Has anyone gone through Dunghead Donnie's book _The art of the deal_ to
check out individual deals** that he says he made to see how his version
of things correspond to the truth???? At the time it was written, it
wasn't known to many people that he lies constantly. Nor was it so
clear that he's a blowhard.

The only reason Congress, the Republican members of Congress, are
standing by idly why Stumpie screws up negotiations with North Korea,
Iran, Israel, economic relations with Europe and Canada, is that they
think maybe he has a long term plan that starts off like this but ends
up serving the interests of the USA and goodness in general.

And this is based on the idea, which he promoted, that he's made good
business deals in the past.

Now even if he was successful in business, that's not at all the same as
foreign relations, but if he wasn't even successful in business, that's
even worse.

(People know about his bankruptcies, but without examining them, those
may appear to be not failures but clever ways to cheat people he's done
business with. Many builders, etc. form a separate corporation for each
project, and one with malicious intent can manage to make one or more go
bankrupt in order to avoid paying expenses, iow, to cheat contracters
and suppliers. So if people even imagine that's what he did, it
doesn't detract from his self-promoted self-serving reputation as
knowing what he's doing.)

So, has Stumpie exhibited any positive business skills, or is he all
lying, cheating, and insulting?


**I assume he gives some actual examples.

On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 6:20:33 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
Has anyone gone through Dunghead Donnie's book _The art of the deal_ to
check out individual deals** that he says he made to see how his version
of things correspond to the truth???? At the time it was written, it
wasn't known to many people that he lies constantly. Nor was it so
clear that he's a blowhard.

The only reason Congress, the Republican members of Congress, are
standing by idly why Stumpie screws up negotiations with North Korea,
Iran, Israel, economic relations with Europe and Canada, is that they
think maybe he has a long term plan that starts off like this but ends
up serving the interests of the USA and goodness in general.

I think few of the GOP think Trump has a clue. They know that it's just
beyond pathetic to have one meeting with a genocidal dictator and to come
out saying you trust him, that you just signed a "comprehensive" agreement
for denuclearization when it's really just a one page fluff piece, to say
that you believe KJU is going to start denuclearizing the minute he gets
off the plane, that the threat form NK nukes is now gone. They can't be
stupid enough to believe that or if Trump is really lying about it,
to think that's a good strategy either.

The problem is what do they do about it? They are just like the Democrats,
they stick together for the most part. Trump has a 42% approval rating
and at least twice that among Republicans. So, what do they do? Come
out and go against him? Especially with an election a few months away?
It's a really bad spot. Many have openly challenged him on his performance
with Russia at least.




And this is based on the idea, which he promoted, that he's made good
business deals in the past.

Now even if he was successful in business, that's not at all the same as
foreign relations, but if he wasn't even successful in business, that's
even worse.

There was at least one research done that came to the conclusion that if
Trump has simply invested what his father left him in the stock market
he'd have more money that he does today. Also that Art of the Deal book
was written by a ghost writer. Does anyone believe Trump could write
anything more than a tweet? That writer isn't his buddy anymore either.






(People know about his bankruptcies, but without examining them, those
may appear to be not failures but clever ways to cheat people he's done
business with.

I'd have to disagree there. It's pretty clear that they were real disasters.
In the 80s he was so totally upside down that the banks took his mega
yacht, he lost his airline, a large amount of his equity in properties,
etc. There is the old joke when you borrow $500K you owe the bank.
When you borrow $500 mil, you own the bank. That's pretty much the
position they were in. The lenders had to work out something, because
the alternative was worse. Then the casinos going bankrupt were obvious disasters too, Trump lost money, the investors and bond holders lost,
everyone lost. In more recent years I think the strategy has been to
leave all or most of the risk with others. He's done a lot of deals
where he takes a small position, gets paid a management fee, in return
for putting his name on the place.





Many builders, etc. form a separate corporation for each
project, and one with malicious intent can manage to make one or more go
bankrupt in order to avoid paying expenses, iow, to cheat contracters
and suppliers. So if people even imagine that's what he did, it
doesn't detract from his self-promoted self-serving reputation as
knowing what he's doing.)

So, has Stumpie exhibited any positive business skills, or is he all
lying, cheating, and insulting?


It's really simple. By any reasonable test of what good business and
good management are all about, you see Trump failing every day.
What good business person makes needless enemies of everyone they come
in contact with? Who likes Trump at this point? The GOP Congress at
most tolerates him because they have to. They will try to work with him
on what they can to get what they want done, but it's been difficult
because he keeps stabbing them in the back. The recent immigration
bill debacle, let's look at that.

The House had two immigration bills under consideration, a moderate one
and a more conservative one. Congress GOP worked with the WH and was
assured Trump supported either of them, would sign either of them.
Then as they were nearing a vote, Trump happened to walk outside the
WH and run into reporters. One of the questions they asked him was if
he supported and would sign both bills. He clearly said, no, I won't
sign the moderate one. Congress was stunned. Here they are trying to
round up votes, get GOP committed to vote yes, and Trump pulls the rug
out from one of the bills. By the next day, the WH is saying Trump
didn't understand the question, he will sign either bill. They had an
emergency come to Jesus meeting at night, with Trump going to Capitol Hill.
That alone tells you something. Trump told them, I support you 1000
percent. I will sign either bill. I have your backs. Two days later
in the morning Trump tweeted that Congress should just forget about
immigration until after the election when the GOP will win more seats.
Now, how in the world is that anything other than what it obviously
is? Who would trust this guy? Who would stick their neck out, take
political risk, to work with him on anything.

He's ****ed off Congress, most of the govt, certainly just about anyone
in power here. Just the other day he was asked about Biden possibly
running in 2020, he used that opportunity to call Biden "garbage".
Look at the huge turnover, the revolving door at the WH. This is sick.
No management professors, no real business leaders will tell you that
having such huge turnover in your staff is normal or a good thing.
One key measure of a good businessman, a good manager, a leader is
their ability to attract and retain good people. Trump has failed
that test miserably, The Mooch being a classic example. I mean who
else manages to hire a guy as their communications director and within
days he's talking to the media calling saying that another WH aid
sucks his own d***? And he's the guy Trump picked to be "communications
director". OMG, it's beyond the twilight zone.

Internationally he's ****ed off everybody but KJU and Putin. He has
no friends. Is that like any business person you've ever encountered?
What he doesn't realize is that when his slide starts there will be no
one there to help or support him. And another business aspect, his
whole fortune is based on the Trump brand. IMO, he's destroying it
right before our eyes. Who buys $5 mil condos? Wealthy, educated
people or blue collar workers? He's liked most by the less educated,
less successful, so IMO he's killing off his own customer base.
They have already taken his name off some properties and others are
in the process. I can see people still lining up to do deals, but
once he's out of office, especially if it ends badly, what becomes
of the Trump brand? Maybe that's why they recently opened the new
Trump business selling hats, robes and other cheap stuff.

On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 10:48:24 PM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:


Oh, and another key data point. It's been 18 months now, Trump's term is 40% over. Can anyone point us to even one deal he's made? He killed TPP, said he was going to do it one country at a time. Where is even one? The only major legislation passed was the tax cuts and that was Trump leaving it to Congress, not driving it or negotiating it. I guess the trumpets could cite the KJU deal, but even they know it's BS and how it will almost certainly turn out. Some sycophants like Hannity claim Trump struck gold in Singapore, but he knows its just BS, but he has to protect his broadcast empire, so he's not going to upset the trumpets with the truth.