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On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 19:26:13 -0600, rbowman wrote:
On 08/05/2020 12:34 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: I have mixed feelings about that. One the one hand, I feel people have the right to be assholes. On the other hand, the situation is similar to black people, and if we hadn't taken a stand there would still be "colored" drinking fountains. I was about 11 when I saw my first colored drinking fountain. Disappointing. The water wasn't colored, just warm. I don't recall taking a stand one way or the other. I never saw it until we took a bus trip across the south, in the 50s, Oklahoma to Florida and somewhere around the Mississippi line things changed instantly. I didn't understand why I woke up on the back seat of the bus surrounded by giggling little black girls. I thought it was fun until someone dragged me up front. Being from DC, I didn't have a problem with black girls. Of course, this comes from someone who does not find homosexuality unnatural or disgusting. I don't have a problem with gays, including one of my nephews. I fully support civil unions with all the legal benefits of marriage. However I do think a marriage is between a man and a woman, 'man' being defined as someone born with balls, and 'woman' as someone born without. That whole problem would be solved if the government got out of the marriage business. Marriage is a religious ceremony, everything the government should be involved with is simple contract law and should be available to any 2 or more consenting adults. Being in God's waiting room, I can see the advantages to extending what the government grants to married people, to the "Golden Girls". (Hospital visitation, survivorship, inheritance, tax breaks etc) if they are willing to sign the commitment contract. |
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On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 2:05:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 19:26:13 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 08/05/2020 12:34 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: I have mixed feelings about that. One the one hand, I feel people have the right to be assholes. On the other hand, the situation is similar to black people, and if we hadn't taken a stand there would still be "colored" drinking fountains. I was about 11 when I saw my first colored drinking fountain. Disappointing. The water wasn't colored, just warm. I don't recall taking a stand one way or the other. I never saw it until we took a bus trip across the south, in the 50s, Oklahoma to Florida and somewhere around the Mississippi line things changed instantly. I didn't understand why I woke up on the back seat of the bus surrounded by giggling little black girls. I thought it was fun until someone dragged me up front. Being from DC, I didn't have a problem with black girls. Of course, this comes from someone who does not find homosexuality unnatural or disgusting. I don't have a problem with gays, including one of my nephews. I fully support civil unions with all the legal benefits of marriage. However I do think a marriage is between a man and a woman, 'man' being defined as someone born with balls, and 'woman' as someone born without. That whole problem would be solved if the government got out of the marriage business. Marriage is a religious ceremony, everything the government should be involved with is simple contract law and should be available to any 2 or more consenting adults. Being in God's waiting room, I can see the advantages to extending what the government grants to married people, to the "Golden Girls". (Hospital visitation, survivorship, inheritance, tax breaks etc) if they are willing to sign the commitment contract. Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing. Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing. Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. That's how it is in this state. A friend was a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and performed a very nice marriage ceremony. As far as the state is concerned when you buy the license you're married; if you don't you're not. An Episcopalian bishop has no more legal standing than a minister of the FSM. |
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On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing. Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. https://www.spaghettimonster.org/ordination/ You too can be an ordained minister... |
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On 2020-08-06 20:06, rbowman wrote:
At least the South had signs. In the North black people had to figure outÂ*whereÂ*theyÂ*weren'tÂ*supposedÂ*toÂ*be. A black friend of my mother in law said that she preferred the South as it was all up front and no subterfuge. You always knew where you stood |
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On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 13:14:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
wrote: On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 2:05:00 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 19:26:13 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 08/05/2020 12:34 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: I have mixed feelings about that. One the one hand, I feel people have the right to be assholes. On the other hand, the situation is similar to black people, and if we hadn't taken a stand there would still be "colored" drinking fountains. I was about 11 when I saw my first colored drinking fountain. Disappointing. The water wasn't colored, just warm. I don't recall taking a stand one way or the other. I never saw it until we took a bus trip across the south, in the 50s, Oklahoma to Florida and somewhere around the Mississippi line things changed instantly. I didn't understand why I woke up on the back seat of the bus surrounded by giggling little black girls. I thought it was fun until someone dragged me up front. Being from DC, I didn't have a problem with black girls. Of course, this comes from someone who does not find homosexuality unnatural or disgusting. I don't have a problem with gays, including one of my nephews. I fully support civil unions with all the legal benefits of marriage. However I do think a marriage is between a man and a woman, 'man' being defined as someone born with balls, and 'woman' as someone born without. That whole problem would be solved if the government got out of the marriage business. Marriage is a religious ceremony, everything the government should be involved with is simple contract law and should be available to any 2 or more consenting adults. Being in God's waiting room, I can see the advantages to extending what the government grants to married people, to the "Golden Girls". (Hospital visitation, survivorship, inheritance, tax breaks etc) if they are willing to sign the commitment contract. Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing. Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. Cindy Hamilton In Florida the church service has absolutely zero force of law. The only dispensation is a preacher is one of about a half dozen classes of people who can witness the signatures on the marriage license and then it has to be filed with the clerk of court, just like 100 other types of document. We had a ceremony on the beach with some old friend of ours presiding who had no affiliation with anyone but he put on a good show and made the parents happy. Then at a later date we pulled the "permit" and had the office manager at Hawk's Cay in the Keys notarized it with all the ceremony of swapping the title on a 96 Corolla. My wife didn't file it right away, she said I was on probation. |
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lowbrowwoman, Birdbrain's eternal senile whore!
On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 21:10:39 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing. Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. That's how it is in this state. A friend was a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and performed a very nice marriage ceremony. As far ....and the senile gossiping continues... LOL |
lowbrowwoman, Birdbrain's eternal senile whore!
On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 21:12:50 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: https://www.spaghettimonster.org/ordination/ You too can be an ordained minister... I suppose ANY blabbermouth can be. You'd be perfect for the job, lowbrowwoman. |
lowbrowwoman, Birdbrain's eternal senile whore!
On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 21:06:35 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: I was visiting my brother in Huntsville. That was the year George 0Wallace lost the governor's race. Oh, no! Yet another lengthy story from the blabbermouth's life. FLUSH |
lowbrowwoman, Birdbrain's eternal senile whore!
On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 23:30:17 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: Wallace eventually returned to what he had been and I don't think it was all the born again thing. After the 1958 loss he did Geezuz Christ! Are we back to 1958 now??? |
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On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing. Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. That's how it is in this state. A friend was a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and performed a very nice marriage ceremony. As far as the state is concerned when you buy the license you're married; if you don't you're not. An Episcopalian bishop has no more legal standing than a minister of the FSM. I wish that were the case here. At least when I was married, a minister or judge had to sign the license in order for it to be valid. We found a minister who didn't look too closely at our religiosity or lack thereof. Cindy Hamilton |
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On 8/6/2020 10:44 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-08-06 20:06, rbowman wrote: At least the South had signs. In the North black people had to figure outÂ*whereÂ*theyÂ*weren'tÂ*supposedÂ*toÂ*be. A black friend of my mother in law said that she preferred the South as it was all up front and no subterfuge.Â* You always knew where you stood I love the South, too. My moms side of the family is all southern, and my dads side is southern by a hair. He grew up on the south side of the Mason-Dixon line! haha -- Maggie |
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On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 07:11:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
wrote: On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote: On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing. Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. That's how it is in this state. A friend was a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and performed a very nice marriage ceremony. As far as the state is concerned when you buy the license you're married; if you don't you're not. An Episcopalian bishop has no more legal standing than a minister of the FSM. I wish that were the case here. At least when I was married, a minister or judge had to sign the license in order for it to be valid. We found a minister who didn't look too closely at our religiosity or lack thereof. Cindy Hamilton Any notary can do it in Florida but I doubt they really check on who calls themselves a minister. The guy who did our ceremony offered but we didn't have a license at the time. It would have been bigamy anyway. ;-) |
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On 08/07/2020 08:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I wish that were the case here. At least when I was married, a minister or judge had to sign the license in order for it to be valid. We found a minister who didn't look too closely at our religiosity or lack thereof. My wife dug up a female minister but I'm not sure what flavor. She did have some attachment to reality. We were married in the RPI chapel and there was a HVAC grate in front of the altar. "If you drop the ring, just keep on going like nothing happened. We'll dig it out later." |
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 04:13:54 +0100, Bod wrote:
On 08/08/2020 00:45, wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 07:11:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote: On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing. Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. That's how it is in this state. A friend was a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and performed a very nice marriage ceremony. As far as the state is concerned when you buy the license you're married; if you don't you're not. An Episcopalian bishop has no more legal standing than a minister of the FSM. I wish that were the case here. At least when I was married, a minister or judge had to sign the license in order for it to be valid. We found a minister who didn't look too closely at our religiosity or lack thereof. Cindy Hamilton Any notary can do it in Florida but I doubt they really check on who calls themselves a minister. The guy who did our ceremony offered but we didn't have a license at the time. It would have been bigamy anyway. ;-) Our son got married on St Pete's beach St Petersburg Florida, the pastor admitted to us that she didn't believe in god. That's why our son and his fiance chose her. Why bother with a minister then? The accountant at the hotel they were staying is probably a notary. That was what we did. |
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On 08/08/2020 05:32, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 04:13:54 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 00:45, wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 07:11:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote: On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing. Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. That's how it is in this state. A friend was a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and performed a very nice marriage ceremony. As far as the state is concerned when you buy the license you're married; if you don't you're not. An Episcopalian bishop has no more legal standing than a minister of the FSM. I wish that were the case here. At least when I was married, a minister or judge had to sign the license in order for it to be valid. We found a minister who didn't look too closely at our religiosity or lack thereof. Cindy Hamilton Any notary can do it in Florida but I doubt they really check on who calls themselves a minister. The guy who did our ceremony offered but we didn't have a license at the time. It would have been bigamy anyway. ;-) Our son got married on St Pete's beach St Petersburg Florida, the pastor admitted to us that she didn't believe in god. That's why our son and his fiance chose her. Why bother with a minister then? The accountant at the hotel they were staying is probably a notary. That was what we did. I think she was recommended. She was a very amusing character. I spoke to her after the ceremony and we had a great laugh about religion. |
lowbrowwoman, Birdbrain's eternal senile whore!
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 19:05:11 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: My wife dug up ??? Is that one those "progressive" same-sex marriages, lowbrowwoman? Is she the"male", strong, silent part ...while you are the usual babbling female gossip? |
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 05:48:21 +0100, Bod wrote:
On 08/08/2020 05:32, wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 04:13:54 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 00:45, wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 07:11:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote: On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing. Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. That's how it is in this state. A friend was a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and performed a very nice marriage ceremony. As far as the state is concerned when you buy the license you're married; if you don't you're not. An Episcopalian bishop has no more legal standing than a minister of the FSM. I wish that were the case here. At least when I was married, a minister or judge had to sign the license in order for it to be valid. We found a minister who didn't look too closely at our religiosity or lack thereof. Cindy Hamilton Any notary can do it in Florida but I doubt they really check on who calls themselves a minister. The guy who did our ceremony offered but we didn't have a license at the time. It would have been bigamy anyway. ;-) Our son got married on St Pete's beach St Petersburg Florida, the pastor admitted to us that she didn't believe in god. That's why our son and his fiance chose her. Why bother with a minister then? The accountant at the hotel they were staying is probably a notary. That was what we did. I think she was recommended. She was a very amusing character. I spoke to her after the ceremony and we had a great laugh about religion. It does sort of remind me of my first wedding. Her parents insisted on a church wedding and none of us had a church. The preacher literally asked "Why Me"? My FIL said "Here's why" and handed him $100. We ended up taking out vows in some back room but it was technically a church wedding I guess. I really didn't give a ****. The funny thing is people may get married in a church but at least half of them fail and they end up having to go to the government to get out of it. |
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On 08/08/2020 11:02, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 05:48:21 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 05:32, wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 04:13:54 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 00:45, wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 07:11:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote: On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing. Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. That's how it is in this state. A friend was a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and performed a very nice marriage ceremony. As far as the state is concerned when you buy the license you're married; if you don't you're not. An Episcopalian bishop has no more legal standing than a minister of the FSM. I wish that were the case here. At least when I was married, a minister or judge had to sign the license in order for it to be valid. We found a minister who didn't look too closely at our religiosity or lack thereof. Cindy Hamilton Any notary can do it in Florida but I doubt they really check on who calls themselves a minister. The guy who did our ceremony offered but we didn't have a license at the time. It would have been bigamy anyway. ;-) Our son got married on St Pete's beach St Petersburg Florida, the pastor admitted to us that she didn't believe in god. That's why our son and his fiance chose her. Why bother with a minister then? The accountant at the hotel they were staying is probably a notary. That was what we did. I think she was recommended. She was a very amusing character. I spoke to her after the ceremony and we had a great laugh about religion. It does sort of remind me of my first wedding. Her parents insisted on a church wedding and none of us had a church. The preacher literally asked "Why Me"? My FIL said "Here's why" and handed him $100. We ended up taking out vows in some back room but it was technically a church wedding I guess. I really didn't give a ****. The funny thing is people may get married in a church but at least half of them fail and they end up having to go to the government to get out of it. :-) |
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On 08/08/2020 11:22, Bod wrote:
On 08/08/2020 11:02, wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 05:48:21 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 05:32, wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 04:13:54 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 00:45, wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 07:11:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote: On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing.Â* Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. That's how it is in this state. A friend was a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and performed a very nice marriage ceremony. As far as the state is concerned when you buy the license you're married; if you don't you're not. An Episcopalian bishop has no more legal standing than a minister of the FSM. I wish that were the case here.Â* At least when I was married, a minister or judge had to sign the license in order for it to be valid.Â* We found a minister who didn't look too closely at our religiosity or lack thereof. Cindy Hamilton Any notary can do it in Florida but I doubt they really check on who calls themselves a minister. The guy who did our ceremony offered but we didn't have a license at the time. It would have been bigamy anyway.Â* ;-) Our son got married on St Pete's beach St Petersburg Florida, the pastor admitted to us that she didn't believe in god. That's why our son and his fiance chose her. Why bother with a minister then? The accountant at the hotel they were staying is probably a notary. That was what we did. I think she was recommended. She was a very amusing character. I spoke to her after the ceremony and we had a great laugh about religion. It does sort of remind me of my first wedding. Her parents insisted on a church wedding and none of us had a church. The preacher literally asked "Why Me"? My FIL said "Here's why" and handed him $100. We ended up taking out vows in some back room but it was technically a church wedding I guess. I really didn't give a ****. The funny thing is people may get married in a church but at least half of them fail and they end up having to go to the government to get out of it. :-) Anyway, I'd bet that Muggles thinks that marriage is a christian concept. If she does, she'd be wrong, marriage predates christianity, it was a Pagan concept. |
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On 08/08/2020 11:27, Bod wrote:
On 08/08/2020 11:22, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 11:02, wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 05:48:21 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 05:32, wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 04:13:54 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 00:45, wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 07:11:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote: On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing. Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. That's how it is in this state. A friend was a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and performed a very nice marriage ceremony. As far as the state is concerned when you buy the license you're married; if you don't you're not. An Episcopalian bishop has no more legal standing than a minister of the FSM. I wish that were the case here.Â* At least when I was married, a minister or judge had to sign the license in order for it to be valid.Â* We found a minister who didn't look too closely at our religiosity or lack thereof. Cindy Hamilton Any notary can do it in Florida but I doubt they really check on who calls themselves a minister. The guy who did our ceremony offered but we didn't have a license at the time. It would have been bigamy anyway.Â* ;-) Our son got married on St Pete's beach St Petersburg Florida, the pastor admitted to us that she didn't believe in god. That's why our son and his fiance chose her. Why bother with a minister then? The accountant at the hotel they were staying is probably a notary. That was what we did. I think she was recommended. She was a very amusing character. I spoke to her after the ceremony and we had a great laugh about religion. It does sort of remind me of my first wedding. Her parents insisted on a church wedding and none of us had a church. The preacher literally asked "Why Me"? My FIL said "Here's why" and handed him $100. We ended up taking out vows in some back room but it was technically a church wedding I guess. I really didn't give a ****. The funny thing is people may get married in a church but at least half of them fail and they end up having to go to the government to get out of it. :-) Anyway, I'd bet that Muggles thinks that marriage is a christian concept. If she does, she'd be wrong, marriage predates christianity, it was a Pagan concept. At the risk of upsetting Muggles even further: miracle birth stories also predate the bible version. 6 Miracle Birth Stories Beyond Jesus https://www.livescience.com/42187-mi...ond-jesus.html |
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 11:27:39 +0100, Bod wrote:
On 08/08/2020 11:22, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 11:02, wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 05:48:21 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 05:32, wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 04:13:54 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 00:45, wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 07:11:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote: On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing.Â* Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. That's how it is in this state. A friend was a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and performed a very nice marriage ceremony. As far as the state is concerned when you buy the license you're married; if you don't you're not. An Episcopalian bishop has no more legal standing than a minister of the FSM. I wish that were the case here.Â* At least when I was married, a minister or judge had to sign the license in order for it to be valid.Â* We found a minister who didn't look too closely at our religiosity or lack thereof. Cindy Hamilton Any notary can do it in Florida but I doubt they really check on who calls themselves a minister. The guy who did our ceremony offered but we didn't have a license at the time. It would have been bigamy anyway.Â* ;-) Our son got married on St Pete's beach St Petersburg Florida, the pastor admitted to us that she didn't believe in god. That's why our son and his fiance chose her. Why bother with a minister then? The accountant at the hotel they were staying is probably a notary. That was what we did. I think she was recommended. She was a very amusing character. I spoke to her after the ceremony and we had a great laugh about religion. It does sort of remind me of my first wedding. Her parents insisted on a church wedding and none of us had a church. The preacher literally asked "Why Me"? My FIL said "Here's why" and handed him $100. We ended up taking out vows in some back room but it was technically a church wedding I guess. I really didn't give a ****. The funny thing is people may get married in a church but at least half of them fail and they end up having to go to the government to get out of it. :-) Anyway, I'd bet that Muggles thinks that marriage is a christian concept. If she does, she'd be wrong, marriage predates christianity, it was a Pagan concept. You can simply look at the Jewish tradition that predates Christ by 2000 years. That is a group that requires a church divorce. (along with the Catholics). These days you probably really need to be a true believer to buy that, particularly a Jewish woman who is really the one in indenture to the church. I bet there are plenty of them who say "Get" this MoFo, I am not living with that weasel one more day". |
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On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 2:04:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 11:27:39 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 11:22, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 11:02, wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 05:48:21 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 05:32, wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 04:13:54 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 00:45, wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 07:11:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote: On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing.Â* Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. That's how it is in this state. A friend was a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and performed a very nice marriage ceremony. As far as the state is concerned when you buy the license you're married; if you don't you're not. An Episcopalian bishop has no more legal standing than a minister of the FSM. I wish that were the case here.Â* At least when I was married, a minister or judge had to sign the license in order for it to be valid.Â* We found a minister who didn't look too closely at our religiosity or lack thereof. Cindy Hamilton Any notary can do it in Florida but I doubt they really check on who calls themselves a minister. The guy who did our ceremony offered but we didn't have a license at the time. It would have been bigamy anyway.Â* ;-) Our son got married on St Pete's beach St Petersburg Florida, the pastor admitted to us that she didn't believe in god. That's why our son and his fiance chose her. Why bother with a minister then? The accountant at the hotel they were staying is probably a notary. That was what we did. I think she was recommended. She was a very amusing character. I spoke to her after the ceremony and we had a great laugh about religion. It does sort of remind me of my first wedding. Her parents insisted on a church wedding and none of us had a church. The preacher literally asked "Why Me"? My FIL said "Here's why" and handed him $100. We ended up taking out vows in some back room but it was technically a church wedding I guess. I really didn't give a ****. The funny thing is people may get married in a church but at least half of them fail and they end up having to go to the government to get out of it. :-) Anyway, I'd bet that Muggles thinks that marriage is a christian concept. If she does, she'd be wrong, marriage predates christianity, it was a Pagan concept. You can simply look at the Jewish tradition that predates Christ by 2000 years. That is a group that requires a church divorce. (along with the Catholics). These days you probably really need to be a true believer to buy that, particularly a Jewish woman who is really the one in indenture to the church. I bet there are plenty of them who say "Get" this MoFo, I am not living with that weasel one more day". You made me think of my first husband. He's going for marriage #3, to a practicing Catholic. Every few months I get a questionnaire from the Archdiocese of Youngstown asking me questions about our marriage. We were married for four years and divorced 36 years ago. I can barely remember it. They also ask about my religious background. I probably should have lied and never said I was baptized a Lutheran. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 12:37:50 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: Even with the license and gratuity to Peggy (the minister) it was a hell of a lot cheaper to get into in than out of it. And that's with a fairly friendly divorce. Girl, you need to find a girlfriend that is just as talkative as you are! ;-) |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 11:27:39 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 11:22, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 11:02, wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 05:48:21 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 05:32, wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 04:13:54 +0100, Bod wrote: On 08/08/2020 00:45, wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 07:11:40 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote: On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:10:42 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote: On 08/06/2020 02:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: Only if the religious ceremony conferred no legal standing. Let's get the various churches out of the legal business. That's how it is in this state. A friend was a minister in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and performed a very nice marriage ceremony. As far as the state is concerned when you buy the license you're married; if you don't you're not. An Episcopalian bishop has no more legal standing than a minister of the FSM. I wish that were the case here. At least when I was married, a minister or judge had to sign the license in order for it to be valid. We found a minister who didn't look too closely at our religiosity or lack thereof. Cindy Hamilton Any notary can do it in Florida but I doubt they really check on who calls themselves a minister. The guy who did our ceremony offered but we didn't have a license at the time. It would have been bigamy anyway. ;-) Our son got married on St Pete's beach St Petersburg Florida, the pastor admitted to us that she didn't believe in god. That's why our son and his fiance chose her. Why bother with a minister then? The accountant at the hotel they were staying is probably a notary. That was what we did. I think she was recommended. She was a very amusing character. I spoke to her after the ceremony and we had a great laugh about religion. It does sort of remind me of my first wedding. Her parents insisted on a church wedding and none of us had a church. The preacher literally asked "Why Me"? My FIL said "Here's why" and handed him $100. We ended up taking out vows in some back room but it was technically a church wedding I guess. I really didn't give a ****. The funny thing is people may get married in a church but at least half of them fail and they end up having to go to the government to get out of it. :-) Anyway, I'd bet that Muggles thinks that marriage is a christian concept. If she does, she'd be wrong, marriage predates christianity, it was a Pagan concept. You can simply look at the Jewish tradition that predates Christ by 2000 years. That is a group that requires a church divorce. (along with the Catholics). Wrong, as always. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_(divorce_document) These days you probably really need to be a true believer to buy that, particularly a Jewish woman who is really the one in indenture to the church. More ignorant bull****. I bet there are plenty of them who say "Get" this MoFo, I am not living with that weasel one more day". |
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Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 05:43:31 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Bod addressing abnormal senile quarreller Rot: "Do you practice arguing with yourself in an empty room?" MID: |
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On 08/08/2020 01:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
You made me think of my first husband. He's going for marriage #3, to a practicing Catholic. Every few months I get a questionnaire from the Archdiocese of Youngstown asking me questions about our marriage. We were married for four years and divorced 36 years ago. I can barely remember it. Yeah, that's a delicate situation. Technically my father was excommunicated for marrying my mother who was a divorcee. Luckily by the late '60s things had loosened up enough that they are both buried in a Catholic cemetery and it didn't require a suitable donation to the priest although donations were appreciated. My family was cynical enough that most kids received a Catholic baptism. If they wanted to marry a Catholic they were good to go. If not, I don't think the Prods were as sticky as long it was some sort of Christian baptism. |
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 14:49:01 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: Yeah, that's a delicate situation. Technically my father was excommunicated for marrying my mother who was Oh, ****, will this senile bull**** never end? |
lowbrowwoman, Birdbrain's eternal senile whore!
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 14:40:59 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: A Catholic annulment is not a divorce. It's a decision that there was some impediment to the marriage so the marriage never was valid. It is a problem for people who have divorced, remarri And lowbrowwoman, the endlessly gossiping washerwoman, keeps gossiping and gossiping and gossiping... LOL |
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 12:37:50 -0600, rbowman wrote:
On 08/08/2020 04:02 AM, wrote: The funny thing is people may get married in a church but at least half of them fail and they end up having to go to the government to get out of it. Even with the license and gratuity to Peggy (the minister) it was a hell of a lot cheaper to get into in than out of it. And that's with a fairly friendly divorce. Massachusetts in the '70s was great. The acceptable grounds were adultery, drunkenness, homosexuality, and some other peaches. We settled on 'cruel and abusive treatment'. When I left my first wife it was a no fault thing (Florida law) and fairly amicable. Our marriage was all about the money and we cut a deal we could both agree with and no drama at all. We are still fairly good friends. |
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 14:40:59 -0600, rbowman wrote:
On 08/08/2020 12:03 PM, wrote: You can simply look at the Jewish tradition that predates Christ by 2000 years. That is a group that requires a church divorce. (along with the Catholics). A Catholic annulment is not a divorce. It's a decision that there was some impediment to the marriage so the marriage never was valid. It is a problem for people who have divorced, remarried, and now want to get back into the Church, often for the sake of the children. They have to work up some grounds for an annulment of the first marriage which isn't easy. It's not a consideration but oddly if I wanted to become a Catholic in good standing I'm in better shape according to canon law than many divorced Catholics. Neither my wife nor I ever remarried so we're not living in adultery. I confuse people by referring to my wife rather than my ex, but though I'm not religious I do feel marriage is a one time deal. She is a practicing Christian and while she never explicitly says it I think she is relieved. I understand but if you think the church married you, catholics and jews think the church has to release them from that marriage or they just say **** the church I'm out of here. |
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On 8/8/2020 4:49 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/08/2020 01:17 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: You made me think of my first husband.Â* He's going for marriage #3, to a practicing Catholic.Â* Every few months I get a questionnaire from the Archdiocese of Youngstown asking me questions about our marriage.Â* We were married for four years and divorced 36 years ago. I can barely remember it. Yeah, that's a delicate situation. Technically my father was excommunicated for marrying my mother who was a divorcee. Luckily by the late '60s things had loosened up enough that they are both buried in a Catholic cemetery and it didn't require a suitable donation to the priest although donations were appreciated. My family was cynical enough that most kids received a Catholic baptism. If they wanted to marry a Catholic they were good to go. If not, I don't think the Prods were as sticky as long it was some sort of Christian baptism. I may have been excommunicated for marrying in the Greek Orthodox Church but when our first son was born and we went to the Catholic Church to get him baptised, they pulled us back into a side chapel and married us in the Catholic Church. I was at a rehearsal dinner for a Jewish friends son marrying a Catholic girl in the Catholic Church and the half drunken priest told me that if the girl wanted she could divorce the Jewish guy and remarry in the Church since he was a heathen. Thought that was funny. My brother got an annulment to get remarried in the Catholic Church even though he had four kids by his first wife. It took several years and they called me in to testify and I told them that he was too immature to be married the first time. Will not give details but he was doing things you would not expect an engaged person to do. While all of our sons were baptized in the Catholic Church we did not burden them with a religious upbringing. They have thanked me for that. |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 14:40:59 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 08/08/2020 12:03 PM, wrote: You can simply look at the Jewish tradition that predates Christ by 2000 years. That is a group that requires a church divorce. (along with the Catholics). A Catholic annulment is not a divorce. It's a decision that there was some impediment to the marriage so the marriage never was valid. It is a problem for people who have divorced, remarried, and now want to get back into the Church, often for the sake of the children. They have to work up some grounds for an annulment of the first marriage which isn't easy. It's not a consideration but oddly if I wanted to become a Catholic in good standing I'm in better shape according to canon law than many divorced Catholics. Neither my wife nor I ever remarried so we're not living in adultery. I confuse people by referring to my wife rather than my ex, but though I'm not religious I do feel marriage is a one time deal. She is a practicing Christian and while she never explicitly says it I think she is relieved. I understand but if you think the church married you, catholics and jews think the church has to release them from that marriage That's wrong with the jews. or they just say **** the church I'm out of here. |
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On 08/08/2020 04:30 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 12:37:50 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 08/08/2020 04:02 AM, wrote: The funny thing is people may get married in a church but at least half of them fail and they end up having to go to the government to get out of it. Even with the license and gratuity to Peggy (the minister) it was a hell of a lot cheaper to get into in than out of it. And that's with a fairly friendly divorce. Massachusetts in the '70s was great. The acceptable grounds were adultery, drunkenness, homosexuality, and some other peaches. We settled on 'cruel and abusive treatment'. When I left my first wife it was a no fault thing (Florida law) and fairly amicable. Our marriage was all about the money and we cut a deal we could both agree with and no drama at all. We are still fairly good friends. I think Massachusetts eventually went to a no fault or at least a less draconian code since then. In the early '70s the state was still showing its Puritanical roots. My employer at the time was on the way to bankruptcy and was pocketing the funds meant for health insurance. My wife is a T1 diabetic and tends to run up medical bills. The settlement was a lump sum basically to cover her expenses and was deductible whereas alimony would not have been. She also got the Audi, which was one of the crueler things I did to her. She traded it for a Rabbit which at the time was a step up. Audi is still in business so I assume they have figured out how to build cars. VW's first attempt at putting the engine and drive train at the other end of the vehicle had problems. I don't think either of us were meant to be married. We definitely were clueless about playing house. Another cruel moment was when the neighborhood Stepford Wives showed up to welcome us and I slipped out the back leaving her to fend for herself. |
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