"SteveB" wrote in message news:lb34e.52814$AN1.51103@fed1read03... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message Let's add a definition, then. If someone will cry or otherwise have a bad day when a particular animal is killed, maybe you can call it a "pet". But, that is of no significance to anyone but the person who will be upset. Again, it's just a word. And, if they let it roam the neighborhood, they probably wanted it dead anyway. Let's add another definition: responsible pet owner. A "responsible pet owner" provides for the needs of their animal. They give it food and water. They give it companionship, love, and kindness. They take it to the doctor when it is sick. They provide a warm/cool safe place for it to live. They do not let it wander out unsupervised. They don't allow it to wander into traffic. They don't allow it to wander into any place where it might be hurt by any means. They are like five year olds. Yes, you can let them run around on their own, but it takes them about ten minutes to get into something and get hurt. "Responsible pet owners" take care of their "pets." Unresponsible pet owners do not, and just like unresponsible parents, then want to go after (and usually sue) anyone or anything that their kid gets messed up by, but don't want to mention the fact they weren't doing their job and fulfilling their responsibilities in the first place. I notice that we don't have people writing in and complaining that their dog/cat who stays at home or on leash or under control got into trouble. It's the ones that are kicked out the door and let back in eight hours later that have a problem. Steve This sounds about right. I guess the next logical step is what each of us does when we know we're dealing with an irresponsible pet owner. Personally, I relegate them and their pets to the same category as empty Chinese food take-out containers. |
"SteveB" wrote in message news:5434e.52811$AN1.37286@fed1read03... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Electric fence? What kind of batteries? How long do they last? The brand you have - would you buy it again? I'm in the market for that within the next couple of weeks. Not really in the mood to trench an AC line to the garage. Google Fi-Shock They have several models. A basic one that plugs into an AC plug and steps down the electricity is about $30, and all you need. You then run two wires off the unit (about 4"x6"x3") to what you want to electrify. Sometimes one of the leads goes to ground. Sometimes, you might want to use two parallel strips of metal screening on a wood porch to get them when they are walking in. I like putting one on a piece of metal screen, and the other on a metal bowl of water or food. Put a sheet of plastic under the bowl. This insulates the bowl from the metal screen. When the prowling animal (cat, dog, raccoon, possum, whatever) makes contact with the bowl, they will get a shock that will make him/her/it stay away from your porch for the rest of its natural life. It will not kill the animal, as it has a low voltage. A really simple quick inexpensive way to get rid of pesky animals. The only other thing better is the motion sensor water sprayer, but they are about $70, and can't be used where water is an issue. These shockers work, and are a million laughs. Steve I need to fence a 30x30 garden plot. Still looking for the best way. It's amazing - 20 minutes south of Rochester NY, there's a dairy farm every half mile, with an electric fence around at least part of the land. But, so far, I haven't found a farm supply store where anyone knows anything about electric fences, and might actually want to take some of my money in return for the materials I need. Gotta pull over at a farm later this week and find out if they ordered theirs from another planet, or what. |
"Doug Kanter" wrote But, so far, I haven't found a farm supply store where anyone knows anything about electric fences, and might actually want to take some of my money in return for the materials I need. Gotta pull over at a farm later this week and find out if they ordered theirs from another planet, or what. I had the same problem here. Went to pet stores. They wanted a fortune, and didn't have anything but kits that had zillions of wires and connectors and insulators, etc. Went to tack and feed stores, and same thing. Only high priced models with high prices that would energize five miles of fence. Enter: Google. I had what I wanted within five days. Delivered to my door. Steve |
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news:5434e.52811$AN1.37286@fed1read03: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Electric fence? What kind of batteries? How long do they last? The brand you have - would you buy it again? I'm in the market for that within the next couple of weeks. Not really in the mood to trench an AC line to the garage. Google Fi-Shock They have several models. A basic one that plugs into an AC plug and steps down the electricity is about $30, and all you need. You then run two wires off the unit (about 4"x6"x3") to what you want to electrify. Sometimes one of the leads goes to ground. Sometimes, you might want to use two parallel strips of metal screening on a wood porch to get them when they are walking in. I like putting one on a piece of metal screen, and the other on a metal bowl of water or food. Ah,so you're BAITING. Putting out food/water to DRAW IN animals,so you can shock them.I wonder if you hunt in this manner? -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
"Jim Yanik" . wrote in message .. . "SteveB" wrote in news:5434e.52811$AN1.37286@fed1read03: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Electric fence? What kind of batteries? How long do they last? The brand you have - would you buy it again? I'm in the market for that within the next couple of weeks. Not really in the mood to trench an AC line to the garage. Google Fi-Shock They have several models. A basic one that plugs into an AC plug and steps down the electricity is about $30, and all you need. You then run two wires off the unit (about 4"x6"x3") to what you want to electrify. Sometimes one of the leads goes to ground. Sometimes, you might want to use two parallel strips of metal screening on a wood porch to get them when they are walking in. I like putting one on a piece of metal screen, and the other on a metal bowl of water or food. Ah,so you're BAITING. Putting out food/water to DRAW IN animals,so you can shock them.I wonder if you hunt in this manner? -- Jim Yanik No, Jim. If I have a problem with an animal, THEN I put out the Fi-Shock in whatever arrangement I think will deter that type of animal from returning. I do not "bait" the area, having the shocker out there at all times. I own my property, and whenever anything comes in from the outside, be it human or critter, they are subject to my rules. If they can behave and come and go, I let them do so freely. If they want to make a mess or tear the place up or act a fool, I deal with them. I wouldn't allow a human to **** on my back porch, why would I allow a stray cat? And, if I did have someone whizzing on my back porch, I'd set out the Fi-Shock for them, too. Once is all it takes. Let's do this, Jim. I'll do what I want at my house, and you can do what you want at yours. Try to cut down on the ****ing and moaning about what other people are doing on their own private property. Deal? BTW, I hunt with a gun, and follow all game laws. Steve |
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