Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 01:25:01 +0100, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 12:07:47 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, June 12, 2019 at 2:27:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:19:24 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:16:18 +0100, Brian Reay wrote:

On 12/06/2019 18:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these
laws)
you cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to
your
own home, but you can change the brakes on your car. The second
one is
FAR more dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/

While I'm no fan of Part P and I'm not defending it, perhaps you'd
be
less irate if you checked a decent source.

That one has obvious contradictions. Eg: Look at the entry referring
to
sockets in both lists. (Item 1 in first list, 3&4 in second list.)

I guess it's one of those rules that nobody understands. A (Scottish,
therefore not subject to part P) electrician told me you couldn't even
replace a lightswitch in England without a certificate.

That is not what the list you posted said in things you can do.

+1

The list is also somewhat contradictory and stupid in at leas some
places.
Like:

DIY Not allowed:

Re-wire sockets or lights that are faulty and causing the fuse to trip


Allowed:

Replace a simple light fitting
Replace an existing socket or light switch like for like
Make repairs to loose wirings in switches, light fittings, or plugs
Replace light switches
Replace sockets

So if you have a light fixture with an obvious short, you can't
replace it yourself. And good luck enforcing that BS.

You're not allowed to install a "home entry system". What's that?
Security alarm?

I think they are saying that if you have a wiring fault you should
call a pro but you can throw a receptacle, switch or luminaire at it
to see if that fixes anything first.

Which is insane, because an idiot could just as easily cause a fire by
replacing a switch badly.

Wrong, that doesn't cause a fire. The only two likely results is that doesn't
work or takes out the fuse.

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 01:35:44 +0100, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 20:43:03 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

Pat Sajak said it best:

"Only when we have enough laws to properly govern our behavior can we
truly enjoy the freedoms of America".

He was entirely wrong. There is no freedom with all these rules. Leave
us alone!

Fortunately, other than being a game show host, nobody listens to Pat
Sajack about much of anything.
Here in Florida we may not be able to count votes but we can do our
own electrical work and damned near anything else in our own home.
You can pull your own permit for anything from a total house rewire to
doing all of the plumbing and all of the HVAC, along with building the
whole house yourself.
In my area they aren't even very particular about getting a permit if
you can't see the work from the street.
You can count on the tax man showing up tho. He is airborne.

In Scotland I can do anything I like unless it impinges on a neighbour.

That's wrong too.

I can build a garage, a conservatory, I can do anything electrical.

That's wrong too.

Not gas, but who can see :-) An extension to the house apparently needs
planning permission,

And so does the original house.

but all that means is paying a small fee and having all the neighbours the
opportunity to say "it would block my light".

That's wrong too.

? But if it's got enough windows, it's called a conservatory and is exempt
:-)

Wrong again.

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"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:45:27 +0100, Rod Speed

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Commander Kinsey wrote

This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to
these
laws)
you cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket
to
your
own home,

That's a pig ignorant lie.

Well that's what the link says.

Its wrong.

It is interest ring that the people who still live under a queen

They dont.

can't read the queen's English

That isnt Liz's english.

"Repairs you can do yourself

However, there are some jobs that you can do yourself without
calling
in a qualified electrician as long as you are competent with
DIY/Handyman works around the house. These do not fall under
€˜Part
P
guidelines, so you dont have to notify your local building
control
body if you want to:

Replace light bulbs or plug fuses
Replace a simple light fitting
Replace an existing socket or light switch like for like"

In fact you are free to add a new socket to the ring main too.

You can do what the **** you like as it's in your own home and
nobody
inspects it.

I meant its legal to do that.

Apparently not, only replacing existing ones.

Wrong, ask Adam.

Like he'd know any more than any other electrician.

Corse he knows whats legal.

You claimed mine didn't.

He clearly doesnt.

I don't think anybody does, or cares.

Adam lives in a council house, mine owns three properties.

Irrelevant to how well yours knows the english regulations.

I doubt Adam is any more intelligent than my bloke.

He is anyway. Your fool cant even work out whats legal in england
or how to get away with what he claims is illegal and isnt.

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On 14/6/19 9:07 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 01:04:23 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

[snipped spurious newsgroups,

They're relevant newsgroups, arsehole.

added by pet troll]

Why do you keep replying to a thread created by someone you call a
troll?Â* Are you a ****ing idiot?Â* Learn to operate your killfile properly.

On 12/06/2019 18:16, Brian Reay wrote:
On 12/06/2019 18:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane.Â* Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these
laws) you cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to
your own home, but you can change the brakes on your car.Â* The second
one is FAR more dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/


While I'm no fan of Part P and I'm not defending it, perhaps you'd be
less irate if you checked a decent source.

That one has obvious contradictions. Eg: Look at the entry referring to
sockets in both lists. (Item 1 in first list,Â* 3&4 in second list.)

The article quoted is full of nonsense anyway.

Excuse me while I laugh "theyre a legal requirement and are strictly
enforced.", yeah right.

Part P does not have a requirement to use a "fully qualified"
electrician. In cases were work is notifiable, work would need to either:

1) be done by someone who is a member of a competent person scheme;
(might be someone who has done a part P domestic installer course, and
does not know ohms law from his elbow).

2) be done under the auspices of building control;

3) be tested and signed off by someone who is a member of a third party
inspection scheme.

(the latter option being newer than the first two)

Of their list of "notifiable jobs". The following are not notifiable:

Â*Â*Â*Â* Re-wire sockets or lights that are faulty and causing the fuse to
trip
Â*Â*Â*Â* Install outdoor or garden lights that run off mains electricity
Â*Â*Â*Â* Install additional sockets or a light switch as a spur from a
ring main
Â*Â*Â*Â* Install communal hallway smoke alarms or emergency lighting
Â*Â*Â*Â* Install home entry systems
Â*Â*Â*Â* Install electric radiators (where there werent any before)

There are only a small number of notifiable jobs now:

Â*Â*Â*Â* Installing a new circuit
Â*Â*Â*Â* Replacement of a Consumer unit

So was I a naughty boy when I moved my consumer unit to another room?
What about my gas pipe?Â* It's my ****ing house, nobody's business.

It is when your house explodes and takes out all your neighbouring
houses. Yes, that happens.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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On 14/6/19 4:36 am, GB wrote:
On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:33:25 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
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On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
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On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention
to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The second
one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/






It's not about safety.* The electrician's union owns more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?* They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people
who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from?* Out of your rear end,
just like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant.* Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Corse it is

Of course it's not, you stupid ****ing illiterate convict.

Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is
pretty stupid don't you think?

Far from it.* If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was and has inherited criminal tendencies.* Same
****ing difference.

Could be he was descended from free settlers who migrated during the
convict era or later. My parents, for instance, migrated in 1950 to
Australia.

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 14/6/19 6:36 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:50:47 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:36:19 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:33:25 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
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On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
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On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob
Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any
attention
to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The
second
one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/








It's not about safety.* The electrician's union owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring
to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?* They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people
who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from?* Out of your rear end,
just
like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of
apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant.* Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Corse it is

Of course it's not, you stupid ****ing illiterate convict.

Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is
pretty
stupid don't you think?

Far from it.* If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was and has inherited criminal tendencies.* Same
****ing difference.

Why would you inherit criminal tendencies?

For the same reason you inherit other characteristics from your parents.
It's called bad blood in the trade.

No no no, god gives you your characteristics doesn't he?* That's what
you morons believe.

I always find that amusing. All blame to god for getting it wrong! LOL

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.

No, you show yourself up as an idiot every time you post.* Aren't you
the one who was going on about god earlier?

We already know you're a complete moron, and to make it worse, you don't
believe in God.

That's because I have the brains to know he isn't there.


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 14/6/19 7:01 am, GB wrote:
On 6/13/2019 1:36 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:50:47 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:36:19 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:33:25 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob
Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any
attention
to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The
second
one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/








It's not about safety.* The electrician's union owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring
to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?* They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of
people
who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from?* Out of your rear end,
just
like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of
apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant.* Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Corse it is

Of course it's not, you stupid ****ing illiterate convict.

Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is
pretty
stupid don't you think?

Far from it.* If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was and has inherited criminal tendencies.* Same
****ing difference.

Why would you inherit criminal tendencies?

For the same reason you inherit other characteristics from your parents.
It's called bad blood in the trade.

No no no, god gives you your characteristics doesn't he?* That's what
you morons believe.

Who told you that horse****?* God has nothing to do with what
characteristics you inherit.* Apart from original sin, of course.

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.

No, you show yourself up as an idiot every time you post.* Aren't you
the one who was going on about god earlier?

We already know you're a complete moron, and to make it worse, you don't
believe in God.

That's because I have the brains to know he isn't there.

You simply don't have the intelligence to think 'outside the box'.

Trusting to a *belief system* is *thinking*? Much less thinking outside
the box?

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 14/6/19 8:55 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:01:17 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 1:36 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:50:47 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:36:19 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is
pretty
stupid don't you think?

Far from it.* If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was and has inherited criminal tendencies.* Same
****ing difference.

Why would you inherit criminal tendencies?

For the same reason you inherit other characteristics from your
parents.
It's called bad blood in the trade.

No no no, god gives you your characteristics doesn't he?* That's what
you morons believe.

Who told you that horse****?* God has nothing to do with what
characteristics you inherit.* Apart from original sin, of course.

Every moron like yourself that believes in god told me it.* Or have you
guys changed your tune to suit the situation like you usually do.
You're just like those greenies.* Global warming suddenly becomes
climate change when they realise it might not be warmer but something
else.* Let's cover all the bases.* If anything changes about the
climate, we'll blame it on the CO2 emissions.* It never would have
changed by itself....

The science on climate change was *settled* in 1981 according to a
report put out at the time. The only prediction they weren't quite right
on was the speed at which it would happen. They overestimated the rate
of change at first.

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.

No, you show yourself up as an idiot every time you post.* Aren't you
the one who was going on about god earlier?

We already know you're a complete moron, and to make it worse, you
don't
believe in God.

That's because I have the brains to know he isn't there.

You simply don't have the intelligence to think 'outside the box'.

You follow the rules, you think inside the box, I'm the one that thinks
for himself, outside the box.


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 14/6/19 4:34 am, GB wrote:
On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:42:07 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:25 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:24:48 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any
attention to
these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket
to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The
second one
is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/







It's not about safety.* The electrician's union owns more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?* They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people
who
think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from?* Out of your rear end,
just like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant.* Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Any unnecessary rules are OCD.

There are no unnecessary rules in grammar.* It is what it is.

"It is what it is" says it all - you're a robot that follow rules
without understanding.

What's there to understand?* The grammar is there, you learn it, end of
****ing story.* Do you think grammar rules are like motoring rules?

Rules of English Grammar!

Rule # 1 Learn all the rules.
Rule # 2 Learn all the *exceptions* to the rules.

Most other languages in the world have *consistent grammar rules*.
English, being a *******ised language, is a hodge podge of rules and
exceptions with zero consistency.


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 14/6/19 5:53 am, GB wrote:
On 6/13/2019 11:50 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:34:39 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:42:07 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:25 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:24:48 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
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On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any
attention to
these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket
to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The second
one
is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/








It's not about safety.* The electrician's union owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you
referring to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?* They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of
people who
think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from?* Out of your rear end, just
like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of
apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant.* Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Any unnecessary rules are OCD.

There are no unnecessary rules in grammar.* It is what it is.

"It is what it is" says it all - you're a robot that follow rules
without understanding.

What's there to understand?* The grammar is there, you learn it, end of
****ing story.

No, you use the rules that make sense.* Intelligent people know which
rules are sensible.* "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the
guidance of wise men".

Intelligent people know that the rules of grammar, which have evolved
over MANY years, are a given and are sensible.* If everyone started
making up their own grammar rules, you'd end up without a ****ing language.

You really haven't studied the English language and literature to any
great depth, have you?

Do you think grammar rules are like motoring rules?

Yes, they're both pointless.

For morons like you who think that only the laws of physics have to be
obeyed.



--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Troll-feeding Senile ASSHOLE Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 13:28:41 +1000, Xeno, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile Australian, blathered:



It is when your house explodes and takes out all your neighbouring
houses. Yes, that happens.

Even more so when his cock explodes in your cocksucking gob, you
troll-feeding senile cocksucker from Australia!

Troll-feeding Senile ASSHOLE Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 13:36:58 +1000, Xeno, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile Australian idiot, blathered:


The science on climate change was *settled* in 1981 according to a
report put out at the time. The only prediction they weren't quite right
on was the speed at which it would happen. They overestimated the rate
of change at first.

I definitely underrated the degree of your stupidity, you disgusting senile
sucker of troll cock!

Troll-feeding Senile Australian ASSHOLE Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 13:34:45 +1000, Xeno, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile Australian idiot, blathered:



Trusting to a *belief system* is *thinking*? Much less thinking outside
the box?

What's it with you senile Australians and your knack for sucking troll cock?
Especially the filthiest troll cocks? BG

Troll-feeding Senile Australian ASSHOLE Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 13:32:52 +1000, Xeno, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile Australian idiot, blathered:


No no no, god gives you your characteristics doesn't he?* That's what
you morons believe.

I always find that amusing. All blame to god for getting it wrong! LOL

I find it amusing how you don't manage to wean your stupid Australian gob
away from the unwashed Scottish ******'s cock! LOL

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 14/6/19 6:31 pm, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Xeno
wrote:

The science on climate change was *settled* in 1981 according to a
report put out at the time.

Science is *never* "settled", as anyone who knows anything about it -
not you, it would seem - will say.


Not my word, the word of climate scientists in general. All that has
happened since 1981 has been further confirmation of what was determined
in the 81 report.

Are you a climate scientist? I suspect not.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:52:45 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH another 220 !!! lines of the two prize idiots' endless troll****
unread

--
Another retarded "conversation" between Birdbrain and senile Rodent:

Senile Rodent: " Did you ever dig a hole to bury your own ****?"

Birdbrain: "I do if there's no flush toilet around."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, I prefer camping like that, off by myself with
no dunnys around and have always buried the ****."

MID:

Troll-feeding Senile Australian ASSHOLE Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 13:31:13 +1000, Xeno, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile Australian idiot, blathered:


Could be he was descended from free settlers who migrated during the
convict era or later. My parents, for instance, migrated in 1950 to
Australia.

So how did all you senile Ozzietards on Usenet inherit your inclination for
bedding with the filthiest trolls on Usenet? I've seen that in at least
three retarded posters from Australia (yes, you are one of them). BG

Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:54:33 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


What about the message 'rule' that says to only quote a few lines insted
of the whole message.

There is no such rule and you didn't observe it yourself.

There is. And he did, senile asshole! You have to understand that Usenet was
NOT created with senile trolling assholes like you in mind!

I seldom look at messages that are a page or more
long and then have one or two sentences at the end.

Your problem, as always.

Typical senile reaction! G

--
Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

Troll-feeding Senile Australian ASSHOLE Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 13:44:04 +1000, Xeno, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile Australian idiot, blathered:

Intelligent people know that the rules of grammar, which have evolved
over MANY years, are a given and are sensible.* If everyone started
making up their own grammar rules, you'd end up without a ****ing language.

You really haven't studied the English language and literature to any
great depth, have you?

Found yet another unwashed troll cock to suck off, senile Australian
cocksucker? LOL

Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:58:58 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two prize idiots' latest troll****

--
Another typical retarded "conversation" between the Scottish ****** and the
senile Ozzietard:

Birdbrain: "Horse **** doesn't stink."

Senile Rodent: "It does if you roll in it."

Birdbrain: "I've never worked out why, I assumed it was maybe meateaters
that made stinky ****, but then why does vegetarian human **** stink? Is it
just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?"

Senile Rodent: "Nope, some cow **** stinks too."

Message-ID:

Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:54:47 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH troll****

--
Another typical retarded "conversation" between the two resident idiots:

Birdbrain: "But imagine how cool it was to own slaves."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, right. Feed them, clothe them, and fix them when
they're broken.
After all, you paid good money for them. Then you've got to keep an eye
on them all the time."

Birdbrain: "Better than having to give them wages on top of that."

Senile Rodent: "Specially when they make more slaves for you
and produce their own food and clothes."

MID:

Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 10:50:28 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two clinically insane prize idiots' latest sick **** unread

--
Another typical retarded conversation between our two village idiots,
Birdbrain and Rodent Speed:

Birdbrain: "You beat me to it. Plain sex is boring."

Senile Rodent: "Then **** the cats. That wont be boring."

Birdbrain: "Sell me a de-clawing tool first."

Senile Rodent: "Wont help with the teeth."

Birdbrain: "They've never gone for me with their mouths."

Rodent Speed: "They will if you are stupid enough to try ****ing them."

Birdbrain: "No, they always use claws."

Rodent Speed: "They wont if you try ****ing them. Try it and see."

Message-ID:

Troll-feeding Senile Australian ASSHOLE Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 13:42:26 +1000, Xeno, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile Australian idiot, blathered:


Rules of English Grammar!

Rule # 1 Learn all the rules.

Rule # 1 on Usenet: Don't feed the trolls, you ****ing stupid,
troll-feeding, senile Australian asshole!

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Xeno
wrote:

The science on climate change was *settled* in 1981 according to a report
put out at the time.

Science is *never* "settled", as anyone who knows anything about it -
not you, it would seem - will say.

Newtons Laws and evolution clearly are.

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Xeno
wrote:

On 14/6/19 9:07 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 01:04:23 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

[snipped spurious newsgroups,

They're relevant newsgroups, arsehole.

added by pet troll]

Why do you keep replying to a thread created by someone you call a
troll? Are you a ****ing idiot? Learn to operate your killfile
properly.

On 12/06/2019 18:16, Brian Reay wrote:
On 12/06/2019 18:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these
laws) you cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket
to
your own home, but you can change the brakes on your car. The second
one is FAR more dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/

While I'm no fan of Part P and I'm not defending it, perhaps you'd be
less irate if you checked a decent source.

That one has obvious contradictions. Eg: Look at the entry referring
to
sockets in both lists. (Item 1 in first list, 3&4 in second list.)

The article quoted is full of nonsense anyway.

Excuse me while I laugh "theyre a legal requirement and are strictly
enforced.", yeah right.

Part P does not have a requirement to use a "fully qualified"
electrician. In cases were work is notifiable, work would need to
either:

1) be done by someone who is a member of a competent person scheme;
(might be someone who has done a part P domestic installer course, and
does not know ohms law from his elbow).

2) be done under the auspices of building control;

3) be tested and signed off by someone who is a member of a third party
inspection scheme.

(the latter option being newer than the first two)

Of their list of "notifiable jobs". The following are not notifiable:

Re-wire sockets or lights that are faulty and causing the fuse to
trip
Install outdoor or garden lights that run off mains electricity
Install additional sockets or a light switch as a spur from a ring
main
Install communal hallway smoke alarms or emergency lighting
Install home entry systems
Install electric radiators (where there werent any before)

There are only a small number of notifiable jobs now:

Installing a new circuit
Replacement of a Consumer unit

So was I a naughty boy when I moved my consumer unit to another room?
What about my gas pipe? It's my ****ing house, nobody's business.

It is when your house explodes and takes out all your neighbouring houses.
Yes, that happens.

And then the insurance assessors find that the kinsey-fathead did the
work himself and refuse to pay out.

They can't do that with the non phucker properties and the phucker's
property isnt insured.

Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 11:04:08 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two clinically insane prize idiots' latest troll****

--
Another typical retarded "conversation" between the two resident idiots:

Birdbrain: "But imagine how cool it was to own slaves."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, right. Feed them, clothe them, and fix them when
they're broken.
After all, you paid good money for them. Then you've got to keep an eye
on them all the time."

Birdbrain: "Better than having to give them wages on top of that."

Senile Rodent: "Specially when they make more slaves for you
and produce their own food and clothes."

MID:

Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 11:10:29 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH another load of troll****

....and much better air in here again!

--
Typical retarded "conversation" between the Scottish ****** and the senile
Ozzietard:

Birdbrain: "Horse **** doesn't stink."

Senile Rodent: "It does if you roll in it."

Birdbrain: "I've never worked out why, I assumed it was maybe meateaters
that made stinky ****, but then why does vegetarian human **** stink? Is it
just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?"

Senile Rodent: "Nope, some cow **** stinks too."

Message-ID:

Lonely Psychopathic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 11:08:18 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH another load of the two clinically insane idiots' troll****

....and much better air in here again!

--
Another typical retarded conversation between our two village idiots,
Birdbrain and Rodent Speed:

Birdbrain: "You beat me to it. Plain sex is boring."

Senile Rodent: "Then **** the cats. That wont be boring."

Birdbrain: "Sell me a de-clawing tool first."

Senile Rodent: "Wont help with the teeth."

Birdbrain: "They've never gone for me with their mouths."

Rodent Speed: "They will if you are stupid enough to try ****ing them."

Birdbrain: "No, they always use claws."

Rodent Speed: "They wont if you try ****ing them. Try it and see."

Message-ID:

More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 19:29:28 +1000, Jimbo, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


They can't do that with the non phucker properties and the phucker's
property isnt insured.

Good Lord! For how long are you senile idiots still going to quarrel about
this ****?

--
Sqwertz to Rot Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 19:21:42 +1000, Jimbo, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Science is *never* "settled", as anyone who knows anything about it -
not you, it would seem - will say.

Newtons Laws and evolution clearly are.

Auto-contradicting senile asshole! LOL

--
Kerr-Mudd,John addressing senile Rot:
"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
MID:

Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
 

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:46:36 +0100, Tim Streater, another brain damaged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:


Talking of it's. Explain to me, logically, not just "it's the rules", why
it's cannot be possessive. John's car. Fred's motorcycle.
The tree's leaves. It's doorhandle.

"it's" is short for "it is", that's why. And yes, there's some
confusion in that:

There's NO confusion about the fact that he's a trolling idiot and you a
troll-feeding senile idiot!

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 6/13/2019 3:23 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:03:51 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 1:52 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 21:01:35 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:51 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:33:08 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:58 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:45:28 +0100, GB
wrote:

How far has this 90% of the population got?* Dead end jobs and
massive
credit card debt.

Banks are the stupid ones for lending to those who cannot afford.
They
lost, they don't have to be paid back :-)

Lending always carries a risk.

And they ****ed up big time, hence all those banks going belly up.

Careless lending in the past has resulted in the tight credit squeeze
you see today.

What tight credit squeeze?* I'm constantly getting junk mail from credit
card companies.

Yes, but wait till you actually try to apply for a card.

Well they're trying to find customers.* So no credit squeeze.* Anyway,
so what if there is, it would be better if nobody ever lent anyone
anything.

They're trying to find *good* customers. Most applications are rejected.

Those who default on their loans suffer the consequences.

No, unsecured loans can **** off.

No more credit for them, then.* Ever.

I doubt they want any more.

Of course they do.* Everyone wants credit so that they can live outside
their means.

Once they get 70 grand they never have to pay back, they don't care.

Nobody gets a credit limit that large.

You'll end up writing in textspeak, wontcha m8!

Which is easily understood.

Only by cretins glued to their smartphones all day.* Are you one?

No, my phone is for texts and calls.* I wouldn't dream of trying to
use
the internet ion a 4" screen.

So do you spend all day glued to your smartphone texting people?

No, I use it to send a quick message, like "running late, be there at
11."

Probably while you're driving...drunk!

I did once text while driving with a broken arm.* I can multitask you
see.

You're not supposed to be multitasking while driving.

Driving is already multitasking.

No, it isn't.

And there you go again with your silly little rules.* "Not supposed to
be".* Those with intelligence do what they believe is right, not what
everyone else believes is right.

Those with intelligence have more important things to think about than
deciding whether to adhere to a particular law or not. You clearly don't.

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 6/13/2019 8:34 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/6/19 7:01 am, GB wrote:
On 6/13/2019 1:36 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:50:47 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:36:19 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:33:25 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob
Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any
attention
to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The
second
one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/








It's not about safety.* The electrician's union owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you
referring
to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?
They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of
people
who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from?* Out of your rear
end, just
like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of
apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant.* Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Corse it is

Of course it's not, you stupid ****ing illiterate convict.

Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is
pretty
stupid don't you think?

Far from it.* If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was and has inherited criminal tendencies.* Same
****ing difference.

Why would you inherit criminal tendencies?

For the same reason you inherit other characteristics from your
parents.
It's called bad blood in the trade.

No no no, god gives you your characteristics doesn't he?* That's what
you morons believe.

Who told you that horse****?* God has nothing to do with what
characteristics you inherit.* Apart from original sin, of course.

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.

No, you show yourself up as an idiot every time you post.* Aren't you
the one who was going on about god earlier?

We already know you're a complete moron, and to make it worse, you
don't
believe in God.

That's because I have the brains to know he isn't there.

You simply don't have the intelligence to think 'outside the box'.

Trusting to a *belief system* is *thinking*? Much less thinking outside
the box?

Yes. You got a ****ing problem with that?

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 6/13/2019 3:58 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

People with a brain don't need to choose which rules to follow. They
have better things to occupy their minds with. You obviously don't.

Do you think grammar rules are like motoring rules?

Yes, they're both pointless.

For morons like you who think that only the laws of physics have to be
obeyed.

I know only the laws of physics have to be obeyed.* Do you stop at a red
light when you can see there's nothing coming?

Of course. It's the law. Don't you?



What about the message 'rule' that says to only quote a few lines insted
of the whole message.

There is no such rule.

I seldom look at messages that are a page or more
long and then have one or two sentences at the end.

Your choice entirely.

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 6/13/2019 8:44 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/6/19 5:53 am, GB wrote:
On 6/13/2019 11:50 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:34:39 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:42:07 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:25 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:24:48 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob
Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any
attention to
these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket
to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The
second
one
is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/








It's not about safety.* The electrician's union
owns more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you
referring to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?* They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of
people who
think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from?* Out of your rear end,
just
like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of
apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant.* Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Any unnecessary rules are OCD.

There are no unnecessary rules in grammar.* It is what it is.

"It is what it is" says it all - you're a robot that follow rules
without understanding.

What's there to understand?* The grammar is there, you learn it, end of
****ing story.

No, you use the rules that make sense.* Intelligent people know which
rules are sensible.* "Rules are for the obedience of fools and the
guidance of wise men".

Intelligent people know that the rules of grammar, which have evolved
over MANY years, are a given and are sensible.* If everyone started
making up their own grammar rules, you'd end up without a ****ing
language.

You really haven't studied the English language and literature to any
great depth, have you?

I really have. Have you?

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 6/13/2019 8:42 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/6/19 4:34 am, GB wrote:
On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:42:07 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:25 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:24:48 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any
attention to
these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket
to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The
second one
is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/







It's not about safety.* The electrician's union owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring
to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?* They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of
people who
think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from?* Out of your rear end,
just like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant.* Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Any unnecessary rules are OCD.

There are no unnecessary rules in grammar.* It is what it is.

"It is what it is" says it all - you're a robot that follow rules
without understanding.

What's there to understand?* The grammar is there, you learn it, end
of ****ing story.* Do you think grammar rules are like motoring rules?

Rules of English Grammar!

Rule # 1* Learn all the rules.
Rule # 2* Learn all the *exceptions* to the rules.

Such as?

Most other languages in the world have *consistent grammar rules*.
English, being a *******ised language, is a hodge podge of rules and
exceptions with zero consistency.

All languages are *******ised to some extent.

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 6/13/2019 3:55 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:01:17 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 1:36 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:50:47 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:36:19 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is
pretty
stupid don't you think?

Far from it.* If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was and has inherited criminal tendencies.* Same
****ing difference.

Why would you inherit criminal tendencies?

For the same reason you inherit other characteristics from your
parents.
It's called bad blood in the trade.

No no no, god gives you your characteristics doesn't he?* That's what
you morons believe.

Who told you that horse****?* God has nothing to do with what
characteristics you inherit.* Apart from original sin, of course.

Every moron like yourself that believes in god told me it.

No, they haven't. Cretins like you hear what you want to hear.

Or have you
guys changed your tune to suit the situation like you usually do.
You're just like those greenies.* Global warming suddenly becomes
climate change when they realise it might not be warmer but something
else.* Let's cover all the bases.* If anything changes about the
climate, we'll blame it on the CO2 emissions.* It never would have
changed by itself....

You're full of **** as always.

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.

No, you show yourself up as an idiot every time you post.* Aren't you
the one who was going on about god earlier?

We already know you're a complete moron, and to make it worse, you
don't
believe in God.

That's because I have the brains to know he isn't there.

You simply don't have the intelligence to think 'outside the box'.

You follow the rules, you think inside the box, I'm the one that thinks
for himself, outside the box.

You're only aware of what you can personally see, hear and smell.
That's hardly going outside the box. In fact, it's extremely limited.

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 6/13/2019 3:20 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 22:47:24 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 2:24 PM, ARW wrote:
On 12/06/2019 19:56, GB wrote:
On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The second one is
FAR more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/



It's not about safety.* The electrician's union owns more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union, not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?* They referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the apostrophes
in the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the union for all
electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people who think
plural's take apostrophe's.


So Plural and his mates have stolen apostrophe's apostrophe?

It's certainly beginning to look that way.

Talking of it's.* Explain to me, logically, not just "it's the rules",
why it's cannot be possessive.* John's car.* Fred's motorcycle.* The
tree's leaves.* It's doorhandle.

1. 'It' is a pronoun. The others are not. Using it's as the
possessive would be like using he's or him's instead of his.

2. For the intelligent and literate among us, it helps to identify the
stupid and illiterate.

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 6/13/2019 8:31 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/6/19 4:36 am, GB wrote:
On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:33:25 +0100, GB wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any attention
to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The second
one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/






It's not about safety.* The electrician's union owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you referring
to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?* They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of people
who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from?* Out of your rear end,
just like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant.* Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Corse it is

Of course it's not, you stupid ****ing illiterate convict.

Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is
pretty stupid don't you think?

Far from it.* If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was and has inherited criminal tendencies.* Same
****ing difference.

Could be he was descended from free settlers who migrated during the
convict era or later. My parents, for instance, migrated in 1950 to
Australia.

Unlikely, given his Usenet persona. There's definitely some bad convict
blood there.

Legalities of changing sockets and brakes in England?
 

On 14/6/19 8:48 pm, GB wrote:
On 6/13/2019 8:34 PM, Xeno wrote:
On 14/6/19 7:01 am, GB wrote:
On 6/13/2019 1:36 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:50:47 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 11:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:36:19 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:59 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:33:25 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/13/2019 10:03 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 2:49 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"GB" wrote in message
...
On 6/12/2019 1:47 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:44:21 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:39 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:27:24 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 12:43 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:56:15 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:47 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:36:59 +0100, GB

wrote:

On 6/12/2019 10:28 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:23:22 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Bob
Pringle
wrote:

On 6/12/2019 1:02 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
This is insane. Legally (like anyone pays any
attention
to these
laws) you
cannot do simple things like fitting an electrical
socket to your
own home,
but you can change the brakes on your car.* The
second
one is FAR
more
dangerous to other people!

https://www.mglondon.uk/blog/electri...n-electrician/








It's not about safety.* The electrician's union
owns
more
government
lawmakers
than the mechanic's union.

Which electrician and which mechanic are you
referring
to?

Did you read his post at all?* He referred to a
union,
not an
individual.

Did you not see where the apostrophes were at all?
They
referred
to an
individual's union in each case.

You make the assumption he's one of the few who puts
the
apostrophes in
the right place.

He's obviously not.

Most will write "electrician's union" to mean the
union for all electricians.

Only the illiterate would do that...the same sort of
people
who think
plural's take apostrophe's.

Go take your OCD medication, we're not interested.

Go take your illiteracy elsewhere, we're not interested.

Not my fault if you can't understand what everyone else
can.

Not my fault if I **** on illiterates.

FACT: 99% of people do not put apostrophes at the end.

Where did you pull this 'fact' from?* Out of your rear
end, just
like
all your other 'facts'?

Only a computer program requires precision placing of
apostrophes.
The rest of us knew perfectly well what was meant.* Grow up.

Getting ahead in the modern world requires literacy.

Bull**** it does with that OCD ****.

Correct grammar is not OCD, you stupid ****ing convict.

Corse it is

Of course it's not, you stupid ****ing illiterate convict.

Calling someone a convict who was most likely born over there is
pretty
stupid don't you think?

Far from it.* If he wasn't transported there himself, he's descended
from someone who was and has inherited criminal tendencies.* Same
****ing difference.

Why would you inherit criminal tendencies?

For the same reason you inherit other characteristics from your
parents.
It's called bad blood in the trade.

No no no, god gives you your characteristics doesn't he?* That's
what you morons believe.

Who told you that horse****?* God has nothing to do with what
characteristics you inherit.* Apart from original sin, of course.

I thought you thought of yourself as brighter than the rest?

I obviously am.

No, you show yourself up as an idiot every time you post.* Aren't you
the one who was going on about god earlier?

We already know you're a complete moron, and to make it worse, you
don't
believe in God.

That's because I have the brains to know he isn't there.

You simply don't have the intelligence to think 'outside the box'.

Trusting to a *belief system* is *thinking*? Much less thinking
outside the box?

Yes.* You got a ****ing problem with that?

I have a bridge to sell you.


--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)