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New Google Group
If you are an active member of this metalworking group you may be
interested a newly formed Google Group called Custom Manufacturing. Please visit us and feel free to add to our forum. |
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SourceAuthority.com writes:
If you are an active member of this metalworking group you may be interested a newly formed Google Group called Custom Manufacturing. How does a Google group relate to a Usenet newsgroup? Does Google send the posts through Usenet? Would be nice if they did. What a mess Yahoo has made with their "groups" nonsense, skirting and diverting what should be on Usenet. |
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"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message .. . SourceAuthority.com writes: If you are an active member of this metalworking group you may be interested a newly formed Google Group called Custom Manufacturing. How does a Google group relate to a Usenet newsgroup? Does Google send the posts through Usenet? Would be nice if they did. What a mess Yahoo has made with their "groups" nonsense, skirting and diverting what should be on Usenet. Google groups and Usenet Newsgroups are two different animals. If you are familiar with Yahoo groups, well then, Google groups is similar just hosted by Google instead of Yahoo. Lane |
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Just Me writes:
Google groups and Usenet Newsgroups are two different animals. If you are familiar with Yahoo groups, well then, Google groups is similar just hosted by Google instead of Yahoo. That's too bad. Since http://groups.google.com indexes Usenet, I thought they must somehow be related. |
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Just Me notreal at nowhere dot com wrote:
: Google groups and Usenet Newsgroups are two different animals. If you are : familiar with Yahoo groups, well then, Google groups is similar just hosted : by Google instead of Yahoo. --It's funny but the more these alternatives like Yahoo groups pop up, the more I love usenet. Shell is the "killer app" and the more bells and whistles (and ads!!) folks tack onto it the worse it is to use the web. IMNSHO, heh. -- "Steamboat Ed" Haas : Just another fart in Hacking the Trailing Edge! : the Elevator of Life... http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- |
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steamer wrote:
Just Me notreal at nowhere dot com wrote: : Google groups and Usenet Newsgroups are two different animals. If you are : familiar with Yahoo groups, well then, Google groups is similar just hosted : by Google instead of Yahoo. --It's funny but the more these alternatives like Yahoo groups pop up, the more I love usenet. Shell is the "killer app" and the more bells and whistles (and ads!!) folks tack onto it the worse it is to use the web. IMNSHO, heh. I thought Google groups replaced (bought out) the old DejaNews. If so, they are the same groups as Usenet- or at least all Usenet groups are google groups, but maybe Google creates groups that work through its interface but are not available via Usenet. I had a lot of trouble with my ISPs new server, and used Google groups interface for awhile, but did not like it. I prefer my Thunderbird news reader. I also tried various free or very low cost alternate news servers, never did find anything I like. However, if my ISP's server goes bad again, I will return to Google. I found all my Usenet groups on Google groups. |
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Don Stauffer wrote: steamer wrote: [ ... ] --It's funny but the more these alternatives like Yahoo groups pop up, the more I love usenet. Shell is the "killer app" and the more bells and whistles (and ads!!) folks tack onto it the worse it is to use the web. IMNSHO, heh. I thought Google groups replaced (bought out) the old DejaNews. If so, they are the same groups as Usenet- or at least all Usenet groups are google groups, but maybe Google creates groups that work through its interface but are not available via Usenet. DejaNews was not *part* of usenet, but the (for their own reasons) archived it. Usenet has *no* commercial connections anywhere. Normal usenet reading is with dedicated programs through either the NNRP (Net News Reader Protocol), or by working on the machine which has a news server spool directory on it. There are thousands (or probably by now tens of thousands) of news servers. Some carry all newgroups, others (such as mine) are rather picky -- because I don't have either the bandwidth or the disk space to get a full feed. When I ran a news server for an Army R&D lab's network, we were only able to carry the main eight newsgroup heirarchies, and *absolutely* not anything in alt. (Alt.* is not truly a part of usenet, it just rides along with the distribution network which carries usenet. Usenet *used* to be distributed by unix systems talking to other unix systems via the uucp (Unix to Unix Communications Protocol), via dialup connections. Now, most (perhaps all?) are carried through the internet, using NNTP (Net News Transport Protocol). DejaNews (and later Google) provided a web-based access to usenet news -- at least those articles which don't have an "X-No-Archive: " header set. Unlike usenet spool directories, Google's archives go bac to the beginning of usenet. Usenet spool directories have much shorter expire times -- from as little as a half day (on very busy newsgroups with very large articles -- typically in the alt.binaries.* heirarchies) to whatever the news admin sees fit. I tend to run a 28 day expire on a few newsgroups that I particularly like, and a week or less on most others. For that matter, I run a gateway between one specific usenet newsgroup and a specific YahooGroups mailing list. I had a lot of trouble with my ISPs new server, and used Google groups interface for awhile, but did not like it. I prefer my Thunderbird news reader. I also tried various free or very low cost alternate news servers, never did find anything I like. However, if my ISP's server goes bad again, I will return to Google. I found all my Usenet groups on Google groups. Yes -- as I said, they archive (almost) *everything*. They also provide a posting interface, but it apparently takes a long time for a posted article to make it into Google's own newsreader, let alone to the rest of the world. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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