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What is a lath good for
I found a 36 inch used metal lathe for sale for 350. What would this be
good for? I like working with metal. I have a couple of welders and am wanting to increase my tools in my garage! |
Ignoramus16317 wrote:
Some things you can do with lathes are, making various conical shapes, making threads, drilling holes along the axis of rotation, etc. i IIRC I've heard more than once that, "The lathe is the only (common) machine tool which can reproduce itself." - With a little help from a human..... Given that you can turn, drill and mill with a lathe and some proper attachments, I suppose that's true for the machining steps. Though I wonder if say a 36" lathe would have enough capacity to handle the parts needed to make another 36" lathe or whether you could only make a smaller size lathe on it. Sort of like most living things, except that baby lathes don't get larger as they grow older, huh? G Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" |
Ignoramus16317 wrote:
Some things you can do with lathes are, making various conical shapes, making threads, drilling holes along the axis of rotation, etc. i IIRC I've heard more than once that, "The lathe is the only (common) machine tool which can reproduce itself." - With a little help from a human..... Given that you can turn, drill and mill with a lathe and some proper attachments, I suppose that's true for the machining steps. Though I wonder if say a 36" lathe would have enough capacity to handle the parts needed to make another 36" lathe or whether you could only make a smaller size lathe on it. Sort of like most living things, except that baby lathes don't get larger as they grow older, huh? G Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" |
How do you drill with a lathe?
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I found a 36 inch used metal lathe for sale for 350. What would this be good for? I like working with metal. [...] Making round things, with or without threads. Some people make fittings, steam engines, brass cannons, telescope/camera adapters... |
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Can you "mill out" with a lathe? Like make a rectangle hole bigger in a
pto yoke? |
Another simple project that can only be done on a lathe. I recently
repaired the sintered iron bushings in the front wheels of an old riding lawn mower. First I removed the iron bushings and usin the lathe, bored out the inside to exactly 1" diameter. Then turned brass rod to 1" diameter. I cut off pieces of this rod to the length of the bushing and pressed them into the iron bushings. Then using the lathe again, drilled the brass in the bushings and then bored them to exactly 3/4" to fit the mower axel. Took about 4 hours per side, 8 bushings total, done over two Saturdays and all the wheel wobbeling is gone. Keep the lathe, buy lots of tooling. Find lots of scrap metal and go to work! Paul |
Similarly, my project for the weekend is repairing the blower motor for
the outside unit on my heat pump. It's a fairly unique GE 1/2 HP, which would cost about $125 to replace. Only thing wrong is the drive-end bearing is barking. I took the aluminum endplates off last night to see if the bearings were replaceable. Turns out the bearings are part of the aluminum endplate, bored out to the 1/2" shaft size. I am going to bore the hole furter and press in 1/2" bronze or oilite bearings. I'd use sealed ball bearings, but I don't think there is enough meat in the casting to support them. But that's one thing a lathe will be useful for. - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX wrote: Another simple project that can only be done on a lathe. I recently repaired the sintered iron bushings in the front wheels of an old riding lawn mower. First I removed the iron bushings and usin the lathe, bored out the inside to exactly 1" diameter. Then turned brass rod to 1" diameter. I cut off pieces of this rod to the length of the bushing and pressed them into the iron bushings. Then using the lathe again, drilled the brass in the bushings and then bored them to exactly 3/4" to fit the mower axel. Took about 4 hours per side, 8 bushings total, done over two Saturdays and all the wheel wobbeling is gone. Keep the lathe, buy lots of tooling. Find lots of scrap metal and go to work! Paul |
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On 22 Apr 2005 07:12:37 -0700, Dave wrote:
wrote: I found a 36 inch used metal lathe for sale for 350. What would this be good for? I like working with metal. [...] Making round things, with or without threads. Some people make fittings, steam engines, brass cannons, telescope/camera adapters... Camera adapter plates for medium and large format cameras. I think my machines have been used more for that in the last year, than for anything else. Having a friend who is a semi-pro photographer, and who knows lots of people, probably has something to do with that. It's fiddly, one-off, very occasional work, which is the sort of thing I like. Want one or two? No problem. Want a couple dozen? I know a guy with a shop, here's his card... |
Holding a concrete pad down!
Seriously tho, check the lathe out for wear and operability. If it is even a moderately well worn lathe, it will be a valuable item for your home shop. If you're in the Southern Calif. area, I'd love to come over and do some work on lens cells for my telescopes as well as eventually doing some mounts for those telescopes. A 36" swing lathe can handle the large parts that need to be swung without any problems. I'd also put a 1 HP. 115V motor on the lathe so that you can use it without needing 3ph. power although that will mean that you can't take the big cuts that the original motor would be able to do. -- Why isn't there an Ozone Hole at the NORTH Pole? |
On 22 Apr 2005 18:11:59 GMT, Ignoramus16317 wrote:
I bought a relatively expensive oscilloscope recently, relatively cheaply, because it had a knob broken. Otherwise it works fine. I am going to make a replacement knob, maybe from wood, on my lathe. Hopefully this weekend. It will glue nicely on the knob stem. Got a picture of the knob you want? I have a bin of 'em... |
Stryped sez:
"What is a lath good for?" A lath is a thin narrow strip of wood useful for building lattices or holding plaster to walls. Bob Swinney wrote in message oups.com... I found a 36 inch used metal lathe for sale for 350. What would this be good for? I like working with metal. I have a couple of welders and am wanting to increase my tools in my garage! |
With the right tool attachments and a little ingenuity, there is little you
CAN'T do on a lathe. As for your specific question a little more detail is required. If you want to mill a rectangular hole with rounded corners, then yes, with the proper tooling attachment sit might be done on a lathe (it might be better done on a mill). If you want a retangular hole with square corners, then I can't think of any rotating machine that will do the job. You will need a broach or punch. For shaping metal the three fundamental machines seem to be the lathe, the mill, and the bandsaw. wrote in message ups.com... Can you "mill out" with a lathe? Like make a rectangle hole bigger in a pto yoke? |
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"bart" wrote in message ... They're excellent for making little metal bits& spirals that get stuck in the carpet in the house . Your wife will comment on the new toy often! Make sure you're wearing large tread boots for the bit transferral, bare feet don't work as well (and you'd also have to invest in an optivisor and fine tweezers to remove the bits from your feet) ;-) That's what air compressors are for. I use mine more for cleaning my shoes than anything else. Bob |
Well if you have a bunch more lath's you can naial em on the studs and
plaster over them like they used to do in old days before sheetrock and gypsum board was invented.......Or you can nail em on your roof rafters and then install slate or cedar shingles on them...... ============================================== Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked! |
Dave Hinz wrote:
On 22 Apr 2005 07:06:08 -0700, wrote: How do you drill with a lathe? I do that by holding the drill bit in the tail piece, (either a chuck with the right taper, or a drillbit with the right taper), and the piece being drilled in the chuck (or held to a faceplate, I suppose). Works very well for then tapping that hole, to make sure it's exactly aligned with the hole you just drilled. Look at it this way - lots of metalworking is done by rotating one thing while another thing is held still. Either the tool rotates, or the work rotates. It doesn't matter which is moving, it's just the relative movement between the two that makes it work. Figure out how to hold the tool, figure out how to hold the work, and make some chips. I've seen pictures of accessories I think are called "tailstock drill pads" which look like round disks a bit smaller than the swing of the lathe with a tapered spindle on them to fit in the tailstock ram. You'd put a drill bit in the headstock chuck or a collet and hand hold or clamp the part to be drilled against that tailstock pad, then use the tailstock crank to feed it into the drill. I think the idea was that it could be more convenient than trying to secure an odd shaped part to a headstock faceplate and you could also drill holes in long narrow pieces which couldn't be rotated on the faceplate. Seemed like it might be a little risky to hand hold a part, but then who here hasn't hand held parts on a drill press table plenty of times when drilling small holes? Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public schools" |
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Dave Hinz wrote: On 22 Apr 2005 07:06:08 -0700, wrote: How do you drill with a lathe? I do that by holding the drill bit in the tail piece, (either a chuck with the right taper, or a drillbit with the right taper), and the piece being drilled in the chuck (or held to a faceplate, I suppose). Works very well for then tapping that hole, to make sure it's exactly aligned with the hole you just drilled. You can also put the chuck (with a Morse taper adaptor sleeve) into the headstock, and put the workpiece between the drill bit and a drilling pad in the tailstock. There are even drilling pads with a V groove to help you to drill straight through the side of a cylindrical workpiece. IIRC, they are called a "drill crotch". This works when what you are drilling is too long in a radial distance from the center of the hole to be to mount it in a 4-jaw chuck or on a faceplate. Look at it this way - lots of metalworking is done by rotating one thing while another thing is held still. Either the tool rotates, or the work rotates. It doesn't matter which is moving, it's just the relative movement between the two that makes it work. Figure out how to hold the tool, figure out how to hold the work, and make some chips. Indeed so. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
you insert a drill bit into the tailstock and push the drill into a rotating part that you are drilling. Speaking of which...I finally ordered (and received) an Albrecht MT2 integral shank tailstock chuck for my SB 10L. Oh...it's nice. I already have an R8 shank Albrecht for my mill. Now I'm wondering why I bought the integral shank models? $400 invested, could have been $200 +change. I guess I'll justify it by emphasizing the shorter setup times when I'm using both machines. |
wrote in message oups.com... I found a 36 inch used metal lathe for sale for 350. What would this be good for? I like working with metal. I have a couple of welders and am wanting to increase my tools in my garage! Lath is used for holding on plaster. |
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:12:00 -0700, "Bob May"
wrote: Holding a concrete pad down! Seriously tho, check the lathe out for wear and operability. If it is even a moderately well worn lathe, it will be a valuable item for your home shop. If you're in the Southern Calif. area, I'd love to come over and do some work on lens cells for my telescopes as well as eventually doing some mounts for those telescopes. A 36" swing lathe can handle the large parts that need to be swung without any problems. I'd also put a 1 HP. 115V motor on the lathe so that you can use it without needing 3ph. power although that will mean that you can't take the big cuts that the original motor would be able to do. So. Cal? Need shop time? Come on over to Taft most any weekend and Ill let you have free run of my shop http://home.lightspeed.net/~gunner/myshop Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
In article , Gunner says...
http://home.lightspeed.net/~gunner/myshop Nice updated shop photos. Especially the Gorton 016. What happened to your toe, the cats chew on it? g Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
On 23 Apr 2005 09:21:34 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... http://home.lightspeed.net/~gunner/myshop Nice updated shop photos. Especially the Gorton 016. What happened to your toe, the cats chew on it? g Jim Sigh...it still hurts to think about it. When they say you cannot remember pain..take it with a grain of salt. My son and I were moving my hydraulic press. It was dark in that area at night, we were in a hurry, and he missed removing one of the 1" thick, 6x8" press plates which was sitting on the press. It slipped off. Nailed me on the diagonal across the end of the foot. Busted 3 of the 5 toes. Fortunately, it didn't land on the right foot, else it would have busted 3 of the 6 toes. G Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
In article , Gunner says...
My son and I were moving my hydraulic press. It was dark in that area at night, we were in a hurry, and he missed removing one of the 1" thick, 6x8" press plates which was sitting on the press. It slipped off. Nailed me on the diagonal across the end of the foot. Busted 3 of the 5 toes. Fortunately, it didn't land on the right foot, else it would have busted 3 of the 6 toes. I guess it could have been worse, if it had landed on the instep it could have done much worse damage. Ever considered steel-toed flip-flops? Just out of curiosity, what's kind of tooling does that smaller Gorton mill take in the spindle - B&S or MT? Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
On 23 Apr 2005 13:49:23 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... My son and I were moving my hydraulic press. It was dark in that area at night, we were in a hurry, and he missed removing one of the 1" thick, 6x8" press plates which was sitting on the press. It slipped off. Nailed me on the diagonal across the end of the foot. Busted 3 of the 5 toes. Fortunately, it didn't land on the right foot, else it would have busted 3 of the 6 toes. I guess it could have been worse, if it had landed on the instep it could have done much worse damage. Ever considered steel-toed flip-flops? I was wearing my normal Redwing boots. Just out of curiosity, what's kind of tooling does that smaller Gorton mill take in the spindle - B&S or MT? Jim Neither...it takes Gorton collets. A rather interesting holder with a triangular ass end. Similar to a 4C in size, but only going up to 1/2" in diameter. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
On 23 Apr 2005 22:23:01 GMT, Ignoramus31514
wrote: Scary stuff. i Ever feel pain so bad that when you open your mouth..no sound comes out, and all you can do is inhale? Gunner On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:38:31 GMT, Gunner wrote: On 23 Apr 2005 09:21:34 -0700, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... http://home.lightspeed.net/~gunner/myshop Nice updated shop photos. Especially the Gorton 016. What happened to your toe, the cats chew on it? g Jim Sigh...it still hurts to think about it. When they say you cannot remember pain..take it with a grain of salt. My son and I were moving my hydraulic press. It was dark in that area at night, we were in a hurry, and he missed removing one of the 1" thick, 6x8" press plates which was sitting on the press. It slipped off. Nailed me on the diagonal across the end of the foot. Busted 3 of the 5 toes. Fortunately, it didn't land on the right foot, else it would have busted 3 of the 6 toes. G Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
In article , Gunner says...
I guess it could have been worse, if it had landed on the instep it could have done much worse damage. Ever considered steel-toed flip-flops? I was wearing my normal Redwing boots. Hmm. They do make steeltoe ones - possibly the only steeltoe boots I care to wear. Just out of curiosity, what's kind of tooling does that smaller Gorton mill take in the spindle - B&S or MT? Neither...it takes Gorton collets. A rather interesting holder with a triangular ass end. Similar to a 4C in size, but only going up to 1/2" in diameter. Ah - no drawbar, they're held in with a clamping nut on the end of the spindle? Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
On 23 Apr 2005 18:37:31 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... I guess it could have been worse, if it had landed on the instep it could have done much worse damage. Ever considered steel-toed flip-flops? I was wearing my normal Redwing boots. Hmm. They do make steeltoe ones - possibly the only steeltoe boots I care to wear. Just out of curiosity, what's kind of tooling does that smaller Gorton mill take in the spindle - B&S or MT? Neither...it takes Gorton collets. A rather interesting holder with a triangular ass end. Similar to a 4C in size, but only going up to 1/2" in diameter. Ah - no drawbar, they're held in with a clamping nut on the end of the spindle? Jim Nope..actually there is a draw bar. Its an odd system. But one that will never spin in the spindle. Not that its likely you could get it to happen anyways... Its a hell of a heavy machine. Id have to say nearly as heavy as a BP..big chunk of cast iron. Rigid as hell. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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Gunner wrote: On 23 Apr 2005 22:23:01 GMT, Ignoramus31514 wrote: Scary stuff. i Ever feel pain so bad that when you open your mouth..no sound comes out, and all you can do is inhale? Gunner Heh, I was in the hospital last week for such a pain. I pinched something right next to my spine--probably a piece of ligament--and it swelled up. For about the first four hours it was terrible, but I could move if I had to. Then it swelled enough (I saw x-rays of this feat later) that it kinked my spine and dislocated two ribs. That hurt so much I couldn't make any sounds other than incoherent yelling. Then the spasms started. That kink pushing nerves plus all the pain robbed me of muscle control and I wound up folding backwards and locking up for several minutes at a time. Like that girl did in the exorcist. Anyway, when that happened I couldn't make any sounds because of the pain. Funny thing about all that was that some Ibuprofen early-on would have prevented 99% of that pain. Back injury: serious business. -- B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net http://web2.airmail.net/thegoat4/ |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:06:15 -0500, "B.B."
u wrote: In article , Gunner wrote: On 23 Apr 2005 22:23:01 GMT, Ignoramus31514 wrote: Scary stuff. i Ever feel pain so bad that when you open your mouth..no sound comes out, and all you can do is inhale? Gunner Heh, I was in the hospital last week for such a pain. I pinched something right next to my spine--probably a piece of ligament--and it swelled up. For about the first four hours it was terrible, but I could move if I had to. Then it swelled enough (I saw x-rays of this feat later) that it kinked my spine and dislocated two ribs. That hurt so much I couldn't make any sounds other than incoherent yelling. Then the spasms started. That kink pushing nerves plus all the pain robbed me of muscle control and I wound up folding backwards and locking up for several minutes at a time. Like that girl did in the exorcist. Anyway, when that happened I couldn't make any sounds because of the pain. Funny thing about all that was that some Ibuprofen early-on would have prevented 99% of that pain. Back injury: serious business. Indeed. Gunner, two back surgeries and hoping there will be no third. "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
Gunner wrote:
On 23 Apr 2005 13:49:23 -0700, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... My son and I were moving my hydraulic press. It was dark in that area at night, we were in a hurry, and he missed removing one of the 1" thick, 6x8" press plates which was sitting on the press. It slipped off. Nailed me on the diagonal across the end of the foot. Busted 3 of the 5 toes. Fortunately, it didn't land on the right foot, else it would have busted 3 of the 6 toes. I guess it could have been worse, if it had landed on the instep it could have done much worse damage. Ever considered steel-toed flip-flops? I was wearing my normal Redwing boots. Just out of curiosity, what's kind of tooling does that smaller Gorton mill take in the spindle - B&S or MT? Jim Neither...it takes Gorton collets. A rather interesting holder with a triangular ass end. Similar to a 4C in size, but only going up to 1/2" in diameter. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke I had (past tense) a pair of those foundry boots with the metacarpal (?) plate. My wife found them and tossed them because they were so ugly. I don't know where to get a pair of them so now I'm doing something that's really stupid: I'm wearing Reeboks in the shop. Those old boots really saved me once. I had a Kurt Vise with the rotary base sitting on a table. I needed to put the vise on the mill, so I just sort of slid the vise off the table to carry it. The base wasn't bolted to the vise so it just fell off and landed squarely on top of my right foot with me still standing there holding the vise. I'm sure that base must weigh well over 30 Lbs. When dropped from 3 feet it could have caused crippling damage. As it was it just ripped the leather off the boot and I felt nothing. They might be ugly and you might not want to be seen in public wearing them but they sure are a good idea for a shop. Gotta find another pair... |
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:49:14 GMT, bart wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:29:07 GMT, Gunner wrote: snip So. Cal? Need shop time? Come on over to Taft most any weekend and Ill let you have free run of my shop http://home.lightspeed.net/~gunner/myshop Gunner Nice toy collection! :-) Done the foot thing myself ( x-rayed it myself too) Hey is that a Border Collie or an Aussie with a tail? ( looks kinda like mine!) ;-) Aussie. We dont bob their tails here in the Central Valley. Offer stands. Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
DoN. Nichols wrote: You can also put the chuck (with a Morse taper adaptor sleeve) into the headstock, and put the workpiece between the drill bit and a drilling pad in the tailstock. There are even drilling pads with a V groove to help you to drill straight through the side of a cylindrical workpiece. IIRC, they are called a "drill crotch". Crotch Center |
Make SQUARE things too. It oftens comes as a real shock to
non-metalworkers that you can TURN a perfect CUBE on a lathe -- as long as you've got a four-jaw on it. - Carl "Dave" wrote in message ps.com... wrote: I found a 36 inch used metal lathe for sale for 350. What would this be good for? I like working with metal. [...] Making round things, with or without threads. Some people make fittings, steam engines, brass cannons, telescope/camera adapters... |
Now that is something I would not think of, since what you are really
saying is that you can make flat surfaces. If you are making a flat surface how do you decide whether to use the lathe or the mill? Carl Hoffmeyer wrote: Make SQUARE things too. It oftens comes as a real shock to non-metalworkers that you can TURN a perfect CUBE on a lathe -- as long as you've got a four-jaw on it. - Carl "Dave" wrote: wrote: I found a 36 inch used metal lathe for sale for 350. What would this be good for? I like working with metal. [...] Making round things, with or without threads. Some people make fittings, steam engines, brass cannons, telescope/camera adapters... |
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"Dave" wrote in message oups.com... Now that is something I would not think of, since what you are really saying is that you can make flat surfaces. If you are making a flat surface how do you decide whether to use the lathe or the mill? Almost anything that can be done on a mill can be done on a lathe .. and vice-versa. The choice is one of matching geometries. For example, while one can turn things on a mill, you would be hard put to turn a 1/2" diameter by 24" long shaft on a mill. But a 1/2" thick by 24" diameter might be do-able. Similarly, a rotary table is a slow and inconvenient way to turn things .. but suppose you have to turn only a partial circle. You can, as stated earlier, make flat surfaces on a lathe using a four-jaw chuck or some other holding device but it will get increasingly more difficult as you progress and take far longer than the same operation on a mill. Also, to mill a long item on a lathe would be difficult and tedious using a milling attachment, or require a huge lathe. But the decision isn't difficult. If it's mostly flat, you go for a mill. Mostly round, its the lathe. Also, try threading on a mill without using taps or dies. With very really modest amount of experience, and if you have both tools at your disposal, it is rarely a deep question. The interesting question, though is how to machine things that are difficult on either a lathe or a mill ... a keyway slot in a pulley is the first one that comes to mind --easier on a lathe than on a mill. Also, the question of milling on a lathe should be restricted to not using a milling vice because that's really a kind of cheating. Conversely, except for doing partial circles, a rotary table should be left out because it is to the mill what the milling vice is to the lathe. Boris -- ------------------------------------- Boris Beizer Ph.D. Seminars and Consulting 1232 Glenbrook Road on Software Testing and Huntingdon Valley, PA 19006 Quality Assurance TEL: 215-572-5580 FAX: 215-886-0144 Email bsquare "at" sprintmail.com ------------------------------------------ |
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