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Replacing a shutoff valve
Hello all,
I want to replace the shutoff valve to my home. The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM How would I take the old valve out and then put the new valve (a ball valve) in? I see on youtube videos describing cutting the pipe out, soldering extensions, etc. I hope these are not necessary. Thanks! Deguza |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On 7/1/19 5:38 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all, I want to replace the shutoff valve to my home. The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM How would I take the old valve out and then put the new valve (a ball valve) in? I see on youtube videos describing cutting the pipe out, soldering extensions, etc. I hope these are not necessary. Thanks! Deguza Where does the pipe going down from the valve go ? Is there another fitting you can see, or does pipe disappear into floor or wall ? Unless there is a fitting called a "union" somewhere close, you are into major wrench work. |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 18:00:50 -0400, wrote:
Unless there is a fitting called a "union" somewhere close, you are into major wrench work. +1 |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza
wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:00:59 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On 7/1/19 5:38 PM, Deguza wrote: Hello all, I want to replace the shutoff valve to my home. The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM How would I take the old valve out and then put the new valve (a ball valve) in? I see on youtube videos describing cutting the pipe out, soldering extensions, etc. I hope these are not necessary. Thanks! Deguza Where does the pipe going down from the valve go ? Is there another fitting you can see, or does pipe disappear into floor or wall ? Unless there is a fitting called a "union" somewhere close, you are into major wrench work. The pipe goes into the ground... I put one more view at: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Arqoa1B33oXrgTXC...b-ynp?e=ygIeT8 |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? I suppose I can, but I really wanted a ball valve... |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On 7/1/19 5:38 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all, I want to replace the shutoff valve to my home. The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM How would I take the old valve out and then put the new valve (a ball valve) in? I see on youtube videos describing cutting the pipe out, soldering extensions, etc. I hope these are not necessary. Thanks! Deguza Judging from the condition of those pipes plus the nature of the question you asked, I'm thinking that ain't no DIY project. I'm thinkin' 1-800-PLUMBER ;-) |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 15:44:27 -0700 (PDT), Deguza
wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? I suppose I can, but I really wanted a ball valve... I understand that. If you start cutting pipes, wrenches, etc.. You may have future leaks in the future. A stem kit would an easy fix for the valve IMO. How much does a pipe fitter cost...? |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:49:00 PM UTC-7, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 7/1/19 5:38 PM, Deguza wrote: Hello all, I want to replace the shutoff valve to my home. The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM How would I take the old valve out and then put the new valve (a ball valve) in? I see on youtube videos describing cutting the pipe out, soldering extensions, etc. I hope these are not necessary. Thanks! Deguza Judging from the condition of those pipes plus the nature of the question you asked, I'm thinking that ain't no DIY project. I'm thinkin' 1-800-PLUMBER ;-) After your advice I contacted a friend who does this type of stuff, he will do it. Thanks! |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:59:05 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 15:44:27 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? I suppose I can, but I really wanted a ball valve... I understand that. If you start cutting pipes, wrenches, etc.. You may have future leaks in the future. A stem kit would an easy fix for the valve IMO. How much does a pipe fitter cost...? If it involves cutting pipes, I'll do what you are suggesting. If somehow I could take the existing valve out easily, I would replace it with a ball valve. However, as I wrote earlier to Wade, I am going to get my friend involved. If he thinks it is beyond his experience, I'll call a plumber... Thanks for your advice! |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 18:00:50 -0400, wrote:
Unless there is a fitting called a "union" somewhere close, you are into major wrench work. +1 That horizontal line has been opened in the not _too_ distant past--the nipple still has a Home Depot price tag on it with tape not dope. Looks like may have used black iron instead of galvanized for it, though. My guess would be there's union there; the q? is what's on the other side of that tee before can break that run??? |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 15:19:05 -0700, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? That is a gate valve but he still may be able to rebuild it. If not then you are unscrewing pipe until you get to the next union. I would seriously think about cutting it out and replacing as much as you can with PVC. It is a lot easier to work with and it will never rust like that did. One hard and fast rule, always put PVC into metal, never the other way. Do Not put a female PVC fitting on a metal pipe. It will crack. Always use a metal coupler and screw in a PVC male adapter with teflon dope. |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza
wrote: Hello all, I want to replace the shutoff valve to my home. The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM How would I take the old valve out and then put the new valve (a ball valve) in? I see on youtube videos describing cutting the pipe out, soldering extensions, etc. I hope these are not necessary. Thanks! Deguza You are "screwed" Somewhere you are going to need to cut our a pipe nipple and replace it with a union coupler. You will likely have to remove a LOT of pipe to do it properly |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 15:43:34 -0700 (PDT), Deguza
wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:00:59 PM UTC-7, wrote: On 7/1/19 5:38 PM, Deguza wrote: Hello all, I want to replace the shutoff valve to my home. The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM How would I take the old valve out and then put the new valve (a ball valve) in? I see on youtube videos describing cutting the pipe out, soldering extensions, etc. I hope these are not necessary. Thanks! Deguza Where does the pipe going down from the valve go ? Is there another fitting you can see, or does pipe disappear into floor or wall ? Unless there is a fitting called a "union" somewhere close, you are into major wrench work. The pipe goes into the ground... I put one more view at: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Arqoa1B33oXrgTXC...b-ynp?e=ygIeT8 So water comes up, through the valve to the "T" where it goes in through the wall and out to??? |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 15:44:27 -0700 (PDT), Deguza
wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? I suppose I can, but I really wanted a ball valve... Heard the expression "beggars can't be choosers? |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:08:24 PM UTC-7, dpb wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 18:00:50 -0400, wrote: Unless there is a fitting called a "union" somewhere close, you are into major wrench work. +1 That horizontal line has been opened in the not _too_ distant past--the nipple still has a Home Depot price tag on it with tape not dope. Looks like may have used black iron instead of galvanized for it, though. My guess would be there's union there; the q? is what's on the other side of that tee before can break that run??? The horizontal line goes to the sprinkler system, I'm estimating that it was put about 15 to 20 years ago. When I bought the house 11 years ago it was there. If you mean by the other side of the tee, the side towards the wall, that's where the pipe enters the crawlspace. The water then gets distributed to the bathroom, kitchen and the garage. Deguza |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:22:39 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 15:19:05 -0700, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? That is a gate valve but he still may be able to rebuild it. If not then you are unscrewing pipe until you get to the next union. I would seriously think about cutting it out and replacing as much as you can with PVC. It is a lot easier to work with and it will never rust like that did. One hard and fast rule, always put PVC into metal, never the other way. Do Not put a female PVC fitting on a metal pipe. It will crack. Always use a metal coupler and screw in a PVC male adapter with teflon dope. Interesting idea. I'll pass it on to my friend was going to help me. But see what he says about the PVC. Deguza |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On 7/1/2019 6:44 PM, Deguza wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? I suppose I can, but I really wanted a ball valve... I can understand that, but looking at the existing pipe you may be in for a bit of work. Some joints will be opened or disturbed doing the job and they may be in need of replacing too. Be prepared to do some other work along with the valve. |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 7:48:20 PM UTC-7, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 15:43:34 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:00:59 PM UTC-7, wrote: On 7/1/19 5:38 PM, Deguza wrote: Hello all, I want to replace the shutoff valve to my home. The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM How would I take the old valve out and then put the new valve (a ball valve) in? I see on youtube videos describing cutting the pipe out, soldering extensions, etc. I hope these are not necessary. Thanks! Deguza Where does the pipe going down from the valve go ? Is there another fitting you can see, or does pipe disappear into floor or wall ? Unless there is a fitting called a "union" somewhere close, you are into major wrench work. The pipe goes into the ground... I put one more view at: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Arqoa1B33oXrgTXC...b-ynp?e=ygIeT8 So water comes up, through the valve to the "T" where it goes in through the wall and out to??? The pipe enters the crawlspace. The water then gets distributed to the bathroom, kitchen and the garage. The other side of the T feeds the sprinkler system. Deguza |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 9:51:09 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/1/2019 6:44 PM, Deguza wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? I suppose I can, but I really wanted a ball valve... I can understand that, but looking at the existing pipe you may be in for a bit of work. Some joints will be opened or disturbed doing the job and they may be in need of replacing too. Be prepared to do some other work along with the valve. I think you are right Ed. You folks made the project a lot clearer for me. What I was hoping was that somehow I can take the existing valve out by turning it around after taking the handle and the rest of the sticking parts out. After all, somebody was able to put together the whole contraption without soldering anything. I was thinking I could reverse the process of putting it together. Deguza |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On 2/7/19 3:00 pm, Deguza wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 9:51:09 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 7/1/2019 6:44 PM, Deguza wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? I suppose I can, but I really wanted a ball valve... I can understand that, but looking at the existing pipe you may be in for a bit of work. Some joints will be opened or disturbed doing the job and they may be in need of replacing too. Be prepared to do some other work along with the valve. I think you are right Ed. You folks made the project a lot clearer for me. What I was hoping was that somehow I can take the existing valve out by turning it around after taking the handle and the rest of the sticking parts out. After all, somebody was able to put together the whole contraption without soldering anything. I was thinking I could reverse the process of putting it together. Deguza You must realise that the pipe coming out of the ground was the start point in the assembly process. You don't know where the finish point was *inside* the house. That point, the first coupling, will be your start point in reversing the process. You have to find the point where unscrewing one pipe doesn't screw another pipe in tighter at the other end. Then you can work back to your tap from there. You will find that the task will be like Topsy, it'll grow and grow. Far better to fix the issue with the tap and leave the rest of the plumbing be. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On 7/1/2019 11:48 PM, Deguza wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:08:24 PM UTC-7, dpb wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 18:00:50 -0400, wrote: Unless there is a fitting called a "union" somewhere close, you are into major wrench work. +1 That horizontal line has been opened in the not _too_ distant past--the nipple still has a Home Depot price tag on it with tape not dope. Looks like may have used black iron instead of galvanized for it, though. My guess would be there's union there; the q? is what's on the other side of that tee before can break that run??? The horizontal line goes to the sprinkler system, I'm estimating that it was put about 15 to 20 years ago. When I bought the house 11 years ago it was there. If you mean by the other side of the tee, the side towards the wall, that's where the pipe enters the crawlspace. The water then gets distributed to the bathroom, kitchen and the garage. The Q? isn't so much where it goes or what it services but where is there a union or the end of a run that can disassemble? As Clare(?) or was it Ed? said in similar vein, you can't just unscrew one piece of pipe out of the middle... -- |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On 7/1/2019 11:48 PM, Deguza wrote:
On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:08:24 PM UTC-7, dpb wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 18:00:50 -0400, wrote: Unless there is a fitting called a "union" somewhere close, you are into major wrench work. +1 That horizontal line has been opened in the not _too_ distant past--the nipple still has a Home Depot price tag on it with tape not dope. Looks like may have used black iron instead of galvanized for it, though. My guess would be there's union there; the q? is what's on the other side of that tee before can break that run??? The horizontal line goes to the sprinkler system, I'm estimating that it was put about 15 to 20 years ago. When I bought the house 11 years ago it was there. If you mean by the other side of the tee, the side towards the wall, that's where the pipe enters the crawlspace. The water then gets distributed to the bathroom, kitchen and the garage. The Q? isn't so much where it goes or what it services but where is there a union or the end of a run that can disassemble? As Clare(?) or was it Ed? said in similar vein, you can't just unscrew one piece of pipe out of the middle... But, going to the left, clearly there has to be a union, probably fairly close as that one nipple has been replaced. But, to get to the valve you've got to be able to separate the other side of that tee as well...or cut the line and piece in a new union to put it back together and perhaps rethread the cut end...who knows??? we can't see thru the wall to know (nor even the other direction to actually tell but just that the one nipple is new(er) is enough of a klew to tell that side came apart before. -- |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 4:13:28 AM UTC-4, Xeno wrote:
On 2/7/19 3:00 pm, Deguza wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 9:51:09 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 7/1/2019 6:44 PM, Deguza wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? I suppose I can, but I really wanted a ball valve... I can understand that, but looking at the existing pipe you may be in for a bit of work. Some joints will be opened or disturbed doing the job and they may be in need of replacing too. Be prepared to do some other work along with the valve. I think you are right Ed. You folks made the project a lot clearer for me. What I was hoping was that somehow I can take the existing valve out by turning it around after taking the handle and the rest of the sticking parts out. After all, somebody was able to put together the whole contraption without soldering anything. I was thinking I could reverse the process of putting it together. Deguza You must realise that the pipe coming out of the ground was the start point in the assembly process. You don't know where the finish point was *inside* the house. That point, the first coupling, will be your start point in reversing the process. The starting point is either a union or where it *ended*. I could start at the meter, screw on pipe, screw on the valve, screw on pipe, fitting, pipe, fittings, pipe, ending at 5 different places. Without a coupling or cutting it and putting one in, you'd have to reverse that process. His other problem will be that he doesn't have the pipe cutter or threading tools he needs. You have to find the point where unscrewing one pipe doesn't screw another pipe in tighter at the other end. Then you can work back to your tap from there. +1 You will find that the task will be like Topsy, it'll grow and grow. Far better to fix the issue with the tap and leave the rest of the plumbing be. -- Xeno Cutting the pipe, putting in a union is the other option, which sounds far easier so far. Another problem is with old galvanized, it's not unusual to find that it's near failure, with the inside full of rust, narrowing the passageway. What's wrong with the existing valve? New washer, stem packing won't work? |
Replacing a shutoff valve
No threading required if you use a Dresser fitting. https://www.trupply.com/collections/...12597084192846 |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On 7/2/2019 10:55 AM, Bob W. wrote:
No threading required if you use a Dresser fitting. https://www.trupply.com/collections/...12597084192846 I bet they would work well if the pipe was fairly new. I'd not trust them on what I saw in the photo though. |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 21:50:46 -0700 (PDT), Deguza
wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:22:39 PM UTC-7, wrote: On Mon, 01 Jul 2019 15:19:05 -0700, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? That is a gate valve but he still may be able to rebuild it. If not then you are unscrewing pipe until you get to the next union. I would seriously think about cutting it out and replacing as much as you can with PVC. It is a lot easier to work with and it will never rust like that did. One hard and fast rule, always put PVC into metal, never the other way. Do Not put a female PVC fitting on a metal pipe. It will crack. Always use a metal coupler and screw in a PVC male adapter with teflon dope. Interesting idea. I'll pass it on to my friend was going to help me. But see what he says about the PVC. Deguza Old time plumbers scoff at PVC but that is very popular here, only being displaced by PEX. It is rare to see any copper and threaded pipe was dead 60 years ago except in places where the plumber's union rules. I am over 70 and I have never seen a "new construction" galvanized pipe job for water in a dwelling. They used to use black iron on fire sprinklers but the last job I was inspecting was using orange CPVC sprinkler pipe. |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 22:00:20 -0700 (PDT), Deguza
wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 9:51:09 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 7/1/2019 6:44 PM, Deguza wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? I suppose I can, but I really wanted a ball valve... I can understand that, but looking at the existing pipe you may be in for a bit of work. Some joints will be opened or disturbed doing the job and they may be in need of replacing too. Be prepared to do some other work along with the valve. I think you are right Ed. You folks made the project a lot clearer for me. What I was hoping was that somehow I can take the existing valve out by turning it around after taking the handle and the rest of the sticking parts out. After all, somebody was able to put together the whole contraption without soldering anything. I was thinking I could reverse the process of putting it together. Deguza You can - but be prepaired to start dissassembly at the kitchen sink - or the shower, or whatever was installed last by the possibly clueless plumber that installed it - - - . If there is not a union close to the entry you are literally "screwed" |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 18:13:20 +1000, Xeno
wrote: On 2/7/19 3:00 pm, Deguza wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 9:51:09 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 7/1/2019 6:44 PM, Deguza wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? I suppose I can, but I really wanted a ball valve... I can understand that, but looking at the existing pipe you may be in for a bit of work. Some joints will be opened or disturbed doing the job and they may be in need of replacing too. Be prepared to do some other work along with the valve. I think you are right Ed. You folks made the project a lot clearer for me. What I was hoping was that somehow I can take the existing valve out by turning it around after taking the handle and the rest of the sticking parts out. After all, somebody was able to put together the whole contraption without soldering anything. I was thinking I could reverse the process of putting it together. Deguza You must realise that the pipe coming out of the ground was the start point in the assembly process. You don't know where the finish point was *inside* the house. That point, the first coupling, will be your start point in reversing the process. You have to find the point where unscrewing one pipe doesn't screw another pipe in tighter at the other end. Then you can work back to your tap from there. You will find that the task will be like Topsy, it'll grow and grow. Far better to fix the issue with the tap and leave the rest of the plumbing be. Particularly if the whole house is still plumbed with iron pipe. It's the job that never ends. You repair a fitting at point 1 and fittings at point 5 , 7, and 11 decide they want attention too - IMMEDIATELY.. They don't give you an option to delay anything!!! |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 10:55:55 -0400, "Bob W." wrote:
No threading required if you use a Dresser fitting. https://www.trupply.com/collections/...12597084192846 Might be a solution - They have apparently been used for years in certain applications - and definitely the CHEAPEST solution at about 30 greenbacks. Not sure if it is the BEST solution though - and it MIGHT not eliminate the other issue with the "never-ending' repair scenario |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Tue, 02 Jul 2019 22:34:16 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote: On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 18:13:20 +1000, Xeno wrote: On 2/7/19 3:00 pm, Deguza wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 9:51:09 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 7/1/2019 6:44 PM, Deguza wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? I suppose I can, but I really wanted a ball valve... I can understand that, but looking at the existing pipe you may be in for a bit of work. Some joints will be opened or disturbed doing the job and they may be in need of replacing too. Be prepared to do some other work along with the valve. I think you are right Ed. You folks made the project a lot clearer for me. What I was hoping was that somehow I can take the existing valve out by turning it around after taking the handle and the rest of the sticking parts out. After all, somebody was able to put together the whole contraption without soldering anything. I was thinking I could reverse the process of putting it together. Deguza You must realise that the pipe coming out of the ground was the start point in the assembly process. You don't know where the finish point was *inside* the house. That point, the first coupling, will be your start point in reversing the process. You have to find the point where unscrewing one pipe doesn't screw another pipe in tighter at the other end. Then you can work back to your tap from there. You will find that the task will be like Topsy, it'll grow and grow. Far better to fix the issue with the tap and leave the rest of the plumbing be. Particularly if the whole house is still plumbed with iron pipe. It's the job that never ends. You repair a fitting at point 1 and fittings at point 5 , 7, and 11 decide they want attention too - IMMEDIATELY.. They don't give you an option to delay anything!!! That is why I suggested cutting out everything he can get to and replacing it with plastic. You can actually fish PEX in the walls but you will need the tool for putting the rings on. You would need a lot more tools and skill to do threaded pipe so it is a bargain. |
Replacing a shutoff valve
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Replacing a shutoff valve
On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 23:34:52 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/2/2019 10:56 PM, wrote: Particularly if the whole house is still plumbed with iron pipe. It's the job that never ends. You repair a fitting at point 1 and fittings at point 5 , 7, and 11 decide they want attention too - IMMEDIATELY.. They don't give you an option to delay anything!!! That is why I suggested cutting out everything he can get to and replacing it with plastic. You can actually fish PEX in the walls but you will need the tool for putting the rings on. You would need a lot more tools and skill to do threaded pipe so it is a bargain. Agree with that. Much easier to work with I was watching a 4 plex being built for a builder friend that was new construction pex and I was talking to the plumber about retrofits and he said one trick is fish the pipe, terminate the fixture end first so you can pull the pipe out to crimp the sleeve then pull it back and fasten the stop. Make your final crimp in the attic or crawl space at the feed. He suggested a little squirt of red/yellow can spray foam in the wall a few places along the run to secure the pipe so it won't rattle. (a little squirt will do the trick, you are not filling the whole cell or anything). Strap it any place you can reach it. |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On 7/2/19 10:40 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 10:55:55 -0400, "Bob W." wrote: No threading required if you use a Dresser fitting. https://www.trupply.com/collections/...12597084192846 Might be a solution - They have apparently been used for years in certain applications - and definitely the CHEAPEST solution at about 30 greenbacks. Not sure if it is the BEST solution though - and it MIGHT not eliminate the other issue with the "never-ending' repair scenario In my corner of the world, the best solution is to rip that galvanized pipe junk out and install copper. |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On 3/7/19 8:35 pm, devnull wrote:
On 7/2/19 10:40 PM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 10:55:55 -0400, "Bob W." wrote: No threading required if you use a Dresser fitting. https://www.trupply.com/collections/...12597084192846 Might be a solution - They have apparently been used for years in certain applications - and definitely the CHEAPEST solution at about 30 greenbacks. Not sure if it is the BEST solution though - and it MIGHT not eliminate the other issue with the "never-ending' repair scenario In my corner of the world, the best solution is to rip that galvanized pipe junk out and install copper. You must be in the same corner as I. I ripped the gal pipe out of my first house and replaced it with copper. In my second house, the gal had already been replaced with copper and this current house had copper from new. ;-) It is a lot of work replacing the gal with copper. When the pipes barely flowed water because of internal buildup over 45 years, I figured repairs weren't a viable possibility. -- Xeno Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing. (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson) |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 23:34:52 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
That is why I suggested cutting out everything he can get to and replacing it with plastic. You can actually fish PEX in the walls but you will need the tool for putting the rings on. You would need a lot more tools and skill to do threaded pipe so it is a bargain. Agree with that. Much easier to work with _PEX Tubing Technical Specifications_ https://www.pexuniverse.com/pex-tubing-technical-specs Tools can be rented. |
Replacing a shutoff valve
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 1 Jul 2019 15:44:27 -0700 (PDT), Deguza
wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? I suppose I can, but I really wanted a ball valve... I really wanted a rich model with a pickup truck for a wife. So we're even. |
Replacing a shutoff valve
On Wed, 03 Jul 2019 17:16:57 -0400, micky
wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 1 Jul 2019 15:44:27 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 3:19:11 PM UTC-7, Oren wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:38:41 -0700 (PDT), Deguza wrote: The existing valve has threaded female ends as you can see on the photo he https://1drv.ms/f/s!Frqoa1B33oXrgQlZOU8hOWZMUVRUSSQM Can't you just replace the valve stem (kit), after you turn off the water meter? I suppose I can, but I really wanted a ball valve... I really wanted a rich model with a pickup truck for a wife. So we're even. It would be a nice trade ;-) |
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