On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/27/2020 5:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:51:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:


It really looks like we should keep protecting the old and sick but
healthy folks seem to be shaking this thing off.

There are plenty of young people in the hospital and dead too. This
isn't the flu.

I always hear these stories but they are always pretty short on
details and it is a very small percentage. (1.9% under 40 on the New
York dashboard). Did they smoke, vape, work in a hazardous place with
particulate or VOC pollution, is there anything that sets these 307
people apart from the other couple million people who contracted the
disease and didn't get sick?

Is age 40 now the new 76? If 50% of the US population became infected,
applying your 1.9% death rate to those under 40, 170 mil, you have
1.5 mil dead. And that's just the dead, not all the hospitalizations
for weeks, etc in just the under 40 group. It's near the high end of
the 2.2 mil Imperial College estimate for the whole population.
That sounds acceptable to you?
It's not the flu, which BTW, people with pre-existing conditions contend
with and have a much lower hospitalization and death rate.

And it it goes wild, you have to count all the deaths of people that
can't get into hospitals overflowing with covid, or died because they
were afraid to get near the hospital. Covid will be responsible for all
those.

There are also HUGE numbers of people dying of the disease who are not
included in the published counts, but can be seen clearly in the huge
raise in deaths rates everywhere compared to previous records for the
same times spans in previous years.

Yes, we were discussing that here a few days ago. NYC added 3700 deaths
as probably caused by Covid, based on going back and reviewing records.
That still leaves ~3000 more deaths in the same period compared to other
years. It would seem reasonable that those are attributable to Covid too.
The Covid minimizers want to use the highest antibody test rates for the
population, eg 22% for NYC, but then deny that if it's that high, there
are likely plenty of people who did from effects of it that went unnoticed.
We know that it causes heart problems, strokes, etc. It's not unreasonable
that some people had only minor recognizable symptoms over the last few
months, died from a stroke or heart attack, and were never diagnosed as
having Covid. If you add those in, then you get an even higher Covid
death rate.



If you understand what a stroke or a heart attack is, it would be
pretty hard to confuse that with Covid.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:19:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/27/2020 5:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:51:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:


It really looks like we should keep protecting the old and sick but
healthy folks seem to be shaking this thing off.

There are plenty of young people in the hospital and dead too. This
isn't the flu.

I always hear these stories but they are always pretty short on
details and it is a very small percentage. (1.9% under 40 on the New
York dashboard). Did they smoke, vape, work in a hazardous place with
particulate or VOC pollution, is there anything that sets these 307
people apart from the other couple million people who contracted the
disease and didn't get sick?

Is age 40 now the new 76? If 50% of the US population became infected,
applying your 1.9% death rate to those under 40, 170 mil, you have
1.5 mil dead. And that's just the dead, not all the hospitalizations
for weeks, etc in just the under 40 group. It's near the high end of
the 2.2 mil Imperial College estimate for the whole population.
That sounds acceptable to you?
It's not the flu, which BTW, people with pre-existing conditions contend
with and have a much lower hospitalization and death rate.

And it it goes wild, you have to count all the deaths of people that
can't get into hospitals overflowing with covid, or died because they
were afraid to get near the hospital. Covid will be responsible for all
those.

There are also HUGE numbers of people dying of the disease who are not
included in the published counts, but can be seen clearly in the huge
raise in deaths rates everywhere compared to previous records for the
same times spans in previous years.

Yes, we were discussing that here a few days ago. NYC added 3700 deaths
as probably caused by Covid, based on going back and reviewing records.
That still leaves ~3000 more deaths in the same period compared to other
years. It would seem reasonable that those are attributable to Covid too.
The Covid minimizers want to use the highest antibody test rates for the
population, eg 22% for NYC, but then deny that if it's that high, there
are likely plenty of people who did from effects of it that went unnoticed.
We know that it causes heart problems, strokes, etc. It's not unreasonable
that some people had only minor recognizable symptoms over the last few
months, died from a stroke or heart attack, and were never diagnosed as
having Covid. If you add those in, then you get an even higher Covid
death rate.



If you understand what a stroke or a heart attack is, it would be
pretty hard to confuse that with Covid.
Except Covid is being found to CAUSE strokes - Some in "asymptomatic"
young people.

From CTV News:

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in
their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported
Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have
heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.

There's growing evidence that COVID-19 infection can cause the blood
to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence
of that.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:50:51 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:19:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/27/2020 5:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:51:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:


It really looks like we should keep protecting the old and sick but
healthy folks seem to be shaking this thing off.

There are plenty of young people in the hospital and dead too. This
isn't the flu.

I always hear these stories but they are always pretty short on
details and it is a very small percentage. (1.9% under 40 on the New
York dashboard). Did they smoke, vape, work in a hazardous place with
particulate or VOC pollution, is there anything that sets these 307
people apart from the other couple million people who contracted the
disease and didn't get sick?

Is age 40 now the new 76? If 50% of the US population became infected,
applying your 1.9% death rate to those under 40, 170 mil, you have
1.5 mil dead. And that's just the dead, not all the hospitalizations
for weeks, etc in just the under 40 group. It's near the high end of
the 2.2 mil Imperial College estimate for the whole population.
That sounds acceptable to you?
It's not the flu, which BTW, people with pre-existing conditions contend
with and have a much lower hospitalization and death rate.

And it it goes wild, you have to count all the deaths of people that
can't get into hospitals overflowing with covid, or died because they
were afraid to get near the hospital. Covid will be responsible for all
those.

There are also HUGE numbers of people dying of the disease who are not
included in the published counts, but can be seen clearly in the huge
raise in deaths rates everywhere compared to previous records for the
same times spans in previous years.

Yes, we were discussing that here a few days ago. NYC added 3700 deaths
as probably caused by Covid, based on going back and reviewing records.
That still leaves ~3000 more deaths in the same period compared to other
years. It would seem reasonable that those are attributable to Covid too.
The Covid minimizers want to use the highest antibody test rates for the
population, eg 22% for NYC, but then deny that if it's that high, there
are likely plenty of people who did from effects of it that went unnoticed.
We know that it causes heart problems, strokes, etc. It's not unreasonable
that some people had only minor recognizable symptoms over the last few
months, died from a stroke or heart attack, and were never diagnosed as
having Covid. If you add those in, then you get an even higher Covid
death rate.



If you understand what a stroke or a heart attack is, it would be
pretty hard to confuse that with Covid.
Except Covid is being found to CAUSE strokes - Some in "asymptomatic"
young people.

From CTV News:

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in
their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported
Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have
heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.

There's growing evidence that COVID-19 infection can cause the blood
to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence
of that.

Sounds like a medical diagnosis made in the accounting office.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:17:11 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:50:51 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:19:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/27/2020 5:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:51:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:


It really looks like we should keep protecting the old and sick but
healthy folks seem to be shaking this thing off.

There are plenty of young people in the hospital and dead too. This
isn't the flu.

I always hear these stories but they are always pretty short on
details and it is a very small percentage. (1.9% under 40 on the New
York dashboard). Did they smoke, vape, work in a hazardous place with
particulate or VOC pollution, is there anything that sets these 307
people apart from the other couple million people who contracted the
disease and didn't get sick?

Is age 40 now the new 76? If 50% of the US population became infected,
applying your 1.9% death rate to those under 40, 170 mil, you have
1.5 mil dead. And that's just the dead, not all the hospitalizations
for weeks, etc in just the under 40 group. It's near the high end of
the 2.2 mil Imperial College estimate for the whole population.
That sounds acceptable to you?
It's not the flu, which BTW, people with pre-existing conditions contend
with and have a much lower hospitalization and death rate.

And it it goes wild, you have to count all the deaths of people that
can't get into hospitals overflowing with covid, or died because they
were afraid to get near the hospital. Covid will be responsible for all
those.

There are also HUGE numbers of people dying of the disease who are not
included in the published counts, but can be seen clearly in the huge
raise in deaths rates everywhere compared to previous records for the
same times spans in previous years.

Yes, we were discussing that here a few days ago. NYC added 3700 deaths
as probably caused by Covid, based on going back and reviewing records.
That still leaves ~3000 more deaths in the same period compared to other
years. It would seem reasonable that those are attributable to Covid too.
The Covid minimizers want to use the highest antibody test rates for the
population, eg 22% for NYC, but then deny that if it's that high, there
are likely plenty of people who did from effects of it that went unnoticed.
We know that it causes heart problems, strokes, etc. It's not unreasonable
that some people had only minor recognizable symptoms over the last few
months, died from a stroke or heart attack, and were never diagnosed as
having Covid. If you add those in, then you get an even higher Covid
death rate.



If you understand what a stroke or a heart attack is, it would be
pretty hard to confuse that with Covid.
Except Covid is being found to CAUSE strokes - Some in "asymptomatic"
young people.

From CTV News:

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in
their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported
Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have
heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.

There's growing evidence that COVID-19 infection can cause the blood
to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence
of that.

Sounds like a medical diagnosis made in the accounting office.

Absolutely no evidence of that. CTV is Canadian and in Canada there
is no incentive to call something COVID that's not because the doc /
hospital gets paid either way - no "profit incentive".

I call Bovine excrement on Mr Fretwell AGAIN. Gee this is getting
repetitive!!!

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:44:32 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:17:11 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:50:51 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:19:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/27/2020 5:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:51:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:


It really looks like we should keep protecting the old and sick but
healthy folks seem to be shaking this thing off.

There are plenty of young people in the hospital and dead too. This
isn't the flu.

I always hear these stories but they are always pretty short on
details and it is a very small percentage. (1.9% under 40 on the New
York dashboard). Did they smoke, vape, work in a hazardous place with
particulate or VOC pollution, is there anything that sets these 307
people apart from the other couple million people who contracted the
disease and didn't get sick?

Is age 40 now the new 76? If 50% of the US population became infected,
applying your 1.9% death rate to those under 40, 170 mil, you have
1.5 mil dead. And that's just the dead, not all the hospitalizations
for weeks, etc in just the under 40 group. It's near the high end of
the 2.2 mil Imperial College estimate for the whole population.
That sounds acceptable to you?
It's not the flu, which BTW, people with pre-existing conditions contend
with and have a much lower hospitalization and death rate.

And it it goes wild, you have to count all the deaths of people that
can't get into hospitals overflowing with covid, or died because they
were afraid to get near the hospital. Covid will be responsible for all
those.

There are also HUGE numbers of people dying of the disease who are not
included in the published counts, but can be seen clearly in the huge
raise in deaths rates everywhere compared to previous records for the
same times spans in previous years.

Yes, we were discussing that here a few days ago. NYC added 3700 deaths
as probably caused by Covid, based on going back and reviewing records.
That still leaves ~3000 more deaths in the same period compared to other
years. It would seem reasonable that those are attributable to Covid too.
The Covid minimizers want to use the highest antibody test rates for the
population, eg 22% for NYC, but then deny that if it's that high, there
are likely plenty of people who did from effects of it that went unnoticed.
We know that it causes heart problems, strokes, etc. It's not unreasonable
that some people had only minor recognizable symptoms over the last few
months, died from a stroke or heart attack, and were never diagnosed as
having Covid. If you add those in, then you get an even higher Covid
death rate.



If you understand what a stroke or a heart attack is, it would be
pretty hard to confuse that with Covid.
Except Covid is being found to CAUSE strokes - Some in "asymptomatic"
young people.

From CTV News:

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in
their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported
Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have
heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.

There's growing evidence that COVID-19 infection can cause the blood
to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence
of that.

Sounds like a medical diagnosis made in the accounting office.

Absolutely no evidence of that. CTV is Canadian and in Canada there
is no incentive to call something COVID that's not because the doc /
hospital gets paid either way - no "profit incentive".

I call Bovine excrement on Mr Fretwell AGAIN. Gee this is getting
repetitive!!!

That is because there is no financial incentive there, like we created
here.
The difference between $5000 and $39,000 is enough to make someone, in
the absence of a test, to say "It might be Covid".
The reality is Covid victims usually die of Pneumonia as do a lot of
people with other issues, including the flu.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:19:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:44:32 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:17:11 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:50:51 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:19:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/27/2020 5:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:51:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:


It really looks like we should keep protecting the old and sick but
healthy folks seem to be shaking this thing off.

There are plenty of young people in the hospital and dead too. This
isn't the flu.

I always hear these stories but they are always pretty short on
details and it is a very small percentage. (1.9% under 40 on the New
York dashboard). Did they smoke, vape, work in a hazardous place with
particulate or VOC pollution, is there anything that sets these 307
people apart from the other couple million people who contracted the
disease and didn't get sick?

Is age 40 now the new 76? If 50% of the US population became infected,
applying your 1.9% death rate to those under 40, 170 mil, you have
1.5 mil dead. And that's just the dead, not all the hospitalizations
for weeks, etc in just the under 40 group. It's near the high end of
the 2.2 mil Imperial College estimate for the whole population.
That sounds acceptable to you?
It's not the flu, which BTW, people with pre-existing conditions contend
with and have a much lower hospitalization and death rate.

And it it goes wild, you have to count all the deaths of people that
can't get into hospitals overflowing with covid, or died because they
were afraid to get near the hospital. Covid will be responsible for all
those.

There are also HUGE numbers of people dying of the disease who are not
included in the published counts, but can be seen clearly in the huge
raise in deaths rates everywhere compared to previous records for the
same times spans in previous years.

Yes, we were discussing that here a few days ago. NYC added 3700 deaths
as probably caused by Covid, based on going back and reviewing records.
That still leaves ~3000 more deaths in the same period compared to other
years. It would seem reasonable that those are attributable to Covid too.
The Covid minimizers want to use the highest antibody test rates for the
population, eg 22% for NYC, but then deny that if it's that high, there
are likely plenty of people who did from effects of it that went unnoticed.
We know that it causes heart problems, strokes, etc. It's not unreasonable
that some people had only minor recognizable symptoms over the last few
months, died from a stroke or heart attack, and were never diagnosed as
having Covid. If you add those in, then you get an even higher Covid
death rate.



If you understand what a stroke or a heart attack is, it would be
pretty hard to confuse that with Covid.
Except Covid is being found to CAUSE strokes - Some in "asymptomatic"
young people.

From CTV News:

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in
their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported
Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have
heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.

There's growing evidence that COVID-19 infection can cause the blood
to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence
of that.

Sounds like a medical diagnosis made in the accounting office.

Absolutely no evidence of that. CTV is Canadian and in Canada there
is no incentive to call something COVID that's not because the doc /
hospital gets paid either way - no "profit incentive".

I call Bovine excrement on Mr Fretwell AGAIN. Gee this is getting
repetitive!!!

That is because there is no financial incentive there, like we created
here.
The difference between $5000 and $39,000 is enough to make someone, in
the absence of a test, to say "It might be Covid".
The reality is Covid victims usually die of Pneumonia as do a lot of
people with other issues, including the flu.
So that changes the fact that some younger folks die of strokes from
Covid? Or they only die that way in Canada? Or that doesn't make your
statements BS?
You are a confused old fool??

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 10:18:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:50:51 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:19:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/27/2020 5:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:51:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:


It really looks like we should keep protecting the old and sick but
healthy folks seem to be shaking this thing off.

There are plenty of young people in the hospital and dead too. This
isn't the flu.

I always hear these stories but they are always pretty short on
details and it is a very small percentage. (1.9% under 40 on the New
York dashboard). Did they smoke, vape, work in a hazardous place with
particulate or VOC pollution, is there anything that sets these 307
people apart from the other couple million people who contracted the
disease and didn't get sick?

Is age 40 now the new 76? If 50% of the US population became infected,
applying your 1.9% death rate to those under 40, 170 mil, you have
1.5 mil dead. And that's just the dead, not all the hospitalizations
for weeks, etc in just the under 40 group. It's near the high end of
the 2.2 mil Imperial College estimate for the whole population.
That sounds acceptable to you?
It's not the flu, which BTW, people with pre-existing conditions contend
with and have a much lower hospitalization and death rate.

And it it goes wild, you have to count all the deaths of people that
can't get into hospitals overflowing with covid, or died because they
were afraid to get near the hospital. Covid will be responsible for all
those.

There are also HUGE numbers of people dying of the disease who are not
included in the published counts, but can be seen clearly in the huge
raise in deaths rates everywhere compared to previous records for the
same times spans in previous years.

Yes, we were discussing that here a few days ago. NYC added 3700 deaths
as probably caused by Covid, based on going back and reviewing records.
That still leaves ~3000 more deaths in the same period compared to other
years. It would seem reasonable that those are attributable to Covid too.
The Covid minimizers want to use the highest antibody test rates for the
population, eg 22% for NYC, but then deny that if it's that high, there
are likely plenty of people who did from effects of it that went unnoticed.
We know that it causes heart problems, strokes, etc. It's not unreasonable
that some people had only minor recognizable symptoms over the last few
months, died from a stroke or heart attack, and were never diagnosed as
having Covid. If you add those in, then you get an even higher Covid
death rate.



If you understand what a stroke or a heart attack is, it would be
pretty hard to confuse that with Covid.
Except Covid is being found to CAUSE strokes - Some in "asymptomatic"
young people.

From CTV News:

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in
their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported
Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have
heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.

There's growing evidence that COVID-19 infection can cause the blood
to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence
of that.

Sounds like a medical diagnosis made in the accounting office.

Always in denial and impugning the reputations of first responders and
doctors. Funny you find alleged shystering where there is zero evidence,
yet day after day you defend Trump, who is the biggest lying shyster we've
even seen. Doctors are reporting that Covid is believed to affect the
heart, that it appears to be causing strokes. And Trump said hyrdroxy and
zithro were the cure for Covid, a lot of people are taking that and one
of the known side effects of both of them are changes to heart rhythmn
that can cause heart attacks. Taken together they are far worse.

On 04/28/2020 10:43 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:19:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:44:32 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:17:11 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:50:51 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:19:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/27/2020 5:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:51:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:


It really looks like we should keep protecting the old and sick but
healthy folks seem to be shaking this thing off.

There are plenty of young people in the hospital and dead too. This
isn't the flu.

I always hear these stories but they are always pretty short on
details and it is a very small percentage. (1.9% under 40 on the New
York dashboard). Did they smoke, vape, work in a hazardous place with
particulate or VOC pollution, is there anything that sets these 307
people apart from the other couple million people who contracted the
disease and didn't get sick?

Is age 40 now the new 76? If 50% of the US population became infected,
applying your 1.9% death rate to those under 40, 170 mil, you have
1.5 mil dead. And that's just the dead, not all the hospitalizations
for weeks, etc in just the under 40 group. It's near the high end of
the 2.2 mil Imperial College estimate for the whole population.
That sounds acceptable to you?
It's not the flu, which BTW, people with pre-existing conditions contend
with and have a much lower hospitalization and death rate.

And it it goes wild, you have to count all the deaths of people that
can't get into hospitals overflowing with covid, or died because they
were afraid to get near the hospital. Covid will be responsible for all
those.

There are also HUGE numbers of people dying of the disease who are not
included in the published counts, but can be seen clearly in the huge
raise in deaths rates everywhere compared to previous records for the
same times spans in previous years.

Yes, we were discussing that here a few days ago. NYC added 3700 deaths
as probably caused by Covid, based on going back and reviewing records.
That still leaves ~3000 more deaths in the same period compared to other
years. It would seem reasonable that those are attributable to Covid too.
The Covid minimizers want to use the highest antibody test rates for the
population, eg 22% for NYC, but then deny that if it's that high, there
are likely plenty of people who did from effects of it that went unnoticed.
We know that it causes heart problems, strokes, etc. It's not unreasonable
that some people had only minor recognizable symptoms over the last few
months, died from a stroke or heart attack, and were never diagnosed as
having Covid. If you add those in, then you get an even higher Covid
death rate.



If you understand what a stroke or a heart attack is, it would be
pretty hard to confuse that with Covid.
Except Covid is being found to CAUSE strokes - Some in "asymptomatic"
young people.

From CTV News:

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in
their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported
Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have
heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.

There's growing evidence that COVID-19 infection can cause the blood
to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence
of that.

Sounds like a medical diagnosis made in the accounting office.

Absolutely no evidence of that. CTV is Canadian and in Canada there
is no incentive to call something COVID that's not because the doc /
hospital gets paid either way - no "profit incentive".

I call Bovine excrement on Mr Fretwell AGAIN. Gee this is getting
repetitive!!!

That is because there is no financial incentive there, like we created
here.
The difference between $5000 and $39,000 is enough to make someone, in
the absence of a test, to say "It might be Covid".
The reality is Covid victims usually die of Pneumonia as do a lot of
people with other issues, including the flu.
So that changes the fact that some younger folks die of strokes from
Covid? Or they only die that way in Canada? Or that doesn't make your
statements BS?
You are a confused old fool??


https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...-say-1.4910674

"Dr. Thomas Oxley, a neurosurgeon at Mount Sinai Health System in New
York, and colleagues gave details of five people they treated. All were
under the age of 50, and all had either mild symptoms of COVID-19
infection or no symptoms at all."

You Canadians don't even have your own news and have to go to NYC for it.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1948400

Even Fifi is a doctor at Mount Sinai in NYC.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:43:29 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 00:19:09 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:44:32 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:17:11 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:50:51 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:19:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/27/2020 5:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:51:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:


It really looks like we should keep protecting the old and sick but
healthy folks seem to be shaking this thing off.

There are plenty of young people in the hospital and dead too. This
isn't the flu.

I always hear these stories but they are always pretty short on
details and it is a very small percentage. (1.9% under 40 on the New
York dashboard). Did they smoke, vape, work in a hazardous place with
particulate or VOC pollution, is there anything that sets these 307
people apart from the other couple million people who contracted the
disease and didn't get sick?

Is age 40 now the new 76? If 50% of the US population became infected,
applying your 1.9% death rate to those under 40, 170 mil, you have
1.5 mil dead. And that's just the dead, not all the hospitalizations
for weeks, etc in just the under 40 group. It's near the high end of
the 2.2 mil Imperial College estimate for the whole population.
That sounds acceptable to you?
It's not the flu, which BTW, people with pre-existing conditions contend
with and have a much lower hospitalization and death rate.

And it it goes wild, you have to count all the deaths of people that
can't get into hospitals overflowing with covid, or died because they
were afraid to get near the hospital. Covid will be responsible for all
those.

There are also HUGE numbers of people dying of the disease who are not
included in the published counts, but can be seen clearly in the huge
raise in deaths rates everywhere compared to previous records for the
same times spans in previous years.

Yes, we were discussing that here a few days ago. NYC added 3700 deaths
as probably caused by Covid, based on going back and reviewing records.
That still leaves ~3000 more deaths in the same period compared to other
years. It would seem reasonable that those are attributable to Covid too.
The Covid minimizers want to use the highest antibody test rates for the
population, eg 22% for NYC, but then deny that if it's that high, there
are likely plenty of people who did from effects of it that went unnoticed.
We know that it causes heart problems, strokes, etc. It's not unreasonable
that some people had only minor recognizable symptoms over the last few
months, died from a stroke or heart attack, and were never diagnosed as
having Covid. If you add those in, then you get an even higher Covid
death rate.



If you understand what a stroke or a heart attack is, it would be
pretty hard to confuse that with Covid.
Except Covid is being found to CAUSE strokes - Some in "asymptomatic"
young people.

From CTV News:

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in
their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported
Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have
heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.

There's growing evidence that COVID-19 infection can cause the blood
to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence
of that.

Sounds like a medical diagnosis made in the accounting office.

Absolutely no evidence of that. CTV is Canadian and in Canada there
is no incentive to call something COVID that's not because the doc /
hospital gets paid either way - no "profit incentive".

I call Bovine excrement on Mr Fretwell AGAIN. Gee this is getting
repetitive!!!

That is because there is no financial incentive there, like we created
here.
The difference between $5000 and $39,000 is enough to make someone, in
the absence of a test, to say "It might be Covid".
The reality is Covid victims usually die of Pneumonia as do a lot of
people with other issues, including the flu.
So that changes the fact that some younger folks die of strokes from
Covid? Or they only die that way in Canada? Or that doesn't make your
statements BS?
You are a confused old fool??

Skeptical is a better word. Next you will be saying people died from
Covid in a traffic accident because they sneezed and didn't see the
red light.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 05:19:46 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 10:18:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:50:51 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:19:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/27/2020 5:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:51:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:


It really looks like we should keep protecting the old and sick but
healthy folks seem to be shaking this thing off.

There are plenty of young people in the hospital and dead too. This
isn't the flu.

I always hear these stories but they are always pretty short on
details and it is a very small percentage. (1.9% under 40 on the New
York dashboard). Did they smoke, vape, work in a hazardous place with
particulate or VOC pollution, is there anything that sets these 307
people apart from the other couple million people who contracted the
disease and didn't get sick?

Is age 40 now the new 76? If 50% of the US population became infected,
applying your 1.9% death rate to those under 40, 170 mil, you have
1.5 mil dead. And that's just the dead, not all the hospitalizations
for weeks, etc in just the under 40 group. It's near the high end of
the 2.2 mil Imperial College estimate for the whole population.
That sounds acceptable to you?
It's not the flu, which BTW, people with pre-existing conditions contend
with and have a much lower hospitalization and death rate.

And it it goes wild, you have to count all the deaths of people that
can't get into hospitals overflowing with covid, or died because they
were afraid to get near the hospital. Covid will be responsible for all
those.

There are also HUGE numbers of people dying of the disease who are not
included in the published counts, but can be seen clearly in the huge
raise in deaths rates everywhere compared to previous records for the
same times spans in previous years.

Yes, we were discussing that here a few days ago. NYC added 3700 deaths
as probably caused by Covid, based on going back and reviewing records.
That still leaves ~3000 more deaths in the same period compared to other
years. It would seem reasonable that those are attributable to Covid too.
The Covid minimizers want to use the highest antibody test rates for the
population, eg 22% for NYC, but then deny that if it's that high, there
are likely plenty of people who did from effects of it that went unnoticed.
We know that it causes heart problems, strokes, etc. It's not unreasonable
that some people had only minor recognizable symptoms over the last few
months, died from a stroke or heart attack, and were never diagnosed as
having Covid. If you add those in, then you get an even higher Covid
death rate.



If you understand what a stroke or a heart attack is, it would be
pretty hard to confuse that with Covid.
Except Covid is being found to CAUSE strokes - Some in "asymptomatic"
young people.

From CTV News:

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in
their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported
Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have
heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.

There's growing evidence that COVID-19 infection can cause the blood
to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence
of that.

Sounds like a medical diagnosis made in the accounting office.

Always in denial and impugning the reputations of first responders and
doctors. Funny you find alleged shystering where there is zero evidence,

Lack of evidence does not mean a lack of shady activity. I only have
to point to Hillary to demonstrate that.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:08:17 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 05:19:46 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 10:18:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:50:51 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:19:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/27/2020 5:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:51:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:


It really looks like we should keep protecting the old and sick but
healthy folks seem to be shaking this thing off.

There are plenty of young people in the hospital and dead too. This
isn't the flu.

I always hear these stories but they are always pretty short on
details and it is a very small percentage. (1.9% under 40 on the New
York dashboard). Did they smoke, vape, work in a hazardous place with
particulate or VOC pollution, is there anything that sets these 307
people apart from the other couple million people who contracted the
disease and didn't get sick?

Is age 40 now the new 76? If 50% of the US population became infected,
applying your 1.9% death rate to those under 40, 170 mil, you have
1.5 mil dead. And that's just the dead, not all the hospitalizations
for weeks, etc in just the under 40 group. It's near the high end of
the 2.2 mil Imperial College estimate for the whole population.
That sounds acceptable to you?
It's not the flu, which BTW, people with pre-existing conditions contend
with and have a much lower hospitalization and death rate.

And it it goes wild, you have to count all the deaths of people that
can't get into hospitals overflowing with covid, or died because they
were afraid to get near the hospital. Covid will be responsible for all
those.

There are also HUGE numbers of people dying of the disease who are not
included in the published counts, but can be seen clearly in the huge
raise in deaths rates everywhere compared to previous records for the
same times spans in previous years.

Yes, we were discussing that here a few days ago. NYC added 3700 deaths
as probably caused by Covid, based on going back and reviewing records.
That still leaves ~3000 more deaths in the same period compared to other
years. It would seem reasonable that those are attributable to Covid too.
The Covid minimizers want to use the highest antibody test rates for the
population, eg 22% for NYC, but then deny that if it's that high, there
are likely plenty of people who did from effects of it that went unnoticed.
We know that it causes heart problems, strokes, etc. It's not unreasonable
that some people had only minor recognizable symptoms over the last few
months, died from a stroke or heart attack, and were never diagnosed as
having Covid. If you add those in, then you get an even higher Covid
death rate.



If you understand what a stroke or a heart attack is, it would be
pretty hard to confuse that with Covid.
Except Covid is being found to CAUSE strokes - Some in "asymptomatic"
young people.

From CTV News:

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in
their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported
Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have
heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.

There's growing evidence that COVID-19 infection can cause the blood
to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence
of that.

Sounds like a medical diagnosis made in the accounting office.

Always in denial and impugning the reputations of first responders and
doctors. Funny you find alleged shystering where there is zero evidence,

Lack of evidence does not mean a lack of shady activity. I only have
to point to Hillary to demonstrate that.
Boy, I'm glad I never had / have to do business with you. You know
the old saying "takes one to know one"? Seeing a crook in every
situation pretty much tells what to expect of a person - - -

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:25:39 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:08:17 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 05:19:46 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 10:18:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:50:51 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:19:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/27/2020 5:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:51:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:


It really looks like we should keep protecting the old and sick but
healthy folks seem to be shaking this thing off.

There are plenty of young people in the hospital and dead too. This
isn't the flu.

I always hear these stories but they are always pretty short on
details and it is a very small percentage. (1.9% under 40 on the New
York dashboard). Did they smoke, vape, work in a hazardous place with
particulate or VOC pollution, is there anything that sets these 307
people apart from the other couple million people who contracted the
disease and didn't get sick?

Is age 40 now the new 76? If 50% of the US population became infected,
applying your 1.9% death rate to those under 40, 170 mil, you have
1.5 mil dead. And that's just the dead, not all the hospitalizations
for weeks, etc in just the under 40 group. It's near the high end of
the 2.2 mil Imperial College estimate for the whole population.
That sounds acceptable to you?
It's not the flu, which BTW, people with pre-existing conditions contend
with and have a much lower hospitalization and death rate.

And it it goes wild, you have to count all the deaths of people that
can't get into hospitals overflowing with covid, or died because they
were afraid to get near the hospital. Covid will be responsible for all
those.

There are also HUGE numbers of people dying of the disease who are not
included in the published counts, but can be seen clearly in the huge
raise in deaths rates everywhere compared to previous records for the
same times spans in previous years.

Yes, we were discussing that here a few days ago. NYC added 3700 deaths
as probably caused by Covid, based on going back and reviewing records.
That still leaves ~3000 more deaths in the same period compared to other
years. It would seem reasonable that those are attributable to Covid too.
The Covid minimizers want to use the highest antibody test rates for the
population, eg 22% for NYC, but then deny that if it's that high, there
are likely plenty of people who did from effects of it that went unnoticed.
We know that it causes heart problems, strokes, etc. It's not unreasonable
that some people had only minor recognizable symptoms over the last few
months, died from a stroke or heart attack, and were never diagnosed as
having Covid. If you add those in, then you get an even higher Covid
death rate.



If you understand what a stroke or a heart attack is, it would be
pretty hard to confuse that with Covid.
Except Covid is being found to CAUSE strokes - Some in "asymptomatic"
young people.

From CTV News:

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in
their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported
Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have
heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.

There's growing evidence that COVID-19 infection can cause the blood
to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence
of that.

Sounds like a medical diagnosis made in the accounting office.

Always in denial and impugning the reputations of first responders and
doctors. Funny you find alleged shystering where there is zero evidence,

Lack of evidence does not mean a lack of shady activity. I only have
to point to Hillary to demonstrate that.
Boy, I'm glad I never had / have to do business with you. You know
the old saying "takes one to know one"? Seeing a crook in every
situation pretty much tells what to expect of a person - - -

That's exactly my impression, as well.

Clare Snyder wrote :
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:19:07 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 05:58:20 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 11:28:45 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 4/27/2020 5:12 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 11:51:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:


It really looks like we should keep protecting the old and sick but
healthy folks seem to be shaking this thing off.

There are plenty of young people in the hospital and dead too. This
isn't the flu.

I always hear these stories but they are always pretty short on
details and it is a very small percentage. (1.9% under 40 on the New
York dashboard). Did they smoke, vape, work in a hazardous place with
particulate or VOC pollution, is there anything that sets these 307
people apart from the other couple million people who contracted the
disease and didn't get sick?

Is age 40 now the new 76? If 50% of the US population became infected,
applying your 1.9% death rate to those under 40, 170 mil, you have
1.5 mil dead. And that's just the dead, not all the hospitalizations
for weeks, etc in just the under 40 group. It's near the high end of
the 2.2 mil Imperial College estimate for the whole population.
That sounds acceptable to you?
It's not the flu, which BTW, people with pre-existing conditions contend
with and have a much lower hospitalization and death rate.

And it it goes wild, you have to count all the deaths of people that
can't get into hospitals overflowing with covid, or died because they
were afraid to get near the hospital. Covid will be responsible for all
those.

There are also HUGE numbers of people dying of the disease who are not
included in the published counts, but can be seen clearly in the huge
raise in deaths rates everywhere compared to previous records for the
same times spans in previous years.

Yes, we were discussing that here a few days ago. NYC added 3700 deaths
as probably caused by Covid, based on going back and reviewing records.
That still leaves ~3000 more deaths in the same period compared to other
years. It would seem reasonable that those are attributable to Covid too.
The Covid minimizers want to use the highest antibody test rates for the
population, eg 22% for NYC, but then deny that if it's that high, there
are likely plenty of people who did from effects of it that went unnoticed.
We know that it causes heart problems, strokes, etc. It's not unreasonable
that some people had only minor recognizable symptoms over the last few
months, died from a stroke or heart attack, and were never diagnosed as
having Covid. If you add those in, then you get an even higher Covid
death rate.



If you understand what a stroke or a heart attack is, it would be
pretty hard to confuse that with Covid.
Except Covid is being found to CAUSE strokes - Some in "asymptomatic"


young people.

From CTV News:

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in
their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported
Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have
heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.

There's growing evidence that COVID-19 infection can cause the blood
to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence
of that.

Also, some brainstem involvment I heard.