Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 1:49:05 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/29/2021 12:14 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... I observed the end result of when people were taking the flu shot. After a number of years, the side effects were minimal, so I now will get an annual flu shot. I'm waiting until the covid "vaccine" proves safe before I take that untested shot. Interisting. The wife and I have been taking the flu shot for over 20 years and no problems. This past flu season both the wife and I got the flu about 2 weeks after taking the shot. We were not even around hardly anyone because of the Covid. That will probably be the last time we get a flu shot. We did both get the Covid shots about 2 or 3 months ago. On the 2nd day of the 2nd shot we both were somewhat weak, but it was only for one day. We are both over 70. Same for wife and I but we have never had the flu. Her arm was sore for a couple of days but mine was only slightly achy for a day. She also had a bruise and guy that gave second shot said first was probably a little of and hit something. No effect for either of us on second shot which was two months ago. We got Pfizer vaccine and I hear more instances of side effects with Moderna. I got Moderna. First dose was a sore arm for a couple of days. Second dose was fatigue and fever for less than a day, and a sore arm for a couple of days. Cindy Hamilton |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On 29/04/2021 19:47, wrote:
On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 1:49:05 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 4/29/2021 12:14 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... I observed the end result of when people were taking the flu shot. After a number of years, the side effects were minimal, so I now will get an annual flu shot. I'm waiting until the covid "vaccine" proves safe before I take that untested shot. Interisting. The wife and I have been taking the flu shot for over 20 years and no problems. This past flu season both the wife and I got the flu about 2 weeks after taking the shot. We were not even around hardly anyone because of the Covid. That will probably be the last time we get a flu shot. We did both get the Covid shots about 2 or 3 months ago. On the 2nd day of the 2nd shot we both were somewhat weak, but it was only for one day. We are both over 70. Same for wife and I but we have never had the flu. Her arm was sore for a couple of days but mine was only slightly achy for a day. She also had a bruise and guy that gave second shot said first was probably a little of and hit something. No effect for either of us on second shot which was two months ago. We got Pfizer vaccine and I hear more instances of side effects with Moderna. I got Moderna. First dose was a sore arm for a couple of days. Second dose was fatigue and fever for less than a day, and a sore arm for a couple of days. Cindy Hamilton Just for the record, I've had both doses and got no adverse affects at all. (Astra Zenica) |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On 4/29/2021 9:45 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 4/28/2021 4:23 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/28/2021 6:17 PM, Roger Blake wrote: On 2021-04-28, Frank "frank wrote: I've had my two shots for months now.Â* So has my whole family with exception of 6 year old granddaughter.Â* I think it is stupid not to follow the science and the facts. I do follow the science and the facts - the real ones, not the propaganda doled out by our lying government and mass media. That's why I won't be vaccinated. It is the idiots who are lining up for experimental treatments designed by companies who cannot be sued for any damages that may result. For the rest of us reason, logic, and common sense prevail. Where are you getting the real ones.Â* I hope you don't say Tucker Carlson or Alex Jones. Huckster "Accuse people protecting their families of child support" Carlson is a disgrace to humanity. Oops "child abuse" |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On 4/29/2021 10:35 AM, Frank wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/29/2021 11:24 AM, Maskless Sociopath wrote: Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop. Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse. President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in record time. I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but President Trump did it. Really?Â* I thought the pharmaceutical companies did it.Â* Did not realize he was working in the lab. It was underwriting their research and scale up.Â* He provided the safety net that expedited vaccine development and production. Phizer did not need their "help" to accomplish their vaccine development. |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On 4/29/2021 1:35 PM, Frank wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/29/2021 11:24 AM, Maskless Sociopath wrote: Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop. Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse. President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in record time. I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but President Trump did it. Really?Â* I thought the pharmaceutical companies did it.Â* Did not realize he was working in the lab. It was underwriting their research and scale up.Â* He provided the safety net that expedited vaccine development and production. He didn't do it personally, he used the Government money with approval by Congress. He was a cheerleader though. Not sure why he did. He said the virus would be gone by April. What happened. Hope he did not lie about it. |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:27:08 -0500, Jim Joyce posted for all of us to digest... On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:17:48 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote: On 2021-04-28, Frank "frank wrote: I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to follow the science and the facts. I do follow the science and the facts - the real ones, not the propaganda doled out by our lying government and mass media. That's why I won't be vaccinated. It is the idiots who are lining up for experimental treatments designed by companies who cannot be sued for any damages that may result. For the rest of us reason, logic, and common sense prevail. Maybe they should round up folks like you who are unable or unwilling to use reason, logic, and common sense, and take the lot of you to designated areas around the country where you know what happens next. Does that sound familiar? Mickey(sic) already proposed that. What precisely do you mean when "where you know what happens next." -- Tekkie |
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Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:30:34 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of us to digest... On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 12:02:46 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:53:27 +1000, "Rod Speed" wrote: wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:10:12 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur rip"? Let Darwin decide who dies. The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent overloading hospitals We are there and have been for quite a while in the US. Then it was we need to build herd immunity. Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone who wants the shot can get it. Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear 2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside, all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever needed one) I am with you. Give it a couple of months and when everyone has a chance go get vccanated, go back to normal and let Darwin decide. There was an artical in the local paper about having shots that are not being used because of no takers. Most of the pandemic 'rules' remind me of what a supervisor at work said one time. I what I say may not be correct , but I have to say something, that is my job. I can't speak for the rest of the country but if you want a shot, you can have one here and it has been that way for almost a month. Once supply caught up with demand, the rollout included all of the big commercial pharmacies and the county finally got their act together you just signed up and got your shots. We didn't have to stand in line or play one of those "caller # 99" games on the internet. Now it is just show up and get a shot, like the flu shots. They can't give away all they have available. I think it is time to tell the anti vax folks, "You made your choice, here we come" and throw away these silly masks. The state is already open and has been since last year. The doomsday scenario didn't happen. We get some cases and the numbers rise and fall but the fact is you have as good a chance of dying in your car as you do from dying of Covid here right now (about 50 a week in the last hyped up "spike"). It isnt just about dying, stupid. There is no real stress on the hospitals either. What scares you so bad? 600K dead Americans? People with lung transplants? People still suffering from bizarre effects a year later? Knowing friends of friends, relatives of friends that died? Knowing that while the risks are now lowering, it's far from over? We watched Crocodile Dundee and got the idea Australians were tough but you seem, like pussies scared of everything the more we get to know about you. I guess it was just a movie. I'd say it's more like you're still in denial. Remember a year ago, when you advocated for letting her rip? How many more dead and sick do you think there would have been had that been the policy? Why do you keep living in the past? -- Tekkie |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:21:51 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 posted for all of us to digest... In other words, you're a coward. You're getting the benefit of all those that were vaccinated, while afraid to take a tiny risk, one that pales in comparison to the real, deadly effects of the disease. I just heard a commercial urging people to get vaccinated. It said that this is the first time since WWII that all Americans need to come together for the common good. You're hiding, no surprise there. And with almost 600K Americans DEAD from Covid, we need the vaccine now, not years from now. You got it. Near you it's expiring because they have too much. Ya know some hospital people are refusing it? They have to pay them to take it? You don't stand for freedom of choice, your mantra is "I am lord, I am right, sit down, shut up" sounds familiar from say the 40's thereabout. -- Tekkie |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 12:16:23 -0400, Frank posted for all of us to digest... On 4/29/2021 9:56 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... In other words, you're a coward. You're getting the benefit of all those that were vaccinated, while afraid to take a tiny risk, one that pales in comparison to the real, deadly effects of the disease. I just heard a commercial urging people to get vaccinated. It said that this is the first time since WWII that all Americans need to come together for the common good. You're hiding, no surprise there. And with almost 600K Americans DEAD from Covid, we need the vaccine now, not years from now. There was about 6 to 10 people that developed the blood clots. I just wonder how many were killed or in accidents on the way to get vaccinated ? There are close to 40,000 killed on the highways and hard telling how many with major injuries yet no one is calling for a ban on cars. Over 100,000 people die in the US each year from blood clots which is over twice as many that die of breast cancer. One almost did me in over 20 years ago and the surgeon that removed it told me his father died of a blood clot. Might mention that I hear the DNA technology used by Pfizer and Moderna has been around for maybe 15 years. The J&J uses existing vaccine technology with a weaker or dead virus. Besides underwriting the drug companies vaccine development, warp speed also expedited FDA approval. If you are familiar with the FDA you would find that it can take them years to approve anything, even drugs approved for use in Europe and Japan and numerous other regions. Watch the movie, The Dallas Buyers Club, about HIV drug approvals for a realistic story. Might mention also that it can take three years for the FDA to approve a generic drug. As a retired chemist I can tell you that with proper lab facilities I could approve a generic drug in less than a week. Frank, Frank, Frank you are not a politician and you know too much about the science... Shame on you. -- Tekkie |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce posted for all of us to digest... A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask. Is an open mind too much to ask? -- Tekkie |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:47:22 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 1:49:05 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote: On 4/29/2021 12:14 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... I observed the end result of when people were taking the flu shot. After a number of years, the side effects were minimal, so I now will get an annual flu shot. I'm waiting until the covid "vaccine" proves safe before I take that untested shot. Interisting. The wife and I have been taking the flu shot for over 20 years and no problems. This past flu season both the wife and I got the flu about 2 weeks after taking the shot. We were not even around hardly anyone because of the Covid. That will probably be the last time we get a flu shot. We did both get the Covid shots about 2 or 3 months ago. On the 2nd day of the 2nd shot we both were somewhat weak, but it was only for one day. We are both over 70. Same for wife and I but we have never had the flu. Her arm was sore for a couple of days but mine was only slightly achy for a day. She also had a bruise and guy that gave second shot said first was probably a little of and hit something. No effect for either of us on second shot which was two months ago. We got Pfizer vaccine and I hear more instances of side effects with Moderna. I got Moderna. First dose was a sore arm for a couple of days. Second dose was fatigue and fever for less than a day, and a sore arm for a couple of days. Cindy Hamilton Look at it this way - you know it's doing something and it wasn't a placebo --- |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
Tekkie© writes:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:27:08 -0500, Jim Joyce posted for all of us to digest... On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:17:48 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote: On 2021-04-28, Frank "frank wrote: I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to follow the science and the facts. I do follow the science and the facts - the real ones, not the propaganda doled out by our lying government and mass media. That's why I won't be vaccinated. It is the idiots who are lining up for experimental treatments designed by companies who cannot be sued for any damages that may result. For the rest of us reason, logic, and common sense prevail. Maybe they should round up folks like you who are unable or unwilling to use reason, logic, and common sense, and take the lot of you to designated areas around the country where you know what happens next. Does that sound familiar? Mickey(sic) already proposed that. What precisely do you mean when "where you know what happens next." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covent...short_story%29 |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 01:09:21 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote: "Muggles" wrote in message ... On 4/28/2021 12:34 PM, Bod wrote: On 28/04/2021 18:21, Muggles wrote: On 4/28/2021 9:41 AM, wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:57:10 +0100, Bod wrote: On 28/04/2021 13:50, Frank wr The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive. States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than states that are locked down. You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it. I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been 3 weeks. What else do you want? I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs. We haven't got years to wait, action is needed NOW. Have a look how bad it is in India right now, this because they were too casual with non social distancing and lack of masks etc. They are dying in the streets. India is wall to wall people everywhere. Wrong, as always. They can't social distance. Wrong, as always. There are 450 Indians per square KM and since most live in the cities where the virus is rampant that density is far greater for them. Mumbai has 28,100 people per sq/km. |
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Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 16:14:07 +0100, Bod wrote:
On 29/04/2021 15:38, wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 08:53:34 +0100, Bod wrote: On 29/04/2021 08:06, wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote: Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur rip"? Let Darwin decide who dies. Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and never has. The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent overloading hospitals We are there and have been for quite a while in the US. Then it was we need to build herd immunity. Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone who wants the shot can get it. Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear 2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside, all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever needed one). The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive. States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than states that are locked down. You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it. What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere. I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been 3 weeks. What else do you want? A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask. WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in, and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this advanced stage of his life. I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear. I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am supposed to be immune to now. The vaccine doesn't necessarily make you immune, but it does give you much better protection from the virus. What is sad, is that you may be vaccinated, but you can still be a carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers and the folk who can't be vaccinated for health reasons, thereby perpetuating the constant spread of the virus. So this will never end. Is that what you are saying? Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop. Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse. Actually the breakthrough infections are more likely to produce vaccine tolerant strains. They already know how to defeat the vaccine. |
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Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 01:24:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote: "Muggles" wrote in message ... On 4/28/2021 5:19 PM, Roger Blake wrote: On 2021-04-28, Muggles wrote: I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs. I'm perfectly fine with Leftists stepping up to the plate to take part in these medical experimentation. Jab the lot of 'em. I observed the end result of when people were taking the flu shot. After a number of years, the side effects were minimal, so I now will get an annual flu shot. I'm waiting until the covid "vaccine" proves safe before I take that untested shot. Its a bare faced lie that the covid vaccines are untested. You are almost right. The short term test=s were hurried but they did do most of them The long term tests are going on now, in 143 million Americans. Every day is another test data point. Since drugs typically have 6-10 year test cycles with the FDA, the long term tests will be done in 2027 to 2031. |
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Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:48:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/29/2021 11:24 AM, Maskless Sociopath wrote: Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop. Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse. President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in record time. I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but President Trump did it. Really? I thought the pharmaceutical companies did it. Did not realize he was working in the lab. Trump did what the government always does in these things. He threw a ****load of tax money at them. In fact most of "NIH" research is done in universities and private labs. All NIH does is give them grants. I worked there and the biggest mainframe application was "grants" and managing the data those researchers collected. It was the largest computer operation in the region, only really exceeded nationally by a few banks, airline reservation systems and a federal agency that did not officially exist out at Ft Meade. |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 01:58:49 +1000, "%%" wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 4/29/2021 11:24 AM, Maskless Sociopath wrote: Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop. Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse. President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in record time. I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but President Trump did it. Really? I thought the pharmaceutical companies did it. Did not realize he was working in the lab. And he didnt even pay Pfizer and Moderna to do it either. "All in all, U.S. agencies committed about $2.5 billion to help develop Modernas vaccine and buy doses, according to the New York Times". https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fact-check-moderna-vaccine-funded-by-government-spending-private-donations-and-research-grants/ar-BB1bku1h "The US Department of Health and Human Services and Department of Defense announced on Wednesday a $1.95 billion agreement with Pfizer to produce 100 million doses of a Covid-19 vaccine in the United States." https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/health/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-government-contract/index.html "A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon we are talking about real money" - William Proxmire |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 12:14:09 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... I observed the end result of when people were taking the flu shot. After a number of years, the side effects were minimal, so I now will get an annual flu shot. I'm waiting until the covid "vaccine" proves safe before I take that untested shot. Interisting. The wife and I have been taking the flu shot for over 20 years and no problems. This past flu season both the wife and I got the flu about 2 weeks after taking the shot. We were not even around hardly anyone because of the Covid. That will probably be the last time we get a flu shot. We did both get the Covid shots about 2 or 3 months ago. On the 2nd day of the 2nd shot we both were somewhat weak, but it was only for one day. We are both over 70. I was a little woozy after the first Pfizer shot, nothing after the second one. |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:31:51 -0500, Muggles wrote:
On 4/29/2021 10:26 AM, Rod Speed wrote: "Muggles" wrote in message ... On 4/29/2021 2:06 AM, wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote: A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask. Â* WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in, and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this advanced stage of his life. I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear. I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am supposed to be immune to now. I decided a long time ago I wouldn't live in fear. It isnt about fear, its about sensible precautions. It isn't? Sure comes across that way... 'TAKE THE SHOT OR DIE! IF YOU DON'T TAKE THE SHOT, YOU'RE GOING TO KILL OTHER PEOPLE!" Since, I can't wear masks, Another bare faced lie. I can't wear masks. Get a face shield. It shuts up the mask nazis and you can still breathe. I have to wear a mask at the PT place my FIL goes to and it ****s up my sinuses for a couple hours. BTW the PT guy a Dr in Physical Therapy who has a blood oxygen monitor on people while they exercise says a mask will drop the O2 level a percent or two. He suggested my FIL take off his mask for a few minutes and I saw the level rise. He just wanted to be sure it was just the mask and not another issue. Since we were all fully vaccinated he said it wasn't a problem. |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:43:19 -0700, Bob F wrote:
On 4/28/2021 4:16 AM, Larry wrote: On 4/28/21 4:39 AM, Bod wrote: A single dose of a coronavirus vaccine can reduce household transmission of the virus by up to half, a study shows. Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines - and who became infected three weeks later - were between 38% and 49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated people, PHE found. In the study, protection against Covid was seen from about 14 days after vaccination, with similar levels of protection regardless of age of cases or contacts, PHE said in a statement. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993 Another good reason to get the vaccine. This sends a message to all of the antvaxxers. **** the commie leftist maskhole nazicrats! You actually think I'm going to voluntarily take a shot of no-liability experimental gene therapy? To hell with the people you infect also? If they are vaccinated, how will he pose any danger to them at all? |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:49:49 -0700, Bob F wrote:
On 4/29/2021 8:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/29/2021 11:24 AM, Maskless Sociopath wrote: Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop. Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse. President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in record time. I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but President Trump did it. Really?Â* I thought the pharmaceutical companies did it.Â* Did not realize he was working in the lab. Exactly. As always, trump just claimed credit for something he had little to do with. The $3.5 billion and trimming a little off the onerous FDA process certainly got the vaccine out about 6 years ahead of the normal pace. The pipeline was full by the time Trump left office. |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 10:04:30 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 11:24:46 AM UTC-4, Maskless Sociopath wrote: On 4/29/2021 11:14 AM, Bod wrote: On 29/04/2021 15:38, wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 08:53:34 +0100, Bod wrote: On 29/04/2021 08:06, wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote: Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur rip"? Let Darwin decide who dies. Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and never has. The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent overloading hospitals We are there and have been for quite a while in the US. Then it was we need to build herd immunity. Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone who wants the shot can get it. Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear 2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside, all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever needed one). The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive. States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than states that are locked down. You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it. What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere. I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been 3 weeks. What else do you want? A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask. WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in, and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this advanced stage of his life. I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear. I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am supposed to be immune to now. The vaccine doesn't necessarily make you immune, but it does give you much better protection from the virus. What is sad, is that you may be vaccinated, but you can still be a carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers and the folk who can't be vaccinated for health reasons, thereby perpetuating the constant spread of the virus. So this will never end. Is that what you are saying? Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop. Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse. President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in record time. I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but President Trump did it. Yes, all those nights alone in the lab, cranking out dose after dose. You're an idiot. Cindy Hamilton No, he had people in the Fed printing money and he had FDA trimming a lot of fat off the approval process. You folks make it sound like Fauci was actually doing something tho besides the scare of the week. Absolutely ZERO came out of 9000 Rockville Pike (NIH) except conflicting advice and gloomy predictions. |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 12:38:06 -0700, Bob F wrote:
On 4/29/2021 10:35 AM, Frank wrote: On 4/29/2021 11:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/29/2021 11:24 AM, Maskless Sociopath wrote: Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop. Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse. President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in record time. I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but President Trump did it. Really?Â* I thought the pharmaceutical companies did it.Â* Did not realize he was working in the lab. It was underwriting their research and scale up.Â* He provided the safety net that expedited vaccine development and production. Phizer did not need their "help" to accomplish their vaccine development. Berlin helped them. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...not-washington "Partner BioNTech received $445 million from German government" Trump did give them $1.95 Billion to ramp up production. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/healt...act/index.html I know better not to say anything anymore without some liberal web site to back me up. |
More Heavy Trolling by the Senile Octogenarian Nym-Shifting Ozzie Cretin!
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:25:53 +1000, %%, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- FredXX to Rodent Speed: "You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity and criminality is inherited after all?" Message-ID: |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 01:02:53 +1000, "Rod Speed" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 08:53:34 +0100, Bod wrote: On 29/04/2021 08:06, wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote: Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur rip"? Let Darwin decide who dies. Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and never has. The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent overloading hospitals We are there and have been for quite a while in the US. Then it was we need to build herd immunity. Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone who wants the shot can get it. Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear 2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside, all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever needed one). The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive. States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than states that are locked down. You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it. What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere. I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been 3 weeks. What else do you want? A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask. WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in, and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this advanced stage of his life. I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear. I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am supposed to be immune to now. The vaccine doesn't necessarily make you immune, but it does give you much better protection from the virus. What is sad, is that you may be vaccinated, but you can still be a carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers and the folk who can't be vaccinated for health reasons, thereby perpetuating the constant spread of the virus. So this will never end. Wrong, all you need for 90s% to be vaccinated to see the virus no longer relevant. I doubt you will get 90% in the most compliant countries Yes, you actually are that stupid. and the US is not one of them. We typically only get around half who take the Flu shot That's because it isnt very reliable at all and only works about half the time and has the hassle of having to be done every year. I already rubbed your stupid nose in the vaccination rate of the other serious infective diseases in the USA. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pi...g/coverage.pdf That's actually been 96% with DTP3+ and that is a well established vaccine. But by far the least useful one and by far the biggest nuisance due to the need for an annual shot. Australia doesn't do much better than us with the Flu vaccine. For the same reason. As of 2 days ago you had only given out around 7 doses per 100 people and some of those people got 2 doses so the real number of vaccinated is lower than that. https://tradingeconomics.com/austral...ccination-rate Because we have almost no community transmission of covid, so there is no urgency about that. The US has 142,692,987 people with at least one shot. 89,988,424 have been fully vaccinated. (as of yesterday https://usafacts.org/visualizations/...racker-states/ Because you have had 600K+ killed by the virus. We also have over 15 million who have immunity from getting and recovering from Covid and those are just the ones who sought medical care. If Fauci's original guess is right that 80% will recover without medical care that will be more like 50 million. Even a conservative estimate would say that of the 250 million adults in the US close to 2/3ds have some degree of immunity right now. 142 from vaccination and a very conservative estimate of 20 million who had the virus, recovered and haven't been vaccinated. You can't really compare your experience with ours. Never did anything of the sort with vaccination. |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:35:59 -0500, Muggles wrote:
A close friend was hospitalized when he had pneumonia and a blood infection. It's sad when a virus weakens the body so much even a trivial pneumonia can become a septicemia. What was the virus that almost killed him? AIDS? Who passed it to him, you? You never were much in favor of preventing the transmission of deadly diseases to your "close friends", were you? I expect you have the same approach to COVID. Let me guess. You don't even wear a mask, do you? No? That's the Jenn I know! You haven't changed at all. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 01:09:21 +1000, "Rod Speed" wrote: "Muggles" wrote in message ... On 4/28/2021 12:34 PM, Bod wrote: On 28/04/2021 18:21, Muggles wrote: On 4/28/2021 9:41 AM, wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:57:10 +0100, Bod wrote: On 28/04/2021 13:50, Frank wr The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive. States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than states that are locked down. You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it. I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been 3 weeks. What else do you want? I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs. We haven't got years to wait, action is needed NOW. Have a look how bad it is in India right now, this because they were too casual with non social distancing and lack of masks etc. They are dying in the streets. India is wall to wall people everywhere. Wrong, as always. They can't social distance. Wrong, as always. There are 450 Indians per square KM and since most live in the cities where the virus is rampant that density is far greater for them. Mumbai has 28,100 people per sq/km. They can still do social distancing. But the problem with this virus is aerosols, not social distancing, particularly indoors. |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 16:14:07 +0100, Bod wrote: On 29/04/2021 15:38, wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 08:53:34 +0100, Bod wrote: On 29/04/2021 08:06, wrote: On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote: Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur rip"? Let Darwin decide who dies. Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and never has. The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent overloading hospitals We are there and have been for quite a while in the US. Then it was we need to build herd immunity. Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone who wants the shot can get it. Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear 2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside, all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever needed one). The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive. States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than states that are locked down. You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it. What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere. I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been 3 weeks. What else do you want? A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask. WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in, and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this advanced stage of his life. I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear. I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am supposed to be immune to now. The vaccine doesn't necessarily make you immune, but it does give you much better protection from the virus. What is sad, is that you may be vaccinated, but you can still be a carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers and the folk who can't be vaccinated for health reasons, thereby perpetuating the constant spread of the virus. So this will never end. Is that what you are saying? Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop. Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse. Actually the breakthrough infections are more likely to produce vaccine tolerant strains. Wrong, its ****ed immune systems that do that. They already know how to defeat the vaccine. They arent defeating the vaccine, they are exploiting ****ed immune systems. |
UNBELIEVABLE: It's 08:24 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for OVER SEVEN HOURS already!!!! LOL
On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:24:57 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread 08:24??? LOL So you sick senile swine have been up and trolling for OVER SEVEN HOURS, ALL NIGHT LONG, yet AGAIN! Just HOW sick are you, you sick sociopathic swine? -- Richard addressing senile Rodent Speed: "**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll." MID: |
Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the abnormal senile cretin's latest troll**** unread -- addressing nym-shifting senile Rodent: "You on the other hand are a heavyweight bull****ter who demonstrates his particular prowess at it every day." MID: |
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:27:08 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- John addressing the senile Australian pest: "You are a complete idiot. But you make me larf. LOL" MID: |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 01:24:03 +1000, "Rod Speed" wrote: "Muggles" wrote in message ... On 4/28/2021 5:19 PM, Roger Blake wrote: On 2021-04-28, Muggles wrote: I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs. I'm perfectly fine with Leftists stepping up to the plate to take part in these medical experimentation. Jab the lot of 'em. I observed the end result of when people were taking the flu shot. After a number of years, the side effects were minimal, so I now will get an annual flu shot. I'm waiting until the covid "vaccine" proves safe before I take that untested shot. Its a bare faced lie that the covid vaccines are untested. You are almost right. I am completely right, its a bare faced lie that the covid vaccines are untested. The short term test=s were hurried Thats a bare faced lie with the west. All they did is get moving very quickly with the testing and could do that because there was so much virus around. It was only russian and china that didnt bother with thorough testing before use was approved and it turned out that their vaccines dont have major downsides anyway which isnt surprising because they are much more traditional vaccines. but they did do most of them They did all of them, just quicker than usual because there was so much virus around and running the phase 1 and 2 in parallel. And are now testing using a different vaccine for each jab. The long term tests are going on now, in 143 million Americans. Thats not a test, thats observation. Every day is another test data point. Nope, another case observed. Since drugs typically have 6-10 year test cycles with the FAD, the long term tests will be done in 2027 to 2031. More pig ignorant bull****. |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 01:58:49 +1000, "%%" wrote: "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... On 4/29/2021 11:24 AM, Maskless Sociopath wrote: Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop. Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse. President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in record time. I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but President Trump did it. Really? I thought the pharmaceutical companies did it. Did not realize he was working in the lab. And he didnt even pay Pfizer and Moderna to do it either. "All in all, U.S. agencies committed about $2.5 billion to help develop Modernas vaccine and buy doses, according to the New York Times". https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fact-check-moderna-vaccine-funded-by-government-spending-private-donations-and-research-grants/ar-BB1bku1h Thats committing to buying doses, stupid. "The US Department of Health and Human Services and Department of Defense announced on Wednesday a $1.95 billion agreement with Pfizer to produce 100 million doses of a Covid-19 vaccine in the United States." https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/health/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-government-contract/index.html Ditto. |
Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study
wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:43:19 -0700, Bob F wrote: On 4/28/2021 4:16 AM, Larry wrote: On 4/28/21 4:39 AM, Bod wrote: A single dose of a coronavirus vaccine can reduce household transmission of the virus by up to half, a study shows. Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines - and who became infected three weeks later - were between 38% and 49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated people, PHE found. In the study, protection against Covid was seen from about 14 days after vaccination, with similar levels of protection regardless of age of cases or contacts, PHE said in a statement. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993 Another good reason to get the vaccine. This sends a message to all of the antvaxxers. **** the commie leftist maskhole nazicrats! You actually think I'm going to voluntarily take a shot of no-liability experimental gene therapy? To hell with the people you infect also? If they are vaccinated, how will he pose any danger to them at all? Not everyone's immune system becomes immune to the virus. |
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