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Electric jet engine motor?
Hi All,
An electric jet engine motor? https://www.foxnews.com/science/nasa...m-eco-disaster Huh? What am I missing? -T |
Electric jet engine motor?
On 5/17/2019 11:39 PM, T wrote:
Hi All, An electric jet engine motor? https://www.foxnews.com/science/nasa...m-eco-disaster Huh? What am I missing? -T It is mislabeled. Just a jet using hydrogen not to run an electric motor. Obvious problem with hydrogen is carrying enough fuel since it requires temperature only about 20 deg C above absolute zero. It is not eco free either as it has to come from electrolysis or petroleum which is the pollution source. |
Electric jet engine motor?
On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 8:54:33 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/17/2019 11:39 PM, T wrote: Hi All, An electric jet engine motor? https://www.foxnews.com/science/nasa...m-eco-disaster Huh? What am I missing? -T It is mislabeled. Just a jet using hydrogen not to run an electric motor. Obvious problem with hydrogen is carrying enough fuel since it requires temperature only about 20 deg C above absolute zero. It is not eco free either as it has to come from electrolysis or petroleum which is the pollution source. Wrong. Did you even read it or look at it? It clearly talks about fuel cells and shows them generating electric to run motors to power fans. It sure sounds very stupid because you would think you could just burn the hydrogen in some kind of jet engine directly instead and save a lot of weight too. |
Electric jet engine motor?
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Electric jet engine motor?
On 05/18/2019 09:51 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
I don't know what you get when burning hydrogen. Maybe or maybe not a harmful byproduct. The fuel cell will only produce water. Hydrogen dioxide, really nasty stuff... |
Electric jet engine motor?
On 5/18/2019 11:51 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says... Wrong. Did you even read it or look at it? It clearly talks about fuel cells and shows them generating electric to run motors to power fans. It sure sounds very stupid because you would think you could just burn the hydrogen in some kind of jet engine directly instead and save a lot of weight too. I don't know what you get when burning hydrogen. Maybe or maybe not a harmful byproduct. The fuel cell will only produce water. That may be the point of the artical. Hydrogen and oxygen could be produced by the water wheel electric generators, so no polution there. Probably just wild dreams. Maybe a good idea, but not practical at the present time. Just as Dick Tracey's 2 way wrist vidio phone. That is now possiable. Obviously when you burn hydrogen you get water and yes if your source of electrolysis is hydroelectric there is practically no pollution. But hydroelectric is maxed out and supplemented with atomic energy, coal and gas fired generators. Wind and solar is only practical is some areas. Burning hydrogen is somewhat more polluting than use in a fuel cell as byproducts like nitrogen oxides are avoided. I don't see a hyper-sonic plane driven by fans or propellers. Fuel cells can use other sources than hydrogen like lpg or methanol which are easier to transport. Our state of DE got bamboozled by Bloom Energy in subsidizing their fuel cells for generation of our electricity by natural gas. These cells are less efficient than turbines burning the gas and are not pollution free throughout their life cycle. |
Electric jet engine motor?
In Frank "frank writes:
Fuel cells can use other sources than hydrogen like lpg or methanol which are easier to transport. Our state of DE got bamboozled by Bloom Energy in subsidizing their fuel cells for generation of our electricity by natural gas. These cells are less efficient than turbines burning the gas and are not pollution free throughout their life cycle. Would you have pointers to some articles about that? I remember the puff piece on Sixty Minutes about five years ago where they claimed the Bloom Boxes were The Next Big Thing and how Google was buying them to power their facilities. Yeah, lots of Big PR Money there. Thanks -- __________________________________________________ ___ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] |
Electric jet engine motor?
On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 11:51:30 AM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says... Wrong. Did you even read it or look at it? It clearly talks about fuel cells and shows them generating electric to run motors to power fans. It sure sounds very stupid because you would think you could just burn the hydrogen in some kind of jet engine directly instead and save a lot of weight too. I don't know what you get when burning hydrogen. Maybe or maybe not a harmful byproduct. The fuel cell will only produce water. So will burning it. Which is why it's an ideal fuel. That may be the point of the artical. Hydrogen and oxygen could be produced by the water wheel electric generators, so no polution there. Probably just wild dreams. At the taxpayer's expense. Maybe a good idea, but not practical at the present time. Just as Dick Tracey's 2 way wrist vidio phone. That is now possiable. |
Electric jet engine motor?
On Saturday, May 18, 2019 at 12:48:23 PM UTC-4, danny burstein wrote:
In Frank "frank writes: Fuel cells can use other sources than hydrogen like lpg or methanol which are easier to transport. Our state of DE got bamboozled by Bloom Energy in subsidizing their fuel cells for generation of our electricity by natural gas. These cells are less efficient than turbines burning the gas and are not pollution free throughout their life cycle. Would you have pointers to some articles about that? I remember the puff piece on Sixty Minutes about five years ago where they claimed the Bloom Boxes were The Next Big Thing and how Google was buying them to power their facilities. Yeah, lots of Big PR Money there. Thanks I'd all but forgotten that big breakthrough that was portrayed on 60 Minutes. Very impressive piece, showing the ones that were deployed at some very big companies. That must be ten years ago. Haven't heard anything since and I don't hear of them being deployed, sounds like much ado about nothing. |
Electric jet engine motor?
On Sat, 18 May 2019 10:12:09 -0600, rbowman
wrote: On 05/18/2019 09:51 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: I don't know what you get when burning hydrogen. Maybe or maybe not a harmful byproduct. The fuel cell will only produce water. Hydrogen dioxide, really nasty stuff... Dihydrogen monoxide is really nasty stuff. It kills over 3500 people a year and 700 are children. |
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On 5/18/2019 1:47 PM, wrote:
Dihydrogen monoxide Very dangerous stuff: https://www.dhmo.org/facts.html I offered to edit this guys Material Safety Data sheet to bring it up to current GHS/ANSI standards but never heard from him. |
Electric jet engine motor?
On 5/18/2019 12:48 PM, danny burstein wrote:
Bloom Boxes There have been numerous articles in the local paper. This might be most recent: https://www.delawareonline.com/story...on/2481853002/ |
Electric jet engine motor?
"Frank" "frank wrote in message ... On 5/17/2019 11:39 PM, T wrote: Hi All, An electric jet engine motor? https://www.foxnews.com/science/nasa...m-eco-disaster Huh? What am I missing? It is mislabeled. Just a jet using hydrogen not to run an electric motor. Obvious problem with hydrogen is carrying enough fuel since it requires temperature only about 20 deg C above absolute zero. It is not eco free either as it has to come from electrolysis or petroleum No it doesnt, it can also be generated directly by nukes, without using electrolysis. And electrolysis using intermittent renewable energy like solar and wind is one way to help with the intermittency of those energy sources. which is the pollution source. Not with nukes and renewable power generation. |
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Electric jet engine motor?
On Sat, 18 May 2019 12:43:39 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:
On 5/18/2019 11:51 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Wrong. Did you even read it or look at it? It clearly talks about fuel cells and shows them generating electric to run motors to power fans. It sure sounds very stupid because you would think you could just burn the hydrogen in some kind of jet engine directly instead and save a lot of weight too. I don't know what you get when burning hydrogen. Maybe or maybe not a harmful byproduct. The fuel cell will only produce water. That may be the point of the artical. Hydrogen and oxygen could be produced by the water wheel electric generators, so no polution there. Probably just wild dreams. Maybe a good idea, but not practical at the present time. Just as Dick Tracey's 2 way wrist vidio phone. That is now possiable. Obviously when you burn hydrogen you get water and yes if your source of electrolysis is hydroelectric there is practically no pollution. But hydroelectric is maxed out and supplemented with atomic energy, coal and gas fired generators. Wind and solar is only practical is some areas. Burning hydrogen is somewhat more polluting than use in a fuel cell as byproducts like nitrogen oxides are avoided. I don't see a hyper-sonic plane driven by fans or propellers. Fuel cells can use other sources than hydrogen like lpg or methanol which are easier to transport. Our state of DE got bamboozled by Bloom Energy in subsidizing their fuel cells for generation of our electricity by natural gas. These cells are less efficient than turbines burning the gas and are not pollution free throughout their life cycle. You guys are above my head. I never understood why the Air Force made Algae jet fuel for F-16 jets. Back then it was ~$700.00 a gallon. It don't 'make no damn sense'. |
Electric jet engine motor?
On 5/18/19 5:54 AM, Frank wrote:
On 5/17/2019 11:39 PM, T wrote: Hi All, An electric jet engine motor? https://www.foxnews.com/science/nasa...m-eco-disaster Huh? What am I missing? -T It is mislabeled.Â* Just a jet using hydrogen not to run an electric motor.Â* Obvious problem with hydrogen is carrying enough fuel since it requires temperature only about 20 deg C above absolute zero.Â* It is not eco free either as it has to come from electrolysis or petroleum which is the pollution source. It sure sounded like they were using the hydrogen to create electricity which ran the engines. |
Electric jet engine motor?
On 5/18/2019 11:12 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/18/2019 09:51 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: I don't know what you get when burning hydrogen.* Maybe or maybe not a harmful byproduct.* The fuel cell will only produce water. Hydrogen dioxide, really nasty stuff... * Better check that molecule , I think what you meant was dihydrogen monoxide . -- Snag Yes , I'm old and crochety - and armed . Get outta my woods ! |
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Frank posted for all of us...
On 5/18/2019 12:48 PM, danny burstein wrote: Bloom Boxes There have been numerous articles in the local paper. This might be most recent: https://www.delawareonline.com/story...on/2481853002/ Typical when the govt gets involved. -- Tekkie |
Electric jet engine motor?
Oren posted for all of us...
On Sat, 18 May 2019 12:43:39 -0400, Frank "frank wrote: On 5/18/2019 11:51 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Wrong. Did you even read it or look at it? It clearly talks about fuel cells and shows them generating electric to run motors to power fans. It sure sounds very stupid because you would think you could just burn the hydrogen in some kind of jet engine directly instead and save a lot of weight too. I don't know what you get when burning hydrogen. Maybe or maybe not a harmful byproduct. The fuel cell will only produce water. That may be the point of the artical. Hydrogen and oxygen could be produced by the water wheel electric generators, so no polution there. Probably just wild dreams. Maybe a good idea, but not practical at the present time. Just as Dick Tracey's 2 way wrist vidio phone. That is now possiable. Obviously when you burn hydrogen you get water and yes if your source of electrolysis is hydroelectric there is practically no pollution. But hydroelectric is maxed out and supplemented with atomic energy, coal and gas fired generators. Wind and solar is only practical is some areas. Burning hydrogen is somewhat more polluting than use in a fuel cell as byproducts like nitrogen oxides are avoided. I don't see a hyper-sonic plane driven by fans or propellers. Fuel cells can use other sources than hydrogen like lpg or methanol which are easier to transport. Our state of DE got bamboozled by Bloom Energy in subsidizing their fuel cells for generation of our electricity by natural gas. These cells are less efficient than turbines burning the gas and are not pollution free throughout their life cycle. You guys are above my head. I never understood why the Air Force made Algae jet fuel for F-16 jets. Back then it was ~$700.00 a gallon. It don't 'make no damn sense'. Somebodies BIL had the contract. -- Tekkie |
Electric jet engine motor?
On 5/20/2019 4:50 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
Oren posted for all of us... I never understood why the Air Force made Algae jet fuel for F-16 jets. Back then it was ~$700.00 a gallon. It don't 'make no damn sense'. Somebodies BIL had the contract. It does not make sense at that cost, but sometimes they discover ways to make that formerly $700 item for less than a buck. |
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Electric jet engine motor?
On 5/20/2019 4:50 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
Frank posted for all of us... On 5/18/2019 12:48 PM, danny burstein wrote: Bloom Boxes There have been numerous articles in the local paper. This might be most recent: https://www.delawareonline.com/story...on/2481853002/ Typical when the govt gets involved. It appears nobody but the politicians want to keep them on. There is a surcharge of maybe five bucks a month on our electric bills, Bloom has not brought the jobs it promised to the state and there is that pollution problem. State also got hoodwinked on offshore windmill study that resulted in nothing and electric cars being manufactured at our old GM site. Bloom is at our old Chrysler plant site. Maybe both auto plants may have been retained but the state joined other states with carbon limits and effectively chased out a lot of heavy industry. Car paint lines are responsible for most of their plant emissions. Our only refinery was shut down and a friend in the EPA said our Dem Governor appeared gleeful. Then they discovered they chased out a lot of good jobs and the taxes that came with them and helped get the refinery reopened. |
Electric jet engine motor?
On Mon, 20 May 2019 19:01:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/20/2019 4:50 PM, Tekkie® wrote: Oren posted for all of us... I never understood why the Air Force made Algae jet fuel for F-16 jets. Back then it was ~$700.00 a gallon. It don't 'make no damn sense'. Somebodies BIL had the contract. It does not make sense at that cost, but sometimes they discover ways to make that formerly $700 item for less than a buck. But it cost many dollars to produe the Algae. Add phosfates to rivers, streames, lakes an ponds. Then refine it;) Seems moonshine would be easier for fuel. |
Electric jet engine motor?
On 05/20/2019 01:35 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 5/18/2019 11:12 AM, rbowman wrote: On 05/18/2019 09:51 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote: I don't know what you get when burning hydrogen. Maybe or maybe not a harmful byproduct. The fuel cell will only produce water. Hydrogen dioxide, really nasty stuff... Better check that molecule , I think what you meant was dihydrogen monoxide . No, I really meant the hydroperoxyl radical. Honest. It's the answer to AOC's pollutants. |
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