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Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases
once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! -- Bod |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On 25/11/2019 21:50, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. There is truth in what you say, but it doesn't mean that we can try to do something about it. Doing nothing is not very sensible. -- Bod |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On 25/11/2019 23:42, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 4:56:27 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 12:24:21 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 2:04:58 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! Are you saying too much hot air comming out of Washington ? Seems like England is putting out lots too about the Brentexit or whatever it is called. It could be all the protesters over the world burning up the cities. No, he's saying that CO2 is now higher than it has been in 800,000 years, that it's increased by a third in just the last 100 years, that it's caused by man burning fossil fuels, that previous rises of that magnitude took hundreds of thousands of years. No amount of Trump, Republican lying and denying can change that. The world population is over 3 times what it was in 1920 too. You can't deny that either. Most of those people are not going stop burning the forest and plains to grow more food. Irrelevant, of course. There is no question that man burning fossil fuels is the overwhelming emitter. We could have the same population and be using solar and wind energy and there would not have been the rise. +1 -- Bod |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 02:02:20 +0000, Bod wrote:
On 25/11/2019 21:50, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. There is truth in what you say, but it doesn't mean that we can try to do something about it. Doing nothing is not very sensible. Futile gestures are not very sensible either, particularly when our biggest competitors are not doing it. If renewables make sense for you, by all means go for it but I still can't get the numbers to work for me. I think if this is really going to be anything but a hobby for rich guys, the utilities will have to do it. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On 2019-11-25, wrote:
The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. The "evidence" that we are causing any change is quite questionable, the data rife with distortion and outright fraud and fed into faulty computer models. The much ballyhood claim of the alarmists that "97% of scientists agree" is a lie based on faulty polling data. To really understand "global warming/climate change" one needs to follow the flow of money and power, see who reaps the rewards. The fact is that any human contribution to climate change is practically lost in the noise compared to the forces of nature. https://realclimatescience.com/2019/...ate-alarmists/ https://electroverse.net/another-cli...-breaks-ranks/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On 26/11/2019 04:01, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 02:02:20 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 21:50, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. There is truth in what you say, but it doesn't mean that we can try to do something about it. Doing nothing is not very sensible. Futile gestures are not very sensible either, particularly when our biggest competitors are not doing it. If renewables make sense for you, by all means go for it but I still can't get the numbers to work for me. I think if this is really going to be anything but a hobby for rich guys, the utilities will have to do it. You have a point, but surely we can at least try to get them on board? Giving up is defeatist. -- Bod |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 05:03:08 +0000, Bod wrote:
On 26/11/2019 04:01, wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 02:02:20 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 21:50, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. There is truth in what you say, but it doesn't mean that we can try to do something about it. Doing nothing is not very sensible. Futile gestures are not very sensible either, particularly when our biggest competitors are not doing it. If renewables make sense for you, by all means go for it but I still can't get the numbers to work for me. I think if this is really going to be anything but a hobby for rich guys, the utilities will have to do it. You have a point, but surely we can at least try to get them on board? Giving up is defeatist. My utility is dabbling with Solar, using our money. They have millions invested in around 225mw of solar in 3 sites, planning on building more but we are still waiting to see the effect of this "free" power on our bills. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 02:02:20 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 21:50, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. There is truth in what you say, but it doesn't mean that we can try to do something about it. Doing nothing is not very sensible. Futile gestures are not very sensible either, particularly when our biggest competitors are not doing it. If renewables make sense for you, by all means go for it but I still can't get the numbers to work for me. I think if this is really going to be anything but a hobby for rich guys, the utilities will have to do it. It isnt viable even if the utilitys do it. The very fundamental insoluble problem is that the 'renewables' are intermittent so you still need base load power generation for when the 'renewables' arent generating enough power. The only thing that makes any sense is nukes and most are too ****ing stupid to go that route. |
Lonely Auto-contradicting Psychotic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:11:18 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: It isnt viable even if the utilitys Get a brain check, senile idiot! And tell your psychiatrist that you just CAN'T spell the plural of words correctly. You just CAN'T! Something forces you to keep spelling it in your idiotic way, even though you know it's wrong! -- about senile Rot Speed: "This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage." MID: |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On 26/11/2019 05:11, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 05:03:08 +0000, Bod wrote: On 26/11/2019 04:01, wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 02:02:20 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 21:50, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. There is truth in what you say, but it doesn't mean that we can try to do something about it. Doing nothing is not very sensible. Futile gestures are not very sensible either, particularly when our biggest competitors are not doing it. If renewables make sense for you, by all means go for it but I still can't get the numbers to work for me. I think if this is really going to be anything but a hobby for rich guys, the utilities will have to do it. You have a point, but surely we can at least try to get them on board? Giving up is defeatist. My utility is dabbling with Solar, using our money. They have millions invested in around 225mw of solar in 3 sites, planning on building more but we are still waiting to see the effect of this "free" power on our bills. We need far more on board to make a difference. -- Bod |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:11:18 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 02:02:20 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 21:50, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. There is truth in what you say, but it doesn't mean that we can try to do something about it. Doing nothing is not very sensible. Futile gestures are not very sensible either, particularly when our biggest competitors are not doing it. If renewables make sense for you, by all means go for it but I still can't get the numbers to work for me. I think if this is really going to be anything but a hobby for rich guys, the utilities will have to do it. It isnt viable even if the utilitys do it. The very fundamental insoluble problem is that the 'renewables' are intermittent so you still need base load power generation for when the 'renewables' arent generating enough power. Utilities do have the ability to do the load leveling easier if they control both but they still need the fossil plant online to handle a cloud going over. Electricity is a right now thing. The only thing that makes any sense is nukes and most are too ****ing stupid to go that route. I agree nuke is steady and there is no reason it can't be safe. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 8:03:35 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:42:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 4:56:27 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 12:24:21 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 2:04:58 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! Are you saying too much hot air comming out of Washington ? Seems like England is putting out lots too about the Brentexit or whatever it is called. It could be all the protesters over the world burning up the cities. No, he's saying that CO2 is now higher than it has been in 800,000 years, that it's increased by a third in just the last 100 years, that it's caused by man burning fossil fuels, that previous rises of that magnitude took hundreds of thousands of years. No amount of Trump, Republican lying and denying can change that. The world population is over 3 times what it was in 1920 too. You can't deny that either. Most of those people are not going stop burning the forest and plains to grow more food. Irrelevant, of course. There is no question that man burning fossil fuels is the overwhelming emitter. We could have the same population and be using solar and wind energy and there would not have been the rise. The flaw in that theory is CO2 has tracked population growth for 8000 years. There is no flaw, the rise in CO2 is being fueled by man burning fossil fuels. Sure, the more people that are burning oil and coal, the more CO2. So, what's the point? If most of those people switched to heating with solar, driving electric cars powered from solar, wind, nuclear, they would emit far less Co2. You're just like Trump and the trumpets. Just pick and choose, throw anything up. "The word is.....", "That's what they say....." I'll stick with the science that the overwhelming number of scientists who actually have the credentials and expertise agree on. The US had just 5 percent of the world's population, yet we emit 15 percent of the greenhouse gases. It's not from burning forests, just open your eyes and look around. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 12:03:14 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 26/11/2019 04:01, wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 02:02:20 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 21:50, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. There is truth in what you say, but it doesn't mean that we can try to do something about it. Doing nothing is not very sensible. Futile gestures are not very sensible either, particularly when our biggest competitors are not doing it. If renewables make sense for you, by all means go for it but I still can't get the numbers to work for me. I think if this is really going to be anything but a hobby for rich guys, the utilities will have to do it. You have a point, but surely we can at least try to get them on board? Giving up is defeatist. -- Bod That's Fretwell's argument on most things. No need to do anything about the deficits and national debt either, it's all hopeless. CO2, well the population is growing, so let's just throw up our hands and not reduce the CO2 per capita that's being emitted. And you're right, we should be working towards agreements that reduce CO2, instead Trump and his trumptards just deny there is any problem, the science is all wrong, so let's just withdraw from any action and instead lobby for burning more coal. And Fretwell doesn't learn from history either. Has our effort to reduce energy usage, reduce CO2 emissions been all bad? If everyone threw up their hands, said nothing can be done, would we have 30 MPG gas cars today? Hybrids that get 50? Electric vehicles? 95% efficient furnaces? An increasing share of electric coming from solar, to the point that it's economically viable? No, let's just give up. Give up on the deficit, give up on NATO, let's burn coal and **** and moan about Vietnam and any other US failures. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 11:06:47 PM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2019-11-25, wrote: The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. The "evidence" that we are causing any change is quite questionable, Do you dispute that CO2 is now higher than it's been in 700,000 years? That it's increased by a third in just the last 100 years? That previous increases of that magnitude took tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years? That it's being driven overwhelmingly by the burning of fossil fuels? That change is indisputable. the data rife with distortion and outright fraud and fed into faulty computer models. The much ballyhood claim of the alarmists that "97% of scientists agree" is a lie based on faulty polling data. To really understand "global warming/climate change" one needs to follow the flow of money and power, see who reaps the rewards. The fact is that any human contribution to climate change is practically lost in the noise compared to the forces of nature. The above CO2 data says that's a lie, man has directly and significantly impacted CO2 levels. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
Roger Blake writes:
On 2019-11-25, wrote: The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. The "evidence" that we are causing any change is quite questionable, That's frankly horse****. What are your professional qualifications to make such an assessment? |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
trader_4 writes:
On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 8:03:35 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:42:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: No, he's saying that CO2 is now higher than it has been in 800,000 years, that it's increased by a third in just the last 100 years, that it's caused by man burning fossil fuels, that previous rises of that magnitude took hundreds of thousands of years. No amount of Trump, Republican lying and denying can change that. The world population is over 3 times what it was in 1920 too. You can't deny that either. Most of those people are not going stop burning the forest and plains to grow more food. Irrelevant, of course. There is no question that man burning fossil fuels is the overwhelming emitter. We could have the same population and be using solar and wind energy and there would not have been the rise. The flaw in that theory is CO2 has tracked population growth for 8000 years. There is no flaw, the rise in CO2 is being fueled by man burning fossil fuels. Which man has only been burning in any significant amount for about 150 years. Not 8000 years (burning wood is carbon neutral for all intents and purposes as it is not releasing carbon that has been sequestered for hundreds of millions of years). And that leaves out all the other undesirable side effects of burning fossil fuels from air pollution to the environmental damage done by drilling and transporting fossil fuels. Solar, Nuclear, Hydro, Wind and energy efficiency can all be used to reduce and eventually eliminate fossil fuels over time given investment. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 8:14:29 PM UTC-5, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 11/25/2019 2:44 PM, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ Fake science concocted by a bunch of lefty libtards. -- Get off my lawn! Thanks for representing for the trumptards. Vilify scientists who do their job, without even knowing what party they belong to. It's just like Trump. Anyone who dares speak the truth, like the career govt employees who get caught up in Trump's scandals, is immediately a lefty libtard. They even tried to vilify Lt Col Vindman, using those tactics. NEver mind that he was just testifying to what he heard and it was 100% consistent with what was on the pseudo transcript, that even Trump released and that some of what he said was favorable to Trump. No, they are all just no good lefties. The only good people are the ones that will lie for Dear Leader. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 10:22:49 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
trader_4 writes: On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 8:03:35 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:42:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: No, he's saying that CO2 is now higher than it has been in 800,000 years, that it's increased by a third in just the last 100 years, that it's caused by man burning fossil fuels, that previous rises of that magnitude took hundreds of thousands of years. No amount of Trump, Republican lying and denying can change that. The world population is over 3 times what it was in 1920 too. You can't deny that either. Most of those people are not going stop burning the forest and plains to grow more food. Irrelevant, of course. There is no question that man burning fossil fuels is the overwhelming emitter. We could have the same population and be using solar and wind energy and there would not have been the rise. The flaw in that theory is CO2 has tracked population growth for 8000 years. There is no flaw, the rise in CO2 is being fueled by man burning fossil fuels. Which man has only been burning in any significant amount for about 150 years. Not 8000 years (burning wood is carbon neutral for all intents and purposes as it is not releasing carbon that has been sequestered for hundreds of millions of years). Also factor in that for 95%+ of that period, whatever burning was going on was to heat a small cave, a hovel, or a couple of ten by ten rooms. People were not living in homes that were thousands of square feet, with AC, were not driving around in cars, and were not consuming all the vast products, eg disposable ones, that require energy to produce. Someone must have the data somewhere, as to per capita CO2 over time, but it's ridiculous to suggest that because it's per capita and the number of people continues to increase, we should just throw up our hands, give up and none of it matters. But sadly this has just become political, with many people making up their minds not on science, but on party lines and what they want to believe. And that's not hard to do on the internet today, there is always someone saying what you want to hear. It's worked wonders for Trump. He chose to believe Putin's lies, that Ukraine is responsible for meddling, not Russia. Look what it's done for him. The sad thing is he's taken most of the pathetic Republicans down the tubes with him. And that leaves out all the other undesirable side effects of burning fossil fuels from air pollution to the environmental damage done by drilling and transporting fossil fuels. Solar, Nuclear, Hydro, Wind and energy efficiency can all be used to reduce and eventually eliminate fossil fuels over time given investment. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On 2019-11-26, Scott Lurndal wrote:
That's frankly horse****. What are your professional qualifications to make such an assessment? What are yours? Professionals such as Reid Bryson (who called the notion of man-made global warming "absurd" and "full of hooey") and other legitimate scientists have certainly made such assessments. I'll take Reid's assessment of the matter over yours any day of the week. On the other hand, the mountain of lies, distortions, fabrications, and outright fraud that environmentalists and climate alarmists have been caught in, as well as their failed predictions of doom over the last 50 years, speaks for itself. As I've stated before I personally will not lift a finger to reduce my carbon footprint. I will not change over to LED light bulbs, will not install solar panels, will not purchase lousy energy efficient appliances, will not buy a hybrid or electric car. The so-called "climate crisis" is bogus as a 3-dollar bill and I will not change my lifestyle one iota to accomodate it. I don't care what government wants. I don't care what YOU want. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 1:11:57 PM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2019-11-26, Scott Lurndal wrote: That's frankly horse****. What are your professional qualifications to make such an assessment? What are yours? Ours would be overwhelming majority of climate scientists the world over. Professionals such as Reid Bryson (who called the notion of man-made global warming "absurd" and "full of hooey") and other legitimate scientists have certainly made such assessments. I'll take Reid's assessment of the matter over yours any day of the week. Typical. Bryson is a dead man. He died eleven years ago at the age of 88. He was not active in climate research at the end of his life. And here is what he had to say in 1973: In 1973, Bryson testified to Congress that global warming from fossil-fuel combustion was politically unstoppable. There is no way right now that we can control the climate to make it more benign. Even if we were to say "let us stop using fossil fuels so that we do not add carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, because that impacts the world climate," how on earth could you stop using fossil fuels? Even those countries that are most heavily impacted by the climatic change are the ones who say it is our turn to be affluent and it is in the use of fossil fuels that one gains affluence.[7] In later years, when it was clear that the climate was indeed warming, Bryson argued that while climate change and a global increase in temperature are real, he did not believe that they are caused by human activity. " So, at some point he flipped and he's been dead for eleven years. And today, unlike 1973, we have the technology to reduce CO2 emissions. We also don't know what his opinion would be today. That you have to try to use dead men speaks volumes. But that's where the deniers science comes from. Dead men, men who are scientists, but not in the field of climate science. There will always be some outliers and it's not limited to climate change. I can cite for you a Noble Laureate that claims HIV is not the cause of AIDS. So, you have him and a handful like him, versus all the scientific evidence, scientists, doctors who say HIV is the cause. So, we should doubt that HIV causes aids and not set public policy on the basis of the overwhelming science? On the other hand, the mountain of lies, distortions, fabrications, and outright fraud that environmentalists and climate alarmists have been caught in, as well as their failed predictions of doom over the last 50 years, speaks for itself. Nonsense. Certainly the vast majority of climate scientists have not been predicting doom that didn't happen. They have been issuing ever increasing warnings that unless we reduce CO2 emissions, we do risk global climate change with some very bad consequences and that there are likely other potential serious risks from aspects of it that we do not understand. Which is to say, at some point global warming could stop or reverse some of the global ocean currents, and those in turn could have feedback that accelerates climate change. How lucky do you feel, listening to a dead man? As I've stated before I personally will not lift a finger to reduce my carbon footprint. No surprise there. I suppose you're all in with Trump to increase burning of coal too. I will not change over to LED light bulbs, will not install solar panels, will not purchase lousy energy efficient appliances, will not buy a hybrid or electric car. The so-called "climate crisis" is bogus as a 3-dollar bill and I will not change my lifestyle one iota to accomodate it. I don't care what government wants. I don't care what YOU want. You probably said the same thing about cigarettes, seat belts, CAFE MPG standards, air bags, etc, etc, etc. I have LEDs, 94% furnace, 14 SEER AC, love them all. They have reduced my CO2 emissions and saved me money, both good things. I'd buy an electric car, if it fit my usage profile and needs, eg I needed a commuter car. You can be a Luddite, but it's not a good idea to set policy affecting the planet based on dead men. And even the one dead man said previously that CO2 was causing global warming. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On 11/25/2019 1:50 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. The question is, are we going to vote the entire Repub party out of office and then actually figure out what we can do about it. The only obstacle is the science denier Repubs and their fossil fuel company owners. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:20:55 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 8:03:35 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:42:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 4:56:27 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 12:24:21 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 2:04:58 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! Are you saying too much hot air comming out of Washington ? Seems like England is putting out lots too about the Brentexit or whatever it is called. It could be all the protesters over the world burning up the cities. No, he's saying that CO2 is now higher than it has been in 800,000 years, that it's increased by a third in just the last 100 years, that it's caused by man burning fossil fuels, that previous rises of that magnitude took hundreds of thousands of years. No amount of Trump, Republican lying and denying can change that. The world population is over 3 times what it was in 1920 too. You can't deny that either. Most of those people are not going stop burning the forest and plains to grow more food. Irrelevant, of course. There is no question that man burning fossil fuels is the overwhelming emitter. We could have the same population and be using solar and wind energy and there would not have been the rise. The flaw in that theory is CO2 has tracked population growth for 8000 years. There is no flaw, the rise in CO2 is being fueled by man burning fossil fuels. Sure, the more people that are burning oil and coal, the more CO2. So, what's the point? If most of those people switched to heating with solar, driving electric cars powered from solar, wind, nuclear, they would emit far less Co2. You're just like Trump and the trumpets. Just pick and choose, throw anything up. "The word is.....", "That's what they say....." I'll stick with the science that the overwhelming number of scientists who actually have the credentials and expertise agree on. The US had just 5 percent of the world's population, yet we emit 15 percent of the greenhouse gases. It's not from burning forests, just open your eyes and look around. The question is would it really make any difference? CO2 started rising as the population started rising, long before we knew what to do with oil http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Population%20vs%20CO2.jpg |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On 11/25/2019 5:11 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:44:41 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 4:50:55 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. WE can either add people and continue to burn fossil fuels or we can add people and convert much of the existing population to solar, wind, nuclear, etc. One way CO2 keeps going up, the other way it slows down and declines. As long as we keep clearing land to grow crops, the CO2 will continue to rise. There is nothing to stop it. It is also ludicrous to think the 3d world will ever be using all of this "green". technology and that is where the population growth is. They want it and they want it now. That means largely unregulated power plants, vehicles and heating. It is funny how we totally ignore what the 3d world does when we are patting ourselves on the back. We like to sit around in a circle jerk and say banning CFCs is what restored the ozone and ignore the 3d world (mostly China and India) never banned CFCs and produced more in the last 30 years than the 1st world ever made. Last I heard you could still get R-12 in Mexico and that was the worst if you believed the critics (the first one we banned) China said **** that we are building a BILLION refrigerators using R-12. They may be using R-134 by now, mostly because that is were we buy most of ours from but those R-12 machines are still out there. They are also still building coal fired plants in spite of the fact that they also install a lot of solar. It gets dark in China too.. And you and the repubs just deny there is anything to do, so why bother. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:29:37 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 12:03:14 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote: On 26/11/2019 04:01, wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 02:02:20 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 21:50, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. There is truth in what you say, but it doesn't mean that we can try to do something about it. Doing nothing is not very sensible. Futile gestures are not very sensible either, particularly when our biggest competitors are not doing it. If renewables make sense for you, by all means go for it but I still can't get the numbers to work for me. I think if this is really going to be anything but a hobby for rich guys, the utilities will have to do it. You have a point, but surely we can at least try to get them on board? Giving up is defeatist. -- Bod That's Fretwell's argument on most things. No need to do anything about the deficits and national debt either, it's all hopeless. CO2, well the population is growing, so let's just throw up our hands and not reduce the CO2 per capita that's being emitted. And you're right, we should be working towards agreements that reduce CO2, instead Trump and his trumptards just deny there is any problem, the science is all wrong, so let's just withdraw from any action and instead lobby for burning more coal. And Fretwell doesn't learn from history either. Has our effort to reduce energy usage, reduce CO2 emissions been all bad? If everyone threw up their hands, said nothing can be done, would we have 30 MPG gas cars today? Hybrids that get 50? Electric vehicles? 95% efficient furnaces? An increasing share of electric coming from solar, to the point that it's economically viable? Yeah lets throw a virgin into the volcano so we can say we are doing something. 30 MPG cars are here because oil isn't $2 a barrel anymore, Let the market work. When solar energy actually gets economically viable, we will use it here in the rich west. Meanwhile the other 90% of the population will do what they can afford. That will be to burn the cheapest stuff around and destroy the vegetation that eats CO2 to feed their exploding populations. Burning the rain forest to make farmland certainly emits CO2 but more importantly it removes a significant CO2 sink and you can't ignore that. Farms are horrible CO2 sinks., Just about the time the plants become effective at removing CO2 we harvest what we want and plow the rest under to rot, releasing all the CO2 they absorbed back into the atmosphere. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:34:20 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 11:06:47 PM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote: On 2019-11-25, wrote: The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. The "evidence" that we are causing any change is quite questionable, Do you dispute that CO2 is now higher than it's been in 700,000 years? That it's increased by a third in just the last 100 years? That previous increases of that magnitude took tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years? That it's being driven overwhelmingly by the burning of fossil fuels? That change is indisputable. the data rife with distortion and outright fraud and fed into faulty computer models. The much ballyhood claim of the alarmists that "97% of scientists agree" is a lie based on faulty polling data. To really understand "global warming/climate change" one needs to follow the flow of money and power, see who reaps the rewards. The fact is that any human contribution to climate change is practically lost in the noise compared to the forces of nature. The above CO2 data says that's a lie, man has directly and significantly impacted CO2 levels. Yeah, simply by being here http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Population%20vs%20CO2.jpg |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:26:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 10:22:49 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: trader_4 writes: On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 8:03:35 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:42:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: No, he's saying that CO2 is now higher than it has been in 800,000 years, that it's increased by a third in just the last 100 years, that it's caused by man burning fossil fuels, that previous rises of that magnitude took hundreds of thousands of years. No amount of Trump, Republican lying and denying can change that. The world population is over 3 times what it was in 1920 too. You can't deny that either. Most of those people are not going stop burning the forest and plains to grow more food. Irrelevant, of course. There is no question that man burning fossil fuels is the overwhelming emitter. We could have the same population and be using solar and wind energy and there would not have been the rise. The flaw in that theory is CO2 has tracked population growth for 8000 years. There is no flaw, the rise in CO2 is being fueled by man burning fossil fuels. Which man has only been burning in any significant amount for about 150 years. Not 8000 years (burning wood is carbon neutral for all intents and purposes as it is not releasing carbon that has been sequestered for hundreds of millions of years). Also factor in that for 95%+ of that period, whatever burning was going on was to heat a small cave, a hovel, or a couple of ten by ten rooms. Burning is not the problem, the loss of native vegetation and forest land is. A farm that is bare dirt or emerging plants for most of the year is not removing much CO2. When you plow everything under you didn't eat it is the same as burning it and everything you eat is also burned. 6.6 billion people belching out CO2 and farting methane is also not an insignificant amount. That is before we start looking at their animals. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:09:27 -0800, Bob F wrote:
On 11/25/2019 1:50 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. The question is, are we going to vote the entire Repub party out of office and then actually figure out what we can do about it. The only obstacle is the science denier Repubs and their fossil fuel company owners. .... Plus about 5.5 billion people who want to have things and don't give a **** what Greta thinks. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:10:59 -0800, Bob F wrote:
On 11/25/2019 5:11 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:44:41 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 4:50:55 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. WE can either add people and continue to burn fossil fuels or we can add people and convert much of the existing population to solar, wind, nuclear, etc. One way CO2 keeps going up, the other way it slows down and declines. As long as we keep clearing land to grow crops, the CO2 will continue to rise. There is nothing to stop it. It is also ludicrous to think the 3d world will ever be using all of this "green". technology and that is where the population growth is. They want it and they want it now. That means largely unregulated power plants, vehicles and heating. It is funny how we totally ignore what the 3d world does when we are patting ourselves on the back. We like to sit around in a circle jerk and say banning CFCs is what restored the ozone and ignore the 3d world (mostly China and India) never banned CFCs and produced more in the last 30 years than the 1st world ever made. Last I heard you could still get R-12 in Mexico and that was the worst if you believed the critics (the first one we banned) China said **** that we are building a BILLION refrigerators using R-12. They may be using R-134 by now, mostly because that is were we buy most of ours from but those R-12 machines are still out there. They are also still building coal fired plants in spite of the fact that they also install a lot of solar. It gets dark in China too.. And you and the repubs just deny there is anything to do, so why bother. The reality of an emerging 3d world that wants stuff seems to be lost on you blue state citiots who think everyone should live like you. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 8:18:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
30 MPG cars are here because oil isn't $2 a barrel anymore, Let the market work. I'm on board with that. Let the market actually work, and stop subsidizing fossil fuels. Cindy Hamilton |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On 27/11/2019 11:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 8:18:51 PM UTC-5, wrote: 30 MPG cars are here because oil isn't $2 a barrel anymore, Let the market work. I'm on board with that. Let the market actually work, and stop subsidizing fossil fuels. Cindy Hamilton +1 -- Bod |
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Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On 11/26/2019 10:49 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:09:27 -0800, Bob F wrote: On 11/25/2019 1:50 PM, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. The question is, are we going to vote the entire Repub party out of office and then actually figure out what we can do about it. The only obstacle is the science denier Repubs and their fossil fuel company owners. ... Plus about 5.5 billion people who want to have things and don't give a **** what Greta thinks. Little Grettie is slightly more photogenic than Linkola although he is better at getting down to the basics: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pentti_linkola |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 8:26:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:26:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 10:22:49 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: trader_4 writes: On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 8:03:35 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:42:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: No, he's saying that CO2 is now higher than it has been in 800,000 years, that it's increased by a third in just the last 100 years, that it's caused by man burning fossil fuels, that previous rises of that magnitude took hundreds of thousands of years. No amount of Trump, Republican lying and denying can change that. The world population is over 3 times what it was in 1920 too. You can't deny that either. Most of those people are not going stop burning the forest and plains to grow more food. Irrelevant, of course. There is no question that man burning fossil fuels is the overwhelming emitter. We could have the same population and be using solar and wind energy and there would not have been the rise. The flaw in that theory is CO2 has tracked population growth for 8000 years. There is no flaw, the rise in CO2 is being fueled by man burning fossil fuels. Which man has only been burning in any significant amount for about 150 years. Not 8000 years (burning wood is carbon neutral for all intents and purposes as it is not releasing carbon that has been sequestered for hundreds of millions of years). Also factor in that for 95%+ of that period, whatever burning was going on was to heat a small cave, a hovel, or a couple of ten by ten rooms. Burning is not the problem, the loss of native vegetation and forest land is. A farm that is bare dirt or emerging plants for most of the year is not removing much CO2. When you plow everything under you didn't eat it is the same as burning it and everything you eat is also burned. 6.6 billion people belching out CO2 and farting methane is also not an insignificant amount. That is before we start looking at their animals. That's your version. The accepted science from the overwhelming number of scientists who have done the research and understand the numbers is that the majority of the rise in CO2 over the last 100 years, with it rising by about a third, is the direct result of man burning fossil fuels. I'll stick with their opinion, thank you. What's next? Argue for burning more coal because Trump says it's a great idea? |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 10:00:23 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
writes: On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:26:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 10:22:49 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: Which man has only been burning in any significant amount for about 150 years. Not 8000 years (burning wood is carbon neutral for all intents and purposes as it is not releasing carbon that has been sequestered for hundreds of millions of years). Also factor in that for 95%+ of that period, whatever burning was going on was to heat a small cave, a hovel, or a couple of ten by ten rooms. Burning is not the problem, the loss of native vegetation and forest land is. A farm that is bare dirt or emerging plants for most of the year is not removing much CO2. When you plow everything under you didn't eat it is the same as burning it and everything you eat is also burned. 6.6 billion people belching out CO2 and farting methane is also not an insignificant amount. That is before we start looking at their animals. And again, your scientific illiteracy rears its ugly head. Without adding fossil carbon to the atmosphere, there would be no excess regardless of how many people are respirating and passing gas; on any scale that matters, the carbon usage would be neutral (the carbon being exhaled was plant matter or meat a few days earlier, and will become plant matter or meat a few days or months later). Taking carbon that _hasn't_ been in the atomosphere for hundreds of millions of years and adding it back _does_ alter the balance, and not in a good way. It's not just that the carbon hasn't been in the air for hundreds of millions of years, it's that it took hundreds of millions of years for that carbon to accumulate as coal, oil, nat gas and now we're burning in in just hundreds of years. If we were adding it back at the rate it accumulated, the effect would be minimal too. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On 27/11/2019 15:21, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 8:26:02 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:26:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 10:22:49 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote: trader_4 writes: On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 8:03:35 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:42:45 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: No, he's saying that CO2 is now higher than it has been in 800,000 years, that it's increased by a third in just the last 100 years, that it's caused by man burning fossil fuels, that previous rises of that magnitude took hundreds of thousands of years. No amount of Trump, Republican lying and denying can change that. The world population is over 3 times what it was in 1920 too. You can't deny that either. Most of those people are not going stop burning the forest and plains to grow more food. Irrelevant, of course. There is no question that man burning fossil fuels is the overwhelming emitter. We could have the same population and be using solar and wind energy and there would not have been the rise. The flaw in that theory is CO2 has tracked population growth for 8000 years. There is no flaw, the rise in CO2 is being fueled by man burning fossil fuels. Which man has only been burning in any significant amount for about 150 years. Not 8000 years (burning wood is carbon neutral for all intents and purposes as it is not releasing carbon that has been sequestered for hundreds of millions of years). Also factor in that for 95%+ of that period, whatever burning was going on was to heat a small cave, a hovel, or a couple of ten by ten rooms. Burning is not the problem, the loss of native vegetation and forest land is. A farm that is bare dirt or emerging plants for most of the year is not removing much CO2. When you plow everything under you didn't eat it is the same as burning it and everything you eat is also burned. 6.6 billion people belching out CO2 and farting methane is also not an insignificant amount. That is before we start looking at their animals. That's your version. The accepted science from the overwhelming number of scientists who have done the research and understand the numbers is that the majority of the rise in CO2 over the last 100 years, with it rising by about a third, is the direct result of man burning fossil fuels. I'll stick with their opinion, thank you. What's next? Argue for burning more coal because Trump says it's a great idea? Don't forget the colossal loss of trees in the Amazon etc. Known as the lungs of the Earth. -- Bod |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 9:55:08 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
writes: On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:20:55 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: The US had just 5 percent of the world's population, yet we emit 15 percent of the greenhouse gases. It's not from burning forests, just open your eyes and look around. The question is would it really make any difference? CO2 started rising as the population started rising, long before we knew what to do with oil Total claptrap. Your chart doesn't mean what you think it means. The uptick in population at the far end of the chart happens to correlate quite well with the uptick in fossil fuel usage (i.e. the Industrial Revolution) over the same period of time. And from 0 to ~1900 or so, the chart of population shows a significant rise, while the chart of CO2 is flat or down. IDK what his illogical point even is. That CO2 tracks human population, is true. But the next logical step is what are humans doing that is causing it. The scientific consensus, by those that have actually done the research and run the numbers, say it's overwhelmingly from burning fossil fuels, not from burning forests. You also should actually point to the original - you've removed any attributions from your copied jpg which makes it completley useless for drawing any conclusions. |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 8:18:51 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:29:37 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 12:03:14 AM UTC-5, Bod wrote: On 26/11/2019 04:01, wrote: On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 02:02:20 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 21:50, wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:44:39 +0000, Bod wrote: On 25/11/2019 19:38, devnull wrote: On 11/25/19 1:13 PM, Bod wrote: Atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases once again reached new highs in 2018. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says the increase in CO2 was just above the average rise recorded over the last decade. Levels of other warming gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide, have also surged by above average amounts. Since 1990 there's been an increase of 43% in the warming effect on the climate of long lived greenhouse gases. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50504131 Someone tell Trump how serious climate change is! LOL! Climate change is more FUD from the leftards. Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal. - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1 https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ The climate does appear to be warming and there is pretty good evidence that man is affecting. The question is whether there is actually anything we can do about it. As long as we are piling more people onto the planet it an alarming rate, we are going to create more greenhouse gas. It is a trend that goes back 8000 years when we started clearing native vegetation to grow crops. There is truth in what you say, but it doesn't mean that we can try to do something about it. Doing nothing is not very sensible. Futile gestures are not very sensible either, particularly when our biggest competitors are not doing it. If renewables make sense for you, by all means go for it but I still can't get the numbers to work for me. I think if this is really going to be anything but a hobby for rich guys, the utilities will have to do it. You have a point, but surely we can at least try to get them on board? Giving up is defeatist. -- Bod That's Fretwell's argument on most things. No need to do anything about the deficits and national debt either, it's all hopeless. CO2, well the population is growing, so let's just throw up our hands and not reduce the CO2 per capita that's being emitted. And you're right, we should be working towards agreements that reduce CO2, instead Trump and his trumptards just deny there is any problem, the science is all wrong, so let's just withdraw from any action and instead lobby for burning more coal. And Fretwell doesn't learn from history either. Has our effort to reduce energy usage, reduce CO2 emissions been all bad? If everyone threw up their hands, said nothing can be done, would we have 30 MPG gas cars today? Hybrids that get 50? Electric vehicles? 95% efficient furnaces? An increasing share of electric coming from solar, to the point that it's economically viable? Yeah lets throw a virgin into the volcano so we can say we are doing something. Those that would do such a thing are on your team. You are the one eschewing sound science and turning to internet myths. 30 MPG cars are here because oil isn't $2 a barrel anymore, Let the market work. And you deny that CAFE mandated standards had any effect? When solar energy actually gets economically viable, we will use it here in the rich west. IDK where you live, but we are using it here and now. I see solar roofs on homes all over the state. I see some solar energy farms too. Funny, I thought the US was a world LEADER, not a last adopter. Meanwhile the other 90% of the population will do what they can afford. That will be to burn the cheapest stuff around and destroy the vegetation that eats CO2 to feed their exploding populations. The policy of the US pre-Trump was to work with the rest of the world to work and manage all that together, to the extent possible. When the US takes Trump's approach, your approach, "who cares?", and walks away that isn't possible. Are you sure you didn't vote for Trump? |
Climate change: Greenhouse gas concentrations again break records
But sadly this has just become political,..... Yes, it has become political because the proposed solution is more government and more taxes. THAT is why it is political. Nobody is opposed to scientific research and development of alternative sources of energy. Nobody is opposed to planting more trees and conservation of resources. But as they learned in France, plenty of people are opposed to more taxes. Mark |
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