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How to lift packages of shingles up to roof???
I have an average-size 3 bedroom, 2 bath house that needs a new roof.
The old one's fine, it's just getting a little thin in places where it was hit by hailstones, and the gritty stuff on the shingles seems to be coming off more than it used to. The roof is 9 years old. We're in central Texas, near Austin. It's just a standard, asphalt composite shingle roof. I can replace this roof myself - I've done this before - but one question. Is there some method or device I can use to get those packages of shingles up onto the roof? These things are HEAVY. I picked up one at Home Depot, and one package must weigh 80+ pounds. I can't imagine hauling a roof-full of them up a ladder, one at a time. Thanks, R.M. |
Ron M. wrote:
I can replace this roof myself - I've done this before - but one question. Is there some method or device I can use to get those packages of shingles up onto the roof? These things are HEAVY. I picked up one at Home Depot, and one package must weigh 80+ pounds. I can't imagine hauling a roof-full of them up a ladder, one at a time. Thanks, R.M. Ron, A few suggestions, ask them what they charge for rooftop delivery. Hire a neighbor kid. Hire your own kid. Make you SO do it. |
"Ron M." wrote:
...I can replace this roof myself - I've done this before - but one question. Is there some method or device I can use to get those packages of shingles up onto the roof? These things are HEAVY. I picked up one at Home Depot, and one package must weigh 80+ pounds. I can't imagine hauling a roof-full of them up a ladder, one at a time. Two words: Rooftop Delivery |
In article . com, "Ron M." wrote:
I can replace this roof myself - I've done this before - but one question. Is there some method or device I can use to get those packages of shingles up onto the roof? These things are HEAVY. I picked up one at Home Depot, and one package must weigh 80+ pounds. I can't imagine hauling a roof-full of them up a ladder, one at a time. That's how I did it when I re-roofed my house. A few years later my barn needed re-roofed. Much steeper roof, so I hired pros. That's how they did it, too. Pick it up, put it on your shoulder, climb the ladder one-handed. Not that tough. For 200# shingles, one bundle weighs 67 pounds. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt. And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time? |
When I did my own roof, I ended up with rooftop delivery: BEST MOVE
EVER!!!!!! I was supposed to be on the roof "catching" as 2 guys down below threw bundles on a truck mounted conveyer belt extender arm on the truck. I am big and pretty strong and thought it would be no problem, but it quickly became obvious that I couldn't keep up. The young guy on the truck jumped on the conveyer belt thing, squatted down and rode it up to the roof (single gutsy-est/stupidest thing I have seen in the last few years, as the tip of my roof, where they were delivering is about 27 feet up, and he squatted on the 12" wide conveyer belt!) Anyway he helped "catch", easily doubling my work output. I can't remember specifics, I think rooftop delivery was included in price, I did slip guy on top a $20 when guy on bottom was not looking. Later with both worker present, I tipped another $20. Thought being, old guy on bottom was clearly crew boss and other guy was doing almost all the work, and I expected the whole crew to spilt the "open"$20, but I wanted other guy to get the other $20 to himself, as he really put himself out to cheerfully help me, and I didn't want to force him to share his $20. He may have shared with older guy later, or he may have kept it, I don't know, I left it up to him. bottom line, order rooftop delivery, and have a couple of 20's. I am not usually a "tipper" kind of guy, but that was the best $40 I ever spent, I would have been in the weeds without their help. If you order from non-Home Depot roof supply company they will pretty much assume rooftop delivery, as that is how the pro's operate. I think I nievely planned on hauling up to roof myself, and only changed plans when it was clear rooftop delivery was S.O.P. and would not cost me extra. obviosly ask to be sure... I was just lucky, had I had them delivered to the driveway I suspect I would have killed myself getting 14 squares of architectural shingles up the ladder, I was insane to have thought I could do it. |
"Ron M." wrote:
I have an average-size 3 bedroom, 2 bath house that needs a new roof. The old one's fine, it's just getting a little thin in places where it was hit by hailstones, and the gritty stuff on the shingles seems to be coming off more than it used to. The roof is 9 years old. We're in central Texas, near Austin. It's just a standard, asphalt composite shingle roof. I can replace this roof myself - I've done this before - but one question. Is there some method or device I can use to get those packages of shingles up onto the roof? These things are HEAVY. I picked up one at Home Depot, and one package must weigh 80+ pounds. I can't imagine hauling a roof-full of them up a ladder, one at a time. Thanks, R.M. The last time I did that we had two people. I put wafer board in between the rails of an extension ladder. We then tied a rope around a bundle and the guy on bottom would shove the bundle up the ladder while the guy on top would pull it up with the rope. This sure beat climbing up the ladder with each bundle. -- Jim Rusling Partially Retired Mustang, OK http://www.rusling.org |
On 31 Mar 2005 12:13:47 -0800, "Ron M."
wrote: I have an average-size 3 bedroom, 2 bath house that needs a new roof. The old one's fine, it's just getting a little thin in places where it was hit by hailstones, and the gritty stuff on the shingles seems to be coming off more than it used to. The roof is 9 years old. We're in central Texas, near Austin. It's just a standard, asphalt composite shingle roof. I can replace this roof myself - I've done this before - but one question. Is there some method or device I can use to get those packages of shingles up onto the roof? These things are HEAVY. I picked up one at Home Depot, and one package must weigh 80+ pounds. I can't imagine hauling a roof-full of them up a ladder, one at a time. Thanks, R.M. Rooftop delivery is usually the way to go but I re-roofed my house last year and was able to get a great shingle price from Lowes along with a rebate of the price of a 24' extension ladder only they didn't offer rooftop delivery. This was my solution: http://www.semanchuk.com/john/rooframp.JPG We got 32 square architectural shingles up on the roof pretty quick and without killing my two young helpers and I got the free ladder in the deal. Plus, it was fun! Of course I had the 2x6's, plywood and mover's dolly already around. |
John/Charleston wrote:
On 31 Mar 2005 12:13:47 -0800, "Ron M." wrote: I have an average-size 3 bedroom, 2 bath house that needs a new roof. The old one's fine, it's just getting a little thin in places where it was hit by hailstones, and the gritty stuff on the shingles seems to be coming off more than it used to. The roof is 9 years old. We're in central Texas, near Austin. It's just a standard, asphalt composite shingle roof. I can replace this roof myself - I've done this before - but one question. Is there some method or device I can use to get those packages of shingles up onto the roof? These things are HEAVY. I picked up one at Home Depot, and one package must weigh 80+ pounds. I can't imagine hauling a roof-full of them up a ladder, one at a time. Thanks, R.M. Rooftop delivery is usually the way to go but I re-roofed my house last year and was able to get a great shingle price from Lowes along with a rebate of the price of a 24' extension ladder only they didn't offer rooftop delivery. This was my solution: http://www.semanchuk.com/john/rooframp.JPG We got 32 square architectural shingles up on the roof pretty quick and without killing my two young helpers and I got the free ladder in the deal. Plus, it was fun! Of course I had the 2x6's, plywood and mover's dolly already around. Man this a great newsgroup. |
I have seen small motor driven lifts, basically a heavy duty ladder with a
platform which rolls up and down. Some roofers use a scissor lift platform on their truck. If you can't get rooftop delivery check tool rental places. Don Young "Ron M." wrote in message ups.com... I have an average-size 3 bedroom, 2 bath house that needs a new roof. The old one's fine, it's just getting a little thin in places where it was hit by hailstones, and the gritty stuff on the shingles seems to be coming off more than it used to. The roof is 9 years old. We're in central Texas, near Austin. It's just a standard, asphalt composite shingle roof. I can replace this roof myself - I've done this before - but one question. Is there some method or device I can use to get those packages of shingles up onto the roof? These things are HEAVY. I picked up one at Home Depot, and one package must weigh 80+ pounds. I can't imagine hauling a roof-full of them up a ladder, one at a time. Thanks, R.M. |
G Henslee wrote: Man this is a great newsgroup. It sure is. I didn't know there was such a thing as "rooftop delivery." Problem solved! Ron M. |
There's another way. I open the bundles and pack up 1/2 bundles. OK,
it's not very macho, but I've had a bad back for 15 years. I can pack 1/2 bundles for hours. I guess I live too far out of town. I had to pick my shingles up at the store or pay $ for delivery. To get rid of my old shingles, I spread old tarps on the ground. Then dragged the tarps on 2x6's right into my pickup. The old water-soaked shingles are even heavier then the new ones. JohnK |
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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:48:42 +0100, tomeshew
wrote: Ron M. Wrote: I have an average-size 3 bedroom, 2 bath house that needs a new roof. The old one's fine, it's just getting a little thin in places where it was hit by hailstones, and the gritty stuff on the shingles seems to be coming off more than it used to. The roof is 9 years old. We're in central Texas, near Austin. It's just a standard, asphalt composite shingle roof. I can replace this roof myself - I've done this before - but one question. Is there some method or device I can use to get those packages of shingles up onto the roof? These things are HEAVY. I picked up one at Home Depot, and one package must weigh 80+ pounds. I can't imagine hauling a roof-full of them up a ladder, one at a time. Thanks, R.M. A helper can easily hump 1/2 bundles up quicker than you can lay them. Tom ======================= I am in my 60's...and to be honest I used to LUG thoise things up on the roof myself... But when I replaced my roof 3-4 years ago LOWES delivered the shinkles TO THE ROOF... ON THE ROOF... Maybe I should have shopped around for better shingles BUT once I found out they would place them on the roof... I wrote the check... Bob Griffiths |
On 31 Mar 2005 12:13:47 -0800, "Ron M."
wrote: I have an average-size 3 bedroom, 2 bath house that needs a new roof. The old one's fine, it's just getting a little thin in places where it was hit by hailstones, and the gritty stuff on the shingles seems to be coming off more than it used to. The roof is 9 years old. We're in central Texas, near Austin. It's just a standard, asphalt composite shingle roof. I can replace this roof myself - I've done this before - but one question. Is there some method or device I can use to get those packages of shingles up onto the roof? These things are HEAVY. I picked up one at Home Depot, and one package must weigh 80+ pounds. I can't imagine hauling a roof-full of them up a ladder, one at a time. Thanks, R.M. 15 years ago I reroofed my house down in Texas. 32 squares. The place I bought the shingles could have delivered them rooftop, but I couldn't schedule to be off work to meet them, so I picked them up myself in 2 loads with my pickup. Rather than haul them up the ladder, I backed the truck up to the edge of the roof, stood on the tailgate, and heaved them up to the edge of the roof. After 4 or 5 bundles, I would climb up on the roof and haul them to ridge and then climb down and toss another 4 or 5 bundles. It was not as bad as it sounds. Best regards, Bob |
bottom line, order rooftop delivery, and have a couple of 20's. I am not usually a "tipper" kind of guy, but that was the best $40 I ever spent, I would have been in the weeds without their help. 100 bucks is not enough for "roof top delivery" I have walked them up nad dumped them on the rof edge for another to distribute............. That alone was a couple hunderd a day worth of work. Some major physical labor involved in climbing a ladder with nothing in tow. much less a bundle of shingles every time you go up. I'd definitely tip the guys doing the work more , simply because I know what it takes to move those 67 pond bundles of joy. I guess we all have our values though. I can certainly appreciate spending less too. Generosity is arbitrary anyways I suppose. Remove "YOURPANTIES" to reply MUADIB® http://www.angelfire.com/retro/sster...IN%20PAGE.html one small step for man,..... One giant leap for attorneys. |
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 03:58:15 GMT, MUADIB®
scribbled this interesting note: bottom line, order rooftop delivery, and have a couple of 20's. I am not usually a "tipper" kind of guy, but that was the best $40 I ever spent, I would have been in the weeds without their help. 100 bucks is not enough for "roof top delivery" I have walked them up nad dumped them on the rof edge for another to distribute............. That alone was a couple hunderd a day worth of work. Some major physical labor involved in climbing a ladder with nothing in tow. much less a bundle of shingles every time you go up. I'd definitely tip the guys doing the work more , simply because I know what it takes to move those 67 pond bundles of joy. I guess we all have our values though. I can certainly appreciate spending less too. Generosity is arbitrary anyways I suppose. Cheapskate!:~) -- John Willis (Remove the Primes before e-mailing me) |
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:48:42 +0100, tomeshew
scribbled this interesting note: Ron M. Wrote: I have an average-size 3 bedroom, 2 bath house that needs a new roof. The old one's fine, it's just getting a little thin in places where it was hit by hailstones, and the gritty stuff on the shingles seems to be coming off more than it used to. The roof is 9 years old. We're in central Texas, near Austin. It's just a standard, asphalt composite shingle roof. I can replace this roof myself - I've done this before - but one question. Is there some method or device I can use to get those packages of shingles up onto the roof? These things are HEAVY. I picked up one at Home Depot, and one package must weigh 80+ pounds. I can't imagine hauling a roof-full of them up a ladder, one at a time. Thanks, R.M. A helper can easily hump 1/2 bundles up quicker than you can lay them. Tom I need this helper working for me!:~) (I've yet to find one who could do this!:~) -- John Willis (Remove the Primes before e-mailing me) |
In article , MUADIB® wrote:
That alone was a couple hunderd a day worth of work. Some major physical labor involved in climbing a ladder with nothing in tow. much less a bundle of shingles every time you go up. If climbing a ladder empty-handed is "major physical labor"... perhaps you should consider joining Weigh****chers. "Major physical labor"! Sheesh. Get off the couch more. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt. And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time? |
If climbing a ladder empty-handed is "major physical labor"... perhaps you should consider joining Weigh****chers. "Major physical labor"! Sheesh. Get off the couch more. Well, I see you're a physically fit active guy. That makes everyone else lazy now does it? I typically am pretty active, high energy and get a lot of stuff done in a day as well as move very quickly almost all the time (when my back is not giving me problems as it is this week). does this make me lazy because I don;t go up and down ladders and stairs a lot? I think I am a bit overweight and that is not good, but it does not make me lazy by any means. I might call *you* lazy too if I saw how you move, work, and play also. But that would only be to make a point. I have no idea how the folks on the newsgroup can decide what another person is like merely by extracting it from their imagination. Now, I apologize if I am not Charles Atlas, and that I have a wife who caters to my appetite. But that doesn;t by any means make me Lazy. I am 6' tall and weigh about 200lbs. A bit heavy as I said before. My job entails a lot of driving, a lot of walking (very fast paced normally) and a lot of getting in and out of cars. This is what I do to make a living. I am not a roofer, That would be a job for someone who does that stuff for a living. I am not all too sure I'd want to just throw my car needs to just any ol' roofer out there, as well I would hope that a guy who needs a roof would not call a mechanic or electrical technician................. Back to the original statement I made. Climbing a ladder is definitely something I would consider a major physical activity. Maybe you don't. So let me try and explain it another way. Climbing a ladder, four feet of it at least, about a hundred times in a 4 hour period, is, and will always be pretty physical. Now keep in mind, that's only lifting yourself..............get back to me with video on how much of a bad-ass you are doing this,................get off the ladder, move it a foot and climb back up and down, move it a foot, climb up, down, move it, etc... do this until you've got to 100 times or so, then talk to me about what major physical labor is... Now,...........add 67lbs of shingles and the extra balancing it takes to do this, and go ahead and climb the extra 6-8 feet of ladder to get the shingles up on the roof...........keeping in mind that you can only stack them suckers so high, before someone has to move those or move the ladder over and start a new stack............40 squares of this will be like taking a nap for you if I recall what lazy is to you. I stated the "major physical labor" part to make sure someone understood what it is to do something simple, but to do it many times. Most of the DIY'rs are not typical construction grunts, or active gym attendees, but average people. Keep this in mind when you start calling people lazy. I take a small bit of offense to it, however I understand how it could simply not be apparent to simpler minds how much work some things will become if you are not one who makes a living at a particular excersize. Please forgive me if this is over your head and under your muscle. Remove "YOURPANTIES" to reply MUADIB® http://www.angelfire.com/retro/sster...IN%20PAGE.html one small step for man,..... One giant leap for attorneys. |
In article , MUADIB® wrote:
If climbing a ladder empty-handed is "major physical labor"... perhaps you should consider joining Weigh****chers. "Major physical labor"! Sheesh. Get off the couch more. Well, I see you're a physically fit active guy. That makes everyone else lazy now does it? [snip long whine] Climbing a ladder is not "major physical exercise" for anyone who's even half-way in shape. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt. And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time? |
Doug Miller wrote:
Climbing a ladder is not "major physical exercise" for anyone who's even half-way in shape. That wouldn't happen to be an opinion, would it? You're so matter of fact about it I can't tell. Maybe you're definition of major physical exercise is different. In any case it doesn't really matter what your opinion is in this matter. The opinion of the guy climbing the ladder is what matters. 20 years ago I'd go up a ladder with two bundles on my shoulder. I weighed about the same as the two bundles back then. Now I'm 20 years older, 10 punds heavier and I go up with one bundle. Just standing on the ladder for extended periods bothers me. I'm not overweight, I'm not lazy and I'm in decent shape. I ride my bike a lot and go up and down ladders probably more than I'd like. Yet oddly enough, when I have to load up a roof with shingles, I most certainly know I was doing some serious exercise at the end of the day. R |
Is there some method or device I can use to get those
packages of shingles up onto the roof? These things are HEAVY. If you are doing anything but a small roof, have the shingles delivered. They have a boom conveyor and deliver the shingles right to the roof. Saves a huge amount of time and work! Rooftop delivery is usually free with most orders. You could probably pay a small delivery charge to have smaller orders delivered too? When I ordered the shingles for our garage, I still hadn't finished sheathing the roof. So, I just had them drop the shingles inside the garage. I had scaffolding setup next to the roof, so I would set 2-3 bundles of shingles on the scaffold (don't overload it!), then climb up and lift them the rest of the way to the roof. It worked great. Several years ago I was installing shingles on a storage shed. I simply opened the bundles, grabbed a few shingles, draped them over one shoulder, and climbed a ladder to the roof. A few at a time is slower, but much easier to manage. I have also seen "ladder hoists" that somehow attach to a standard extension ladder. You set the shingles (or lumber, etc.) on the hoist, and hoist them up to the roof. Obviously this would work best if there was one person on the ground, and another on the roof. Anthony |
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:00:03 -0800, RicodJour wrote:
That wouldn't happen to be an opinion, would it? You're so matter of fact about it I can't tell. Maybe you're definition of major physical exercise is different. Any reasonable person would not classify climbing a ladder (carrying nothing) to be "major physical exercise". oddly enough, when I have to load up a roof with shingles, I most certainly know I was doing some serious exercise at the end of the day. Perhaps, but the point in question was *climbing the ladder*, not *loading up a roof with shingles*. -- If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space. Linux Registered User #327951 |
Dan C wrote:
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:00:03 -0800, RicodJour wrote: That wouldn't happen to be an opinion, would it? You're so matter of fact about it I can't tell. Maybe you're definition of major physical exercise is different. Any reasonable person would not classify climbing a ladder (carrying nothing) to be "major physical exercise". oddly enough, when I have to load up a roof with shingles, I most certainly know I was doing some serious exercise at the end of the day. Perhaps, but the point in question was *climbing the ladder*, not *loading up a roof with shingles*. Hmmm. I see your point! I did read that wrong. It's probably more like Sergeant or Private First Class exercise. Certainly not Major. R R |
The cost around is about $1 per bundle to have them delivered directly onto the
roof. At 3 bundles per square, that means that you are paying about $50 to have the shingles delivered for a somewhat typical 17 square, 2 story house. That is a bargain - I would never haul 50 bundles up a ladder to save $50. Good luck, Gidoen |
In article . com, "RicodJour" wrote:
I'm not overweight, I'm not lazy and I'm in decent shape. I ride my bike a lot and go up and down ladders probably more than I'd like. Yet oddly enough, when I have to load up a roof with shingles, I most certainly know I was doing some serious exercise at the end of the day. Go back a few posts... this guy said that climbing a ladder _empty_handed_ was "major physical exercise". -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt. And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time? |
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:49:50 GMT, MUADIB®
scribbled this interesting note: Most of the DIY'rs are not typical construction grunts, or active gym attendees, but average people. Active gym attendees couldn't do it either. I've seen many try and fail to keep up. It takes a kind of endurance, a core strength to be able to perform this kind of labor and it is not to be underestimated. It looks easy. The people who do it every day can make it look easy because they are practiced. I've been doing it for a very good portion of my life and it is hard work. It ain't rocket science or particle physics, but I don't think too many rocket scientists or physicists could do this kind of work either. -- John Willis (Remove the Primes before e-mailing me) |
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On your shoulder and up the ladder you go. Yes, one bundle at a time.
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"yaofeng" wrote in message ups.com... On your shoulder and up the ladder you go. Yes, one bundle at a time. of course, if he has them delivered, some companies have that nice coveyor belt to put them up at him. |
"Steve@carolinabreezehvac" wrote in message ... "yaofeng" wrote in message ups.com... On your shoulder and up the ladder you go. Yes, one bundle at a time. of course, if he has them delivered, some companies have that nice coveyor belt to put them up at him. Or as mine, had about 15 strong backs (all illegals I think - none could speak English). Metal Shingles that look like tile. |
How to lift packages of shingles up to roof???
replying to Andy Hill, cindy coleman wrote:
how much do it cost for rooftop delivery -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...of-647248-.htm |
How to lift packages of shingles up to roof???
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 16:14:02 GMT, cindy coleman
m wrote: replying to Andy Hill, cindy coleman wrote: how much do it cost for rooftop delivery about dat much or a dollar two ninety eight or summpin |
How to lift packages of shingles up to roof???
On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 11:40:28 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 16:14:02 GMT, cindy coleman m wrote: replying to Andy Hill, cindy coleman wrote: how much do it cost for rooftop delivery about dat much or a dollar two ninety eight or summpin BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bet she wuz slurpin' on a purple drank while typing wiff one hand. |
How to lift packages of shingles up to roof???
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 09:40:20 -0700, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 16:14:02 GMT, cindy coleman om wrote: replying to Andy Hill, cindy coleman wrote: how much do it cost for rooftop delivery about dat much or a dollar two ninety eight or summpin I be gettin mine deelivered on da roof fo bout foty, fitty dollas. |
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How to lift packages of shingles up to roof???
Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 14:40:04 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 09:40:20 -0700, Oren wrote: On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 16:14:02 GMT, cindy coleman m wrote: replying to Andy Hill, cindy coleman wrote: how much do it cost for rooftop delivery about dat much or a dollar two ninety eight or summpin I be gettin mine deelivered on da roof fo bout foty, fitty dollas. Agreed, arrange for delivery to the roof, preferably just in the nick of time, as you are ready to install them. The other option would be to rent a shingle ladder / hoist, but even doing it that way is a lot of work. Another option would be splitting a package in half, or so, and bring them up manually (various options). |
How to lift packages of shingles up to roof???
replying to cindy coleman, David Choo wrote:
HomeDepot only charges $55 for local delivery and $0.50 per bundle. Yippie! My roof needs 45 bundles so the total charges is about $80. Lowes does not provide such service. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...of-647248-.htm |
How to lift packages of shingles up to roof???
On 5/30/2018 12:14 PM, David Choo wrote:
replying to cindy coleman, David Choo wrote: HomeDepot only charges $55 for local delivery and $0.50 per bundle. Yippie! My roof needs 45 bundles so the total charges is about $80. Lowes does not provide such service. I got a new roof last month, 2 story colonial, and see when I looked up the shingles that Lowes does deliver. Roofer had a motorized lift on a ladder but could not get it started so they carried up by hand. Awful lot of work. I don't think I could get one bundle up the one story to attached garage roof. |
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