Submersible pump failed on my well. Plumber has worked on it in the
past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have
collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter
what he did, he could not pull it out. He had to cut off the top of the
pipe to hook to the house. We have water but water table is up and pump
surrounded with debris may not last long. Plumber would not take a
partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway. I should get water for
transition to new well in a week or so. Neighbor could supply me
through a hose but it freezes with low temperatures. I had supplied the
previous owner for a week a while back when they had the same problem
but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is
partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His
costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than the
plumber's. My previous neighbor recommended him after going through the
same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has
taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 3:58:54 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
Submersible pump failed on my well. Plumber has worked on it in the
past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have
collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter
what he did, he could not pull it out. He had to cut off the top of the
pipe to hook to the house. We have water but water table is up and pump
surrounded with debris may not last long. Plumber would not take a
partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway. I should get water for
transition to new well in a week or so. Neighbor could supply me
through a hose but it freezes with low temperatures. I had supplied the
previous owner for a week a while back when they had the same problem
but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is
partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His
costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than the
plumber's. My previous neighbor recommended him after going through the
same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has
taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.


Let me get this right. Your ****ty old well collapsed and you're trying to
blame the plumber, who you say did good work in the past? He didn't collapse
it by pulling and replacing a pump.

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:42:42 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 3:58:54 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
Submersible pump failed on my well. Plumber has worked on it in the
past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have
collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter
what he did, he could not pull it out. He had to cut off the top of the
pipe to hook to the house. We have water but water table is up and pump
surrounded with debris may not last long. Plumber would not take a
partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway. I should get water for
transition to new well in a week or so. Neighbor could supply me
through a hose but it freezes with low temperatures. I had supplied the
previous owner for a week a while back when they had the same problem
but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is
partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His
costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than the
plumber's. My previous neighbor recommended him after going through the
same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has
taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.


Let me get this right. Your ****ty old well collapsed and you're trying to
blame the plumber, who you say did good work in the past? He didn't collapse
it by pulling and replacing a pump.


No he is trying to say the plumber is more expensive and still might
be able to fix your problem.
If you have a well problem, call a well company.

On 1/24/2019 10:02 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:42:42 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 3:58:54 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
Submersible pump failed on my well. Plumber has worked on it in the
past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have
collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter
what he did, he could not pull it out. He had to cut off the top of the
pipe to hook to the house. We have water but water table is up and pump
surrounded with debris may not last long. Plumber would not take a
partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway. I should get water for
transition to new well in a week or so. Neighbor could supply me
through a hose but it freezes with low temperatures. I had supplied the
previous owner for a week a while back when they had the same problem
but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is
partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His
costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than the
plumber's. My previous neighbor recommended him after going through the
same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has
taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.


Let me get this right. Your ****ty old well collapsed and you're trying to
blame the plumber, who you say did good work in the past? He didn't collapse
it by pulling and replacing a pump.


No he is trying to say the plumber is more expensive and still might
be able to fix your problem.
If you have a well problem, call a well company.


You are correct and as usual our resident traitor is befuddled.

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 10:02:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:42:42 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 3:58:54 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
Submersible pump failed on my well. Plumber has worked on it in the
past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have
collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter
what he did, he could not pull it out. He had to cut off the top of the
pipe to hook to the house. We have water but water table is up and pump
surrounded with debris may not last long. Plumber would not take a
partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway. I should get water for
transition to new well in a week or so. Neighbor could supply me
through a hose but it freezes with low temperatures. I had supplied the
previous owner for a week a while back when they had the same problem
but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is
partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His
costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than the
plumber's. My previous neighbor recommended him after going through the
same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has
taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.


Let me get this right. Your ****ty old well collapsed and you're trying to
blame the plumber, who you say did good work in the past? He didn't collapse
it by pulling and replacing a pump.


No he is trying to say the plumber is more expensive and still might
be able to fix your problem.
If you have a well problem, call a well company.

And the result would not have been the same, anyway? A well company is
going to eat the cost?

"He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have
collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter
what he did, he could not pull it out. Plumber would not take a
partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway. My plumber who did good
work in the past and will now be history"


What did the plumber do that was wrong and why should he take a hit on
the bill for what he did, given that Frank's ****ty old well collapsed?
IDK what they do where Frank lives, but here, the casing goes the depth
of the well. I've had a well that was 180 ft deep with a casing all the
way. Perhaps they have good wells that cost more and ****ty wells for
cheapskates?

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 07:55:49 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 10:02:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:42:42 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 3:58:54 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
Submersible pump failed on my well. Plumber has worked on it in the
past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have
collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter
what he did, he could not pull it out. He had to cut off the top of the
pipe to hook to the house. We have water but water table is up and pump
surrounded with debris may not last long. Plumber would not take a
partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway. I should get water for
transition to new well in a week or so. Neighbor could supply me
through a hose but it freezes with low temperatures. I had supplied the
previous owner for a week a while back when they had the same problem
but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is
partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His
costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than the
plumber's. My previous neighbor recommended him after going through the
same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has
taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.


Let me get this right. Your ****ty old well collapsed and you're trying to
blame the plumber, who you say did good work in the past? He didn't collapse
it by pulling and replacing a pump.


No he is trying to say the plumber is more expensive and still might
be able to fix your problem.
If you have a well problem, call a well company.

And the result would not have been the same, anyway? A well company is
going to eat the cost?

"He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have
collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter
what he did, he could not pull it out. Plumber would not take a
partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway. My plumber who did good
work in the past and will now be history"


What did the plumber do that was wrong and why should he take a hit on
the bill for what he did, given that Frank's ****ty old well collapsed?
IDK what they do where Frank lives, but here, the casing goes the depth
of the well. I've had a well that was 180 ft deep with a casing all the
way. Perhaps they have good wells that cost more and ****ty wells for
cheapskates?

The well company would have diagnosed the problem faster (less labor)
and they might have given him a break on that call because he was
drilling a well. They get a better price on pumps because they buy in
bulk..

On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 11:49:14 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 07:55:49 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 10:02:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:42:42 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, January 24, 2019 at 3:58:54 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
Submersible pump failed on my well. Plumber has worked on it in the
past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have
collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter
what he did, he could not pull it out. He had to cut off the top of the
pipe to hook to the house. We have water but water table is up and pump
surrounded with debris may not last long. Plumber would not take a
partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway. I should get water for
transition to new well in a week or so. Neighbor could supply me
through a hose but it freezes with low temperatures. I had supplied the
previous owner for a week a while back when they had the same problem
but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is
partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His
costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than the
plumber's. My previous neighbor recommended him after going through the
same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has
taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.


Let me get this right. Your ****ty old well collapsed and you're trying to
blame the plumber, who you say did good work in the past? He didn't collapse
it by pulling and replacing a pump.


No he is trying to say the plumber is more expensive and still might
be able to fix your problem.
If you have a well problem, call a well company.

And the result would not have been the same, anyway? A well company is
going to eat the cost?

"He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have
collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter
what he did, he could not pull it out. Plumber would not take a
partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway. My plumber who did good
work in the past and will now be history"


What did the plumber do that was wrong and why should he take a hit on
the bill for what he did, given that Frank's ****ty old well collapsed?
IDK what they do where Frank lives, but here, the casing goes the depth
of the well. I've had a well that was 180 ft deep with a casing all the
way. Perhaps they have good wells that cost more and ****ty wells for
cheapskates?

The well company would have diagnosed the problem faster (less labor)
and they might have given him a break on that call because he was
drilling a well. They get a better price on pumps because they buy in
bulk..

It's pure speculation. We have no info as to how much experience that
plumber has with wells and pumps, what discounts he gets on materials.
A collapsed well is still a collapsed well and the plumber didn't do it.
Yes, maybe a well driller might have given him a break. It's also
possible that he could have chosen a well company that said, it's
$6K for a new well, we'll forget about the existing $500 bill for the
work we;ve done. And he might find another well company that will drill
it for $5500 or less anyway. But the bottom line here is that despite
what you claim, Frank is clearly ****ed at the plumber, who did nothing
wrong, as evidenced by:

"My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has
taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well."

He's like Trump, always blame someone else.

On 1/24/2019 3:58 PM, Frank wrote:
Submersible pump failed on my well.Â* Plumber has worked on it in the past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter what he did, he could not pull it out.Â* He had to cut off the top of the pipe to hook to the house.Â* We have
water but water table is up and pump surrounded with debris may not last long.Â* Plumber would not take a partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway.Â* I should get water for transition to new well in a week or so.Â* Neighbor could supply me through a
hose but it freezes with low temperatures.Â* I had supplied the previous owner for a week a while back when they had the same problem but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than the plumber's.Â* My previous neighbor recommended
him after going through the same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.


Just curious but how/why did the well collapse?Â* Generally wells are entirely encased in PVC with a slotted bottom section that allows the water to flow in but prevents collapse.Â* Did the slotted PVC section fail?

On 1/25/2019 8:47 AM, not my real pseudonym wrote:
On 1/24/2019 3:58 PM, Frank wrote:
Submersible pump failed on my well.Â* Plumber has worked on it in the
past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must
have collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no
matter what he did, he could not pull it out.Â* He had to cut off the
top of the pipe to hook to the house.Â* We have water but water table
is up and pump surrounded with debris may not last long.Â* Plumber
would not take a partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway.Â* I
should get water for transition to new well in a week or so.Â* Neighbor
could supply me through a hose but it freezes with low temperatures.
I had supplied the previous owner for a week a while back when they
had the same problem but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is
partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His
costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than
the plumber's.Â* My previous neighbor recommended him after going
through the same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has
taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.


Just curious but how/why did the well collapse?Â* Generally wells are
entirely encased in PVC with a slotted bottom section that allows the
water to flow in but prevents collapse.Â* Did the slotted PVC section fail?

They only case so far and this was below the casing which I believe only
goes down about 50 feet. The well was about 125 feet deep. Casing
probably depends on the strata which is rock here but downstate near the
coast is sand.

My pump was at about 119 feet and is not stuck at about 89 feet. It is
in water and we are still getting water but now bogged down in the
porous rock, it will not last long.

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 09:02:14 -0500, Frank "frank wrote:

On 1/25/2019 8:47 AM, not my real pseudonym wrote:
On 1/24/2019 3:58 PM, Frank wrote:
Submersible pump failed on my well.Â* Plumber has worked on it in the
past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must
have collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no
matter what he did, he could not pull it out.Â* He had to cut off the
top of the pipe to hook to the house.Â* We have water but water table
is up and pump surrounded with debris may not last long.Â* Plumber
would not take a partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway.Â* I
should get water for transition to new well in a week or so.Â* Neighbor
could supply me through a hose but it freezes with low temperatures.
I had supplied the previous owner for a week a while back when they
had the same problem but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is
partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His
costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than
the plumber's.Â* My previous neighbor recommended him after going
through the same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has
taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.


Just curious but how/why did the well collapse?Â* Generally wells are
entirely encased in PVC with a slotted bottom section that allows the
water to flow in but prevents collapse.Â* Did the slotted PVC section fail?

They only case so far and this was below the casing which I believe only
goes down about 50 feet. The well was about 125 feet deep. Casing
probably depends on the strata which is rock here but downstate near the
coast is sand.

My pump was at about 119 feet and is not stuck at about 89 feet. It is
in water and we are still getting water but now bogged down in the
porous rock, it will not last long.

That is unusual. Our well casings go all the way to the aquifer, at
least past the last layer of rock that is sequestering the water.

If you lose a pump, it is gone. Typically the well is 200' and the
pump is somewhere in between. Mine is at 60'. What can happen is the
water table drops below the pump., the pump overheats, the threads
soften and the pump pull off the pipe. If you are lucky, the wires
hold it. The best practice is to tie a nylon rope to the pump and run
it with the wiring.

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 08:47:22 -0500, not my real pseudonym
wrote:

On 1/24/2019 3:58 PM, Frank wrote:
Submersible pump failed on my well.* Plumber has worked on it in the past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter what he did, he could not pull it out.* He had to cut off the top of the pipe to hook to the house.* We have
water but water table is up and pump surrounded with debris may not last long.* Plumber would not take a partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway.* I should get water for transition to new well in a week or so.* Neighbor could supply me through a
hose but it freezes with low temperatures.* I had supplied the previous owner for a week a while back when they had the same problem but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than the plumber's.* My previous neighbor recommended
him after going through the same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.


Just curious but how/why did the well collapse?* Generally wells are entirely encased in PVC with a slotted bottom section that allows the water to flow in but prevents collapse.* Did the slotted PVC section fail?
Perhaps an older well with a steel or transite casing?

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 12:48:07 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 08:47:22 -0500, not my real pseudonym
wrote:

On 1/24/2019 3:58 PM, Frank wrote:
Submersible pump failed on my well.Â* Plumber has worked on it in the past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter what he did, he could not pull it out.Â* He had to cut off the top of the pipe to hook to the house.Â* We have
water but water table is up and pump surrounded with debris may not last long.Â* Plumber would not take a partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway.Â* I should get water for transition to new well in a week or so.Â* Neighbor could supply me through a
hose but it freezes with low temperatures.Â* I had supplied the previous owner for a week a while back when they had the same problem but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than the plumber's.Â* My previous neighbor recommended
him after going through the same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.


Just curious but how/why did the well collapse?Â* Generally wells are entirely encased in PVC with a slotted bottom section that allows the water to flow in but prevents collapse.Â* Did the slotted PVC section fail?
Perhaps an older well with a steel or transite casing?

That is what I was thinking.
In real life it doesn't even have to "Collapse" just get enough rust
on it that the new pump won't go down.
I suppose you could drop a camera down there these days and give it a
look.
You might be able to knock enough crud out to buy some time but he is
still looking at a new well soon if the casing is compromised.

On 1/25/2019 4:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 12:48:07 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 08:47:22 -0500, not my real pseudonym
wrote:

On 1/24/2019 3:58 PM, Frank wrote:
Submersible pump failed on my well.Â* Plumber has worked on it in the past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter what he did, he could not pull it out.Â* He had to cut off the top of the pipe to hook to the house.Â* We have
water but water table is up and pump surrounded with debris may not last long.Â* Plumber would not take a partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway.Â* I should get water for transition to new well in a week or so.Â* Neighbor could supply me through a
hose but it freezes with low temperatures.Â* I had supplied the previous owner for a week a while back when they had the same problem but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than the plumber's.Â* My previous neighbor recommended
him after going through the same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.


Just curious but how/why did the well collapse?Â* Generally wells are entirely encased in PVC with a slotted bottom section that allows the water to flow in but prevents collapse.Â* Did the slotted PVC section fail?
Perhaps an older well with a steel or transite casing?

That is what I was thinking.
In real life it doesn't even have to "Collapse" just get enough rust
on it that the new pump won't go down.
I suppose you could drop a camera down there these days and give it a
look.
You might be able to knock enough crud out to buy some time but he is
still looking at a new well soon if the casing is compromised.


As mentioned, I have contracted with a well digger. First he needs to
get a permit. He says he works in any weather but I pointed out that I
had pictures of 2 ft of snow on the ground on this date. We do have
water for now from the old well. There is water where the pump is and
when we moved in we were told we had 15 gal per minute recovery rate. I
was surprised when neighbors went dry a couple of years ago as his well
head is less than 200 ft from mine and the well digger only dug the new
one about 20 ft away.

On 1/24/2019 3:58 PM, Frank wrote:
Submersible pump failed on my well.Â* Plumber has worked on it in the past and installed new pump and pressure tank over 10 years ago.

He pulled the pump, put a new one on to discover that the well must have collapsed as it would only go to 3/4 previous depth. Then no matter what he did, he could not pull it out.Â* He had to cut off the top of the pipe to hook to the house.Â* We have
water but water table is up and pump surrounded with debris may not last long.Â* Plumber would not take a partial hit on his bill but I paid him anyway.Â* I should get water for transition to new well in a week or so.Â* Neighbor could supply me through a
hose but it freezes with low temperatures.Â* I had supplied the previous owner for a week a while back when they had the same problem but weather was nice.

Just hired a well digger to put in a new well since the old one is partially collapsed and new one will be needed sooner or later. His costs are also less for a new pump, plumbing and pressure tank than the plumber's.Â* My previous neighbor recommended
him after going through the same process.

My plumber who did good work in the past and will now be history has taught me the lesson of not getting a plumber to work on your well.


Changing out a submersible well pump hung at 100'Â* is an easy DIY job...until something goes wrong.Â* At that point you probably need a $500,000 drill rig and miscellaneous support equipment.