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Heat pumps much better now?
Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a
home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. |
Heat pumps much better now?
On 2020-04-20 2:14 p.m., micky wrote:
Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. it's not physics |
Heat pumps much better now?
On 4/20/20 4:14 PM, micky wrote:
Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. Research ground source heat pump. |
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Heat pumps much better now?
On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 5:53:03 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says... Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. Over the years the heat pumps have became more efficent. I have not checked it out, but maybe things like larger outside units to collect more heat from the air. Look at the HPSF ratings for the heat pumps. The units that operate in the open air usually work well to about 30 deg F. From around 25 to 30 deg F they are ok. Much below 25 deg they go down hill fast, or should say the operating cost go way up . They also have a SEER rating for the air condition cooling. They have improved, just like today a 14 SEER AC is the lowest you can buy where 30 years ago, 10 was common. How cost effective they are as always depends on the cost of electricity, cost of alternative fuels and climate. I can tell you I've never seen an air sourced system here in coastal NJ, which isn't all that cold. I have heard of ground sourced, which Dean mentioned, but I think when you look at the cost of the install, that's a losing proposition if you have nat gas available. |
Heat pumps much better now?
On 4/20/20 4:14 PM, micky wrote:
Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. A little information: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/heat-pumps/buying-guide/index.htm |
Heat pumps much better now?
On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:14:07 -0400, micky
wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. Ground source works a lot better than air source |
Heat pumps much better now?
On 4/20/2020 5:14 PM, micky wrote:
Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. My sister had one in her house in NJ. Worked OK but she moved from it 10 years ago so I have no details. Mine here in FL works great but the lowest temperature I've seen in two winters is 38 degrees. I have a well insulated house and mild winter climate. Winter electric bill was only $40. I have no supplemental heat and don't need it here. I'd look at other options if you have to replace your present system but it may be a good option. You mentionel oil heating in another thread. If you have to replace an old oil burner check out www.energykinetics.com They have some good systems and cut my oil use in CT by 40%. It paid for itself in oil savings. |
Heat pumps much better now?
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:40:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski
wrote: On 4/20/2020 5:14 PM, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. My sister had one in her house in NJ. Worked OK but she moved from it 10 years ago so I have no details. Mine here in FL works great but the lowest temperature I've seen in two winters is 38 degrees. I have a well insulated house and mild winter climate. Winter electric bill was only $40. I have no supplemental heat and don't need it here. I'd look at other options if you have to replace your present system but it may be a good option. You mentionel oil heating in another thread. Yes. There is no gas here. I was going to postpone a new furnace, but I shouldn't buy AC without considering a heatpump at the same time. If you have to replace an old oil burner check out www.energykinetics.com They have some good systems and cut my oil use in CT by 40%. It paid for itself in oil savings. It looks good but constantly talks about unlimited showers and boilers. That's for hot water heat, right? Not forced air. |
Heat pumps much better now?
On 4/21/2020 12:07 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:40:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/20/2020 5:14 PM, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. My sister had one in her house in NJ. Worked OK but she moved from it 10 years ago so I have no details. Mine here in FL works great but the lowest temperature I've seen in two winters is 38 degrees. I have a well insulated house and mild winter climate. Winter electric bill was only $40. I have no supplemental heat and don't need it here. I'd look at other options if you have to replace your present system but it may be a good option. You mentionel oil heating in another thread. Yes. There is no gas here. I was going to postpone a new furnace, but I shouldn't buy AC without considering a heatpump at the same time. If you have to replace an old oil burner check out www.energykinetics.com They have some good systems and cut my oil use in CT by 40%. It paid for itself in oil savings. It looks good but constantly talks about unlimited showers and boilers. That's for hot water heat, right? Not forced air. 11 years ago I build this house and had the builder install the best, at the time, HP. The HVAC talked me into spending about $200 more for an Amana unit, instead of a Goodman. Both are built in the same factory. The Amana has a lifetime replacement warranty on the entire outside unit. All for $200! |
Heat pumps much better now?
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 7:36:55 AM UTC-4, Todesco wrote:
On 4/21/2020 12:07 AM, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:40:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/20/2020 5:14 PM, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. My sister had one in her house in NJ. Worked OK but she moved from it 10 years ago so I have no details. Mine here in FL works great but the lowest temperature I've seen in two winters is 38 degrees. I have a well insulated house and mild winter climate. Winter electric bill was only $40. I have no supplemental heat and don't need it here. I'd look at other options if you have to replace your present system but it may be a good option. You mentionel oil heating in another thread. Yes. There is no gas here. I was going to postpone a new furnace, but I shouldn't buy AC without considering a heatpump at the same time. If you have to replace an old oil burner check out www.energykinetics.com They have some good systems and cut my oil use in CT by 40%. It paid for itself in oil savings. It looks good but constantly talks about unlimited showers and boilers. That's for hot water heat, right? Not forced air. 11 years ago I build this house and had the builder install the best, at the time, HP. The HVAC talked me into spending about $200 more for an Amana unit, instead of a Goodman. Both are built in the same factory. The Amana has a lifetime replacement warranty on the entire outside unit. All for $200! What are the details of that warranty? Will they replace it with an equivalent, no pro rating, even if there is no manufacturing defect? If so, that would be a great warranty. |
Heat pumps much better now?
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 07:36:49 -0400, Todesco
wrote: On 4/21/2020 12:07 AM, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:40:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/20/2020 5:14 PM, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. My sister had one in her house in NJ. Worked OK but she moved from it 10 years ago so I have no details. Mine here in FL works great but the lowest temperature I've seen in two winters is 38 degrees. I have a well insulated house and mild winter climate. Winter electric bill was only $40. I have no supplemental heat and don't need it here. I'd look at other options if you have to replace your present system but it may be a good option. You mentionel oil heating in another thread. Yes. There is no gas here. I was going to postpone a new furnace, but I shouldn't buy AC without considering a heatpump at the same time. If you have to replace an old oil burner check out www.energykinetics.com They have some good systems and cut my oil use in CT by 40%. It paid for itself in oil savings. It looks good but constantly talks about unlimited showers and boilers. That's for hot water heat, right? Not forced air. 11 years ago I build this house and had the builder install the best, at the time, HP. The HVAC talked me into spending about $200 more for an Amana unit, instead of a Goodman. Both are built in the same factory. The Amana has a lifetime replacement warranty on the entire outside unit. All for $200! Now you've confused me. Both build in same factory sounds like you think they're the same and not worth more, but the last line makes it sound like you think Amana is worth the extra 200. BTW, I think Goodman was bought by Dalton and now is called Dalton??? |
Heat pumps much better now?
On 4/21/2020 10:04 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 07:36:49 -0400, Todesco wrote: On 4/21/2020 12:07 AM, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:40:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/20/2020 5:14 PM, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. My sister had one in her house in NJ. Worked OK but she moved from it 10 years ago so I have no details. Mine here in FL works great but the lowest temperature I've seen in two winters is 38 degrees. I have a well insulated house and mild winter climate. Winter electric bill was only $40. I have no supplemental heat and don't need it here. I'd look at other options if you have to replace your present system but it may be a good option. You mentionel oil heating in another thread. Yes. There is no gas here. I was going to postpone a new furnace, but I shouldn't buy AC without considering a heatpump at the same time. If you have to replace an old oil burner check out www.energykinetics.com They have some good systems and cut my oil use in CT by 40%. It paid for itself in oil savings. It looks good but constantly talks about unlimited showers and boilers. That's for hot water heat, right? Not forced air. 11 years ago I build this house and had the builder install the best, at the time, HP. The HVAC talked me into spending about $200 more for an Amana unit, instead of a Goodman. Both are built in the same factory. The Amana has a lifetime replacement warranty on the entire outside unit. All for $200! Now you've confused me. Both build in same factory sounds like you think they're the same and not worth more, but the last line makes it sound like you think Amana is worth the extra 200. BTW, I think Goodman was bought by Dalton and now is called Dalton??? Built in the same factory does not mean they are identical, though for the most part they probably are. I've seen HVAC units built with the only change being the sticker with brand name, but I've also seen them with minor changes in features. |
Heat pumps much better now?
On 4/21/2020 9:20 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/21/2020 10:04 AM, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 07:36:49 -0400, Todesco wrote: .... 11 years ago I build this house and had the builder install the best, at the time, HP.Â* The HVAC talked me into spending about $200 more for an Amana unit, instead of a Goodman.Â* Both are built in the same factory. The Amana has a lifetime replacement warranty on the entire outside unit.Â* All for $200! Now you've confused me.Â* Both build in same factory sounds like you think they're the same and not worth more, but the last line makes it sound like you think Amana is worth the extra 200. BTW, I think Goodman was bought by Dalton and now is called Dalton??? Built in the same factory does not mean they are identical, though for the most part they probably are.Â* I've seen HVAC units built with the only change being the sticker with brand name, but I've also seen them with minor changes in features. That's the "Daikan" Group that is the parent, not Dalton. Goodman bought Amana in 1997, then sold the appliance business unit to Maytag in 2001 keeping the Amana HVAC brand. -- |
Heat pumps much better now?
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 10:04:40 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 07:36:49 -0400, Todesco wrote: On 4/21/2020 12:07 AM, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:40:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/20/2020 5:14 PM, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. My sister had one in her house in NJ. Worked OK but she moved from it 10 years ago so I have no details. Mine here in FL works great but the lowest temperature I've seen in two winters is 38 degrees. I have a well insulated house and mild winter climate. Winter electric bill was only $40. I have no supplemental heat and don't need it here. I'd look at other options if you have to replace your present system but it may be a good option. You mentionel oil heating in another thread. Yes. There is no gas here. I was going to postpone a new furnace, but I shouldn't buy AC without considering a heatpump at the same time. If you have to replace an old oil burner check out www.energykinetics.com They have some good systems and cut my oil use in CT by 40%. It paid for itself in oil savings. It looks good but constantly talks about unlimited showers and boilers. That's for hot water heat, right? Not forced air. 11 years ago I build this house and had the builder install the best, at the time, HP. The HVAC talked me into spending about $200 more for an Amana unit, instead of a Goodman. Both are built in the same factory. The Amana has a lifetime replacement warranty on the entire outside unit. All for $200! Now you've confused me. Both build in same factory sounds like you think they're the same and not worth more, but the last line makes it sound like you think Amana is worth the extra 200. He made it clear. For $200 he got a lifetime warranty. What exactly that covers IDK, but assuming it's something reasonable, it would be worth $200. BTW, I think Goodman was bought by Dalton and now is called Dalton??? |
Heat pumps much better now?
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:20:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/21/2020 10:04 AM, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 07:36:49 -0400, Todesco wrote: On 4/21/2020 12:07 AM, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:40:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/20/2020 5:14 PM, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. My sister had one in her house in NJ. Worked OK but she moved from it 10 years ago so I have no details. Mine here in FL works great but the lowest temperature I've seen in two winters is 38 degrees. I have a well insulated house and mild winter climate. Winter electric bill was only $40. I have no supplemental heat and don't need it here. I'd look at other options if you have to replace your present system but it may be a good option. You mentionel oil heating in another thread. Yes. There is no gas here. I was going to postpone a new furnace, but I shouldn't buy AC without considering a heatpump at the same time. If you have to replace an old oil burner check out www.energykinetics.com They have some good systems and cut my oil use in CT by 40%. It paid for itself in oil savings. It looks good but constantly talks about unlimited showers and boilers. That's for hot water heat, right? Not forced air. 11 years ago I build this house and had the builder install the best, at the time, HP. The HVAC talked me into spending about $200 more for an Amana unit, instead of a Goodman. Both are built in the same factory. The Amana has a lifetime replacement warranty on the entire outside unit. All for $200! Now you've confused me. Both build in same factory sounds like you think they're the same and not worth more, but the last line makes it sound like you think Amana is worth the extra 200. BTW, I think Goodman was bought by Dalton and now is called Dalton??? Built in the same factory does not mean they are identical, though for the most part they probably are. I've seen HVAC units built with the only change being the sticker with brand name, but I've also seen them with minor changes in features. And sometimes the minor feature, or lack thereof, is what makes or breaks the unit. Othertimes the sheet metal is all the 2 brands share - - - - Different burners, different heat exchangers, different fans, different controllers - or any combination of the above. On others everything is the same EXCEPT the sheet metal. |
Heat pumps much better now?
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:14:07 -0400, micky
wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. I should have thought of this sooner. Instead or replacing the oil heat/AC with new AC and, later, oil heat, how about adding a heat pump and using the current oil furnace for the supplemental heat? Won't the combination of elecricity and oil be cheaper than all the oil I'm using now? Any downside? HIgher cost for heat pump but won't' it still be worth it. |
Heat pumps much better now?
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:36:54 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:14:07 -0400, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. I should have thought of this sooner. Instead or replacing the oil heat/AC with new AC and, later, oil heat, how about adding a heat pump and using the current oil furnace for the supplemental heat? Won't the combination of elecricity and oil be cheaper than all the oil I'm using now? Any downside? HIgher cost for heat pump but won't' it still be worth it. I would guess that you'd have a hard time finding someone to piggyback a new heat pump on to an old oil furnace not meant to be used with it for several reasons. |
Heat pumps much better now?
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:21:00 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:36:54 PM UTC-4, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:14:07 -0400, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. I should have thought of this sooner. Instead or replacing the oil heat/AC with new AC and, later, oil heat, how about adding a heat pump and using the current oil furnace for the supplemental heat? Won't the combination of elecricity and oil be cheaper than all the oil I'm using now? Any downside? HIgher cost for heat pump but won't' it still be worth it. I would guess that you'd have a hard time finding someone to piggyback a new heat pump on to an old oil furnace not meant to be used with it for several reasons. The guys who were here today, from an AC company with 50 years experience, suggested it. |
Heat pumps much better now?
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 21:59:06 -0400, micky
wrote: I would guess that you'd have a hard time finding someone to piggyback a new heat pump on to an old oil furnace not meant to be used with it for several reasons. The guys who were here today, from an AC company with 50 years experience, suggested it. I remember that one of them had 35 years experience. |
Heat pumps much better now?
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 21:59:06 -0400, micky
wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:21:00 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:36:54 PM UTC-4, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:14:07 -0400, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. I should have thought of this sooner. Instead or replacing the oil heat/AC with new AC and, later, oil heat, how about adding a heat pump and using the current oil furnace for the supplemental heat? Won't the combination of elecricity and oil be cheaper than all the oil I'm using now? Any downside? HIgher cost for heat pump but won't' it still be worth it. I would guess that you'd have a hard time finding someone to piggyback a new heat pump on to an old oil furnace not meant to be used with it for several reasons. The guys who were here today, from an AC company with 50 years experience, suggested it. Actually not uncommon |
Heat pumps much better now?
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 12:12:19 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 21:59:06 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:21:00 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:36:54 PM UTC-4, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:14:07 -0400, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. I should have thought of this sooner. Instead or replacing the oil heat/AC with new AC and, later, oil heat, how about adding a heat pump and using the current oil furnace for the supplemental heat? Won't the combination of elecricity and oil be cheaper than all the oil I'm using now? Any downside? HIgher cost for heat pump but won't' it still be worth it. I would guess that you'd have a hard time finding someone to piggyback a new heat pump on to an old oil furnace not meant to be used with it for several reasons. The guys who were here today, from an AC company with 50 years experience, suggested it. Actually not uncommon And what do they do when the old oil furnace blower pushes air at it's fixed higher speed rate, suited to a 120K BTU furnace and you have air coming out that feels cold? How about when the furnace goes kaput in 5 years and then you have the additional cost of screwing with removing the heat pump coils, re-installing, doing that work over? What's the benefit of a new furnace that will be higher efficiency and not cost that much more for the eqpt, done at the same time? As to these guys having 50 years experience, I'm not so impressed. Micky already said he had someone out that gave an estimate on adding a heat pump system and they didn't even look at the panel. He said he has a 60A panel. Nuff said on that one. |
Heat pumps much better now?
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:30:28 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 12:12:19 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 21:59:06 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:21:00 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:36:54 PM UTC-4, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:14:07 -0400, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. I should have thought of this sooner. Instead or replacing the oil heat/AC with new AC and, later, oil heat, how about adding a heat pump and using the current oil furnace for the supplemental heat? Won't the combination of elecricity and oil be cheaper than all the oil I'm using now? Any downside? HIgher cost for heat pump but won't' it still be worth it. I would guess that you'd have a hard time finding someone to piggyback a new heat pump on to an old oil furnace not meant to be used with it for several reasons. The guys who were here today, from an AC company with 50 years experience, suggested it. Actually not uncommon And what do they do when the old oil furnace blower pushes air at it's fixed higher speed rate, suited to a 120K BTU furnace and you have air coming out that feels cold? Only if I feel the air coming out at all, and I only do that when I'm barefoot in the bathroom. How much time do you think I spend barefoot in the bathroom? 20 or 30 minutes a week. How about when the furnace goes kaput in 5 years and then you have the additional cost of screwing with removing the heat pump coils, re-installing, doing that work over? Of course there will be that additional cost, some time in the future. I knew that before I talked to anyone. What's the benefit of a new furnace that will be higher efficiency and not cost that much more for the eqpt, done at the same time? As to these guys having 50 years experience, I'm not so impressed. And two other estimators from other companies reacted the same way. Micky already said he had someone out that gave an estimate on adding a heat pump system and they didn't even look at the panel. He said he has a 60A panel. Nuff said on that one. More than enough. You're making a mountain out of little pile of dust. I didn't like the guy who wanted to reline my chimney. He said oil burned hotter. Maybe but it's been burning hotter all these years too, and it's not a masonry chimney. So for that and several other things about him, I called anotehr company. So counting the quack there have been 4 proposals and no one objected to using the oil furnace, even though they know all about the airspeed, and the only one to comment on the fusebox was the quack. But in your honor I'll explicitly ask one or two of them. They were all throrough and I'm sure they'll say it's fine. |
Heat pumps much better now?
On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 7:56:04 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:30:28 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 12:12:19 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 21:59:06 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:21:00 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:36:54 PM UTC-4, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:14:07 -0400, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. I should have thought of this sooner. Instead or replacing the oil heat/AC with new AC and, later, oil heat, how about adding a heat pump and using the current oil furnace for the supplemental heat? Won't the combination of elecricity and oil be cheaper than all the oil I'm using now? Any downside? HIgher cost for heat pump but won't' it still be worth it. I would guess that you'd have a hard time finding someone to piggyback a new heat pump on to an old oil furnace not meant to be used with it for several reasons. The guys who were here today, from an AC company with 50 years experience, suggested it. Actually not uncommon And what do they do when the old oil furnace blower pushes air at it's fixed higher speed rate, suited to a 120K BTU furnace and you have air coming out that feels cold? Only if I feel the air coming out at all, and I only do that when I'm barefoot in the bathroom. How much time do you think I spend barefoot in the bathroom? 20 or 30 minutes a week. Carry on then, I bow to your knowledge. How about when the furnace goes kaput in 5 years and then you have the additional cost of screwing with removing the heat pump coils, re-installing, doing that work over? Of course there will be that additional cost, some time in the future. I knew that before I talked to anyone. What's the benefit of a new furnace that will be higher efficiency and not cost that much more for the eqpt, done at the same time? As to these guys having 50 years experience, I'm not so impressed. And two other estimators from other companies reacted the same way. Micky already said he had someone out that gave an estimate on adding a heat pump system and they didn't even look at the panel. He said he has a 60A panel. Nuff said on that one. More than enough. You're making a mountain out of little pile of dust. It's a little pile of dust when you have someone come over to scope out a new heating system, giving you an estimate and they are recommending adding a heat pump, and they don't even look to see you have only a 60A panel? Very well, carry on. I didn't like the guy who wanted to reline my chimney. He said oil burned hotter. Maybe but it's been burning hotter all these years too, and it's not a masonry chimney. So for that and several other things about him, I called anotehr company. So counting the quack there have been 4 proposals and no one objected to using the oil furnace, even though they know all about the airspeed, and the only one to comment on the fusebox was the quack. That's a good one Micky! You want to add a heat pump, have only a 60A panel, and you think the only guy who checked what size service you have is the quack? But in your honor I'll explicitly ask one or two of them. They were all throrough and I'm sure they'll say it's fine. Carry on then. Have you even figured out the economics of oil vs heat pump in your area? |
Heat pumps much better now?
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 19:55:58 -0400, micky
wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 22 Apr 2020 06:30:28 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 12:12:19 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 21:59:06 -0400, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:21:00 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, April 21, 2020 at 4:36:54 PM UTC-4, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:14:07 -0400, micky wrote: Have heat pumps improved much in the last 30 years, wrt to heating a home in Baltimore? I was under the impresssion that the limiting factor is often the outside temperature, and if it's not over 45 or 40 or 35 or 30 (I forget which), that it's hard to extract enough heat to keep a place warm. And that since it's colder than that a lot here, the supplemental electric heat will go on and that's much more expensive. The salesman today, called by them a saleman, tells me that things have improved a lot in 30 years and it can heat the house. But I don't see how you can change the laws of physics. I should have thought of this sooner. Instead or replacing the oil heat/AC with new AC and, later, oil heat, how about adding a heat pump and using the current oil furnace for the supplemental heat? Won't the combination of elecricity and oil be cheaper than all the oil I'm using now? Any downside? HIgher cost for heat pump but won't' it still be worth it. I would guess that you'd have a hard time finding someone to piggyback a new heat pump on to an old oil furnace not meant to be used with it for several reasons. The guys who were here today, from an AC company with 50 years experience, suggested it. Actually not uncommon And what do they do when the old oil furnace blower pushes air at it's fixed higher speed rate, suited to a 120K BTU furnace and you have air coming out that feels cold? Only if I feel the air coming out at all, and I only do that when I'm barefoot in the bathroom. How much time do you think I spend barefoot in the bathroom? 20 or 30 minutes a week. How about when the furnace goes kaput in 5 years and then you have the additional cost of screwing with removing the heat pump coils, re-installing, doing that work over? Of course there will be that additional cost, some time in the future. I knew that before I talked to anyone. What's the benefit of a new furnace that will be higher efficiency and not cost that much more for the eqpt, done at the same time? As to these guys having 50 years experience, I'm not so impressed. And two other estimators from other companies reacted the same way. Micky already said he had someone out that gave an estimate on adding a heat pump system and they didn't even look at the panel. He said he has a 60A panel. Nuff said on that one. More than enough. You're making a mountain out of little pile of dust. I didn't like the guy who wanted to reline my chimney. He said oil burned hotter. Maybe but it's been burning hotter all these years too, and it's not a masonry chimney. So for that and several other things about him, I called anotehr company. So counting the quack there have been 4 proposals and no one objected to using the oil furnace, even though they know all about the airspeed, and the only one to comment on the fusebox was the quack. But in your honor I'll explicitly ask one or two of them. They were all throrough and I'm sure they'll say it's fine. If you use oil for backup 60 is likely adequate - barely - but you wouldn't get to install it thet way here (and you'd have a hell of a time selling the house and getting new insurance with a 60amp service) |
Heat pumps much better now?
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 24 Apr 2020 17:09:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: I didn't like the guy who wanted to reline my chimney. He said oil burned hotter. Maybe but it's been burning hotter all these years too, and it's not a masonry chimney. So for that and several other things about him, I called anotehr company. So counting the quack there have been 4 proposals and no one objected to using the oil furnace, even though they know all about the airspeed, and the only one to comment on the fusebox was the quack. That's a good one Micky! You want to add a heat pump, have only a 60A panel, and you think the only guy who checked what size service you have is the quack? A) He said I'd probably need a new one, but he didn't check what I had. B) hew was a quack for several other reasons as I had clearly written, about 2 of them. You a) just like to argue, b) like to argue with someone who gets the better of you in political discussions. |
Heat pumps much better now?
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 3:34:17 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 24 Apr 2020 17:09:57 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: I didn't like the guy who wanted to reline my chimney. He said oil burned hotter. Maybe but it's been burning hotter all these years too, and it's not a masonry chimney. So for that and several other things about him, I called anotehr company. So counting the quack there have been 4 proposals and no one objected to using the oil furnace, even though they know all about the airspeed, and the only one to comment on the fusebox was the quack. That's a good one Micky! You want to add a heat pump, have only a 60A panel, and you think the only guy who checked what size service you have is the quack? A) He said I'd probably need a new one, but he didn't check what I had. Suggesting you probably need a new service/panel without even checking what it is, finding out it's 60A, makes him dumber than the rest. And he's the only one that had anything to say about the service. Go figure. B) hew was a quack for several other reasons as I had clearly written, about 2 of them. You a) just like to argue, b) like to argue with someone who gets the better of you in political discussions. Not arguing, just observing that while you say some of these HVAC guys had 50 years experience, according to you not one of them bothered to check what kind of service you have to support a heat pump and the service is just 60A. So, like I said, just carry on, you're dealing with morons. |
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