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What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
Car is just bought by a kid just learning to drive (he's 16).
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer ES Neighbors asked me what their options are for getting duplicate fobs. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7287633keyfob.jpg It came with only one key and one "remote" (see photo above). (I made a half-dozen keys for the kid so the question is about the remote.) Anyone know what options there are for getting duplicate remotes? |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 8/1/2018 11:41 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
Car is just bought by a kid just learning to drive (he's 16). 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer ES Neighbors asked me what their options are for getting duplicate fobs. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7287633keyfob.jpg It came with only one key and one "remote" (see photo above). (I made a half-dozen keys for the kid so the question is about the remote.) Anyone know what options there are for getting duplicate remotes? You can buy fobs off eBay but you usually have to have it programmed by a dealer. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 8/1/18 11:41 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
Car is just bought by a kid just learning to drive (he's 16). 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer ES Neighbors asked me what their options are for getting duplicate fobs. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7287633keyfob.jpg It came with only one key and one "remote" (see photo above). (I made a half-dozen keys for the kid so the question is about the remote.) Anyone know what options there are for getting duplicate remotes? Here is one: http://www.keylessride.com/ |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 1 Aug 2018 20:57:28 GMT, "Retired wrote:
Car is just bought by a kid just learning to drive (he's 16). 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer ES Neighbors asked me what their options are for getting duplicate fobs. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7287633keyfob.jpg It came with only one key and one "remote" (see photo above). (I made a half-dozen keys for the kid so the question is about the remote.) Anyone know what options there are for getting duplicate remotes? Here is one: http://www.keylessride.com/ That's VERY NICE and useful! Do we have TWO choices as shown here? http://www.keylessride.com/order/chooseremote.asp?make=Mitsubishi&remoteyear=2004&m odel=Lancer Certainly the original http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7287633keyfob.jpg Looks like the second one here... http://www.keylessride.com/order/quo...&frid=47286EA4 $105 remote plus programming PROGRAMMING Price INCLUDES programming instructions and all required programming tools for training the vehicle to recognize the remote. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 1 Aug 2018 20:52:48 GMT, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
You can buy fobs off eBay but you usually have to have it programmed by a dealer. Do you know which number on the back is the "definitive" number for the correct fob? http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7287633keyfob.jpg - FCC? - Canada? - Japanese? - Omron? |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 02/08/2018 04:57, wrote:
On 8/1/18 11:41 PM, Arlen Holder wrote: Car is just bought by a kid just learning to drive (he's 16). 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer ES Neighbors asked me what their options are for getting duplicate fobs. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7287633keyfob.jpg It came with only one key and one "remote" (see photo above). (I made a half-dozen keys for the kid so the question is about the remote.) Anyone know what options there are for getting duplicate remotes? Here is one: http://www.keylessride.com/ Hmm! interesting. -- Bod |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote: On 1 Aug 2018 20:57:28 GMT, "Retired wrote: Car is just bought by a kid just learning to drive (he's 16). 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer ES Neighbors asked me what their options are for getting duplicate fobs. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7287633keyfob.jpg It came with only one key and one "remote" (see photo above). (I made a half-dozen keys for the kid so the question is about the remote.) Anyone know what options there are for getting duplicate remotes? Here is one: http://www.keylessride.com/ That's VERY NICE and useful! Do we have TWO choices as shown here? http://www.keylessride.com/order/chooseremote.asp?make=Mitsubishi&remoteyear=2004&m odel=Lancer Certainly the original http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7287633keyfob.jpg Looks like the second one here... http://www.keylessride.com/order/quo...&frid=47286EA4 $105 remote plus programming PROGRAMMING Price INCLUDES programming instructions and all required programming tools for training the vehicle to recognize the remote. IOf you have 2, you can add 3rd and 4th etc very easily. With only one I THINK it is a bit more difficult. Try this::: https://northcoastkeyless.com/2004-m...-instructions/ When you are done your neighbor will think you are a genius!!!! |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:36:27 -0000 (UTC), Arlen
Holder wrote: On 1 Aug 2018 20:57:28 GMT, "Retired wrote: Car is just bought by a kid just learning to drive (he's 16). 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer ES Neighbors asked me what their options are for getting duplicate fobs. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7287633keyfob.jpg It came with only one key and one "remote" (see photo above). (I made a half-dozen keys for the kid so the question is about the remote.) Anyone know what options there are for getting duplicate remotes? Here is one: http://www.keylessride.com/ That's VERY NICE and useful! Do we have TWO choices as shown here? http://www.keylessride.com/order/chooseremote.asp?make=Mitsubishi&remoteyear=2004&m odel=Lancer Certainly the original http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7287633keyfob.jpg Looks like the second one here... http://www.keylessride.com/order/quo...&frid=47286EA4 $105 remote plus programming PROGRAMMING Price INCLUDES programming instructions and all required programming tools for training the vehicle to recognize the remote. You don't have to spend anywhere near this for most cars. I programmed fobs for Chrysler and Toyota last summer, and each fob was about $10. Insturctions are online for free. You don't need a number off the back. Go to an ebay page (or maybe it was Amazon) and find someone who sells fobs and put in the year, make, adn model of the car and it will tell you if he has the fob to fit it. I got keys the same way, for even less money. And it's not just those two makes. Just about all of them |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 3 Aug 2018 00:57:29 GMT, micky wrote:
You don't have to spend anywhere near this for most cars. I programmed fobs for Chrysler and Toyota last summer, and each fob was about $10. Insturctions are online for free. You don't need a number off the back. Go to an ebay page (or maybe it was Amazon) and find someone who sells fobs and put in the year, make, adn model of the car and it will tell you if he has the fob to fit it. I got keys the same way, for even less money. And it's not just those two makes. Just about all of them Thanks for this input, where I've been concentrating on the oxygen sensor thread (for obvious reasons of triage) but where this information is useful. One question. How do they prevent theft? That is, what proof do you normally give them that it's YOUR car? NOTE: I'm not trying to steal a car ... I'm just trying to understand the process. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 2 Aug 2018 14:23:21 GMT, Clare Snyder wrote:
IOf you have 2, you can add 3rd and 4th etc very easily. With only one I THINK it is a bit more difficult. Try this::: https://northcoastkeyless.com/2004-m...-instructions/ When you are done your neighbor will think you are a genius!!!! Wow Clare ... you are the genius! If those instructions are legit, it sure seems that we can buy a handful of remotes and just program them all together at the same time. Here's my summary of that document: 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Keyless Entry Remote Fob Programming Instructions https://northcoastkeyless.com/2004-mitsubishi-lancer-keyless-entry-remote-fob-programming-instructions/ "Many people donąt know that they can purchase their own replacement vehicle entry remote, save up to 70% off of marked up Dealership prices, and program the replacement remote to their vehicle themselves." First, verify this is on the back of the remote: * FCC ID: OUCG8D-525M-A * Factory Part No.: MR587983 I just looked at the original pictures where the FCC ID matches perfectly, but that "Factory Part Number" doesn't exist on the current fob (maybe it's already an aftermarket fob?). 1. Insert key into the Ignition and leave it in the OFF position. 2. JUMP OBDII Ports 1 and 4 with a suitable jumper wire. 3. Within ten (10) seconds, PRESS the Hazard Light Switch six (6) times. 4. The door locks will cycle once indicating entry to Programming Mode. On the first remote to be programmed... 5. PRESS the LOCK Button three (3) times within ten (10) seconds. 6. Door locks will cycle once indicating successful programming 7. For all other remotes, individually repeat step 5 within one (1) minute. 8. REMOVE the jumper wire connected to the Data Link Port. 9. Programming is now complete. 10. Test all remotes. Sometimes such things are like an "rm -r *" command, so I hope it's legit, but if it is, it seems all I have to do for them is figure out if the missing "Factory Part Number" is critical and where best to buy a handful of these remotes! |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 8/3/2018 4:42 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
How do they prevent theft? That is, what proof do you normally give them that it's YOUR car? NOTE: I'm not trying to steal a car ... I'm just trying to understand the process. Most cases require you to bring one of the original fobs to get the new one programmed. Dealer may have you listed as the owner and that would suffice. My boss went to Europe. His wife took his car and locked the keys inside and the dealer was 50 miles away. I had to give the dealer the VIN and have a local locksmith vouch for me since he knew the both of us and did work for the company. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 3 Aug 2018 06:06:23 GMT, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Most cases require you to bring one of the original fobs to get the new one programmed. Dealer may have you listed as the owner and that would suffice. My boss went to Europe. His wife took his car and locked the keys inside and the dealer was 50 miles away. I had to give the dealer the VIN and have a local locksmith vouch for me since he knew the both of us and did work for the company. Thanks. I'm not trying to steal a car, but it seems, from Clare's nice instructions, that all you need to do is buy the fob and get a hold of one of the other fobs, and you can make keys. Of course, all the fobs will be no good, so if you did it without the knowledge of the owner, the owner's own key fobs would stop working. But, according to what Clare sent, you don't need anything but the fob and the car and that's it. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 3 Aug 2018 08:42:12 -0000 (UTC), Arlen
Holder wrote: On 3 Aug 2018 00:57:29 GMT, micky wrote: You don't have to spend anywhere near this for most cars. I programmed fobs for Chrysler and Toyota last summer, and each fob was about $10. Insturctions are online for free. You don't need a number off the back. Go to an ebay page (or maybe it was Amazon) and find someone who sells fobs and put in the year, make, adn model of the car and it will tell you if he has the fob to fit it. I got keys the same way, for even less money. And it's not just those two makes. Just about all of them Thanks for this input, where I've been concentrating on the oxygen sensor I havent' seen that thread, but I may have problems with my o2 sensor also. I forget the codes I have but they both point to the o2 sensor. Yet I get 30MPH on he highway and 26 in town, and it doesnt' overheat, so I'm thinking there is no big rush to fix it. It does stumble a bit when I'm stopped and start up again, unless I"m perfect with the gas pedal. thread (for obvious reasons of triage) but where this information is useful. One question. How do they prevent theft? The 02 sensor won't admit oxygen unless you have proof you own the car. That is, what proof do you normally give them that it's YOUR car? NOTE: I'm not trying to steal a car ... I'm just trying to understand the process. For the key and the fob, online they will sell to anyone. It's sort of like guns. But you need to have one or 2 fobs to make anotehr and 1 or 2 keys to make another key. I forget which it is but it's 1 for one and 2 for the other. Whatever Clare said. So if you don't have that, I think you have to go to a locksmith (who is still probalby cheaper than the dealer, though iirc not every locksmith can do this.) My used cars both came with 2 keys and 2 fobs, or more, and because I knew I'd have trouble making more if I got down to one fob (or key, I forget) I made a bunch more. I have 4 of each now, I think. Even though I've only lost one key in 50+ years and that was a house key I dropped into my car's trunk. I was out of town, getting home late, had to call a friend and have him leave my house key outside my house. And another time was tubing and changed clothes and had left the key in the trunk. Had to ask some poor girl who probalby thought I really liked her to take me home 10 miles and back to the car. That will teach her to be talking to me when I see that the key is locked in. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 3 Aug 2018 08:56:02 -0000 (UTC), Arlen
Holder wrote: On 2 Aug 2018 14:23:21 GMT, Clare Snyder wrote: IOf you have 2, you can add 3rd and 4th etc very easily. With only one I THINK it is a bit more difficult. Try this::: https://northcoastkeyless.com/2004-m...-instructions/ When you are done your neighbor will think you are a genius!!!! Wow Clare ... you are the genius! If those instructions are legit, it sure seems that we can buy a handful of remotes and just program them all together at the same time. It used to be that when you did this, you had to reprogram the keys or fobs (I forget which) that you already had, which were working, at the same time you did a new one. (and I was afraid I'd mess them all up.) but with my 2004 Chrysler and 2005 Toyota, I dont' think that was true. Just follow the directions to the letter. It might help to have someone read you the instructions while you do it. At least for me, on the first couple tries, I can't remember more than one step at a time, and the time it took for reading even though I thought I turned the key on and off, or the lock button up and down, the right number fo times, it took 4 or 5 tries to get it right. but that was the first one. After that I got much better. Here's my summary of that document: 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Keyless Entry Remote Fob Programming Instructions https://northcoastkeyless.com/2004-mitsubishi-lancer-keyless-entry-remote-fob-programming-instructions/ "Many people donąt know that they can purchase their own replacement vehicle entry remote, save up to 70% off of marked up Dealership prices, and program the replacement remote to their vehicle themselves." First, verify this is on the back of the remote: * FCC ID: OUCG8D-525M-A * Factory Part No.: MR587983 I just looked at the original pictures where the FCC ID matches perfectly, but that "Factory Part Number" doesn't exist on the current fob (maybe it's already an aftermarket fob?). 1. Insert key into the Ignition and leave it in the OFF position. 2. JUMP OBDII Ports 1 and 4 with a suitable jumper wire. 3. Within ten (10) seconds, PRESS the Hazard Light Switch six (6) times. 4. The door locks will cycle once indicating entry to Programming Mode. On the first remote to be programmed... 5. PRESS the LOCK Button three (3) times within ten (10) seconds. 6. Door locks will cycle once indicating successful programming 7. For all other remotes, individually repeat step 5 within one (1) minute. 8. REMOVE the jumper wire connected to the Data Link Port. 9. Programming is now complete. 10. Test all remotes. Sometimes such things are like an "rm -r *" command, so I hope it's legit, but if it is, it seems all I have to do for them is figure out if the missing "Factory Part Number" is critical and where best to buy a handful of these remotes! |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 3 Aug 2018 16:00:03 GMT, micky wrote:
Thanks for this input, where I've been concentrating on the oxygen sensor I havent' seen that thread, but I may have problems with my o2 sensor also. I forget the codes I have but they both point to the o2 sensor. This is the thread... Advice for stripped threads upstream oxygen sensor exhaust manifold https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/mIcLF2bSnU8 Yet I get 30MPH on he highway and 26 in town, and it doesnt' overheat, so I'm thinking there is no big rush to fix it. It does stumble a bit when I'm stopped and start up again, unless I"m perfect with the gas pedal. AFAIK, oxygen sensors generally get replaced when they fail, and that usually precipitates one of two clues: a. You get a related oxygen sensor code, or, b. You can't set a related readiness monitor. Usually, AFAIK, it's the upstream sensor. You can test them, but, you can't really test them (it's one of those things you just replace). For the key and the fob, online they will sell to anyone. It's sort of like guns. But you need to have one or 2 fobs to make anotehr and 1 or 2 keys to make another key. I forget which it is but it's 1 for one and 2 for the other. Whatever Clare said. Yeah. What Clare said was a. Gather all the fobs you can (in this case, that's one). b. Program the handful you have c. That negates the ones you don't have Who knew it was that easy. Now all I have to do is buy the fobs. My first concern, since the trunk doesn't open with the key, is to buy the fob that has a trunk button on it, if that will work and try it out. I wonder if fobs can be programmed more than once? |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 19:06:03 -0400, micky
wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 3 Aug 2018 08:56:02 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote: On 2 Aug 2018 14:23:21 GMT, Clare Snyder wrote: IOf you have 2, you can add 3rd and 4th etc very easily. With only one I THINK it is a bit more difficult. Try this::: https://northcoastkeyless.com/2004-m...-instructions/ When you are done your neighbor will think you are a genius!!!! Wow Clare ... you are the genius! If those instructions are legit, it sure seems that we can buy a handful of remotes and just program them all together at the same time. It used to be that when you did this, you had to reprogram the keys or fobs (I forget which) that you already had, which were working, at the same time you did a new one. (and I was afraid I'd mess them all up.) but with my 2004 Chrysler and 2005 Toyota, I dont' think that was true. \ On the mitsu it is true. Says right in the documentation. When you go ito "programmode" it erases ALL existing remotes. Just follow the directions to the letter. It might help to have someone read you the instructions while you do it. At least for me, on the first couple tries, I can't remember more than one step at a time, and the time it took for reading even though I thought I turned the key on and off, or the lock button up and down, the right number fo times, it took 4 or 5 tries to get it right. but that was the first one. After that I got much better. Here's my summary of that document: 2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Keyless Entry Remote Fob Programming Instructions https://northcoastkeyless.com/2004-mitsubishi-lancer-keyless-entry-remote-fob-programming-instructions/ "Many people donąt know that they can purchase their own replacement vehicle entry remote, save up to 70% off of marked up Dealership prices, and program the replacement remote to their vehicle themselves." First, verify this is on the back of the remote: * FCC ID: OUCG8D-525M-A * Factory Part No.: MR587983 I just looked at the original pictures where the FCC ID matches perfectly, but that "Factory Part Number" doesn't exist on the current fob (maybe it's already an aftermarket fob?). 1. Insert key into the Ignition and leave it in the OFF position. 2. JUMP OBDII Ports 1 and 4 with a suitable jumper wire. 3. Within ten (10) seconds, PRESS the Hazard Light Switch six (6) times. 4. The door locks will cycle once indicating entry to Programming Mode. On the first remote to be programmed... 5. PRESS the LOCK Button three (3) times within ten (10) seconds. 6. Door locks will cycle once indicating successful programming 7. For all other remotes, individually repeat step 5 within one (1) minute. 8. REMOVE the jumper wire connected to the Data Link Port. 9. Programming is now complete. 10. Test all remotes. Sometimes such things are like an "rm -r *" command, so I hope it's legit, but if it is, it seems all I have to do for them is figure out if the missing "Factory Part Number" is critical and where best to buy a handful of these remotes! |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 08:42:12 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote: On 3 Aug 2018 00:57:29 GMT, micky wrote: You don't have to spend anywhere near this for most cars. I programmed fobs for Chrysler and Toyota last summer, and each fob was about $10. Insturctions are online for free. You don't need a number off the back. Go to an ebay page (or maybe it was Amazon) and find someone who sells fobs and put in the year, make, adn model of the car and it will tell you if he has the fob to fit it. I got keys the same way, for even less money. And it's not just those two makes. Just about all of them Thanks for this input, where I've been concentrating on the oxygen sensor thread (for obvious reasons of triage) but where this information is useful. One question. How do they prevent theft? That is, what proof do you normally give them that it's YOUR car? NOTE: I'm not trying to steal a car ... I'm just trying to understand the process. You need the car unlocked and the key in the ignition to program the remotes - which doNOT unlock the steering column or allow you to drive the car without the (usually chipped) key. The remote doesn't care who owns the car - or even who has the remote. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 09:06:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/3/2018 4:42 AM, Arlen Holder wrote: How do they prevent theft? That is, what proof do you normally give them that it's YOUR car? NOTE: I'm not trying to steal a car ... I'm just trying to understand the process. Most cases require you to bring one of the original fobs to get the new one programmed. Dealer may have you listed as the owner and that would suffice. My boss went to Europe. His wife took his car and locked the keys inside and the dealer was 50 miles away. I had to give the dealer the VIN and have a local locksmith vouch for me since he knew the both of us and did work for the company. The "fob" is nopt programmed. It is added to the programming of the BCM of the car. You "train" the BCM - you don't "program" the fob. With some Imobilizer keys you DO need to program the chip on the key. On others you can train the ECM to accept the code in the key. In MANY cases "programming" the key is actually "cloning" the key - and if you have a car that has "memory seats" the cloned key will always set the seat to the same position as the original, while a key "trained" i to the ECM will have it's own settings. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 3 Aug 2018 18:23:40 GMT, Clare Snyder wrote:
On the mitsu it is true. Says right in the documentation. When you go ito "programmode" it erases ALL existing remotes I'm gonna assume those "existing remotes" can be re-programmed on another car? There's a reason I ask, which is we're asking the original owner to come up with more remotes, if he can. BTW, does anyone know if the three-button remote Clare found can also be used instead of the two-button remote the kid currently has? The reason I ask is that, for some reason, the trunk doesn't open with the one key he has, and, there's no way to open it by hand, so the *only* way currently to open the trunk is via the lever in the cockpit (since the fob he has is only a two-button fob). Seems to me, if the three-button fob works, that this would solve the trunk problem too. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 15:10:45 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote: On 3 Aug 2018 06:06:23 GMT, Ed Pawlowski wrote: Most cases require you to bring one of the original fobs to get the new one programmed. Dealer may have you listed as the owner and that would suffice. My boss went to Europe. His wife took his car and locked the keys inside and the dealer was 50 miles away. I had to give the dealer the VIN and have a local locksmith vouch for me since he knew the both of us and did work for the company. Thanks. I'm not trying to steal a car, but it seems, from Clare's nice instructions, that all you need to do is buy the fob and get a hold of one of the other fobs, and you can make keys. Of course, all the fobs will be no good, so if you did it without the knowledge of the owner, the owner's own key fobs would stop working. But, according to what Clare sent, you don't need anything but the fob and the car and that's it. That is for the remote entry fob - NOT the immobilizer key. 2 different animals - although some vehicles DO integrate the remote entry fob into the head of the key. The newer cars use RFID to automatically unloch the vehicle when you approach, and lock it when you leave, and allow you to start the car without a key by pressing the start button. That is different technology COMPLETELY |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 3 Aug 2018 18:26:22 GMT, Clare Snyder wrote:
You need the car unlocked and the key in the ignition to program the remotes - which doNOT unlock the steering column or allow you to drive the car without the (usually chipped) key. The remote doesn't care who owns the car - or even who has the remote. Thanks Clare as you area always spot on correct. In this case, the key is just a dumb key (I had it checked at Home Depot) where the remote just unlocks and locks the doors. It's the two-button remote as shown in this pictu http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7287633keyfob.jpg The FCC ID is exactly the same, but it doesn't have any related P/N: https://northcoastkeyless.com/shop/m...a-pn-mr587983/ If the three-button remote works too, that would be a godsend: http://www.keylessride.com/order/quo...&frid=1A174E90 The reason is that the trunk won't open from the outside, as the key doesn't open it and the fob doesn't have a button for it. The trunk only opens right now from the inside of the cabin. I think that's how we will go, thanks to your suggestions! 1. Buy a handful of 3-button remotes 2. Program them Seems simple enough thanks to you! (I have no experience with these things.) |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 3 Aug 2018 18:34:40 GMT, Clare Snyder wrote:
That is for the remote entry fob - NOT the immobilizer key. I know what you mean because the sister of this kid has a Camry 2005 with the immobilizer driving her nuts because it goes on constantly. When I'm done helping with the 2004 Lancer, I may get her some remotes for her Camry and program them. 2 different animals - although some vehicles DO integrate the remote entry fob into the head of the key. My even older bimmer does that. The newer cars use RFID to automatically unloch the vehicle when you approach, and lock it when you leave, and allow you to start the car without a key by pressing the start button. That is different technology COMPLETELY Yup. These are older cars. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 3 Aug 2018 18:31:19 GMT, Clare Snyder wrote:
The "fob" is nopt programmed. It is added to the programming of the BCM of the car. You "train" the BCM - you don't "program" the fob. With some Imobilizer keys you DO need to program the chip on the key. On others you can train the ECM to accept the code in the key. In MANY cases "programming" the key is actually "cloning" the key - and if you have a car that has "memory seats" the cloned key will always set the seat to the same position as the original, while a key "trained" i to the ECM will have it's own settings. Yup. My bimmer has that per-key "seat memory" too. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 01:31:36 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote: On 3 Aug 2018 18:23:40 GMT, Clare Snyder wrote: On the mitsu it is true. Says right in the documentation. When you go ito "programmode" it erases ALL existing remotes I'm gonna assume those "existing remotes" can be re-programmed on another car? Remember - you are NOT PROGRAMMING THE REMOTE. You are training the BCM - or "adding the remote" to the BCM There's a reason I ask, which is we're asking the original owner to come up with more remotes, if he can. BTW, does anyone know if the three-button remote Clare found can also be used instead of the two-button remote the kid currently has? The reason I ask is that, for some reason, the trunk doesn't open with the one key he has, and, there's no way to open it by hand, so the *only* way currently to open the trunk is via the lever in the cockpit (since the fob he has is only a two-button fob). Seems to me, if the three-button fob works, that this would solve the trunk problem too. If a 3 button fob is available for the car, it will work. Personally I've never seen an OEM type fob with only 2 buttons, I'm sure they must exist, but I've never run across one. I think even most pickup trucks come with 3 button fobs (and some have power tailgate locks - - - |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 01:19:13 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote: On 3 Aug 2018 16:00:03 GMT, micky wrote: Thanks for this input, where I've been concentrating on the oxygen sensor I havent' seen that thread, but I may have problems with my o2 sensor also. I forget the codes I have but they both point to the o2 sensor. This is the thread... Advice for stripped threads upstream oxygen sensor exhaust manifold https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/mIcLF2bSnU8 Yet I get 30MPH on he highway and 26 in town, and it doesnt' overheat, so I'm thinking there is no big rush to fix it. It does stumble a bit when I'm stopped and start up again, unless I"m perfect with the gas pedal. AFAIK, oxygen sensors generally get replaced when they fail, and that usually precipitates one of two clues: a. You get a related oxygen sensor code, or, b. You can't set a related readiness monitor. Usually, AFAIK, it's the upstream sensor. You can test them, but, you can't really test them (it's one of those things you just replace). For the key and the fob, online they will sell to anyone. It's sort of like guns. But you need to have one or 2 fobs to make anotehr and 1 or 2 keys to make another key. I forget which it is but it's 1 for one and 2 for the other. Whatever Clare said. Yeah. What Clare said was a. Gather all the fobs you can (in this case, that's one). b. Program the handful you have c. That negates the ones you don't have Who knew it was that easy. Now all I have to do is buy the fobs. My first concern, since the trunk doesn't open with the key, is to buy the fob that has a trunk button on it, if that will work and try it out. I wonder if fobs can be programmed more than once? The fob is NOT BEING PROGRAMMED. You can actually add the same fob to more than one car .At the same time. You are programming the CAR to the fob, not the other way around. Each fob has a unique identifier code, and each make and model of car can use a specific range of codes. Programming adds the identifier of the fob into the list of acceptable codes (if it falls into the range for that vehicle) in the car's body control module (computer) |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 3 Aug 2018 20:05:08 GMT, Clare Snyder wrote:
The fob is NOT BEING PROGRAMMED. You can actually add the same fob to more than one car .At the same time. You are programming the CAR to the fob, not the other way around. Each fob has a unique identifier code, and each make and model of car can use a specific range of codes. Programming adds the identifier of the fob into the list of acceptable codes (if it falls into the range for that vehicle) in the car's body control module (computer) That's interesting that the same fob can work on more than one vehicle! |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 3 Aug 2018 19:59:34 GMT, Clare Snyder wrote:
Remember - you are NOT PROGRAMMING THE REMOTE. You are training the BCM - or "adding the remote" to the BCM Thanks for that clarification (I saw it in another post also). Much appreciated. If a 3 button fob is available for the car, it will work. Personally I've never seen an OEM type fob with only 2 buttons, I'm sure they must exist, but I've never run across one. I think even most pickup trucks come with 3 button fobs (and some have power tailgate locks - - - This one is two buttons, but I agree, the three button fob is the way to go! 1. Lock 2. Unlock 3. Trunk |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 03:40:52 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote: On 3 Aug 2018 20:05:08 GMT, Clare Snyder wrote: The fob is NOT BEING PROGRAMMED. You can actually add the same fob to more than one car .At the same time. You are programming the CAR to the fob, not the other way around. Each fob has a unique identifier code, and each make and model of car can use a specific range of codes. Programming adds the identifier of the fob into the list of acceptable codes (if it falls into the range for that vehicle) in the car's body control module (computer) That's interesting that the same fob can work on more than one vehicle! ... I can just see it now - me - walking through the crowded parking lot - clicking away to see if I can open any cars . :-) John T. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
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What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
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What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 14:14:12 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote: On 4 Aug 2018 01:01:12 GMT, wrote: .. I can just see it now - me - walking through the crowded parking lot - clicking away to see if I can open any cars . :-) I always wondered if the same key (in the olden days, we all had metal keys, remember?) would open more than one car... Definitely. The key to my Dads 66 ChevyVan would open and start his brother's (who dad worked for at the time) 1958 Chevy 1 ton - and it also opened and started a Pontiac that someone parked in front of the loading bay. (he moved it to the far end of the industrial complex the shop was located in) In Zambia 15 keys would start virtually every Peugeot 404 (and quite a few other peugeot models) in the country - so I put a FIAT ignition switch in my 204 |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
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What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 4 Aug 2018 01:19:13 -0000 (UTC), Arlen
Holder wrote: My first concern, since the trunk doesn't open with the key, is to buy the fob that has a trunk button on it, if that will work and try it out. I was looking for something else and I found this post, from a month ago, so you probably won't see my answer, and if you do, I probaably won't see yours. But my email address is good if you remove NONONO. I too, with a 2005 Toyotal Solara had a problem that it only opened with the fob or the lever on the floor. Now I had 2 good fobs, but because it's a convertible, I had to disable the lever on the floor. I guess the alarm would have gone off if they climbed over the door or the back and opened the trunk, but the alarm stops after a short time. So if I'm out and the fob battery fails, no way to get into the trunk. So I put in an electric switch, on the dash, that shoud have been there in the first place. It wasn't that easy. Couuldn't find the wire -- well maybe I could see it but I couldn't reach it -- without removing the left kickpanel and cutting into two different sheaths, looking for a white wire. There were two of them so I had to test which one worked. And I connected a push-button switch to that one and the cig lighter that is hot when the ignition is on. I'm really glad I did this. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On 9/1/2018 9:28 AM, trader_4 wrote:
That's interesting that the same fob can work on more than one vehicle! .. I can just see it now - me - walking through the crowded parking lot - clicking away to see if I can open any cars . :-) John T. It would have to have been programmed into the car - but I HAVE seen a remote unlock the wrong car - I guess there are only so many codes???? AFAIK, all have used pseudo random codes and the chance that any remote would open another car is probably lower odds than winning the mega millions lottery. Same thing with the newer garage door openers, made in the last 25 years or so. Old ones did have fixed codes set with dip switches. I just saw something on the Genesis forum about that happening. I have a Genesis G80 also and our cars have a "smart trunk" that will open for you. Below is what this guy posted. Walking through the parking lot at my daughters high school last Friday night during the first football game of the season and as I walked by a newer Toyota Sienna van the rear lift back started to raise and beep. As I walk further away it closed. I didnt think anything of it. Figured someone else was nearby with their fob or maybe in the van. Walked by a while later and it did the same thing. So I walked up to it and sure enough it opened. As I walked away it closed. I played with it a few times. Apparently on the same frequency as my G80. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 06:28:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Saturday, August 4, 2018 at 11:01:14 AM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote: On Sat, 04 Aug 2018 04:01:12 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 03:40:52 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote: On 3 Aug 2018 20:05:08 GMT, Clare Snyder wrote: The fob is NOT BEING PROGRAMMED. You can actually add the same fob to more than one car .At the same time. You are programming the CAR to the fob, not the other way around. Each fob has a unique identifier code, and each make and model of car can use a specific range of codes. Programming adds the identifier of the fob into the list of acceptable codes (if it falls into the range for that vehicle) in the car's body control module (computer) That's interesting that the same fob can work on more than one vehicle! .. I can just see it now - me - walking through the crowded parking lot - clicking away to see if I can open any cars . :-) John T. It would have to have been programmed into the car - but I HAVE seen a remote unlock the wrong car - I guess there are only so many codes???? AFAIK, all have used pseudo random codes and the chance that any remote would open another car is probably lower odds than winning the mega millions lottery. Same thing with the newer garage door openers, made in the last 25 years or so. Old ones did have fixed codes set with dip switches. Then you see that guy with the lap top walking along opening car doors and starting the cars. |
What options exist for getting duplicate automobile remotes?
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 10:01:58 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/1/2018 9:28 AM, trader_4 wrote: That's interesting that the same fob can work on more than one vehicle! .. I can just see it now - me - walking through the crowded parking lot - clicking away to see if I can open any cars . :-) John T. It would have to have been programmed into the car - but I HAVE seen a remote unlock the wrong car - I guess there are only so many codes???? AFAIK, all have used pseudo random codes and the chance that any remote would open another car is probably lower odds than winning the mega millions lottery. Same thing with the newer garage door openers, made in the last 25 years or so. Old ones did have fixed codes set with dip switches. I just saw something on the Genesis forum about that happening. I have a Genesis G80 also and our cars have a "smart trunk" that will open for you. Below is what this guy posted. Walking through the parking lot at my daughters high school last Friday night during the first football game of the season and as I walked by a newer Toyota Sienna van the rear lift back started to raise and beep. As I walk further away it closed. I didnt think anything of it. Figured someone else was nearby with their fob or maybe in the van. Walked by a while later and it did the same thing. So I walked up to it and sure enough it opened. As I walked away it closed. I played with it a few times. Apparently on the same frequency as my G80. It's inconceivable that they just base it on frequency. It seems beyond belief that they would base it on even a limited number of codes, because a thief could run through a bunch of codes with a computer or just capture the code you're transmitting and wait until you're gone and then use it to open it. But obviously something really dumb and bad is going on. IDK who you'd complain to, because it wasn't your car that opened by mistake. |
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