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Nech2 February 2nd 20 05:44 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and out of the
closet or should it be some how sealed could I use adhesive carpet squares or
tiles

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trader_4 February 2nd 20 05:52 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 12:44:05 PM UTC-5, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and out of the
closet or should it be some how sealed could I use adhesive carpet squares or
tiles

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for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...t-1207807-.htm


I would put something new and permanent over it, whether that is sheet
vinyl, vinyl tiles, composite wood, carpet tiles, etc is up to you.
The asbestos is only a problem if it's disturbed and gets into the air.



[email protected] February 2nd 20 09:01 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 09:52:48 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 12:44:05 PM UTC-5, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and out of the
closet or should it be some how sealed could I use adhesive carpet squares or
tiles

--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...t-1207807-.htm


I would put something new and permanent over it, whether that is sheet
vinyl, vinyl tiles, composite wood, carpet tiles, etc is up to you.
The asbestos is only a problem if it's disturbed and gets into the air.


+ 1
... to my knowledge - the old floor tiles were not _ made from _
asbestos - but they had asbestos in the backing material.
ie: ripping them up created the hazard ..
That said - if you are renting or selling the house -
with knowledge of hazardous materials / conditions ..
I'd be keeping things on the QT ..
John T.


Clare Snyder February 2nd 20 09:06 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 17:44:02 +0000, Nech2
m wrote:

I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and out of the
closet or should it be some how sealed could I use adhesive carpet squares or
tiles

Seal them with paint.
Or soak them with water and scrape them out and throw them in the
garbage. Wear a mask to be safe, but wet asbestos does notget airborn.

Hawk February 3rd 20 12:39 AM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors few
broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put that
over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and out
of the
closet or should it be some how sealedÂ* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles


How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails? Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and have
to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could start to
loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any potential
problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a professional.
Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself using protective
gear, of course.

Frank[_24_] February 3rd 20 01:21 AM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On 2/2/2020 7:39 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors
few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put
that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and out
of the
closet or should it be some how sealedÂ* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles


How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails? Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and have
to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could start to
loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any potential
problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a professional.
Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself using protective
gear, of course.


The asbestos is bound up by the composite resin. It is not going to
jump up at you. I'd just glue over it or if I wanted to remove it just
use a dust mask and bag the tiles in a plastic bag for regular trash
disposal.

Hawk February 3rd 20 04:53 AM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On 2/2/2020 8:21 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/2/2020 7:39 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors
few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put
that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and
out of the
closet or should it be some how sealedÂ* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles


How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails? Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and
have to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could
start to loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any
potential problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a
professional. Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself
using protective gear, of course.


The asbestos is bound up by the composite resin.


Which could also be asbestos material.

It is not going to
jump up at you.


It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.

I'd just glue over it or if I wanted to remove it just
use a dust mask and bag the tiles in a plastic bag for regular trash
disposal.


Have you had any asbestos removal training? With that advice, I'm
guessing no. It's not advisable to use a dust mask with asbestos removal
even when wetting. You can do so yourself but to advise another is wrong.


Cindy Hamilton[_2_] February 3rd 20 11:26 AM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-5, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 8:21 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/2/2020 7:39 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors
few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put
that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and
out of the
closet or should it be some how sealedÂ* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles

How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails? Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and
have to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could
start to loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any
potential problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a
professional. Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself
using protective gear, of course.


The asbestos is bound up by the composite resin.


Which could also be asbestos material.

It is not going to
jump up at you.


It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.


It only requires a single particle to do what, exactly?

Cindy Hamilton

Hawk February 3rd 20 12:44 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On 2/3/2020 6:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-5, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 8:21 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/2/2020 7:39 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors
few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put
that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and
out of the
closet or should it be some how sealedÂ* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles

How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails? Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and
have to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could
start to loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any
potential problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a
professional. Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself
using protective gear, of course.

The asbestos is bound up by the composite resin.


Which could also be asbestos material.

It is not going to
jump up at you.


It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.


It only requires a single particle to do what, exactly?

Cindy Hamilton

To inhale and develop mesothelioma.



trader_4 February 3rd 20 01:34 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-5, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 8:21 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/2/2020 7:39 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors
few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put
that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and
out of the
closet or should it be some how sealedÂ* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles

How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails? Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and
have to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could
start to loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any
potential problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a
professional. Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself
using protective gear, of course.


The asbestos is bound up by the composite resin.


Which could also be asbestos material.

It is not going to
jump up at you.


It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.


If it only requires a single particle of asbestos to make someone sick
or kill them, we'd have a far worse epidemic. AFAIK, the actual cases
have all been people who had a lot of exposure, eg working in ship yards,
brakes, etc, where it was flying all over the place.





I'd just glue over it or if I wanted to remove it just
use a dust mask and bag the tiles in a plastic bag for regular trash
disposal.


Have you had any asbestos removal training? With that advice, I'm
guessing no. It's not advisable to use a dust mask with asbestos removal
even when wetting. You can do so yourself but to advise another is wrong.


Which is why I recommended just leaving it and covering it with another
flooring material.


trader_4 February 3rd 20 01:37 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 7:42:44 AM UTC-5, Hawk wrote:
On 2/3/2020 6:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-5, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 8:21 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/2/2020 7:39 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors
few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put
that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and
out of the
closet or should it be some how sealedÂ* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles

How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails? Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and
have to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could
start to loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any
potential problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a
professional. Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself
using protective gear, of course.

The asbestos is bound up by the composite resin.

Which could also be asbestos material.

It is not going to
jump up at you.

It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.


It only requires a single particle to do what, exactly?

Cindy Hamilton

To inhale and develop mesothelioma.


Technically, that might be true. However what is the PROBABILITY of that
happening? So small, it's negligible. If it was any reasonable probability
we'd have an epidemic of people sick, with no history of exposure. Like
how many particles do you think people breathed in from brake dust released
by the car ahead of you, floating in the air in cities, etc? Yet the
actual cases are people who had some history of working with it or near it.

Cindy Hamilton[_2_] February 3rd 20 01:44 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 8:34:38 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-5, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 8:21 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/2/2020 7:39 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors
few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put
that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and
out of the
closet or should it be some how sealedÂ* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles

How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails? Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and
have to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could
start to loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any
potential problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a
professional. Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself
using protective gear, of course.

The asbestos is bound up by the composite resin.


Which could also be asbestos material.

It is not going to
jump up at you.


It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.


If it only requires a single particle of asbestos to make someone sick
or kill them, we'd have a far worse epidemic. AFAIK, the actual cases
have all been people who had a lot of exposure, eg working in ship yards,
brakes, etc, where it was flying all over the place.


I'm pretty sure I've inhaled more than one particle of asbestos in my
life.

Cindy Hamilton

Terry Coombs[_2_] February 3rd 20 01:57 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On 2/3/2020 7:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 8:34:38 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-5, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 8:21 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/2/2020 7:39 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors
few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put
that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and
out of the
closet or should it be some how sealedÂ* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles
How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails? Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and
have to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could
start to loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any
potential problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a
professional. Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself
using protective gear, of course.
The asbestos is bound up by the composite resin.
Which could also be asbestos material.

It is not going to
jump up at you.
It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.

If it only requires a single particle of asbestos to make someone sick
or kill them, we'd have a far worse epidemic. AFAIK, the actual cases
have all been people who had a lot of exposure, eg working in ship yards,
brakes, etc, where it was flying all over the place.

I'm pretty sure I've inhaled more than one particle of asbestos in my
life.

Cindy Hamilton


Â* I worked as a flooring installer when asbestos was a common component
in vinyl sheet goods . I'm certain that I have inhaled it while tearing
out existing flooring for replacement . Apparently no lung damage though
, from the x-rays and CT scans that were done a couple of years ago by
the VA .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !


Frank[_24_] February 3rd 20 02:22 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On 2/3/2020 7:44 AM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/3/2020 6:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-5, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 8:21 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/2/2020 7:39 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors
few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put
that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and
out of the
closet or should it be some how sealedÂ* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles

How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails? Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and
have to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could
start to loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any
potential problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a
professional. Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself
using protective gear, of course.

The asbestos is bound up by the composite resin.

Which could also be asbestos material.

Â*Â* It is not going to
jump up at you.

It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.


It only requires a single particle to do what, exactly?

Cindy Hamilton

To inhale and develop mesothelioma.



If that were true, we all would be dead or be living with mesothelioma.

The problem with asbestos is that particles lodge in the lungs and are
not expelled plus it is inert and does not disintegrate. Irritation of
the lungs is worse for smokers and causes mesothelioma.

I am not a toxicologist but have plenty of experience in the area. One
of my assignments was as department coordinator with the company's
toxicology laboratory which was quite large.

Peter[_36_] February 3rd 20 02:57 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On 2/3/2020 8:57 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 2/3/2020 7:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 8:34:38 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-5, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 8:21 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/2/2020 7:39 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors
few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put
that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and
out of the
closet or should it be some how sealed* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles
How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails?
Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and
have to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could
start to loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any
potential problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a
professional. Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself
using protective gear, of course.
The asbestos is bound up by the composite resin.
Which could also be asbestos material.

** It is not going to
jump up at you.
It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.
If it only requires a single particle of asbestos to make someone sick
or kill them, we'd have a far worse epidemic.* AFAIK, the actual cases
have all been people who had a lot of exposure, eg working in ship
yards,
brakes, etc, where it was flying all over the place.

I'm pretty sure I've inhaled more than one particle of asbestos in my
life.

Cindy Hamilton


* I worked as a flooring installer when asbestos was a common component
in vinyl sheet goods . I'm certain that I have inhaled it while tearing
out existing flooring for replacement . Apparently no lung damage though
, from the x-rays and CT scans that were done a couple of years ago by
the VA .

According to the web site, www.asbestos.com the average latency period
between asbestos exposure and the development of mesthelioma is 40
years. It can be as little as 10-15 years after heavy exposure.

In the military, you would be categorized as occupationally exposed and
monitored indefinitely. Best of luck and hope you remain healthy.

Ralph Mowery February 3rd 20 03:24 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
In article ,
says...
It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.

It only requires a single particle to do what, exactly?

Cindy Hamilton

To inhale and develop mesothelioma.


Technically, that might be true. However what is the PROBABILITY of that
happening? So small, it's negligible. If it was any reasonable probability
we'd have an epidemic of people sick, with no history of exposure. Like
how many particles do you think people breathed in from brake dust released
by the car ahead of you, floating in the air in cities, etc? Yet the
actual cases are people who had some history of working with it or near it.



Right. Sounds like the ambulance chaser lawyers. As long as cars have
been using brakes and factories and homes using asbestos everyone in
this country should be dead. Especially if you add up all the other bad
chemicals. Dead from Roundup, dead from sacrian. Dead from talcum
powder.

Ed Pawlowski[_3_] February 3rd 20 03:53 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On 2/3/2020 10:24 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.

It only requires a single particle to do what, exactly?

Cindy Hamilton

To inhale and develop mesothelioma.


Technically, that might be true. However what is the PROBABILITY of that
happening? So small, it's negligible. If it was any reasonable probability
we'd have an epidemic of people sick, with no history of exposure. Like
how many particles do you think people breathed in from brake dust released
by the car ahead of you, floating in the air in cities, etc? Yet the
actual cases are people who had some history of working with it or near it.



Right. Sounds like the ambulance chaser lawyers. As long as cars have
been using brakes and factories and homes using asbestos everyone in
this country should be dead. Especially if you add up all the other bad
chemicals. Dead from Roundup, dead from sacrian. Dead from talcum
powder.

At work I had a plumber come in for a problem my guys could not easily
handle. He was standing on a ladder, cigarette hanging out of his
mouth, while removing asbestos pipe insulation.

Hawk February 3rd 20 03:57 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On 2/3/2020 9:22 AM, Frank wrote:
On 2/3/2020 7:44 AM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/3/2020 6:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-5, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 8:21 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/2/2020 7:39 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors
few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put
that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and
out of the
closet or should it be some how sealedÂ* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles

How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails?
Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and
have to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could
start to loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any
potential problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a
professional. Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself
using protective gear, of course.

The asbestos is bound up by the composite resin.

Which could also be asbestos material.

Â*Â* It is not going to
jump up at you.

It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.

It only requires a single particle to do what, exactly?

Cindy Hamilton

To inhale and develop mesothelioma.



If that were true, we all would be dead or be living with mesothelioma.

The problem with asbestos is that particles lodge in the lungs and are
not expelled plus it is inert and does not disintegrate.Â* Irritation of
the lungs is worse for smokers and causes mesothelioma.

I am not a toxicologist but have plenty of experience in the area.Â* One
of my assignments was as department coordinator with the company's
toxicology laboratory which was quite large.


As in cigarette smoking, some can smoke til they reach 100 and never
develop cancer but that's not for all. Genetics play a key role but
unless one has genetic testing, they are unsure of what can develop or
not. Asbestos is a cancer causing substance. Will it effect everyone
exposed to it? Probably not but why risk it, and to advise someone, when
you know noting of their genetic history, to just wear a mask, is still
wrong.

Hawk February 3rd 20 03:57 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On 2/3/2020 10:24 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.

It only requires a single particle to do what, exactly?

Cindy Hamilton

To inhale and develop mesothelioma.


Technically, that might be true. However what is the PROBABILITY of that
happening? So small, it's negligible. If it was any reasonable probability
we'd have an epidemic of people sick, with no history of exposure. Like
how many particles do you think people breathed in from brake dust released
by the car ahead of you, floating in the air in cities, etc? Yet the
actual cases are people who had some history of working with it or near it.



Right. Sounds like the ambulance chaser lawyers. As long as cars have
been using brakes and factories and homes using asbestos everyone in
this country should be dead. Especially if you add up all the other bad
chemicals. Dead from Roundup, dead from sacrian. Dead from talcum
powder.


Read my reply to Frank. Genetics play a role.

Hawk February 3rd 20 04:09 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On 2/3/2020 8:44 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 8:34:38 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-5, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 8:21 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/2/2020 7:39 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors
few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put
that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and
out of the
closet or should it be some how sealedÂ* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles

How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails? Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and
have to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could
start to loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any
potential problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a
professional. Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself
using protective gear, of course.

The asbestos is bound up by the composite resin.

Which could also be asbestos material.

It is not going to
jump up at you.

It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.


If it only requires a single particle of asbestos to make someone sick
or kill them, we'd have a far worse epidemic. AFAIK, the actual cases
have all been people who had a lot of exposure, eg working in ship yards,
brakes, etc, where it was flying all over the place.


I'm pretty sure I've inhaled more than one particle of asbestos in my
life.

Cindy Hamilton


Chances are many of us have. I'm sure I have also but read Peter's reply
about latency period. The worse case is of course cancer. In many, it
can cause minor irritation and often leads to inflammation, scarring and
damage to body cells along with shortness of breath.

For the sake of your loved ones, I hope nothing develops in you as I
hope nothing in me from past exposures. Bottom line, to shrug it off as
no big deal is simply risky. If one wants to push that risk upon
themself, go for it but I would never advise a person to do so nor tell
them it's acceptable to do something without them knowing the risk.

trader_4 February 3rd 20 05:46 PM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 10:24:27 AM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.

It only requires a single particle to do what, exactly?

Cindy Hamilton

To inhale and develop mesothelioma.


Technically, that might be true. However what is the PROBABILITY of that
happening? So small, it's negligible. If it was any reasonable probability
we'd have an epidemic of people sick, with no history of exposure. Like
how many particles do you think people breathed in from brake dust released
by the car ahead of you, floating in the air in cities, etc? Yet the
actual cases are people who had some history of working with it or near it.



Right. Sounds like the ambulance chaser lawyers. As long as cars have
been using brakes and factories and homes using asbestos everyone in
this country should be dead. Especially if you add up all the other bad
chemicals. Dead from Roundup, dead from sacrian. Dead from talcum
powder.


Good to see we agree on something. :)


Clare Snyder February 4th 20 01:58 AM

Asbestos tiles in closet
 
On Mon, 3 Feb 2020 03:26:26 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Sunday, February 2, 2020 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-5, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 8:21 PM, Frank wrote:
On 2/2/2020 7:39 PM, Hawk wrote:
On 2/2/2020 12:44 PM, Nech2 wrote:
I have what I believe is 9x9 asbestos tiles on all my closet floors
few broken
or cracked. I have some leftover laminate flooring food I just put
that over
the tiles as to not do more damage to them by taking things in and
out of the
closet or should it be some how sealed* could I use adhesive carpet
squares or
tiles

How do you plan to lay the new floor over them? Adhesive? Nails? Using
nails will break the asbestos tiles and cause airborne particles. Not
something I'd do. Adhesive will be on top of the asbestos tiles and
have to rely on the integrity of those tiles which in time, could
start to loosen. I'd choose to remove the tiles and be done with any
potential problems. If it's a large area, you could hire a
professional. Otherwise, I'd wet the entire area and remove it myself
using protective gear, of course.

The asbestos is bound up by the composite resin.


Which could also be asbestos material.

It is not going to
jump up at you.


It can if disturbed and it only requires a single particle.


It only requires a single particle to do what, exactly?

Cindy Hamilton

The hysterical among us would have you believe a single microscopic
particle of asbestos will cause mesothelioma or other cancers that
will kill you dead. If that was the case I'd have been dead a long
time ago. I have taken pretty serious precautions to limit my exposure
to asbestos dust but as a mechanic working on brakes and clutches from
the late sixties on I KNOW I've been exposed - and we used a mixture
of asbestos cement and plaster of paris as an ART material!!!!!


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