OT Here's a story.

I have one of those butane torches (this one by Vertigo). Meant for
lighting cigars. I found it on a shelf in the hall and since it didn't
grow there, I must have found it somewhere else, but I have no
recollection of that.

It gives 3 flames at the same time, very impressive, but this one must
be almost empty because frequently it gives no flame. That must be why
someone threw it away. And I think I've used up most of what little
fuel was left.

It seems to have a metal probe which I figure is the electrode and when
it wasn't lighting anymore anyhow, I wanted to see the spark it makes.
Tried several times and couldn't see it, even though there was no flame
to hide it. Even when I turned the lighter sideways. Thought maybe
the light from my ceiling fixture was making it too hard to see so I
held my hand 2-3 inches from the lighter, to shield it from the light.

So of course, this time it lit! Hot. Hurt my hand. Hurt for 5
minutes, but at least today, the next day, there is no burn.

That was close. I notice that I've never hurt myself doing any of the
dangerous things I've done, any of the things my mother told me not to
do. I've only hurt myself doing non-dangerous things. Surprise!

On 10/21/2020 11:15 AM, micky wrote:
OT Here's a story.

I have one of those butane torches (this one by Vertigo). Meant for
lighting cigars. I found it on a shelf in the hall and since it didn't
grow there, I must have found it somewhere else, but I have no
recollection of that.

It gives 3 flames at the same time, very impressive, but this one must
be almost empty because frequently it gives no flame. That must be why
someone threw it away. And I think I've used up most of what little
fuel was left.

It seems to have a metal probe which I figure is the electrode and when
it wasn't lighting anymore anyhow, I wanted to see the spark it makes.
Tried several times and couldn't see it, even though there was no flame
to hide it. Even when I turned the lighter sideways. Thought maybe
the light from my ceiling fixture was making it too hard to see so I
held my hand 2-3 inches from the lighter, to shield it from the light.

So of course, this time it lit! Hot. Hurt my hand. Hurt for 5
minutes, but at least today, the next day, there is no burn.

That was close. I notice that I've never hurt myself doing any of the
dangerous things I've done, any of the things my mother told me not to
do. I've only hurt myself doing non-dangerous things. Surprise!


It should be refillable.

On 10/21/20 1:15 PM, micky wrote:
OT Here's a story.

I have one of those butane torches (this one by Vertigo). Meant for
lighting cigars. I found it on a shelf in the hall and since it didn't
grow there, I must have found it somewhere else, but I have no
recollection of that.

It gives 3 flames at the same time, very impressive, but this one must
be almost empty because frequently it gives no flame. That must be why
someone threw it away. And I think I've used up most of what little
fuel was left.

It seems to have a metal probe which I figure is the electrode and when
it wasn't lighting anymore anyhow, I wanted to see the spark it makes.
Tried several times and couldn't see it, even though there was no flame
to hide it. Even when I turned the lighter sideways. Thought maybe
the light from my ceiling fixture was making it too hard to see so I
held my hand 2-3 inches from the lighter, to shield it from the light.

So of course, this time it lit! Hot. Hurt my hand. Hurt for 5
minutes, but at least today, the next day, there is no burn.

That was close. I notice that I've never hurt myself doing any of the
dangerous things I've done, any of the things my mother told me not to
do. I've only hurt myself doing non-dangerous things. Surprise!

Didn't lighters use some sort of a flint way back when? I think my
dad used to buy them.

Dean Hoffman writes:


Didn't lighters use some sort of a flint way back when? I think my
dad used to buy them.

Refillable lighters (butane or lighter fluid) still use flints.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:27:46 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 10/21/2020 11:15 AM, micky wrote:
OT Here's a story.

I have one of those butane torches (this one by Vertigo). Meant for
lighting cigars. I found it on a shelf in the hall and since it didn't
grow there, I must have found it somewhere else, but I have no
recollection of that.

It gives 3 flames at the same time, very impressive, but this one must
be almost empty because frequently it gives no flame. That must be why
someone threw it away. And I think I've used up most of what little
fuel was left.

It seems to have a metal probe which I figure is the electrode and when
it wasn't lighting anymore anyhow, I wanted to see the spark it makes.
Tried several times and couldn't see it, even though there was no flame
to hide it. Even when I turned the lighter sideways. Thought maybe
the light from my ceiling fixture was making it too hard to see so I
held my hand 2-3 inches from the lighter, to shield it from the light.

So of course, this time it lit! Hot. Hurt my hand. Hurt for 5
minutes, but at least today, the next day, there is no burn.

That was close. I notice that I've never hurt myself doing any of the
dangerous things I've done, any of the things my mother told me not to
do. I've only hurt myself doing non-dangerous things. Surprise!


It should be refillable.

Yesh, it is, and even though Ihave no use for a lighter -- I don't even
go camping anymore -- I'm thinking of bying a can, for about $5, just
becauee it's so cool.

There is definitely no flint in this . The case on this model is
translucent dark grey, and with enough light, I think you can seee the
gas as a liquid inside, and even though the case is plastic, which
doesn't conduct heat that well, I think the longer I hold it in my hand
the warmer it gets and the more some of the liquid changes to gas, so
the longer I tried, the more likely it was to light, and burn me.

There was 4-minute video for another similar make of lighter that said
you had to bleed the lighter, push the valve in so that it could vent,
before you filled it. I don't understand that but it's on youtube so it
must be true. And I thought he said it was true for similar lighters,
like Vertigo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3mO...re=em-comments

On 10/21/2020 4:04 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:27:46 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 10/21/2020 11:15 AM, micky wrote:
OT Here's a story.

I have one of those butane torches (this one by Vertigo). Meant for
lighting cigars. I found it on a shelf in the hall and since it didn't
grow there, I must have found it somewhere else, but I have no
recollection of that.

It gives 3 flames at the same time, very impressive, but this one must
be almost empty because frequently it gives no flame. That must be why
someone threw it away. And I think I've used up most of what little
fuel was left.

It seems to have a metal probe which I figure is the electrode and when
it wasn't lighting anymore anyhow, I wanted to see the spark it makes.
Tried several times and couldn't see it, even though there was no flame
to hide it. Even when I turned the lighter sideways. Thought maybe
the light from my ceiling fixture was making it too hard to see so I
held my hand 2-3 inches from the lighter, to shield it from the light.

So of course, this time it lit! Hot. Hurt my hand. Hurt for 5
minutes, but at least today, the next day, there is no burn.

That was close. I notice that I've never hurt myself doing any of the
dangerous things I've done, any of the things my mother told me not to
do. I've only hurt myself doing non-dangerous things. Surprise!


It should be refillable.

Yesh, it is, and even though Ihave no use for a lighter -- I don't even
go camping anymore -- I'm thinking of bying a can, for about $5, just
becauee it's so cool.

There is definitely no flint in this . The case on this model is
translucent dark grey, and with enough light, I think you can seee the
gas as a liquid inside, and even though the case is plastic, which
doesn't conduct heat that well, I think the longer I hold it in my hand
the warmer it gets and the more some of the liquid changes to gas, so
the longer I tried, the more likely it was to light, and burn me.

There was 4-minute video for another similar make of lighter that said
you had to bleed the lighter, push the valve in so that it could vent,
before you filled it. I don't understand that but it's on youtube so it
must be true. And I thought he said it was true for similar lighters,
like Vertigo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3mO...re=em-comments


Bleeding it reduces the pressure, which causes fuel to evaporate, which
lowers the temperature of the fuel, which causes it to settle at a lower
pressure, so more warmer fuel can push it's way in.

On 10/21/2020 1:58 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Dean Hoffman writes:


Didn't lighters use some sort of a flint way back when? I think my
dad used to buy them.

Refillable lighters (butane or lighter fluid) still use flints.


Some do. many use piezo-electric sparkers.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:47:13 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 10/21/2020 4:04 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:27:46 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 10/21/2020 11:15 AM, micky wrote:
OT Here's a story.

I have one of those butane torches (this one by Vertigo). Meant for
lighting cigars. I found it on a shelf in the hall and since it didn't
grow there, I must have found it somewhere else, but I have no
recollection of that.

It gives 3 flames at the same time, very impressive, but this one must
be almost empty because frequently it gives no flame. That must be why
someone threw it away. And I think I've used up most of what little
fuel was left.

It seems to have a metal probe which I figure is the electrode and when
it wasn't lighting anymore anyhow, I wanted to see the spark it makes.
Tried several times and couldn't see it, even though there was no flame
to hide it. Even when I turned the lighter sideways. Thought maybe
the light from my ceiling fixture was making it too hard to see so I
held my hand 2-3 inches from the lighter, to shield it from the light.

So of course, this time it lit! Hot. Hurt my hand. Hurt for 5
minutes, but at least today, the next day, there is no burn.

That was close. I notice that I've never hurt myself doing any of the
dangerous things I've done, any of the things my mother told me not to
do. I've only hurt myself doing non-dangerous things. Surprise!


It should be refillable.

Yesh, it is, and even though Ihave no use for a lighter -- I don't even
go camping anymore -- I'm thinking of bying a can, for about $5, just
becauee it's so cool.

There is definitely no flint in this . The case on this model is
translucent dark grey, and with enough light, I think you can seee the
gas as a liquid inside, and even though the case is plastic, which
doesn't conduct heat that well, I think the longer I hold it in my hand
the warmer it gets and the more some of the liquid changes to gas, so
the longer I tried, the more likely it was to light, and burn me.

There was 4-minute video for another similar make of lighter that said
you had to bleed the lighter, push the valve in so that it could vent,
before you filled it. I don't understand that but it's on youtube so it
must be true. And I thought he said it was true for similar lighters,
like Vertigo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3mO...re=em-comments


Bleeding it reduces the pressure, which causes fuel to evaporate, which
lowers the temperature of the fuel, which causes it to settle at a lower
pressure, so more warmer fuel can push it's way in.

So you don't have to totally bleed it empty, if it's half full, just
enough to chill it?

(Maybe you're going camping in the Yukon and you won't have enough if
it's only half full, so you have to top it off before leaving
civiilization. In the Yukon you'll have big heavy gloves on so it will
be hard to do there, and the refill can would be so cold not much will
come out. )

On 10/21/2020 02:47 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 10/21/20 1:15 PM, micky wrote:
OT Here's a story.

I have one of those butane torches (this one by Vertigo). Meant for
lighting cigars. I found it on a shelf in the hall and since it didn't
grow there, I must have found it somewhere else, but I have no
recollection of that.

It gives 3 flames at the same time, very impressive, but this one must
be almost empty because frequently it gives no flame. That must be why
someone threw it away. And I think I've used up most of what little
fuel was left.

It seems to have a metal probe which I figure is the electrode and when
it wasn't lighting anymore anyhow, I wanted to see the spark it makes.
Tried several times and couldn't see it, even though there was no flame
to hide it. Even when I turned the lighter sideways. Thought maybe
the light from my ceiling fixture was making it too hard to see so I
held my hand 2-3 inches from the lighter, to shield it from the light.

So of course, this time it lit! Hot. Hurt my hand. Hurt for 5
minutes, but at least today, the next day, there is no burn.

That was close. I notice that I've never hurt myself doing any of the
dangerous things I've done, any of the things my mother told me not to
do. I've only hurt myself doing non-dangerous things. Surprise!

Didn't lighters use some sort of a flint way back when? I think my
dad used to buy them.

Yes. I carry a Zippo in the winter for frozen locks etc. The flints are
about a 1/4" long and 1/16" in in diameter. A cold BIC isn't worth much.
The problem with a Zippo is the fuel will evaporate over time so if you
don't remmeber to fill it it isn't worth anything.

On 10/21/2020 6:38 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:47:13 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 10/21/2020 4:04 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:27:46 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 10/21/2020 11:15 AM, micky wrote:
OT Here's a story.

I have one of those butane torches (this one by Vertigo). Meant for
lighting cigars. I found it on a shelf in the hall and since it didn't
grow there, I must have found it somewhere else, but I have no
recollection of that.

It gives 3 flames at the same time, very impressive, but this one must
be almost empty because frequently it gives no flame. That must be why
someone threw it away. And I think I've used up most of what little
fuel was left.

It seems to have a metal probe which I figure is the electrode and when
it wasn't lighting anymore anyhow, I wanted to see the spark it makes.
Tried several times and couldn't see it, even though there was no flame
to hide it. Even when I turned the lighter sideways. Thought maybe
the light from my ceiling fixture was making it too hard to see so I
held my hand 2-3 inches from the lighter, to shield it from the light.

So of course, this time it lit! Hot. Hurt my hand. Hurt for 5
minutes, but at least today, the next day, there is no burn.

That was close. I notice that I've never hurt myself doing any of the
dangerous things I've done, any of the things my mother told me not to
do. I've only hurt myself doing non-dangerous things. Surprise!


It should be refillable.

Yesh, it is, and even though Ihave no use for a lighter -- I don't even
go camping anymore -- I'm thinking of bying a can, for about $5, just
becauee it's so cool.

There is definitely no flint in this . The case on this model is
translucent dark grey, and with enough light, I think you can seee the
gas as a liquid inside, and even though the case is plastic, which
doesn't conduct heat that well, I think the longer I hold it in my hand
the warmer it gets and the more some of the liquid changes to gas, so
the longer I tried, the more likely it was to light, and burn me.

There was 4-minute video for another similar make of lighter that said
you had to bleed the lighter, push the valve in so that it could vent,
before you filled it. I don't understand that but it's on youtube so it
must be true. And I thought he said it was true for similar lighters,
like Vertigo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3mO...re=em-comments


Bleeding it reduces the pressure, which causes fuel to evaporate, which
lowers the temperature of the fuel, which causes it to settle at a lower
pressure, so more warmer fuel can push it's way in.

So you don't have to totally bleed it empty, if it's half full, just
enough to chill it?

(Maybe you're going camping in the Yukon and you won't have enough if
it's only half full, so you have to top it off before leaving
civiilization. In the Yukon you'll have big heavy gloves on so it will
be hard to do there, and the refill can would be so cold not much will
come out. )

You could just stick it in the freezer for 15 minutes first. And/or,
warm the refill can a bit.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 21 Oct 2020 19:38:40 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 10/21/2020 6:38 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:47:13 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 10/21/2020 4:04 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:27:46 -0700, Bob F
wrote:

On 10/21/2020 11:15 AM, micky wrote:
OT Here's a story.

I have one of those butane torches (this one by Vertigo). Meant for
lighting cigars. I found it on a shelf in the hall and since it didn't
grow there, I must have found it somewhere else, but I have no
recollection of that.

It gives 3 flames at the same time, very impressive, but this one must
be almost empty because frequently it gives no flame. That must be why
someone threw it away. And I think I've used up most of what little
fuel was left.

It seems to have a metal probe which I figure is the electrode and when
it wasn't lighting anymore anyhow, I wanted to see the spark it makes.
Tried several times and couldn't see it, even though there was no flame
to hide it. Even when I turned the lighter sideways. Thought maybe
the light from my ceiling fixture was making it too hard to see so I
held my hand 2-3 inches from the lighter, to shield it from the light.

So of course, this time it lit! Hot. Hurt my hand. Hurt for 5
minutes, but at least today, the next day, there is no burn.

That was close. I notice that I've never hurt myself doing any of the
dangerous things I've done, any of the things my mother told me not to
do. I've only hurt myself doing non-dangerous things. Surprise!


It should be refillable.

Yesh, it is, and even though Ihave no use for a lighter -- I don't even
go camping anymore -- I'm thinking of bying a can, for about $5, just
becauee it's so cool.

There is definitely no flint in this . The case on this model is
translucent dark grey, and with enough light, I think you can seee the
gas as a liquid inside, and even though the case is plastic, which
doesn't conduct heat that well, I think the longer I hold it in my hand
the warmer it gets and the more some of the liquid changes to gas, so
the longer I tried, the more likely it was to light, and burn me.

There was 4-minute video for another similar make of lighter that said
you had to bleed the lighter, push the valve in so that it could vent,
before you filled it. I don't understand that but it's on youtube so it
must be true. And I thought he said it was true for similar lighters,
like Vertigo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3mO...re=em-comments


Bleeding it reduces the pressure, which causes fuel to evaporate, which
lowers the temperature of the fuel, which causes it to settle at a lower
pressure, so more warmer fuel can push it's way in.

So you don't have to totally bleed it empty, if it's half full, just
enough to chill it?

(Maybe you're going camping in the Yukon and you won't have enough if
it's only half full, so you have to top it off before leaving
civiilization. In the Yukon you'll have big heavy gloves on so it will
be hard to do there, and the refill can would be so cold not much will
come out. )

You could just stick it in the freezer for 15 minutes first. And/or,
warm the refill can a bit.

That sounds good. I hate bleeding something expensaive like butane. Of
course, I'll have to pay for electricity to cool the lighter, but I
think that costs less.

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:35:55 -0600, rowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


Yes. I carry a Zippo in the winter for frozen locks etc. The flints are
about a 1/4" long and 1/16" in in diameter. A cold BIC isn't worth much.
The problem with a Zippo is the fuel will evaporate over time so if you
don't remmeber to fill it it isn't worth anything.

Oh, no! The senile blabbermouth is at it again! It blabbers and blabbers and
blabbers! Are you ready for another harsh lesson, you endlessly gossiping
senile washerwoman? BG