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Ripping up the kitchen floor is a B!#@H
Our house is 45 years old and has had a few floors in the kitchen,
mostly vinyl or linoleum, added one on top the other (not by us). It's due for a new floor so we decided to rip up the generations of previous floors and put down laminate. There were several layers of vinyl then 1/4" plywood which had started to disintegrate in a few spots. It took 2 of us ~12 hours to rip up 120 sq ft of flooring because of all the nails. The original floor was repaired and patched after a water leak and the plywood was put down to provide a smooth surface for the new linoleum. Whoever put the plywood down (I suspect it was the original homeowner) put nails every 4" in a grid across the center of the plywood, every 1" around the perimeter and half a dozen on each corner. $%&*#@$%%&*!!!!!!!!! There were finishing nails, ring shank nails, and common nails in various sizes. Did I mention that in some places the nails were so dense that we couldn't get a crowbar under the plywood? We had to chip off 1/2" pieces of plywood, pull the nails, then chip off more plywood. The guy must have had a bucket of miscellaneous nails and couple of bored kids with hammers. I could here this guy saying, "We'll build it to last. This floor will never squeak. This floor won't go anywhere. Put another nail in son. Build it to last." Fortunately, the damage that we anticipated was limited to the 1/4" plywood, the floor below is rock solid, flat and level. We'll put down a vapor barrier, then some kind of underlayment, then either Shaw or Armstrong laminate tile floor. Phew! Glad the hard part is over. -- Mac Cool |
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The nailing pattern they used is the correct one.
-- Marcus I like people, they are bio-degradable !. |
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"Mac Cool" wrote in message ... There were finishing nails, ring shank nails, and common nails in various sizes. Did I mention that in some places the nails were so dense that we couldn't get a crowbar under the plywood? We had to chip off 1/2" pieces of plywood, pull the nails, then chip off more plywood. The guy must have had a bucket of miscellaneous nails and couple of bored kids with hammers. I could here this guy saying, "We'll build it to last. This floor will never squeak. This floor won't go anywhere. Put another nail in son. Build it to last." Enjoyed your story....sounds like a home I *used* to own....Ross |
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Our house is 45 years old and has had a few floors in the kitchen,
mostly vinyl or linoleum, added one on top the other (not by us). It's due for a new floor so we decided to rip up the generations of previous floors and put down laminate. There were several layers of vinyl then Isn't there an asbestos hazard here? |
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Buck Turgidson wrote:
Our house is 45 years old and has had a few floors in the kitchen, mostly vinyl or linoleum, added one on top the other (not by us). It's due for a new floor so we decided to rip up the generations of previous floors and put down laminate. There were several layers of vinyl then Isn't there an asbestos hazard here? No. There is no such thing as an "asbestos hazard." Urban legend. |
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No. There is no such thing as an "asbestos hazard."
Urban legend. Bizarre.... |
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Marcus:
The nailing pattern they used is the correct one. Complete with the mismatch nails one atop the other, LOL? We're talking hundreds of nails per sheet, seems way overkill for plywood underlayment. Truthfully I was just glad that the plywood wasn't glued down, that was my biggest worry. Judging by the other home improvement projects done by the previous owner, if they did it correctly, it was completely by accident. -- Mac Cool |
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In article , Mac Cool
wrote: Our house is 45 years old and has had a few floors in the kitchen, mostly vinyl or linoleum, added one on top the other (not by us). It's due for a new floor so we decided to rip up the generations of previous floors and put down laminate. There were several layers of vinyl then 1/4" plywood which had started to disintegrate in a few spots. It took 2 of us ~12 hours to rip up 120 sq ft of flooring because of all the nails. The original floor was repaired and patched after a water leak and the plywood was put down to provide a smooth surface for the new linoleum. Whoever put the plywood down (I suspect it was the original homeowner) put nails every 4" in a grid across the center of the plywood, every 1" around the perimeter and half a dozen on each corner. $%&*#@$%%&*!!!!!!!!! There were finishing nails, ring shank nails, and common nails in various sizes. Did I mention that in some places the nails were so dense that we couldn't get a crowbar under the plywood? We had to chip off 1/2" pieces of plywood, pull the nails, then chip off more plywood. The guy must have had a bucket of miscellaneous nails and couple of bored kids with hammers. I could here this guy saying, "We'll build it to last. This floor will never squeak. This floor won't go anywhere. Put another nail in son. Build it to last." Fortunately, the damage that we anticipated was limited to the 1/4" plywood, the floor below is rock solid, flat and level. We'll put down a vapor barrier, then some kind of underlayment, then either Shaw or Armstrong laminate tile floor. Phew! Glad the hard part is over. Make sure you use plenty of nails! -Frank -- fwarner1-at-franksknives-dot-com Here's some of my work: http://www.franksknives.com/ |
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Even if there's asbestos, it's locked into the matrix, rather than each
particle being able to float around and be breathed. Buck Turgidson wrote in message ... Our house is 45 years old and has had a few floors in the kitchen, mostly vinyl or linoleum, added one on top the other (not by us). It's due for a new floor so we decided to rip up the generations of previous floors and put down laminate. There were several layers of vinyl then Isn't there an asbestos hazard here? |
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Frank J Warner:
It took 2 of us ~12 hours to rip up 120 sq ft of flooring Make sure you use plenty of nails! There should be a license to use ring shank nails -- Mac Cool |
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