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small heavy trailer?
I sold my boom truck awhile ago when I realized it just didn't make economic
sense because the insurance costs were eating me alive. Since then, I've been trying to think of a reasonable way to come up with something that can move any of my machines (top weight about 2500#). I have a concept that I want to run by the "design review" board here :-) My idea is to buy a junker 2-horse trailer, rip the body off it and build a bed for it. My reasoning is there are tons of these around, and I do see them occasionally for under $300. They have 2 axles, and many have electric brakes. The frames are usually quite substantial, but the trailers are pretty short. I don't want a long car-hauler type trailer, don't have room for it, plus up here you pay by length when you go on a Washington State ferry boat, so shorter is better. What do you guys think? GWE |
Your biggest hassles will be legal ones. Find out first if (a)
the electric brakes will still satisfy the authorities, (b) if the registration change from "Horse" to "Equipment" will present any problems, and (c) if the insurance company will insure it after it's rebuilt. You don't want to spend time and money building instead of buying if the whole thing is going to be a nightmare. I sure miss the good old days... Dan |
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A horse trailer should make a good starter for what you want. They are
build to haul some heavy, concetrated, and spookable loads. (At least your mill doesn't go nuts when it is placed next to a snake!) You may find that the frame is not as robust as you would think: The body on most of these is quite stiff, adds to the overall strength. Registration should not be an issue: around here these have the designation as "utility trailer", no way to tell what body is on it. The ID marks are on the frame. Many automobile insurance policies cover your vehicle and anything you tow for liability. Check with your agent. Grant Erwin wrote: I sold my boom truck awhile ago when I realized it just didn't make economic sense because the insurance costs were eating me alive. Since then, I've been trying to think of a reasonable way to come up with something that can move any of my machines (top weight about 2500#). I have a concept that I want to run by the "design review" board here :-) My idea is to buy a junker 2-horse trailer, rip the body off it and build a bed for it. My reasoning is there are tons of these around, and I do see them occasionally for under $300. They have 2 axles, and many have electric brakes. The frames are usually quite substantial, but the trailers are pretty short. I don't want a long car-hauler type trailer, don't have room for it, plus up here you pay by length when you go on a Washington State ferry boat, so shorter is better. What do you guys think? GWE |
I just saw what you want today, the guy had 3 hoops made of "I" beam with a
hoist beam down the center, and extending out back about 3 feet. He had a chain fall on it, and was delivering a "Vacuum cleaner/air pump" to a gas station. It was mounted an a small trailer with a counter weight on the front. No reason you couldn't scale it up to move 2500lbs. gary "Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... I sold my boom truck awhile ago when I realized it just didn't make economic sense because the insurance costs were eating me alive. Since then, I've been trying to think of a reasonable way to come up with something that can move any of my machines (top weight about 2500#). I have a concept that I want to He had a chain fall on it, and was delevering a run by the "design review" board here :-) My idea is to buy a junker 2-horse trailer, rip the body off it and build a bed for it. My reasoning is there are tons of these around, and I do see them occasionally for under $300. They have 2 axles, and many have electric brakes. The frames are usually quite substantial, but the trailers are pretty short. I don't want a long car-hauler type trailer, don't have room for it, plus up here you pay by length when you go on a Washington State ferry boat, so shorter is better. What do you guys think? GWE |
I'd like to watch while you bend those I-Beam hoops :)
Sounds interesting though. Chainfall on a trolley, with some sort of stop at the back? - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX Gary Owens wrote: I just saw what you want today, the guy had 3 hoops made of "I" beam with a hoist beam down the center, and extending out back about 3 feet. He had a chain fall on it, and was delivering a "Vacuum cleaner/air pump" to a gas station. It was mounted an a small trailer with a counter weight on the front. No reason you couldn't scale it up to move 2500lbs. gary "Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... I sold my boom truck awhile ago when I realized it just didn't make economic sense because the insurance costs were eating me alive. Since then, I've been trying to think of a reasonable way to come up with something that can move any of my machines (top weight about 2500#). I have a concept that I want to He had a chain fall on it, and was delevering a run by the "design review" board here :-) My idea is to buy a junker 2-horse trailer, rip the body off it and build a bed for it. My reasoning is there are tons of these around, and I do see them occasionally for under $300. They have 2 axles, and many have electric brakes. The frames are usually quite substantial, but the trailers are pretty short. I don't want a long car-hauler type trailer, don't have room for it, plus up here you pay by length when you go on a Washington State ferry boat, so shorter is better. What do you guys think? GWE |
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Rex B wrote:
I'd like to watch while you bend those I-Beam hoops :) Sounds interesting though. Chainfall on a trolley, with some sort of stop at the back? Saw a somewhat similar setup once. About an 18' flatbed type trailer that had several framed "hoops" (not bent, just welded square) supporting an I beam down the middle and out the back a few feet. Small chain hoist on a trolley. The rest of the trailer was outfitted with storage for several large coils of AL stock and a forming rig for seamless gutters. Pete C. |
On Tue, 17 May 2005 10:18:35 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote: I sold my boom truck awhile ago when I realized it just didn't make economic sense because the insurance costs were eating me alive. Since then, I've been trying to think of a reasonable way to come up with something that can move any of my machines (top weight about 2500#). I have a concept that I want to run by the "design review" board here :-) My idea is to buy a junker 2-horse trailer, rip the body off it and build a bed for it. My reasoning is there are tons of these around, and I do see them occasionally for under $300. They have 2 axles, and many have electric brakes. The frames are usually quite substantial, but the trailers are pretty short. I don't want a long car-hauler type trailer, don't have room for it, plus up here you pay by length when you go on a Washington State ferry boat, so shorter is better. What do you guys think? You will have to beef up the frame for this to work. If you go and look at one you will soon see that if you rip the body off all that will be left is some 2 1/2" or 3" leg angle iron for the frame. The main part of the load is taken up by the body on these type trailers. Wayne Cook Shamrock, TX http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook |
On Tue, 17 May 2005 10:18:35 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote: I sold my boom truck awhile ago when I realized it just didn't make economic sense because the insurance costs were eating me alive. Since then, I've been trying to think of a reasonable way to come up with something that can move any of my machines (top weight about 2500#). I have a concept that I want to run by the "design review" board here :-) My idea is to buy a junker 2-horse trailer, rip the body off it and build a bed for it. My reasoning is there are tons of these around, and I do see them occasionally for under $300. They have 2 axles, and many have electric brakes. The frames are usually quite substantial, but the trailers are pretty short. I don't want a long car-hauler type trailer, don't have room for it, plus up here you pay by length when you go on a Washington State ferry boat, so shorter is better. What do you guys think? GWE Dad built one a long time ago for local delivery of levee rollers, about 4500 lb of concrete spool and angle frame. It was short with a very heavy angle frame, pivoting bed, and comealong for winching the roller on and the bed down. The bed locked to the tongue / frame with a very substantial clevis pin. He used an old truck axle and tires for the load. It would be more difficult to load and unload a machine tool, but a piece of cake with a forklift. The back was open. We chained and boomed down the roller once aboard. Pete Keillor |
On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:32:27 -0500, Rex B wrote:
I'd like to watch while you bend those I-Beam hoops :) Sounds interesting though. Chainfall on a trolley, with some sort of stop at the back? - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX Pretty common out here in California for septic tank installers as well as poor boy machine tool movers. I know of one sitting unused right now in Van Nuys California a guy could get fairly cheaply. I think it needs engine work. Shrug. Gunner Gary Owens wrote: I just saw what you want today, the guy had 3 hoops made of "I" beam with a hoist beam down the center, and extending out back about 3 feet. He had a chain fall on it, and was delivering a "Vacuum cleaner/air pump" to a gas station. It was mounted an a small trailer with a counter weight on the front. No reason you couldn't scale it up to move 2500lbs. gary "Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... I sold my boom truck awhile ago when I realized it just didn't make economic sense because the insurance costs were eating me alive. Since then, I've been trying to think of a reasonable way to come up with something that can move any of my machines (top weight about 2500#). I have a concept that I want to He had a chain fall on it, and was delevering a run by the "design review" board here :-) My idea is to buy a junker 2-horse trailer, rip the body off it and build a bed for it. My reasoning is there are tons of these around, and I do see them occasionally for under $300. They have 2 axles, and many have electric brakes. The frames are usually quite substantial, but the trailers are pretty short. I don't want a long car-hauler type trailer, don't have room for it, plus up here you pay by length when you go on a Washington State ferry boat, so shorter is better. What do you guys think? GWE "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:32:27 -0500, the inscrutable Rex B
spake: I'd like to watch while you bend those I-Beam hoops :) Sumpin' like this, no doubt? ;) http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...=1,43456,43407 I agree; that horse trailer idea sounds interesting. ------------------------------------------ Do the voices in my head bother you? ------------------------------------------ http://diversify.com Full-Service Web Development |
Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:32:27 -0500, Rex B wrote: I'd like to watch while you bend those I-Beam hoops :) Sounds interesting though. Chainfall on a trolley, with some sort of stop at the back? - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX Pretty common out here in California for septic tank installers as well as poor boy machine tool movers. I know of one sitting unused right now in Van Nuys California a guy could get fairly cheaply. I think it needs engine work. Shrug. I believe he is looking at trailers since they don't require extra insurance and are cheap on taxes. Pete C. |
Grant Erwin wrote:
I sold my boom truck awhile ago when I realized it just didn't make economic sense because the insurance costs were eating me alive. Since then, I've been trying to think of a reasonable way to come up with something that can move any of my machines (top weight about 2500#). I have a concept that I want to run by the "design review" board here :-) My idea is to buy a junker 2-horse trailer, rip the body off it and build a bed for it. My reasoning is there are tons of these around, and I do see them occasionally for under $300. They have 2 axles, and many have electric brakes. The frames are usually quite substantial, but the trailers are pretty short. I don't want a long car-hauler type trailer, don't have room for it, plus up here you pay by length when you go on a Washington State ferry boat, so shorter is better. What do you guys think? GWE Sounds like a winner to me. On the road means secure loading. Mechanical linkage of frame to axles is important... Martin - thinking of something like that myself. -- Martin Eastburn @ home at Lion's Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Pete C. wrote:
Rex B wrote: I'd like to watch while you bend those I-Beam hoops :) Sounds interesting though. Chainfall on a trolley, with some sort of stop at the back? Saw a somewhat similar setup once. About an 18' flatbed type trailer that had several framed "hoops" (not bent, just welded square) supporting an I beam down the middle and out the back a few feet. Small chain hoist on a trolley. The rest of the trailer was outfitted with storage for several large coils of AL stock and a forming rig for seamless gutters. Pete C. I think the best trailer of a remake type would be a Telephone or Power company trailer. Sometimes these are available during the burning of the troupes in the power company supplier and transmitter transformation. I know a number of PG&E boom trucks that are now in tree service and saw one as an independent telephone/electric installer. Martin -- Martin Eastburn @ home at Lion's Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Larry Jaques wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:32:27 -0500, the inscrutable Rex B spake: I'd like to watch while you bend those I-Beam hoops :) Sumpin' like this, no doubt? ;) http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.a...=1,43456,43407 I agree; that horse trailer idea sounds interesting. ------------------------------------------ Do the voices in my head bother you? ------------------------------------------ http://diversify.com Full-Service Web Development Yea - Gunner could make one on the BIG shaper - then add Hydraulics to it... Or maybe explosion form the beams. :-) Martin -- Martin Eastburn @ home at Lion's Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On Wed, 18 May 2005 02:05:15 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote: Gunner wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:32:27 -0500, Rex B wrote: I'd like to watch while you bend those I-Beam hoops :) Sounds interesting though. Chainfall on a trolley, with some sort of stop at the back? - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX Pretty common out here in California for septic tank installers as well as poor boy machine tool movers. I know of one sitting unused right now in Van Nuys California a guy could get fairly cheaply. I think it needs engine work. Shrug. I believe he is looking at trailers since they don't require extra insurance and are cheap on taxes. Pete C. Cut the cab off, put on a tongue, and you have a trailer Gunner "Considering the events of recent years, the world has a long way to go to regain its credibility and reputation with the US." unknown |
"Grant Erwin" wrote in message
... | I sold my boom truck awhile ago when I realized it just didn't make economic | sense because the insurance costs were eating me alive. Since then, I've been | trying to think of a reasonable way to come up with something that can move | any of my machines (top weight about 2500#). I have a concept that I want to | run by the "design review" board here :-) | | My idea is to buy a junker 2-horse trailer, rip the body off it and build | a bed for it. My reasoning is there are tons of these around, and I do see | them occasionally for under $300. They have 2 axles, and many have electric | brakes. The frames are usually quite substantial, but the trailers are | pretty short. I don't want a long car-hauler type trailer, don't have room | for it, plus up here you pay by length when you go on a Washington State ferry | boat, so shorter is better. | | What do you guys think? | | GWE Grant, have you looked at mobile/manufactured (new term nowadays!) axles? Stout as hell, plentiful as sin, and dirt cheap. 'Lectric brakes, too. Some time after the home is set up, the axles aren't needed, so folks either pull them on the spot or let someone else round them up. Don't know who to call, but someplace that does mobile homes and offices ought to be able to tell you. |
Your state trooper probably told you this, but keep your receipts and
cultivate an acquaintance with someone that can weigh the trailer and give you a statement of its weight. Also check what it will cost for licensing. I have a trailer that I built and got registered, but it is not not licensed. It costs more for a license than for the license of a pickup truck. Dan |
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Piece of cake on equipment like this:
http://www.bendtec.com/cold.html but the BIG stuff goes through the hot bender: http://www.bendtec.com/induct.html The big unit handles 66 INCH diameter, 6 INCH wall. Lets see, 4650 pounds per foot. Rex B wrote: I'd like to watch while you bend those I-Beam hoops :) Sounds interesting though. Chainfall on a trolley, with some sort of stop at the back? - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX Gary Owens wrote: I just saw what you want today, the guy had 3 hoops made of "I" beam with a hoist beam down the center, and extending out back about 3 feet. He had a chain fall on it, and was delivering a "Vacuum cleaner/air pump" to a gas station. It was mounted an a small trailer with a counter weight on the front. No reason you couldn't scale it up to move 2500lbs. gary "Grant Erwin" wrote in message ... I sold my boom truck awhile ago when I realized it just didn't make economic sense because the insurance costs were eating me alive. Since then, I've been trying to think of a reasonable way to come up with something that can move any of my machines (top weight about 2500#). I have a concept that I want to He had a chain fall on it, and was delevering a run by the "design review" board here :-) My idea is to buy a junker 2-horse trailer, rip the body off it and build a bed for it. My reasoning is there are tons of these around, and I do see them occasionally for under $300. They have 2 axles, and many have electric brakes. The frames are usually quite substantial, but the trailers are pretty short. I don't want a long car-hauler type trailer, don't have room for it, plus up here you pay by length when you go on a Washington State ferry boat, so shorter is better. What do you guys think? GWE |
When I had my trailer inspected, the trooper said that if I modified
it so that it changed the weight it would have to be reinspected. So if you had a boat trailer and changed it to a utility trailer, it would be the same as a new built homemade trailer. Ditto horse trailer to utility trailer. When I registered my trailer, I think the license fee was something like $15. But a year ago the renewal came and they wanted something like $40. Not huge but enough to make me wait until I really need to have it licensed. Dan |
On Wed, 18 May 2005 08:56:58 -0700, Grant Erwin
wrote: wrote: Your state trooper probably told you this, but keep your receipts and cultivate an acquaintance with someone that can weigh the trailer and give you a statement of its weight. Also check what it will cost for licensing. I have a trailer that I built and got registered, but it is not not licensed. It costs more for a license than for the license of a pickup truck. Actually, Dan, I'm thinking of buying an actual horse trailer which would have a title and license plate already, one which I could just transfer the title and buy tabs normally without *any* inspections. I don't believe I'd incur any requirement to get it reinspected solely by modifying the trailer's superstructure, either. When Wayne Cook seconded the idea that the body adds a bunch of the strength I started to have second thoughts. For sure you'd get a tongue, two axles with wheels and electric brakes, and a title, tabs and plate, which is not a bad place to start, but if I had to remanufacture the entire frame it would be a bigger job than just cutting off the body and welding on a bed. Are you saying that the tabs for your trailer are more expensive than the tabs for a pickup truck? Grant In California, they are $25 for life. Who would have figured that for The Land of the Fee, Home of the Slave? Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
Here in Texas it's common practice when registering a trailer to just
tell them it's "Shop Built" i.e. home made and save some hassle, VIN recording, and (allegedly) taxes. According to the local sherrif's deputy, that is illegal if it's a factory-built trailer. He said when they come upon a tow rig on the highway, they shadow it long enough to run the tag. If it comes back "Shop-Built" and it's obviously a Wells Cargo or similar, it gets a stop, primarily to see if it's stolen. They actually give them a day-long class and an ID book to identify factory trailers from the various builders. There are also 5 different places that VINs are on a trailer, some known only to law enforcement. Trailer theft is a pretty big business. Speaking of which, what kind of tongue-lock do you put on a trailer with a bulldog coupler? - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX wrote: When I had my trailer inspected, the trooper said that if I modified it so that it changed the weight it would have to be reinspected. So if you had a boat trailer and changed it to a utility trailer, it would be the same as a new built homemade trailer. Ditto horse trailer to utility trailer. When I registered my trailer, I think the license fee was something like $15. But a year ago the renewal came and they wanted something like $40. Not huge but enough to make me wait until I really need to have it licensed. Dan |
"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 May 2005 08:56:58 -0700, Grant Erwin wrote: In California, they are $25 for life. Who would have figured that for The Land of the Fee, Home of the Slave? Gunner Not quite. PTI plates are renewed every 5 years...Paul http://www.dmv.ca.gov/commercial/cvra.htm#pti |
On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:06:51 -0700, "PJ"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 May 2005 08:56:58 -0700, Grant Erwin wrote: In California, they are $25 for life. Who would have figured that for The Land of the Fee, Home of the Slave? Gunner Not quite. PTI plates are renewed every 5 years...Paul http://www.dmv.ca.gov/commercial/cvra.htm#pti No kidding? They lied to me at DMV..which of course is not surprising. I never got a PTI card as stated in the website, just the registration paper. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
"Gunner" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:06:51 -0700, "PJ" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 18 May 2005 08:56:58 -0700, Grant Erwin wrote: In California, they are $25 for life. Who would have figured that for The Land of the Fee, Home of the Slave? Gunner Not quite. PTI plates are renewed every 5 years...Paul http://www.dmv.ca.gov/commercial/cvra.htm#pti No kidding? They lied to me at DMV..which of course is not surprising. I never got a PTI card as stated in the website, just the registration paper. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner in az, it's $15 for life. no renewals. they even dropped the annual fee for sailboats under 20'. since i've never seen a tax go away, could have pushed me over with a feather when i got the notice. |
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