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California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers....
California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers
By Adam Tanner "SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's attorney general introduced pioneering legislation on Tuesday that would require all bullets sold in the nation's most populous state to bear tiny identification numbers. The bill, aimed at helping investigators solve crime, would require ammunition vendors to submit sales records to a state registry starting in 2007. Anyone bringing bullets into the state not bearing the tiny serial number etched by laser could be punished for up to a year in prison. "We are losing too many of our young people to seemingly random shootings and anonymous killers," California Attorney General Bill Lockyer said in a statement. The bill "will strip criminals of their anonymity and give law enforcement evidence it can use to quickly and effectively solve more gun crimes." The legislation -- which could become the first of its kind nationwide -- calls for California to assess fees not to exceed one-half of one cent per bullet to fund the program....." Does this mean that those of you roll their own will have to serial number them, too? :-) Tom The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it. P J O'Rourke |
Tom wrote:
California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers By Adam Tanner "SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's attorney general introduced pioneering legislation on Tuesday that would require all bullets sold in the nation's most populous state to bear tiny identification numbers. The bill, aimed at helping investigators solve crime, would require ammunition vendors to submit sales records to a state registry starting in 2007. Anyone bringing bullets into the state not bearing the tiny serial number etched by laser could be punished for up to a year in prison. "We are losing too many of our young people to seemingly random shootings and anonymous killers," California Attorney General Bill Lockyer said in a statement. The bill "will strip criminals of their anonymity and give law enforcement evidence it can use to quickly and effectively solve more gun crimes." The legislation -- which could become the first of its kind nationwide -- calls for California to assess fees not to exceed one-half of one cent per bullet to fund the program....." Does this mean that those of you roll their own will have to serial number them, too? :-) Tom The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it. P J O'Rourke So all the thugs will make sure to follow that law and make sure they buy serialized bullets? California needs to crack off and sink into the ocean now. |
"Tom" wrote in message ... California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers By Adam Tanner "SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's attorney general introduced pioneering legislation on Tuesday that would require all bullets sold in the nation's most populous state to bear tiny identification numbers. The bill, aimed at helping investigators solve crime, would require ammunition vendors to submit sales records to a state registry starting in 2007. Anyone bringing bullets into the state not bearing the tiny serial number etched by laser could be punished for up to a year in prison. "We are losing too many of our young people to seemingly random shootings and anonymous killers," California Attorney General Bill Lockyer said in a statement. The bill "will strip criminals of their anonymity and give law enforcement evidence it can use to quickly and effectively solve more gun crimes." The legislation -- which could become the first of its kind nationwide -- calls for California to assess fees not to exceed one-half of one cent per bullet to fund the program....." Does this mean that those of you roll their own will have to serial number them, too? :-) Tom The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it. P J O'Rourke Does that mean that all the shot in shotgun shells will have lasered id numbers? Will they all be the same number, or numbered in consecutive series? And will it cost 1/2 cent per pellet? #9 skeet shot would disappear in a hurry!! Regards, JRJ |
Tom wrote:
California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers By Adam Tanner "SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's attorney general introduced pioneering legislation on Tuesday that would require all bullets sold in the nation's most populous state to bear tiny identification numbers. The bill, aimed at helping investigators solve crime, would require ammunition vendors to submit sales records to a state registry starting in 2007. Anyone bringing bullets into the state not bearing the tiny serial number etched by laser could be punished for up to a year in prison. I wonder where on the bullet the serial number would be? Probably wouldn't survive a trip down the barrel without being rubbed off the side, and the powder burn would probably obscure it on the base. That leaves the nose and/or ogive, both of which endure stress when entering the target. And we thought Mayor Daley (Chicago) was f***ed up as a football bat. "We are losing too many of our young people to seemingly random shootings and anonymous killers," California Attorney General Bill Lockyer said in a statement. Seems a natural consequence of outlawing self-defense. The bill "will strip criminals of their anonymity and give law enforcement evidence it can use to quickly and effectively solve more gun crimes." Right. And I still have some oceanfront property for sale in Leadville, Colorado. The legislation -- which could become the first of its kind nationwide -- calls for California to assess fees not to exceed one-half of one cent per bullet to fund the program....." Does this mean that those of you roll their own will have to serial number them, too? :-) Tom The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it. P J O'Rourke |
JRJohnson wrote:
"Tom" wrote in message ... California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers By Adam Tanner "SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's attorney general introduced pioneering legislation on Tuesday that would require all bullets sold in the nation's most populous state to bear tiny identification numbers. The bill, aimed at helping investigators solve crime, would require ammunition vendors to submit sales records to a state registry starting in 2007. Anyone bringing bullets into the state not bearing the tiny serial number etched by laser could be punished for up to a year in prison. "We are losing too many of our young people to seemingly random shootings and anonymous killers," California Attorney General Bill Lockyer said in a statement. The bill "will strip criminals of their anonymity and give law enforcement evidence it can use to quickly and effectively solve more gun crimes." The legislation -- which could become the first of its kind nationwide -- calls for California to assess fees not to exceed one-half of one cent per bullet to fund the program....." Does this mean that those of you roll their own will have to serial number them, too? :-) Tom The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it. P J O'Rourke Does that mean that all the shot in shotgun shells will have lasered id numbers? Will they all be the same number, or numbered in consecutive series? And will it cost 1/2 cent per pellet? #9 skeet shot would disappear in a hurry!! Regards, JRJ Can one presume that shotgun ammo is exempt as shotguns don't fire bullets? Tom The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it. P J O'Rourke |
Yes, and all bullet molds must be serialized and licensed. And all reloading
bullets must be registered when they are brought into the state. And anyone who transfers ammunition must submit a 5 part report. "JRJohnson" wrote in message ... "Tom" wrote in message ... California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers By Adam Tanner "SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's attorney general introduced pioneering legislation on Tuesday that would require all bullets sold in the nation's most populous state to bear tiny identification numbers. The bill, aimed at helping investigators solve crime, would require ammunition vendors to submit sales records to a state registry starting in 2007. Anyone bringing bullets into the state not bearing the tiny serial number etched by laser could be punished for up to a year in prison. "We are losing too many of our young people to seemingly random shootings and anonymous killers," California Attorney General Bill Lockyer said in a statement. The bill "will strip criminals of their anonymity and give law enforcement evidence it can use to quickly and effectively solve more gun crimes." The legislation -- which could become the first of its kind nationwide -- calls for California to assess fees not to exceed one-half of one cent per bullet to fund the program....." Does this mean that those of you roll their own will have to serial number them, too? :-) Tom The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it. P J O'Rourke Does that mean that all the shot in shotgun shells will have lasered id numbers? Will they all be the same number, or numbered in consecutive series? And will it cost 1/2 cent per pellet? #9 skeet shot would disappear in a hurry!! Regards, JRJ |
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Ignoramus21174 wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:06:24 +1200, Tom wrote: Does that mean that all the shot in shotgun shells will have lasered id numbers? Will they all be the same number, or numbered in consecutive series? And will it cost 1/2 cent per pellet? #9 skeet shot would disappear in a hurry!! Regards, JRJ Can one presume that shotgun ammo is exempt as shotguns don't fire bullets? No. The baby killing shotgun pellets that cannot be IDed are only needed for drive by shooters (honest people do not need unidentifiable bullets), and therefore will be banned. Also, the bullets that deform upon impact are designed to skirt the intent of the law and therefore need to be banned. Hmmm... That would be most of 'em... Particularly the most-sold hunting rounds, like .22LR, .30-06, .30-30, and .270, never mind the REALLY "fun" stuff like 7mm Remington Mag, the bajillions of rounds of 7.62, and... Oh, forget it... It'd be a shorter, simpler list to just name bullets that *DON'T* deform on impact. The bullets that retain the ID and do not deform upon impact are the most dangerous kind, armor piercing cop killing bullets, and also need to be banned. Serial-numbered bullets... Sheesh... What stupidity are these ****ing pinheads I keep voting against going to come up with next?!? Maybe it really *IS* time for me to bail out of this nutbar state. I've seen fewer flakes, fruits, and nuts in a bowl of granola. -- Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address. See http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html for full details. |
On 27 Apr 2005 03:34:09 GMT, Ignoramus21174
wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:06:24 +1200, Tom wrote: Does that mean that all the shot in shotgun shells will have lasered id numbers? Will they all be the same number, or numbered in consecutive series? And will it cost 1/2 cent per pellet? #9 skeet shot would disappear in a hurry!! Regards, JRJ Can one presume that shotgun ammo is exempt as shotguns don't fire bullets? No. The baby killing shotgun pellets that cannot be IDed are only needed for drive by shooters (honest people do not need unidentifiable bullets), and therefore will be banned. Also, the bullets that deform upon impact are designed to skirt the intent of the law and therefore need to be banned. The bullets that retain the ID and do not deform upon impact are the most dangerous kind, armor piercing cop killing bullets, and also need to be banned. i You forgot to turn use the sarcasm/on sarcasm/off tokens. Some here would actually believe what you wrote and not spot the conclusion. Gunner Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli |
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 04:55:32 GMT, Don Bruder wrote:
In article , Ignoramus21174 wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:06:24 +1200, Tom wrote: Does that mean that all the shot in shotgun shells will have lasered id numbers? Will they all be the same number, or numbered in consecutive series? And will it cost 1/2 cent per pellet? #9 skeet shot would disappear in a hurry!! Regards, JRJ Can one presume that shotgun ammo is exempt as shotguns don't fire bullets? No. The baby killing shotgun pellets that cannot be IDed are only needed for drive by shooters (honest people do not need unidentifiable bullets), and therefore will be banned. Also, the bullets that deform upon impact are designed to skirt the intent of the law and therefore need to be banned. Hmmm... That would be most of 'em... Particularly the most-sold hunting rounds, like .22LR, .30-06, .30-30, and .270, never mind the REALLY "fun" stuff like 7mm Remington Mag, the bajillions of rounds of 7.62, and... Oh, forget it... It'd be a shorter, simpler list to just name bullets that *DON'T* deform on impact. The bullets that retain the ID and do not deform upon impact are the most dangerous kind, armor piercing cop killing bullets, and also need to be banned. Serial-numbered bullets... Sheesh... What stupidity are these ****ing pinheads I keep voting against going to come up with next?!? Maybe it really *IS* time for me to bail out of this nutbar state. I've seen fewer flakes, fruits, and nuts in a bowl of granola. This also means no more surplus ammo. Unless someone is willing to open spam cans of X39 and pull the bullets, mark em, reseat em and repackage.. Right. Gunner Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli |
On 27 Apr 2005 03:34:09 GMT, the inscrutable Ignoramus21174
spake: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:06:24 +1200, Tom wrote: Does that mean that all the shot in shotgun shells will have lasered id numbers? Will they all be the same number, or numbered in consecutive series? And will it cost 1/2 cent per pellet? #9 skeet shot would disappear in a hurry!! Regards, JRJ Can one presume that shotgun ammo is exempt as shotguns don't fire bullets? No. The baby killing shotgun pellets that cannot be IDed are only needed for drive by shooters (honest people do not need unidentifiable bullets), and therefore will be banned. Also, the bullets that deform upon impact are designed to skirt the intent of the law and therefore need to be banned. The bullets that retain the ID and do not deform upon impact are the most dangerous kind, armor piercing cop killing bullets, and also need to be banned. And with that one post, you entirely lived up to your moniker. P.S: Guns & bullets don't kill people, people do. Fix the criminals. -- Don't forget the 7 P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents ****-Poor Performance ---------------------------------------------------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming |
"Gunner" wrote in message ... On 27 Apr 2005 03:34:09 GMT, Ignoramus21174 wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:06:24 +1200, Tom wrote: Does that mean that all the shot in shotgun shells will have lasered id numbers? Will they all be the same number, or numbered in consecutive series? And will it cost 1/2 cent per pellet? #9 skeet shot would disappear in a hurry!! Regards, JRJ Can one presume that shotgun ammo is exempt as shotguns don't fire bullets? No. The baby killing shotgun pellets that cannot be IDed are only needed for drive by shooters (honest people do not need unidentifiable bullets), and therefore will be banned. Also, the bullets that deform upon impact are designed to skirt the intent of the law and therefore need to be banned. The bullets that retain the ID and do not deform upon impact are the most dangerous kind, armor piercing cop killing bullets, and also need to be banned. i You forgot to turn use the sarcasm/on sarcasm/off tokens. Some here would actually believe what you wrote and not spot the conclusion. Gunner Opposition from the necrophillia lobby will kill the proposal. Best Regards Tom. |
"Tom" wrote in message ... California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers By Adam Tanner "SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's attorney general introduced pioneering legislation on Tuesday that would require all bullets sold in the nation's most populous state to bear tiny identification numbers. The bill, aimed at helping investigators solve crime, would require ammunition vendors to submit sales records to a state registry starting in 2007. Anyone bringing bullets into the state not bearing the tiny serial number etched by laser could be punished for up to a year in prison. "We are losing too many of our young people to seemingly random shootings and anonymous killers," California Attorney General Bill Lockyer said in a statement. The bill "will strip criminals of their anonymity and give law enforcement evidence it can use to quickly and effectively solve more gun crimes." The legislation -- which could become the first of its kind nationwide -- calls for California to assess fees not to exceed one-half of one cent per bullet to fund the program....." Does this mean that those of you roll their own will have to serial number them, too? :-) Tom The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it. P J O'Rourke I have the answer for ALL gun related issues! In order to buy ammo, a person must answer three questions: 1. Who is your congressman? 2. Measure a line on a paper to the nearest 1/32" with a tape measure. 3. Name three states and their capitals. I'll bet anything that not one murder took place by a person that could answer those questions! As far as reloading, I'd also bet that no murders have been committed by reloaders...and if murders were committed under those circumstances then those people probably deserved it. |
On 27 Apr 2005 14:36:57 GMT, the inscrutable Ignoramus2977
spake: On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 06:25:43 -0700, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote: On 27 Apr 2005 03:34:09 GMT, the inscrutable Ignoramus21174 spake: The bullets that retain the ID and do not deform upon impact are the most dangerous kind, armor piercing cop killing bullets, and also need to be banned. And with that one post, you entirely lived up to your moniker. That was sarcasm... I am, in fact, a member of the NRA. OK. As Gunner said, perhaps you should have put a sarcasm disclaimer on it. -- Don't forget the 7 P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents ****-Poor Performance ---------------------------------------------------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming |
kind, armor piercing cop killing bullets, and also need
to be banned. Serial-numbered bullets... Sheesh... What stupidity are these ****ing pinheads I keep voting against going to come up with next?!? Maybe it really *IS* time for me to bail out of this nutbar state. I've seen fewer flakes, fruits, and nuts in a bowl of granola. This also means no more surplus ammo. Unless someone is willing to open spam cans of X39 and pull the bullets, mark em, reseat em and repackage.. I can see the help wanted ad now, ...good eyesight, bring own sharpie.... One wonders why this idea got out of his head, or past his handlers. , One wonders who this person surrounds themselves with that nobody laughed out loud in the meeting. I remember reading about putting some type of micro tags in explosives [or potential explosives]to track it by lot for things like Oklahoma City. Seemed non intrusive, but haven't heard about it since. If tracking bullets used in crimes is a priority, the way to do it is to go to the ammo company, say 'how can we do this'. Odds are they would come up with a viable solution, fearing lunacy like this. I believe in gun control, but when you see this kind of stupidity, you understand why the NRA is the NRA.... |
yourname wrote: kind, armor piercing cop killing bullets, and also need to be banned. Serial-numbered bullets... Sheesh... What stupidity are these ****ing pinheads I keep voting against going to come up with next?!? Maybe it really *IS* time for me to bail out of this nutbar state. I've seen fewer flakes, fruits, and nuts in a bowl of granola. This also means no more surplus ammo. Unless someone is willing to open spam cans of X39 and pull the bullets, mark em, reseat em and repackage.. I can see the help wanted ad now, ...good eyesight, bring own sharpie.... One wonders why this idea got out of his head, or past his handlers. , One wonders who this person surrounds themselves with that nobody laughed out loud in the meeting. I remember reading about putting some type of micro tags in explosives [or potential explosives]to track it by lot for things like Oklahoma City. Seemed non intrusive, but haven't heard about it since. If tracking bullets used in crimes is a priority, the way to do it is to go to the ammo company, say 'how can we do this'. Odds are they would come up with a viable solution, fearing lunacy like this. I believe in gun control, but when you see this kind of stupidity, you understand why the NRA is the NRA.... Maybe it would work...just think of all the bad guys who would end up shootin themselves as they try to file the serial numbers off their bullets :) Is curious though that the same conservative groups that appear (and no, it's not all of em) to support national ID cards, wire taps without court orders, and so much of the other BS to track terrorist crimes draws the line at tracking their ammo. I guess as long as it's someone else who has to have rights violated, it's perfectly ok. Meanwhile, the borders leak like a sieve. Koz |
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Koz wrote: Is curious though that the same conservative groups that appear (and no, it's not all of em) to support national ID cards, wire taps without court orders, and so much of the other BS to track terrorist crimes draws the line at tracking their ammo. I guess as long as it's someone else who has to have rights violated, it's perfectly ok. So it would seem... (And I'm STILL trying to figure out the difference between "conservative" and "liberal". I oppose *ALL* the items you mention above, yet I keep seeing people calling me conservative.) Meanwhile, the borders leak like a sieve. The what leak like a who? Ummm... Pardon my ignorance, but what borders? You'd have a hard time convincing me that we actually HAVE any, seeing as how the illegals seem to come and go pretty much at will. A couple of checkpoints here and there, sure, but BORDERS? As in "a physical or otherwise boundary that nobody is supposed to cross in the "inbound" direction"? HA! It is to laugh... The USA hasn't had one of those in... Well, now that I think of it, I don't think we've *EVER* had an actual border. A few lines that essentially say "Now leaving USA/Now Entering Canada/Mexico", but never have we maintained a "border" in the sense of an actual "DO NOT CROSS UNDER PENALTY OF LAW" dividing line between here and there that was anything more than symbolic. This is something that needs to change, and change IMMEDIATELY. -- Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address. See http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html for full details. |
"Tom" wrote in message
... California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers By Adam Tanner "SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's attorney general introduced pioneering legislation on Tuesday that would require all bullets sold in the nation's most populous state to bear tiny identification numbers. The bill, aimed at helping investigators solve crime ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ B.S.!!! This bill is aimed at circumventing the Second Amendment and disarming law-abiding citizens. - Michael |
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:20:10 GMT, "DeepDiver"
wrote: "Tom" wrote in message ... California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers By Adam Tanner "SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's attorney general introduced pioneering legislation on Tuesday that would require all bullets sold in the nation's most populous state to bear tiny identification numbers. The bill, aimed at helping investigators solve crime ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ B.S.!!! This bill is aimed at circumventing the Second Amendment and disarming law-abiding citizens. - Michael Yes indeed. When you make regulations so onerous that they cannot be met, it is a de facto ban. Gunner Liberals - Cosmopolitan critics, men who are the friends of every country save their own. Benjamin Disraeli |
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:59:12 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner
spake: On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:20:10 GMT, "DeepDiver" wrote: "Tom" wrote in message ... California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers By Adam Tanner "SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's attorney general introduced pioneering legislation on Tuesday that would require all bullets sold in the nation's most populous state to bear tiny identification numbers. The bill, aimed at helping investigators solve crime ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ B.S.!!! This bill is aimed at circumventing the Second Amendment and disarming law-abiding citizens. - Michael Yes indeed. When you make regulations so onerous that they cannot be met, it is a de facto ban. Here in Oregon, we have two bills coming up which would limit law abiding gun owners. From the JCSA Sporter Vol. 05-04: --snip-- SB 335 would allow local school districts to gut the state firearms peemption law and ban the possession of all firearms by Concealed Handgun Licensees for any reason on school property, or where any school-sponsored event is taking place. SB 954 is a gun-tax bill, which aims to make up shortfalls in parts of the state budted on the backs of law abiding gun owners. It increases the fees for fingerprinting a Concealed Handgun License applicant (from $15 to $22) and for transferring a firearm under Oregon's instant-check system (from $10 to $25). Please contact your State Senators and urge them to oppose SB 335 and SB 954. --snip-- You can bet I will. -- Don't forget the 7 P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents ****-Poor Performance ---------------------------------------------------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming |
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:59:12 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner spake: On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:20:10 GMT, "DeepDiver" wrote: "Tom" wrote in message ... California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers By Adam Tanner "SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's attorney general introduced pioneering legislation on Tuesday that would require all bullets sold in the nation's most populous state to bear tiny identification numbers. The bill, aimed at helping investigators solve crime ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ B.S.!!! This bill is aimed at circumventing the Second Amendment and disarming law-abiding citizens. - Michael Yes indeed. When you make regulations so onerous that they cannot be met, it is a de facto ban. Here in Oregon, we have two bills coming up which would limit law abiding gun owners. From the JCSA Sporter Vol. 05-04: --snip-- SB 335 would allow local school districts to gut the state firearms peemption law and ban the possession of all firearms by Concealed Handgun Licensees for any reason on school property, or where any school-sponsored event is taking place. SB 954 is a gun-tax bill, which aims to make up shortfalls in parts of the state budted on the backs of law abiding gun owners. It increases the fees for fingerprinting a Concealed Handgun License applicant (from $15 to $22) and for transferring a firearm under Oregon's instant-check system (from $10 to $25). Please contact your State Senators and urge them to oppose SB 335 and SB 954. --snip-- You can bet I will. -- Don't forget the 7 P's: Proper Prior Planning Prevents ****-Poor Performance ---------------------------------------------------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming i can't find a link to the original story at reuters.com. can anyone verify this isn't a troll? |
In article , Larry Jaques says...
SB 954 is a gun-tax bill, which aims to make up shortfalls in parts of the state budted on the backs of law abiding gun owners. It increases the fees for fingerprinting a Concealed Handgun License applicant (from $15 to $22) and for transferring a firearm under Oregon's instant-check system (from $10 to $25). Please contact your State Senators and urge them to oppose SB 335 and SB 954. The republicans are simply trying to raise your taxes just like they raise all the other taxes. This should come as no suprise. Somebody has to pay for the war in iraq. We're all just going to have to get over this and get on with life. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
jim rozen wrote:
In article , Larry Jaques says... SB 954 is a gun-tax bill, which aims to make up shortfalls in parts of the state budted on the backs of law abiding gun owners. It increases the fees for fingerprinting a Concealed Handgun License applicant (from $15 to $22) and for transferring a firearm under Oregon's instant-check system (from $10 to $25). Please contact your State Senators and urge them to oppose SB 335 and SB 954. The republicans are simply trying to raise your taxes just like they raise all the other taxes. This should come as no suprise. Somebody has to pay for the war in iraq. We're all just going to have to get over this and get on with life. Jim Knee jerk much? First off, individual state taxes don't go for that, it is federal. Second, the bill is actually a current bill as per the Oregon State website, and is sponsored by the judiciary committee, who's members a Sen. Ginny Burdick, Chair D Sen. Charles Starr, Vice-Chair R Sen. Roger Beyer R Sen. Floyd Prozanski D Sen. Charlie Ringo D Sen. Vicki Walker D Sen. Doug Whitsett R Notice a 4 to 3 leaning in the Democratic party membership? |
In article , Todd Rich says...
Notice a 4 to 3 leaning in the Democratic party membership? Those are the sponsors. *All* of them vote on the bill. Post up who votes, and how they vote. Then we'll talk. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
jim rozen wrote:
In article , Todd Rich says... Notice a 4 to 3 leaning in the Democratic party membership? Those are the sponsors. *All* of them vote on the bill. Post up who votes, and how they vote. Then we'll talk. Jim Well a cursory search reveals that the committee chair introduced the bill and she is a Dem. Given that you couldn't even figure out that states don't fund the federal military, that is the last of the free research. If you really want to know the vote, my rate for research is $45/hr. It shouldn't take long, but my minimum is 2 hours, and I won't start until the check clears. -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:46:02 -0700, the inscrutable "Charles Spitzer"
spake: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:59:12 GMT, the inscrutable Gunner spake: On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:20:10 GMT, "DeepDiver" wrote: "Tom" wrote in message ... California proposes requiring bullet ID numbers By Adam Tanner "SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's attorney general introduced pioneering legislation on Tuesday that would require all bullets sold in the nation's most populous state to bear tiny identification numbers. Here in Oregon, we have two bills coming up which would limit law abiding gun owners. From the JCSA Sporter Vol. 05-04: --snip-- SB 335 would allow local school districts to gut the state firearms peemption law and ban the possession of all firearms by Concealed Handgun Licensees for any reason on school property, or where any school-sponsored event is taking place. SB 954 is a gun-tax bill, which aims to make up shortfalls in parts of the state budted on the backs of law abiding gun owners. It increases the fees for fingerprinting a Concealed Handgun License applicant (from $15 to $22) and for transferring a firearm under Oregon's instant-check system (from $10 to $25). Please contact your State Senators and urge them to oppose SB 335 and SB 954. --snip-- You can bet I will. i can't find a link to the original story at reuters.com. can anyone verify this isn't a troll? Which one, Oregon's or California's? http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/news/042605_nw_bullets.html bullets http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...n175406D48.DTL http://www.leg.state.or.us/browna/ne...er01_28_05.pdf SB 335 - Every day above ground is a Good Day(tm). ----------- http://diversify.com Website Application Programming |
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jim rozen wrote: In article , Larry Jaques says... SB 954 is a gun-tax bill, which aims to make up shortfalls in parts of the state budted on the backs of law abiding gun owners. It increases the fees for fingerprinting a Concealed Handgun License applicant (from $15 to $22) and for transferring a firearm under Oregon's instant-check system (from $10 to $25). Please contact your State Senators and urge them to oppose SB 335 and SB 954. The republicans are simply trying to raise your taxes just like they raise all the other taxes. This should come as no suprise. Somebody has to pay for the war in iraq. We're all just going to have to get over this and get on with life. Jim No, Jim, we're going to have to step up, draw our own "line in the sand", and say ***** YOU! NO MORE!* in a manner that will tell the politicians that they're going to have no option but to fund the war out of their own pockets, since nobody but them wants it. Your method is indistinguishable from laying down and dying. -- Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address. See http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html for full details. |
In article , Don Bruder says...
No, Jim, we're going to have to step up, draw our own "line in the sand", and say ***** YOU! NO MORE!* in a manner that will tell the politicians that they're going to have no option but to fund the war out of their own pockets, since nobody but them wants it. OK. Now we're getting somewhere. The point is, every time somebody raises taxes, it isn't a plot to take the second amendment out of the constitution. And that one has to be very circumspect about the ideology. Republicans control the house, senate, and executive branches at the moment. How come taxes keep going *up* then? Hint: they want your money too. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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