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Is my builder shafting me with the AC unit he selected?
Hi
I bought a new house from one of these bulk builders. THe house is a two story house with two separate A/C units. I have been having some trouble in the summer here in Florida with the unit upstairs. While it cools adequetely, it seems to stay on all the time. Ie it does not cycle on or off like a normal A/C when it is set at any temperature below 77 degrees. The fact that it stays on continuously concerns me as I suspect that this will ultimately affect its useful life. In either case after bringing out the A/C company three times they think it is quite normal and ok considering it is the summer and we are in Florida. Not being satisfied, I went down the street and noted that the A/C units that were used in an exact house like mine from the same builder were a bit bigger and more efficient. Now the house was more recently built so I think that may explain why they have more efficient units especially with the EPA continuously increasing the standard. HOwever I am curious to know why they installed a larger unit in the other house. My question is whether the differences in the unit are large enough to warrant further inquiry or if the differences are trivial. I am just a lay man so I dont know what is a significant btu/h difference. In either case, I have a regular unit and a heat pump unit whereas the house I am comparing had two heat pump units. Here are the specs of the two units in my house: Lennox - 10ACC-036 10.9 Seers Cooling - 27,600 - 29,000 btu/h Lennox - 10HPB30 10.5 Seers HSPF IV 6.95 / V - 5.95 Cooling 28,000 - 29,800 btu/h Heating 25,400 - 26,000 btu/h The house I compared had two heat pump units that were the same size. The spec of them were as follows: Lennox - 12HPB30 (x 2) 12 Seers HSPF IV 8.2 / V - 7.25 Cooling 28,400 - 31,000 btu/h Heating 29,600 - 30,400 btu/h So the question is whether the differences in cooling and heating between my units and the units on the comparison house are significant enough to explain the problem I am facing. Any other comments appreciated. Thanks jasguild |
jas kim wrote:
Hi I bought a new house from one of these bulk builders. THe house is a two story house with two separate A/C units. I have been having some trouble in the summer here in Florida with the unit upstairs. While it cools adequetely, it seems to stay on all the time. Ie it does not cycle on or off like a normal A/C when it is set at any temperature below 77 degrees. The fact that it stays on continuously concerns me as I suspect that this will ultimately affect its useful life. Being on all the time, as long as it does cool properly is not a defect and it means you should be getting very good humidity control, which you would not get if it were oversized. It is difficult to say if it really is too large or small without an on site look. When you are looking at the "larger" unit down the street is it physically larger? It is only 0.6% more capacity, which is nothing. The physically larger part has more to do with the higher SEER than the increased capacity. -- Joseph E. Meehan 26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math |
"jas kim" wrote in message While it cools adequetely, it seems to stay on all the time. Ie it does not cycle on or off like a normal A/C when it is set at any temperature below 77 degrees. The fact that it stays on continuously concerns me as I suspect that this will ultimately affect its useful life. Not being satisfied, I went down the street and noted that the A/C units that were used in an exact house like mine from the same builder were a bit bigger and more efficient. The slightly larger size should not make a huge difference. The upstairs unit will run longer as there is a greater heat load from the sun on the roof. Running longer will also dehumidify better. Thee is such a thing as having too large of a unit. To determine if yours is correct, you'd have to run a Manual J check to determine the load. The builder may have the information you need. You can also ask for information an alt.hvac ;) |
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"jas kim" wrote in message While it cools adequetely, it seems to stay on all the time. Ie it does not cycle on or off like a normal A/C when it is set at any temperature below 77 degrees. The fact that it stays on continuously concerns me as I suspect that this will ultimately affect its useful life. Not being satisfied, I went down the street and noted that the A/C units that were used in an exact house like mine from the same builder were a bit bigger and more efficient. The slightly larger size should not make a huge difference. The upstairs unit will run longer as there is a greater heat load from the sun on the roof. Running longer will also dehumidify better. Thee is such a thing as having too large of a unit. To determine if yours is correct, you'd have to run a Manual J check to determine the load. The builder may have the information you need. You can also ask for information an alt.hvac ;) (Don't ask there!) Have the manual J done, or reevaluate it if already done! There could be several factors causing the system to not be transferring its rated BTUH of heat to the outside! A HREF="http://www.udarrell.com/my_pages2.htm#MY_AIR_CONDITIONING_PAGES" If you do some homework studying you may find some things that are not up to snuff! Print and give to your A/C tech. He will probably say it is trash, ha. First, check the temperature rise off the condenser, and let us know what the readings are! udarrell Darrell |
"jas kim" wrote in message om... Hi I bought a new house from one of these bulk builders. THe house is a two story house with two separate A/C units. I have been having some trouble in the summer here in Florida with the unit upstairs. While it cools adequetely, it seems to stay on all the time. Ie it does not cycle on or off like a normal A/C when it is set at any temperature below 77 degrees. The fact that it stays on continuously concerns me as I suspect that this will ultimately affect its useful life. In either case after bringing out the A/C company three times they think it is quite normal and ok considering it is the summer and we are in Florida. Not being satisfied, I went down the street and noted that the A/C units that were used in an exact house like mine from the same builder were a bit bigger and more efficient. Now the house was more recently built so I think that may explain why they have more efficient units especially with the EPA continuously increasing the standard. HOwever I am curious to know why they installed a larger unit in the other house. My question is whether the differences in the unit are large enough to warrant further inquiry or if the differences are trivial. I am just a lay man so I dont know what is a significant btu/h difference. In either case, I have a regular unit and a heat pump unit whereas the house I am comparing had two heat pump units. Here are the specs of the two units in my house: Lennox - 10ACC-036 10.9 Seers Cooling - 27,600 - 29,000 btu/h Lennox - 10HPB30 10.5 Seers HSPF IV 6.95 / V - 5.95 Cooling 28,000 - 29,800 btu/h Heating 25,400 - 26,000 btu/h The house I compared had two heat pump units that were the same size. The spec of them were as follows: Lennox - 12HPB30 (x 2) 12 Seers HSPF IV 8.2 / V - 7.25 Cooling 28,400 - 31,000 btu/h Heating 29,600 - 30,400 btu/h So the question is whether the differences in cooling and heating between my units and the units on the comparison house are significant enough to explain the problem I am facing. Any other comments appreciated. Thanks jasguild Did the guy down the street pay for an upgraded unit? Even an 12 seer is no bargain in today's market. There are units getting close to 20 out there now. As for the upstairs unit running all of the time. Yeah that is what is going to happen when heat rises. In the winter the bottom will run longer. One of the biggest reasons for me not to own an 2 story home. Unless you can shut off the stair well your always going to have heat rising. I worked on an 2 story home in Arizona once had a 5 ton down and 3 ton up. The 3 ton never shut off during the summer months. The owner finally tired of the $800 a month electric bills remodeled the 6 month old home with doors at the top of the stairs so that the upstairs unit would cycle during the summer. The upstairs unit quit working on the third year. If you planning on staying in the home check the insulation in the attic. At the beginning of the summer I added R-19 to my attic, (home built in 1999) I am new to the home, previous owner had bills of $250 a month. My high so far is $154 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004 |
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote You can also ask for information an alt.hvac ;) Or you could STFU and let those from that group respond here in the appropriate forum rather than send this person to the wrong NG. - Robert |
American Mechanical wrote:
...you could STFU and let those from that group respond here in the appropriate forum rather than send this person to the wrong NG. There's nothing wrong with asking hvac questions in hvac groups. Here's one for you: Greg wrote: I am looking for something a little more efficient than a clothes line. Has anyone seen plans for some closed loop dryer that can cope with the RH you see in the sub tropics? How about a little greenhouse? Hang a piece of plastic over an EW line between two poles, then string another line below it. Leave the ends of the tent mostly open. How open? If they are completely closed, the water vapor never escapes. If they are completely open, the greenhouse adds nothing, compared to a clothesline. Nick |
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message news:Pik%c.1128$9P4.905@trndny02... | | "jas kim" wrote in message | While | it cools adequetely, it seems to stay on all the time. Ie it does not | cycle on or off like a normal A/C when it is set at any temperature | below 77 degrees. snip | | You can also ask for information an alt.hvac ;) | Best put on your asbestos suit before posting any questions to alt.hvac being just a mere mortal. |
bill wrote:
American Mechanical wrote: ...you could STFU and let those from that group respond here in the appropriate forum rather than send this person to the wrong NG. There's nothing wrong with asking hvac questions in hvac groups. Except in the minds of the arrogant lots who wrongly claim otherwise :-) Here's one for you: Greg wrote: I am looking for something a little more efficient than a clothes line. Has anyone seen plans for some closed loop dryer that can cope with the RH you see in the sub tropics? How about a little greenhouse? Hang a piece of plastic over an EW line between two poles, then string another line below it. Leave the ends of the tent mostly open. How open? If they are completely closed, the water vapor never escapes. If they are completely open, the greenhouse adds nothing, compared to a clothesline. Nick you are a ****tard. Sci.engr heat-vent-ac. Keep your moaners **** in alt.HOME.repair where it belongs. Who says? :-) You are also invited to answer this hvac science and engineering question. Be sure to compare the drying rate to an outdoor clothesline and include the effects of condensation, if anticipated. Nick |
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"tgilb" wrote in message link.net... "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message news:Pik%c.1128$9P4.905@trndny02... | | "jas kim" wrote in message | While | it cools adequetely, it seems to stay on all the time. Ie it does not | cycle on or off like a normal A/C when it is set at any temperature | below 77 degrees. snip | | You can also ask for information an alt.hvac ;) | Best put on your asbestos suit before posting any questions to alt.hvac being just a mere mortal. Why? Oh..thats right....alt.hvac is not for homeowners, and thats why many of us post here too.. |
"American Mechanical" wrote in message om... "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote You can also ask for information an alt.hvac ;) Or you could STFU and let those from that group respond here in the appropriate forum rather than send this person to the wrong NG. - Robert Why? I've met a few guys from that group and they are a rather sociable bunch. |
"Steve@carolinabreezehvac"
wrote: Best put on your asbestos suit before posting any questions to alt.hvac being just a mere mortal. Why? Oh..thats right....alt.hvac is not for homeowners, and thats why many of us post here too.. Now how would your average newsgroup reader know this? Alt.hvac seems like the place to ask about hvac stuff, until they get flamed for asking a reasonable question, email to (remove the "notreal-") |
"CR" wrote in message Now how would your average newsgroup reader know this? Alt.hvac seems like the place to ask about hvac stuff, until they get flamed for asking a reasonable question, If the hvac guys wanted to keep the group on a professional level, they should call the newsgroup alt.hvac.professional Instead, a few of the members take delight in flaming anyone from outside that asks a question, even it if is hvac related. Unless the group is moderated, I don't see how they can prevent others reading/posting to the group. |
Greg wrote:
I am looking for something a little more efficient than a clothes line. Has anyone seen plans for some closed loop dryer that can cope with the RH you see in the sub tropics? How about a little greenhouse? Hang a piece of plastic over an EW line between two poles, then string another line below it. Leave the ends of the tent mostly open. How open? If they are completely closed, the water vapor never escapes. If they are completely open, the greenhouse adds nothing, compared to a clothesline. Don Ocean and and PJM are also invited to answer this hvac science and engineering question. Please compare the drying rate to an outdoor clothesline and include the effects of condensation, if anticipated. For the sake of definiteness, if Greg wants to remove 12 pounds of water from 12 pounds of clothes with 400 ft^2 of surface (both sides) in minimal time in full sun in August in Key Largo, when it's 84 F and w = 0.0185, using a 16'x16' R1 greenhouse with 90% solar transmission, how many cfm of outdoor air should flow through the greenhouse? Nick |
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bill wrote:
Don Ocean and and PJM are also invited to answer this hvac science and engineering question. Please compare the drying rate to an outdoor clothesline and include the effects of condensation, if anticipated. For the sake of definiteness, if Greg wants to remove 12 pounds of water from 12 pounds of clothes with 400 ft^2 of surface (both sides) in minimal time in full sun in August in Key Largo, when it's 84 F and w = 0.0185, using a 16'x16' R1 greenhouse with 90% solar transmission, how many cfm of outdoor air should flow through the greenhouse? Just what makes you think sci.engr.heat-vent-ac is interested or the appropriate place to discuss clothes drying? It's a matter of basic HVAC science and engineering. Chapter 28 of the ASHRAE Applications handbook is all about drying, drying times, and so on. The SCI.ENGR.heat-vent-ac group should eagerly welcome such basic questions. What are your answers? Nick |
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:40:58 GMT, bill
wrote: In article , wrote: Don Ocean and and PJM are also invited to answer this hvac science and engineering question. Please compare the drying rate to an outdoor clothesline and include the effects of condensation, if anticipated. For the sake of definiteness, if Greg wants to remove 12 pounds of water from 12 pounds of clothes with 400 ft^2 of surface (both sides) in minimal time in full sun in August in Key Largo, when it's 84 F and w = 0.0185, using a 16'x16' R1 greenhouse with 90% solar transmission, how many cfm of outdoor air should flow through the greenhouse? Nick Get help , Nick. Psychiatric help. Maybe they can help you do something useful with what remains of your life. This is for you to answer Nick. Just what makes you think sci.engr.heat-vent-ac is interested or the appropriate place to discuss clothes drying? Your mother drop you on your head or are you so desparate for attention you have to post ****? Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/ |
bill wrote:
Don Ocean and and PJM are also invited to answer this hvac science and engineering question. Please compare the drying rate to an outdoor clothesline and include the effects of condensation, if anticipated. For the sake of definiteness, if Greg wants to remove 12 pounds of water from 12 pounds of clothes with 400 ft^2 of surface (both sides) in minimal time in full sun in August in Key Largo, when it's 84 F and w = 0.0185, using a 16'x16' R1 greenhouse with 90% solar transmission, how many cfm of outdoor air should flow through the greenhouse? Just what makes you think sci.engr.heat-vent-ac is interested or the appropriate place to discuss clothes drying? Where ELSE would we discuss this question? :-) It's a matter of basic HVAC science and engineering. Chapter 28 of the ASHRAE Applications handbook is all about drying, drying times, and so on. The SCI.ENGR.heat-vent-ac group should eagerly welcome such basic questions. ...There isn't a single mention of clothes or dryer in the 2000 version. And as far as I can tell. Except for venting of a clothes dryer, there is absolutely nothing on "drying, drying times, and so on" of clothes in ASHRAE books anywhere. My 1991 Applications book has drying hygrometry and drying time calcs on pages 28.1 and 28.2... Care to explain that? Chapter 28 applies to all kinds of drying, as we can see from some of the references, eg Bell, J. R., and P. Grosberg. 1962. The movement of vapor and moisture during the falling rate period of drying of thick textile materials. Journal of the Textile Institute, Transactions 53(5):T250; ABIPC 33: 72, and Nissan, AH. 1968. Drying of sheet materials. Textile Research Journal 38:447. Now then, got any answers? Nick |
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Ahh. Now I see what the problem is. Some fool who thinks this forum
belongs to him got his panties in a wad because a lay person (that would be me) posted a lay question (that would be mine) on this site. Let me explain. I am the original poster. I know nothing about A/c except that mine was not blowing to my expectation. I came online like I normally do and read a bit before I posted. Then I looked at the newsgroup that have discussions about a/c. Then I posted on such newsgroup asking some non technical questions but after some research. (I can only imagine what the reaction would have been if I had not done a bit of research before I asked my question). I apologize for not being an expert and hurting anyone's feeling for posting on "their" newsgroup. My intent was just to get some answers. jasguild "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message om... "CR" wrote in message Now how would your average newsgroup reader know this? Alt.hvac seems like the place to ask about hvac stuff, until they get flamed for asking a reasonable question, If the hvac guys wanted to keep the group on a professional level, they should call the newsgroup alt.hvac.professional Instead, a few of the members take delight in flaming anyone from outside that asks a question, even it if is hvac related. Unless the group is moderated, I don't see how they can prevent others reading/posting to the group. |
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Don Ocean and and PJM are also invited to answer this hvac science and engineering question. Please compare the drying rate to an outdoor clothesline and include the effects of condensation, if anticipated. For the sake of definiteness, if Greg wants to remove 12 pounds of water from 12 pounds of clothes with 400 ft^2 of surface (both sides) in minimal time in full sun in August in Key Largo, when it's 84 F and w = 0.0185, using a 16'x16' R1 greenhouse with 90% solar transmission, how many cfm of outdoor air should flow through the greenhouse? Get help , Nick. Psychiatric help... Do I play gatekeeper in unmoderated newsgroups? :-) Nick |
bill wrote:
Where ELSE would we discuss this question? :-) Alt.clothes, alt.clothing for starters. I disagree. What do they know of I. S. Bowen's 1926 equation? It's a matter of basic HVAC science and engineering. Chapter 28 of the ASHRAE Applications handbook is all about drying, drying times, and so on. The SCI.ENGR.heat-vent-ac group should eagerly welcome such basic questions. ...There isn't a single mention of clothes or dryer in the 2000 version. And as far as I can tell. Except for venting of a clothes dryer, there is absolutely nothing on "drying, drying times, and so on" of clothes in ASHRAE books anywhere. My 1991 Applications book has drying hygrometry and drying time calcs on pages 28.1 and 28.2... Care to explain that? Chapter 28 applies to all kinds of drying, as we can see from some of the references, eg Bell, J. R., and P. Grosberg. 1962. The movement of vapor and moisture during the falling rate period of drying of thick textile materials. Journal of the Textile Institute, Transactions 53(5):T250; ABIPC 33: 72 and Nissan, AH. 1968. Drying of sheet materials. Textile Research Journal 38:447. Clothes drying references? Where are they? See above, at the end of Chapter 28. Perhaps it's time to stop your silly gatekeeper games and answer the question, if you can. If not, your silence will suffice. If Greg wants to remove 12 pounds of water from 12 pounds of clothes with 400 ft^2 of surface (both sides) in minimal time in full sun in August in Key Largo, when it's 84 F and w = 0.0185, using a 16'x16' R1 greenhouse with 90% solar transmission, how many cfm of outdoor air need flow through the greenhouse? With no ventilation, the water vapor never escapes. Too much, and the greenhouse adds nothing, compared to a clothesline. Please compare the drying rate to an outdoor clothesline and include the effects of condensation, if anticipated. Nick |
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bill wrote:
...Perhaps it's time to stop your silly gatekeeper games and answer the question, if you can. If not, your silence will suffice. If Greg wants to remove 12 pounds of water from 12 pounds of clothes with 400 ft^2 of surface (both sides) in minimal time in full sun in August in Key Largo, when it's 84 F and w = 0.0185, using a 16'x16' R1 greenhouse with 90% solar transmission, how many cfm of outdoor air need flow through the greenhouse? With no ventilation, the water vapor never escapes. Too much, and the greenhouse adds nothing, compared to a clothesline. Please compare the drying rate to an outdoor clothesline and include the effects of condensation, if anticipated. You are posting to alt.solar.thermal and alt.home.repair Leave sci.engr.heat-vent-ac off your ****ing clothesline bull****. No thanks. It's entirely on-topic. What isn't on-topic is personal attacks, laughable bullying wrongful attempts to control an ummoderated newsgroup, and amusing credential wars in which guys with wrenches in hand and grease on their faces attempt to construe real engineers as "unprofessional" :-) Nick |
Don Ocean wrote:
wrote: bill wrote: Where ELSE would we discuss this question? :-) Alt.clothes, alt.clothing for starters. I disagree. What do they know of I. S. Bowen's 1926 equation? It's a matter of basic HVAC science and engineering. Chapter 28 of the ASHRAE Applications book is all about drying, drying times, and so on. The SCI.ENGR.heat-vent-ac group should eagerly welcome such basic questions. ...There isn't a single mention of clothes or dryer in the 2000 version. And as far as I can tell. Except for venting of a clothes dryer, there is absolutely nothing on "drying, drying times, and so on" of clothes in ASHRAE books anywhere. My 1991 Applications book has drying hygrometry and drying time calcs on pages 28.1 and 28.2... Care to explain that? Chapter 28 applies to all kinds of drying, as we can see from some of the references, eg Bell, J. R., and P. Grosberg. 1962. The movement of vapor and moisture during the falling rate period of drying of thick textile materials. Journal of the Textile Institute, Transactions 53(5):T250; ABIPC 33: 72 and Nissan, AH. 1968. Drying of sheet materials. Textile Research Journal 38:447. Clothes drying references? Where are they? See above, at the end of Chapter 28. Perhaps it's time to stop your silly gatekeeper games and answer the question, if you can. If not, your silence will suffice. If Greg wants to remove 12 pounds of water from 12 pounds of clothes with 400 ft^2 of surface (both sides) in minimal time in full sun in August in Key Largo, when it's 84 F and w = 0.0185, using a 16'x16' R1 greenhouse with 90% solar transmission, how many cfm of outdoor air need flow through the greenhouse? With no ventilation, the water vapor never escapes. Too much, and the greenhouse adds nothing, compared to a clothesline. Please compare the drying rate to an outdoor clothesline and include the effects of condensation, if anticipated. I have a better question: How many liberal assholes like you blowing smoke can dry those same clothes in one-half hour? ;-p ***Please note that I delete all but the pertinent news group!*** I'm happy to repost this to display your good will and erudition. Nick |
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*PLONK* "Nick Pine" wrote in message ... Don Ocean wrote: wrote: bill wrote: Where ELSE would we discuss this question? :-) Alt.clothes, alt.clothing for starters. I disagree. What do they know of I. S. Bowen's 1926 equation? It's a matter of basic HVAC science and engineering. Chapter 28 of the ASHRAE Applications book is all about drying, drying times, and so on. The SCI.ENGR.heat-vent-ac group should eagerly welcome such basic questions. ...There isn't a single mention of clothes or dryer in the 2000 version. And as far as I can tell. Except for venting of a clothes dryer, there is absolutely nothing on "drying, drying times, and so on" of clothes in ASHRAE books anywhere. My 1991 Applications book has drying hygrometry and drying time calcs on pages 28.1 and 28.2... Care to explain that? Chapter 28 applies to all kinds of drying, as we can see from some of the references, eg Bell, J. R., and P. Grosberg. 1962. The movement of vapor and moisture during the falling rate period of drying of thick textile materials. Journal of the Textile Institute, Transactions 53(5):T250; ABIPC 33: 72 and Nissan, AH. 1968. Drying of sheet materials. Textile Research Journal 38:447. Clothes drying references? Where are they? See above, at the end of Chapter 28. Perhaps it's time to stop your silly gatekeeper games and answer the question, if you can. If not, your silence will suffice. If Greg wants to remove 12 pounds of water from 12 pounds of clothes with 400 ft^2 of surface (both sides) in minimal time in full sun in August in Key Largo, when it's 84 F and w = 0.0185, using a 16'x16' R1 greenhouse with 90% solar transmission, how many cfm of outdoor air need flow through the greenhouse? With no ventilation, the water vapor never escapes. Too much, and the greenhouse adds nothing, compared to a clothesline. Please compare the drying rate to an outdoor clothesline and include the effects of condensation, if anticipated. I have a better question: How many liberal assholes like you blowing smoke can dry those same clothes in one-half hour? ;-p ***Please note that I delete all but the pertinent news group!*** I'm happy to repost this to display your good will and erudition. Nick |
wrote in message ... wrote: Don Ocean and and PJM are also invited to answer this hvac science and engineering question. Please compare the drying rate to an outdoor clothesline and include the effects of condensation, if anticipated. For the sake of definiteness, if Greg wants to remove 12 pounds of water from 12 pounds of clothes with 400 ft^2 of surface (both sides) in minimal time in full sun in August in Key Largo, when it's 84 F and w = 0.0185, using a 16'x16' R1 greenhouse with 90% solar transmission, how many cfm of outdoor air should flow through the greenhouse? Get help , Nick. Psychiatric help... Do I play gatekeeper in unmoderated newsgroups? :-) Well, you have criticised me for posting about waste-water heat-exchangers in alt.solar.thermal. Is that what you mean by 'gatekeeper' in unmoderated newsgroups? Or are you an official moderator of alt.solar.thermal?? daestrom |
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"daestrom" wrote: Get help , Nick. Psychiatric help... Do I play gatekeeper in unmoderated newsgroups? :-) Well, you have criticised me for posting about waste-water heat-exchangers in alt.solar.thermal. Is that what you mean by 'gatekeeper' in unmoderated newsgroups? Or are you an official moderator of alt.solar.thermal?? daestrom Too funny. |
daestrom wrote:
Well, you have criticised me for posting about waste-water heat-exchangers in alt.solar.thermal... I don't recall that. Sorry. Altho it's not exactly on-topic here, ie not a "practical use of the sun's heat." It's an interesting subject, but unless it's a part of a solar water heater or a solar-heated house, it seems to me that there are more appropriate groups, eg MCFL or sci.engr.heat-vent-ac or alt.energy.renewable. BTW, PE Drew Gillett and PE Howdy Reichmuth and I will have an article on solar water heaters in the Nov/Dec issue of Solar Today, which will appear in Border's and other fine bookstores on about October 15. Is that what you mean by 'gatekeeper' in unmoderated newsgroups? No. The few bullys in sci.engr.heat-vent-ac are quite different. I'd like to see more science and engineering there. IMO, it's a disgusting place at the moment. I don't see a need for profanity, twisting the truth, personal insults (except for Toby :-), or threats. Or are you an official moderator of alt.solar.thermal?? No. I created alt.solar.thermal, but there is no moderator. I try to keep it on-topic, which isn't easy at times. For instance, the turbine-blade position sensor discussion showed up in alt.solar.thermal for a long time. Yes, sun causes wind, but IMO, it's a stretch to call that a practical use of the sun's heat. Nick |
wrote in message ... daestrom wrote: Well, you have criticised me for posting about waste-water heat-exchangers in alt.solar.thermal... I don't recall that. Sorry. Altho it's not exactly on-topic here, ie not a "practical use of the sun's heat." It's an interesting subject, but unless it's a part of a solar water heater or a solar-heated house, it seems to me that there are more appropriate groups, eg MCFL or sci.engr.heat-vent-ac or alt.energy.renewable. As I recall, it was a discussion of how to stretch a solar-heated domestic hot-water supply. I was suggesting that using such a heat-exchanger would reduce the size requirements of a hot-water heating panel. And you questioned whether it was 'on-topic' for alt.solar.thermal. Point is, what may seem off-topic to some isn't always cut-and-dried. And yes, you have tried to 'gatekeep', so... "Those that live in glass houses...." daestrom |
Can you remove home.repair from this disscussion? Thanks
"daestrom" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... daestrom wrote: Well, you have criticised me for posting about waste-water heat-exchangers in alt.solar.thermal... I don't recall that. Sorry. Altho it's not exactly on-topic here, ie not a "practical use of the sun's heat." It's an interesting subject, but unless it's a part of a solar water heater or a solar-heated house, it seems to me that there are more appropriate groups, eg MCFL or sci.engr.heat-vent-ac or alt.energy.renewable. As I recall, it was a discussion of how to stretch a solar-heated domestic hot-water supply. I was suggesting that using such a heat-exchanger would reduce the size requirements of a hot-water heating panel. And you questioned whether it was 'on-topic' for alt.solar.thermal. Point is, what may seem off-topic to some isn't always cut-and-dried. And yes, you have tried to 'gatekeep', so... "Those that live in glass houses...." daestrom |
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:34:41 GMT, "daestrom"
wrote: Point is, what may seem off-topic to some isn't always cut-and-dried. And yes, you have tried to 'gatekeep', so... "Those that live in glass houses...." daestrom -- -john wide-open at throttle dot info ~~~~~~~~ The keeper at the gate is blind so you'd better be prepared to pay -Steve Earle ~~~~~~~~ |
Gee, Nicks "random number strings" always seem to work fine in the real
world when I wisely apply his advise. Sounds like envy to me. wrote in message ... On 12 Sep 2004 15:42:57 -0700, (N. Thornton) wrote: wrote in message ... This thread is what happens when you ask the unclued for a simple direct answer. Instead of giving one, or saying they dont know, they No, it's when an asshole like Nick Pine starts in on another troll about his bull**** fantasies, spewing out his random number strings to 'prove' it. Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/ |
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