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Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr
Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. -- Bod |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 2:39:15 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. Historically inept. We're uniquely placed in history to actually be able to do something about plagues, yet we rely on the same old tactics of relying on superstition and blaming the "other" in our societies. Cindy Hamilton |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On 03/07/2020 13:51, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 2:39:15 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. Historically inept. We're uniquely placed in history to actually be able to do something about plagues, yet we rely on the same old tactics of relying on superstition and blaming the "other" in our societies. Cindy Hamilton Yes it seems that way. -- Bod |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 2:39:15 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. -- Bod Even better, Trump is holding two more gatherings of thousands. He's going to Mount Rushmore tonight for fireworks, 7500 tickets handed out, then more fireworks tomorrow for much larger crowd in DC. Neither will require masks.. That's some great leadership in action. Just saw another sad spectacle, another federal govt official's credibility destroyed on national TV due to Trump. Today it was the Surgeon General. He was on the Today Show, first question was about the above two events. The host explained what they were and asked whether the Surgeon General would recommend that a family member, a loved one attend those. He spent a couple minutes wandering around the wilderness, only to be interrupted and reminded that he was not answering the question. Still, he blathered on about general guidance, it's up to the states, it's up to each person. If we had a competent, fit president grounded in reality, he would be able to speak the truth and answer the question. How's Herman Cain doing? |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote:
Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. At a certain point it is hard to tell which is the most serious problem. We could lose a few million to the virus or we could kill a billion or 2 in a world war. That was how we ended the last global depression. The US has printed almost $8 TRILLION out of thin air in the last decade. (along with amassing a debt much larger than our GDP) Some day someone is going to ask "how can we trust the dollar"? Then **** will get real ugly, real fast and that virus will be the least of our worries ... world wide. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message ... On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 2:39:15 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. Historically inept. We're uniquely placed in history to actually be able to do something about plagues, yet we rely on the same old tactics of relying on superstition and blaming the "other" in our societies. Thats not true. We havent done lockdowns on this scale before and we have got a brilliant result in the places that have done it earliest and most effectively like with New Zealand, Taiwan and Austria etc. |
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Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. Nope, there is no possibility of national bankruptcy or even anything like the great depression either. At a certain point it is hard to tell which is the most serious problem. Bull****. We could lose a few million to the virus or we could kill a billion or 2 in a world war. There is no possibility of a world war now. That was how we ended the last global depression. But handled 2008 much better. Unemployment only went into double digits for a couple of quarters and then headed back down again. That will happen this time too, you watch. The US has printed almost $8 TRILLION out of thin air in the last decade. (along with amassing a debt much larger than our GDP) It was worse with WW2 and we handled that fine. Some day someone is going to ask "how can we trust the dollar"? Nope, because there isnt another more trustable. Then **** will get real ugly, real fast How odd that it did after WW2. ? and that virus will be the least of our worries ... world wide. Mindless silly stuff. This virus will die out like the spanish flu did and the world will carry on regardless just like it did after WW1, |
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Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On 07/03/2020 12:54 PM, micky wrote:
The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Treat? There is no proven cure. I'm not equating the virus with the common rhinovirus but the treatment is the same; ameliorate the symptoms. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky
wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US, flattening the curve is really all we can expect. This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines. What do you think is going to work? |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
I have not missed a day of work yet. Mask, distance. Yes I am scared. Healthcare worker.
Scared, my wife has lyme, ten years. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 14:06:38 -0600, rbowman wrote:
On 07/03/2020 12:54 PM, micky wrote: The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Treat? There is no proven cure. I'm not equating the virus with the common rhinovirus but the treatment is the same; ameliorate the symptoms. "Treatment" is just attempt to keep the patient alive intill the disease runs it's course. We are down to one death in the last 3 weeks, 1 new case on Thursday, and 3 today in our region. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:18:24 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, called “a very disturbing week”. “I think it’s pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,” he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: “Today’s announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,” Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was “a historic thing”. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US, flattening the curve is really all we can expect. This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines. What do you think is going to work? Change your quarantine laws to give them some teeth and allow states to close their borders. Canada's Maritime provinces closed their borders. As of this week you can finally move between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and PEI - but you still can't get in from Quebec - or the Infected States of America. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 2:39:15 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. -- Bod And Trump is at Mt Rushmore right now, celebrating with fireworks. 7500 tickets given out, no masks, no social distancing, not even for the security folks. Another job well done! Herman Cain must be proud. Tomorrow it's a much bigger fireworks crowd in DC. Why Trump isn't at like 20% in the polls by now is incredible, sure looks like that's where he wants to be. Go Trump, Go! |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 1:36:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. At a certain point it is hard to tell which is the most serious problem. We could lose a few million to the virus or we could kill a billion or 2 in a world war. That was how we ended the last global depression. More drama from the drama queen. The US has printed almost $8 TRILLION out of thin air in the last decade. (along with amassing a debt much larger than our GDP) Some day someone is going to ask "how can we trust the dollar"? Then **** will get real ugly, real fast and that virus will be the least of our worries ... world wide. Not sure the result will be better with 500K dead and an economy in a wreck anyway. We had a chance to beat Covid, like China, Taiwan, SK, etc. Instead Trump accepted defeat, gave up and joined the crazy armed militias. Biden is right. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 2:54:57 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. At a certain point it is hard to tell which is the most serious problem. We could lose a few million to the virus or we could kill a billion or 2 in a world war. That was how we ended the last global depression. The US has printed almost $8 TRILLION out of thin air in the last decade. (along with amassing a debt much larger than our GDP) Some day someone is going to ask "how can we trust the dollar"? Then **** will get real ugly, real fast and that virus will be the least of our worries ... world wide. And now it's not flattened anymore, we just had three days with 50K+ new cases. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. In a truly free country It isnt that when you arent allowed to operate bars and hairdressers etc. with virtually open borders like the US, flattening the curve is really all we can expect. Thats bull****. New Zealand stamped out their virus and Taiwan only got SEVEN killed by it. This is not an island Neither is Austria. and we have no real way to enforce quarantines. China did. What do you think is going to work? Get most to self isolate until they are no longer infectious. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:48:43 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:18:24 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US, flattening the curve is really all we can expect. This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines. What do you think is going to work? Change your quarantine laws to give them some teeth and allow states to close their borders. Canada's Maritime provinces closed their borders. As of this week you can finally move between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and PEI - but you still can't get in from Quebec - or the Infected States of America. OK I suppose we could just scrub off the concept of habeas corpus from the constitution. Until then, if the person files a writ, it is up to the state to prove there is a reason to hold them. Simply crossing a state line or a border, with proper documentation, there is no "case of rebellion or invasion" Article One, Section 9, clause 2. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 19:10:25 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 1:36:27 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. At a certain point it is hard to tell which is the most serious problem. We could lose a few million to the virus or we could kill a billion or 2 in a world war. That was how we ended the last global depression. More drama from the drama queen. What do you call all of this Covid panic? The US has printed almost $8 TRILLION out of thin air in the last decade. (along with amassing a debt much larger than our GDP) Some day someone is going to ask "how can we trust the dollar"? Then **** will get real ugly, real fast and that virus will be the least of our worries ... world wide. Not sure the result will be better with 500K dead and an economy in a wreck anyway. We had a chance to beat Covid, like China, Taiwan, SK, etc. Instead Trump accepted defeat, gave up and joined the crazy armed militias. Biden is right. If the economy collapses and the dollar crashes, we will worry a lot more about how we will pay the interest on the debt than whether some old people die a year early. We could easily lose a lot more people if the feds stop being able to afford Medicare and Medicaid. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On 03/07/2020 23:18, wrote:
On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US, flattening the curve is really all we can expect. This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines. What do you think is going to work? People using common sense, not like folk with a laissez faire attitude similar to Trump or Muggles. -- Bod |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:48:43 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:18:24 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US, flattening the curve is really all we can expect. This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines. What do you think is going to work? Change your quarantine laws to give them some teeth and allow states to close their borders. Canada's Maritime provinces closed their borders. As of this week you can finally move between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and PEI - but you still can't get in from Quebec - or the Infected States of America. OK I suppose we could just scrub off the concept of habeas corpus from the constitution. Quarantine isnt arrest, stupid. Worked fine in Ellis Island. Until then, if the person files a writ, it is up to the state to prove there is a reason to hold them. And the reason is that they are infected, stupid. Simply crossing a state line or a border, with proper documentation, there is no "case of rebellion or invasion" Doesnt need to be either. Article One, Section 9, clause 2. Pity about the other relevant bits of the constitution. And it doesnt have to be explicitly allowed by the constitution anyway. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 19:10:25 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Friday, July 3, 2020 at 1:36:27 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. At a certain point it is hard to tell which is the most serious problem. We could lose a few million to the virus or we could kill a billion or 2 in a world war. That was how we ended the last global depression. More drama from the drama queen. What do you call all of this Covid panic? Appropriate measures in a pandemic. The US has printed almost $8 TRILLION out of thin air in the last decade. (along with amassing a debt much larger than our GDP) Some day someone is going to ask "how can we trust the dollar"? Then **** will get real ugly, real fast and that virus will be the least of our worries ... world wide. Not sure the result will be better with 500K dead and an economy in a wreck anyway. We had a chance to beat Covid, like China, Taiwan, SK, etc. Instead Trump accepted defeat, gave up and joined the crazy armed militias. Biden is right. If the economy collapses It didnt even in the great depression. and the dollar crashes, It didnt even in the great depression. we will worry a lot more about how we will pay the interest on the debt than whether some old people die a year early. That last is flagrantly dishonest. We could easily lose a lot more people if the feds stop being able to afford Medicare and Medicaid. Thats bull**** too. |
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Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:44:45 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 14:06:38 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 07/03/2020 12:54 PM, micky wrote: The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Treat? There is no proven cure. You don't understand the difference between treat and cure? So since there is no cure, if you or someone in your family got it, you'd stay home and let what happens happen? I'm not equating the virus with the common rhinovirus but the treatment is the same; ameliorate the symptoms. "Treatment" is just attempt to keep the patient alive intill the disease runs it's course. So maybe you do understand. So why did you bother to post since you're agreeing with me. Just too quarrelsome to stop yourself? We are down to one death in the last 3 weeks, 1 new case on Thursday, and 3 today in our region. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 23:09:00 -0400,
wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:48:43 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:18:24 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, called “a very disturbing week”. “I think it’s pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,” he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: “Today’s announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,” Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was “a historic thing”. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US, flattening the curve is really all we can expect. This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines. What do you think is going to work? Change your quarantine laws to give them some teeth and allow states to close their borders. Canada's Maritime provinces closed their borders. As of this week you can finally move between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and PEI - but you still can't get in from Quebec - or the Infected States of America. OK I suppose we could just scrub off the concept of habeas corpus from the constitution. Until then, if the person files a writ, it is up to the state to prove there is a reason to hold them. Simply crossing a state line or a border, with proper documentation, there is no "case of rebellion or invasion" Article One, Section 9, clause 2. Habeas corpus relates to the government holding someone. Not the same as closing a national or state border. not saying there aren't issues but it's not that. And the Reps in the Senate still don't understand that masks work, so it's not likely they'll go stronger than that. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On 7/4/2020 1:19 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:44:45 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 14:06:38 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 07/03/2020 12:54 PM, micky wrote: The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Treat? There is no proven cure. You don't understand the difference between treat and cure? So since there is no cure, if you or someone in your family got it, you'd stay home and let what happens happen? I'm not equating the virus with the common rhinovirus but the treatment is the same; ameliorate the symptoms. "Treatment" is just attempt to keep the patient alive intill the disease runs it's course. So maybe you do understand. So why did you bother to post since you're agreeing with me. Just too quarrelsome to stop yourself? We are down to one death in the last 3 weeks, 1 new case on Thursday, and 3 today in our region. We are down to 5-600 deaths per day, which will probably start climbing fast in the next couple weeks. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On 7/3/2020 1:39 AM, Bod wrote:
Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. Who cares?? People are going back to living normal lives and most don't even know they've had the virus. It's time to more on. -- Maggie |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On 7/4/2020 9:16 AM, Muggles wrote:
On 7/3/2020 1:39 AM, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. Who cares?? People are going back to living normal lives and most don't even know they've had the virus. It's time to more on. How are those normal lives working out in your neighbor Texas state? https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...amid-statewide Are they scared, or what? https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07...y-coronavirus/ |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On 07/04/2020 02:19 AM, micky wrote:
You don't understand the difference between treat and cure? So since there is no cure, if you or someone in your family got it, you'd stay home and let what happens happen? If you compare positive cases versus hospitalizations, that is exactly what happens. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 04:22:35 +0100, Bod wrote:
On 03/07/2020 23:18, wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US, flattening the curve is really all we can expect. This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines. What do you think is going to work? People using common sense, not like folk with a laissez faire attitude similar to Trump or Muggles. Common sense is not that common but some of us use the principle of "get the **** away from me" and washing our hands a lot. I suspect people in pickup bars are not as careful. Corona might not be the only virus they can catch there tho. They are also toying with herpes, HPV, HIV and the various forms of hepatitis. They might not think Corona is the most dangerous of those for a 20 something. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 14:13:51 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:48:43 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:18:24 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US, flattening the curve is really all we can expect. This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines. What do you think is going to work? Change your quarantine laws to give them some teeth and allow states to close their borders. Canada's Maritime provinces closed their borders. As of this week you can finally move between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and PEI - but you still can't get in from Quebec - or the Infected States of America. OK I suppose we could just scrub off the concept of habeas corpus from the constitution. Quarantine isnt arrest, stupid. Worked fine in Ellis Island. If you are confined against your will, it is arrest. BTW the law got rid of Ellis Island type detention about the same time we let black kids go to "white" schools. Try to keep up. Until then, if the person files a writ, it is up to the state to prove there is a reason to hold them. And the reason is that they are infected, stupid. The quarantine in those places you and Trader love does not depend on being tested positive. Simply crossing a state line or a border, with proper documentation, there is no "case of rebellion or invasion" Doesnt need to be either. Article One, Section 9, clause 2. Pity about the other relevant bits of the constitution. And it doesnt have to be explicitly allowed by the constitution anyway. Read the 9th amendment and try to understand it. If the government is not granted a specific power, the right belongs to the people. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 04:32:48 -0400, micky
wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 23:09:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:48:43 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:18:24 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US, flattening the curve is really all we can expect. This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines. What do you think is going to work? Change your quarantine laws to give them some teeth and allow states to close their borders. Canada's Maritime provinces closed their borders. As of this week you can finally move between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and PEI - but you still can't get in from Quebec - or the Infected States of America. OK I suppose we could just scrub off the concept of habeas corpus from the constitution. Until then, if the person files a writ, it is up to the state to prove there is a reason to hold them. Simply crossing a state line or a border, with proper documentation, there is no "case of rebellion or invasion" Article One, Section 9, clause 2. Habeas corpus relates to the government holding someone. Not the same as closing a national or state border. not saying there aren't issues but it's not that. And the Reps in the Senate still don't understand that masks work, so it's not likely they'll go stronger than that. You can close borders, even state borders but if you are confining someone without due process simply for lawfully crossing a border,m with no evidence that they are even sick, you are setting a very dangerous precedent. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 4 Jul 2020 11:28:38 -0600, rbowman
wrote: On 07/04/2020 02:19 AM, micky wrote: You don't understand the difference between treat and cure? So since there is no cure, if you or someone in your family got it, you'd stay home and let what happens happen? If you compare positive cases versus hospitalizations, that is exactly what happens. What is what happens? If you mean, inarticulately, that the death rate is the same, that's nonsense. And I don't believe you either. You'd be at the hospital,pleading for help. You would not be watching yourself or a family member get worse or die at home. But if you have an answer, don't expect me to read it. I have't read your posts in years, and I only saw this one because Clare quoted it. I'd started my answer before I noticed it was you. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
On 7/4/2020 10:57 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 04:32:48 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 23:09:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:48:43 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:18:24 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US, flattening the curve is really all we can expect. This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines. What do you think is going to work? Change your quarantine laws to give them some teeth and allow states to close their borders. Canada's Maritime provinces closed their borders. As of this week you can finally move between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and PEI - but you still can't get in from Quebec - or the Infected States of America. OK I suppose we could just scrub off the concept of habeas corpus from the constitution. Until then, if the person files a writ, it is up to the state to prove there is a reason to hold them. Simply crossing a state line or a border, with proper documentation, there is no "case of rebellion or invasion" Article One, Section 9, clause 2. Habeas corpus relates to the government holding someone. Not the same as closing a national or state border. not saying there aren't issues but it's not that. And the Reps in the Senate still don't understand that masks work, so it's not likely they'll go stronger than that. You can close borders, even state borders but if you are confining someone without due process simply for lawfully crossing a border,m with no evidence that they are even sick, you are setting a very dangerous precedent. Really? "Under 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71, CDC is authorized to detain, medically examine, and release persons arriving into the United States and traveling between states who are suspected of carrying these communicable diseases. As part of its federal authority, CDC routinely monitors persons arriving at U.S. land border crossings and passengers and crew arriving at U.S. ports of entry for signs or symptoms of communicable diseases. When alerted about an ill passenger or crew member by the pilot of a plane or captain of a ship, CDC may detain passengers and crew as necessary to investigate whether the cause of the illness on board is a communicable disease." "If a quarantinable disease is suspected or identified, CDC may issue a federal isolation or quarantine order. Public health authorities at the federal, state, local, and tribal levels may sometimes seek help from police or other law enforcement officers to enforce a public health order. U.S. Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Coast Guard officers are authorized to help enforce federal quarantine orders. Breaking a federal quarantine order is punishable by fines and imprisonment. Federal law allows the conditional release of persons from quarantine if they comply with medical monitoring and surveillance." https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/about...isolation.html |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
wrote in message ... On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 14:13:51 +1000, "Rod Speed" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:48:43 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:18:24 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US, flattening the curve is really all we can expect. This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines. What do you think is going to work? Change your quarantine laws to give them some teeth and allow states to close their borders. Canada's Maritime provinces closed their borders. As of this week you can finally move between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and PEI - but you still can't get in from Quebec - or the Infected States of America. OK I suppose we could just scrub off the concept of habeas corpus from the constitution. Quarantine isnt arrest, stupid. Worked fine in Ellis Island. If you are confined against your will, it is arrest. Wrong, most obviously with quarantine. BTW the law got rid of Ellis Island type detention about the same time we let black kids go to "white" schools. Only because we had better ways of dealing with infected people then. Until then, if the person files a writ, it is up to the state to prove there is a reason to hold them. And the reason is that they are infected, stupid. The quarantine in those places you and Trader love It isnt love, its what works, stupid. does not depend on being tested positive. Yes, they are quarantined until we can see if they are infected or not. Simply crossing a state line or a border, with proper documentation, there is no "case of rebellion or invasion" Doesnt need to be either. Article One, Section 9, clause 2. Pity about the other relevant bits of the constitution. And it doesnt have to be explicitly allowed by the constitution anyway. Read the 9th amendment Its irrelevant to quarantine. And thats why Ellis Island was allowed. If the government is not granted a specific power, the right belongs to the people. Thats pig ignorant bull**** too with quarantine. |
Virus is is now rising in 40 out of 50 states
wrote in message ... On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 04:32:48 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 23:09:00 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:48:43 -0400, Clare Snyder wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 18:18:24 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:54:05 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:35:28 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:39:10 +0100, Bod wrote: Now there are fears hospitals could run out of ICU beds, after what Dr Anthony Fauci, the governments top infectious disease expert, called €śa very disturbing week€ť. €śI think its pretty obvious that we are not going in the right direction,€ť he said. https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...c2951995ec0c88 Then you hear from the chief dickhead: €śTodays announcement proves that our economy is roaring back,€ť Mr Trump told reporters, saying his effort to beat the virus was €śa historic thing€ť. We are trying to walk that fine line between flattening the curve and national bankruptcy. You realize, I hope, that flattening the curve was/is only an intermediate goal. It was a goal at the start so that hospitals in a given area don't become overwhelmeed by sick people. But even with a flat curve (is that a paradox?) there will still be people sick with Covid, may as many as will fill all the empty hospital beds, inc. the empty ICU beds. And 5% of those people will still be dying The actual goal is to isolate everyone with the virus, to track down those they've been in contact with and isolate them, and treat them all medically, until the virus stops spreading. (Until someone infected comes from a different country or a different part of this country.) Too many people think flattening the curve is the best and final goal. In a truly free country with virtually open borders like the US, flattening the curve is really all we can expect. This is not an island and we have no real way to enforce quarantines. What do you think is going to work? Change your quarantine laws to give them some teeth and allow states to close their borders. Canada's Maritime provinces closed their borders. As of this week you can finally move between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and PEI - but you still can't get in from Quebec - or the Infected States of America. OK I suppose we could just scrub off the concept of habeas corpus from the constitution. Until then, if the person files a writ, it is up to the state to prove there is a reason to hold them. Simply crossing a state line or a border, with proper documentation, there is no "case of rebellion or invasion" Article One, Section 9, clause 2. Habeas corpus relates to the government holding someone. Not the same as closing a national or state border. not saying there aren't issues but it's not that. And the Reps in the Senate still don't understand that masks work, so it's not likely they'll go stronger than that. You can close borders, even state borders but if you are confining someone without due process simply for lawfully crossing a border,m with no evidence that they are even sick, you are setting a very dangerous precedent. How odd that Ellis Island didnt. |
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