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bending emt by hand.
Hello eveyone,
I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. So..... I'm guessing there was a way to do this by using a simple conduit bender hand tool....is there? Thank you, post your replies to this group. later, tom |
wrote in message ... Hello eveyone, I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. So..... I'm guessing there was a way to do this by using a simple conduit bender hand tool....is there? Thank you, post your replies to this group. later, tom This is Turtle. a Many of man has tried it by hand and all I know of failed completely. It is almost impossible to keep it from Kinking when doing it by hand. You can get a 20 to 25º Turn maybe but anymore and you kink it. Home depot sells a emt bender for about $29.00 to $59.00 depending on the size. Now you can try at the rent it stores and they have these benders for rent but Price I don't know. TURTLE |
wrote in message ... Hello eveyone, I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. So..... I'm guessing there was a way to do this by using a simple conduit bender hand tool....is there? Thank you, post your replies to this group. later, tom Flexible conduit???? |
TURTLE wrote:
.... a Many of man has tried it by hand and all I know of failed completely. It is almost impossible to keep it from Kinking when doing it by hand. You can get a 20 to 25º Turn maybe but anymore and you kink it. ... I've not tried w/ EMT but if you have something of appropriate size on hand, a heavy gauge spring whose inner diameter is just larger than the tubing will work for things like copper, etc. For an offset bend you might get by...but as TOITLE noted, a simple hand bender ain't that expensive for 1/2" conduit which I would guess would be what you'd be using... Alternative would be flex or switch to plastic for the last few inches (if you're not using the conduit for ground as some installations do/did--is that still in code btw?)... |
I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. So..... I'm guessing there was a way to do this by using a simple conduit bender hand tool....is there? This is Turtle. a Many of man has tried it by hand and all I know of failed completely. It is almost impossible to keep it from Kinking when doing it by hand. You can get a 20 to 25º Turn maybe but anymore and you kink it. Home depot sells a emt bender for about $29.00 to $59.00 depending on the size. I think you mis-understood what he's trying to do: He's not trying to bend the pipe bare-handed, he just wants to use the $12 tube-bender instead of the $125 special offset bending tool. You can do that just by bending a slight bend, backing up a couple inches, and bending the other way. If you set up on a 2x4, the first bend won't plow into the floor when you roll the tubing over. If you keep the 2x4, you can also nail an upright and a crosspiece so you can mark how far to shift the pipe and how far to pull the handle. |
wrote in message ... Hello eveyone, I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. So..... I'm guessing there was a way to do this by using a simple conduit bender hand tool....is there? Thank you, post your replies to this group. later, tom If your only bending 1 or 2.. pack the tubing with sand so it won't kink when you bend it waldo |
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wrote in message ... Hello eveyone, I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. So..... I'm guessing there was a way to do this by using a simple conduit bender hand tool....is there? Thank you, post your replies to this group. later, tom This is Turtle. I stand corrected here and you do have a cheap set of emt benders. You can do anything you want including the rolling off set with a set of benders. I just bend in the reverse side for the off set of the roll. Left handed people will under stand this for they have to look at everything backwards. TURTLE |
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Zactly. Was waiting for someone to point that out.
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I cant bend pipe, it goes the wrong way and the old boss used to say I used
way too many couplings. heres some instructions with pretty pictures ... http://www.elliottelectric.com/1051/...uitbending.asp wrote in message ... Hello eveyone, I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. So..... I'm guessing there was a way to do this by using a simple conduit bender hand tool....is there? Thank you, post your replies to this group. later, tom |
wrote in message ... Hello eveyone, I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. Don't bother bending the conduit! Shop around, I buy offset conduit fittings with the "kick" in them already. Greg |
Subject: bending emt by hand.
Newsgroup: alt.home.repair = Greg O = wrote: wrote in message .. . Hello eveyone, I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. Don't bother bending the conduit! Shop around, I buy offset conduit fittings with the "kick" in them already. What exactly did you NOT understand when he wrote: "I..don't want to spend money on offset fittings"??? -- -Graham Remove the 'snails' from my email |
"G. Morgan" wrote in message ... Subject: bending emt by hand. Newsgroup: alt.home.repair = Greg O = wrote: wrote in message .. . Hello eveyone, I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. Don't bother bending the conduit! Shop around, I buy offset conduit fittings with the "kick" in them already. What exactly did you NOT understand when he wrote: "I..don't want to spend money on offset fittings"??? Oh hell! Never mind! I missed that! (still my recomendation though!!) Greg |
Greg O wrote:
.... Oh hell! Never mind! I missed that! (still my recomendation though!!) It's easy to miss when trying not to take too much time...shoot, I thought he said he didn't have (and didn't want to buy) a hand bender tool, too... :) |
On 1/14/2005 10:11 AM US(ET), Duane Bozarth took fingers to keys, and
typed the following: Greg O wrote: ... Oh hell! Never mind! I missed that! (still my recomendation though!!) It's easy to miss when trying not to take too much time...shoot, I thought he said he didn't have (and didn't want to buy) a hand bender tool, too... :) What I got from the OP's post. 1. The OP doesn't want to buy an EMT bender (which my electrician friend calls a 'Hickey'). 2. He doesn't want to buy or use pre-made offset fittings. 3. He wants to know if there is a 'hand tool' to bend conduit. I do not know of a hand tool bender, other than the hand and foot held 'Hickey'. If there was a bender that could be held in the hands, one would have to be pretty strong to bend conduit with just the hands. Even by filling the conduit with sand to prevent kinks while bending without a 'Hickey' or hand tool, the sand would only add to the amount of power needed to bend the conduit. The only solution would be to find someone with a 'Hickey' to bend the conduit, be it a relative, friend, or neighbor (I have one and am not an electrician), or some electrical installer or supply house. -- Bill |
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:59:32 -0500, willshak
wrote: snip What I got from the OP's post. 1. The OP doesn't want to buy an EMT bender (which my electrician friend calls a 'Hickey'). 2. He doesn't want to buy or use pre-made offset fittings. 3. He wants to know if there is a 'hand tool' to bend conduit. I do not know of a hand tool bender, other than the hand and foot held 'Hickey'. If there was a bender that could be held in the hands, one would have to be pretty strong to bend conduit with just the hands. Even by filling the conduit with sand to prevent kinks while bending without a 'Hickey' or hand tool, the sand would only add to the amount of power needed to bend the conduit. The only solution would be to find someone with a 'Hickey' to bend the conduit, be it a relative, friend, or neighbor (I have one and am not an electrician), or some electrical installer or supply house. Boy, for such a short post, seems like everyone is reading impaired today. G He does not want to buy a "offset bender" and wants to know if this can be done with a "hand tool". I consider a normal "manual" EMT bender to be a hand tool, even though feet may be involved. Others have posted how to do an offset with the hand bender. Another idea might be to count the number of offsets, take that many pieces to an electrical contractor and have them run the pieces through the offset bender the use couplings. Show up near quitting time with some adult beverages, might just get it done for no further cost... --original post-- Hello eveyone, I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. So..... I'm guessing there was a way to do this by using a simple conduit bender hand tool....is there? tom DJ |
If he was to get lucky and find a matched pair of 1/2 & 3/4 greenlee's on
auction, he might afford them if no else one bids. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW "DJ" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:59:32 -0500, willshak wrote: snip What I got from the OP's post. 1. The OP doesn't want to buy an EMT bender (which my electrician friend calls a 'Hickey'). 2. He doesn't want to buy or use pre-made offset fittings. 3. He wants to know if there is a 'hand tool' to bend conduit. I do not know of a hand tool bender, other than the hand and foot held 'Hickey'. If there was a bender that could be held in the hands, one would have to be pretty strong to bend conduit with just the hands. Even by filling the conduit with sand to prevent kinks while bending without a 'Hickey' or hand tool, the sand would only add to the amount of power needed to bend the conduit. The only solution would be to find someone with a 'Hickey' to bend the conduit, be it a relative, friend, or neighbor (I have one and am not an electrician), or some electrical installer or supply house. Boy, for such a short post, seems like everyone is reading impaired today. G He does not want to buy a "offset bender" and wants to know if this can be done with a "hand tool". I consider a normal "manual" EMT bender to be a hand tool, even though feet may be involved. Others have posted how to do an offset with the hand bender. Another idea might be to count the number of offsets, take that many pieces to an electrical contractor and have them run the pieces through the offset bender the use couplings. Show up near quitting time with some adult beverages, might just get it done for no further cost... --original post-- Hello eveyone, I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. So..... I'm guessing there was a way to do this by using a simple conduit bender hand tool....is there? tom DJ |
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:59:32 -0500, willshak
wrote: On 1/14/2005 10:11 AM US(ET), Duane Bozarth took fingers to keys, and typed the following: Greg O wrote: ... Oh hell! Never mind! I missed that! (still my recomendation though!!) It's easy to miss when trying not to take too much time...shoot, I thought he said he didn't have (and didn't want to buy) a hand bender tool, too... :) What I got from the OP's post. 1. The OP doesn't want to buy an EMT bender (which my electrician friend calls a 'Hickey'). I have to get an emt bender, about $25 at HD. this= http://www.chopurl.com?516 I was asking if there was a way to make offesets WITHOUT a 'offset bender' ('a 'kicker') this= http://www.chopurl.com?515 This is over $150. So my question was there a simple way to do offsets with the simple hand bender? Maybe a series of photos, a vendor movie, etc..... Thank you for your replies. tom 2. He doesn't want to buy or use pre-made offset fittings. 3. He wants to know if there is a 'hand tool' to bend conduit. I do not know of a hand tool bender, other than the hand and foot held 'Hickey'. If there was a bender that could be held in the hands, one would have to be pretty strong to bend conduit with just the hands. Even by filling the conduit with sand to prevent kinks while bending without a 'Hickey' or hand tool, the sand would only add to the amount of power needed to bend the conduit. The only solution would be to find someone with a 'Hickey' to bend the conduit, be it a relative, friend, or neighbor (I have one and am not an electrician), or some electrical installer or supply house. |
wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:59:32 -0500, willshak So my question was there a simple way to do offsets with the simple hand bender? Maybe a series of photos, a vendor movie, etc..... Thank you for your replies. tom You can bend offsets with a conduit bender, I have done it, but I am no way qualified to tell someone how to do it! Same way you learn piano, practice, practice, practice! Greg |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:41:22 -0500, willshak
wrote: On 1/14/2005 4:49 PM US(ET), took fingers to keys, and typed the following: On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:59:32 -0500, willshak wrote: On 1/14/2005 10:11 AM US(ET), Duane Bozarth took fingers to keys, and typed the following: Greg O wrote: ... Oh hell! Never mind! I missed that! (still my recomendation though!!) It's easy to miss when trying not to take too much time...shoot, I thought he said he didn't have (and didn't want to buy) a hand bender tool, too... :) What I got from the OP's post. 1. The OP doesn't want to buy an EMT bender (which my electrician friend calls a 'Hickey'). I have to get an emt bender, about $25 at HD. this= http://www.chopurl.com?516 I was asking if there was a way to make offesets WITHOUT a 'offset bender' ('a 'kicker') this= http://www.chopurl.com?515 This is over $150. So my question was there a simple way to do offsets with the simple hand bender? Maybe a series of photos, a vendor movie, etc..... Thank you for your replies. http://www.idealindustries.com/pdf/bendguid.pdf Thank you so much, but I've seen this. The level of detail is weak, for me, and even the chart's smallest offest is like 2" and for 1/2" emt, it think the offset is very small to pop into a box. Thank you, tom 2. He doesn't want to buy or use pre-made offset fittings. 3. He wants to know if there is a 'hand tool' to bend conduit. I do not know of a hand tool bender, other than the hand and foot held 'Hickey'. If there was a bender that could be held in the hands, one would have to be pretty strong to bend conduit with just the hands. Even by filling the conduit with sand to prevent kinks while bending without a 'Hickey' or hand tool, the sand would only add to the amount of power needed to bend the conduit. The only solution would be to find someone with a 'Hickey' to bend the conduit, be it a relative, friend, or neighbor (I have one and am not an electrician), or some electrical installer or supply house. |
willshak wrote:
On 1/14/2005 10:11 AM US(ET), Duane Bozarth took fingers to keys, and typed the following: Greg O wrote: ... Oh hell! Never mind! I missed that! (still my recomendation though!!) It's easy to miss when trying not to take too much time...shoot, I thought he said he didn't have (and didn't want to buy) a hand bender tool, too... :) What I got from the OP's post. 1. The OP doesn't want to buy an EMT bender (which my electrician friend calls a 'Hickey'). 2. He doesn't want to buy or use pre-made offset fittings. 3. He wants to know if there is a 'hand tool' to bend conduit. I do not know of a hand tool bender, other than the hand and foot held 'Hickey'. If there was a bender that could be held in the hands, one would have to be pretty strong to bend conduit with just the hands. Even by filling the conduit with sand to prevent kinks while bending without a 'Hickey' or hand tool, the sand would only add to the amount of power needed to bend the conduit. The only solution would be to find someone with a 'Hickey' to bend the conduit, be it a relative, friend, or neighbor (I have one and am not an electrician), or some electrical installer or supply house. Guys we need to listen louder. The bender that he did not want to buy is called a "little kicker". It is manufactured by Greenlee and sells for about $160.00. He has a regular bender. He is asking for good technique for making box offsets with a regular bender. He would like to avoid buying offset fittings or a single purpose box offset bender. -- Tom H |
Yes there is a simple way to do offsets with a normal wheel
bender. I say this to differentiate from a hickey bender. They are not the same tool. Offsets have been made for years with wheel benders. The offset benders are a fairly new development. They are efficient but I know many electricians who did not buy them when they came out and stayed with the old fashioned method. Most won't get it out for 1 or 2 offsets. You can see several he http://198.247.193.8/wwwroot/greenlee/bending.pdf Several people have told you to go to a couple of different sites to see how it is done. If you are going to buy a new wheel bender, they usually come with a small booklet or drawing showing you how to use it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Keep the whole world singing . . . . DanG (remove the sevens) wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:59:32 -0500, willshak wrote: On 1/14/2005 10:11 AM US(ET), Duane Bozarth took fingers to keys, and typed the following: Greg O wrote: ... Oh hell! Never mind! I missed that! (still my recomendation though!!) It's easy to miss when trying not to take too much time...shoot, I thought he said he didn't have (and didn't want to buy) a hand bender tool, too... :) What I got from the OP's post. 1. The OP doesn't want to buy an EMT bender (which my electrician friend calls a 'Hickey'). I have to get an emt bender, about $25 at HD. this= http://www.chopurl.com?516 I was asking if there was a way to make offesets WITHOUT a 'offset bender' ('a 'kicker') this= http://www.chopurl.com?515 This is over $150. So my question was there a simple way to do offsets with the simple hand bender? Maybe a series of photos, a vendor movie, etc..... Thank you for your replies. tom 2. He doesn't want to buy or use pre-made offset fittings. 3. He wants to know if there is a 'hand tool' to bend conduit. I do not know of a hand tool bender, other than the hand and foot held 'Hickey'. If there was a bender that could be held in the hands, one would have to be pretty strong to bend conduit with just the hands. Even by filling the conduit with sand to prevent kinks while bending without a 'Hickey' or hand tool, the sand would only add to the amount of power needed to bend the conduit. The only solution would be to find someone with a 'Hickey' to bend the conduit, be it a relative, friend, or neighbor (I have one and am not an electrician), or some electrical installer or supply house. |
http://www.hatvideo.com/videodownloads.html
How to Bend Conduit With a Hand Bender pretty good instructions for offsets on a pdf download there. some handy multipliers for depth of offset with angle of bends, example; 30degree bend 3/4 offset would be 3/4 x 2 mark seperation = 1.5" |
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:58:16 GMT, "bumtracks"
wrote: http://www.hatvideo.com/videodownloads.html How to Bend Conduit With a Hand Bender pretty good instructions for offsets on a pdf download there. some handy multipliers for depth of offset with angle of bends, example; 30degree bend 3/4 offset would be 3/4 x 2 mark seperation = 1.5" The pdf explained how to do a quick 'box offset' what I'm guessing I need to pop emt into handy boxes. Sounds quick and easy, no mulitpliers(which was confusing the heck out of me for such a small offset). Just two 10degree bends bend-to-bend. Thanks! later, tom @ www.FreelancingProjects.com |
Subject: bending emt by hand.
Newsgroup: alt.home.repair = = wrote: So my question was there a simple way to do offsets with the simple hand bender? Maybe a series of photos, a vendor movie, etc..... Man it's easy. Just put the bender on the end of the emt and bend about an inch up. Then flip the emt over, slide it back about 3" and bend again. Buy an extra stick so you can practice- on second thought you better get a few extra sticks, because one you master the offset you're going to need prictice with sweeps. -- -Graham Remove the 'snails' from my email |
Subject: bending emt by hand.
Newsgroup: alt.home.repair = Takoma Park Volunteer Fire Department Postmaster = wrote: Guys we need to listen louder. I understood him just fine. -- -Graham Remove the 'snails' from my email |
Guess you'll hate me for this, but I bought a pair of Greenlee kickers
on Ebay, 1/2" and 3/4", and the finished work looks so good I cream my jeans just looking at it. And yes, these bends can be made with a hand bender - when an accomplished pro does them they look good. Practice, practice, practice. On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:10:29 -0500, wrote: Hello eveyone, I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. So..... I'm guessing there was a way to do this by using a simple conduit bender hand tool....is there? Thank you, post your replies to this group. later, tom |
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:15:29 -0500, FarmerJim wrote:
Guess you'll hate me for this, but I bought a pair of Greenlee kickers on Ebay, 1/2" and 3/4", and the finished work looks so good I cream my jeans just looking at it. Ugggg, better get some new jeans off ebay too! And yes, these bends can be made with a hand bender - when an accomplished pro does them they look good. Practice, practice, practice. thanks. On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:10:29 -0500, wrote: Hello eveyone, I don't have the money to spend on a emt offset bender("kicker") and don't want to spend money on offset fittings for emt to handy boxes. So..... I'm guessing there was a way to do this by using a simple conduit bender hand tool....is there? Thank you, post your replies to this group. later, tom later, tom @ www.Stuff4Free.biz |
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