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Shimming a toilet
What can be used to shim a toilet on a ceramic tiled floor.
My neighbor has a toilet that rocks from front to back, the fulcrum point being roughly where the bolts are. It sits on tile on top of a concrete slab so correcting the floor is out of the question. Gravity keeps the toilet sitting to the back, when you sit on it, it rests on the front and goes back when you get off. Temporarily, I was able to slide a paint stirrer under the rear to support it and it does not move when you sit on it. I'm thinking or a grout type material that can be squeezed in the gap and then will set hard. Wood will eventually get wet and rot. Silicone would be good to put under but may be too soft to support the weight. What about a few washers with silicone? The nuts on the hold down seem snug and I don't want to crank down on them and break the ceramic. I don't mind helping, but I don't want to buy him a new toilet. |
Shimming a toilet
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 20:37:19 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
What can be used to shim a toilet on a ceramic tiled floor. My neighbor has a toilet that rocks from front to back, the fulcrum point being roughly where the bolts are. It sits on tile on top of a concrete slab so correcting the floor is out of the question. Gravity keeps the toilet sitting to the back, when you sit on it, it rests on the front and goes back when you get off. Temporarily, I was able to slide a paint stirrer under the rear to support it and it does not move when you sit on it. I'm thinking or a grout type material that can be squeezed in the gap and then will set hard. Wood will eventually get wet and rot. Silicone would be good to put under but may be too soft to support the weight. What about a few washers with silicone? The nuts on the hold down seem snug and I don't want to crank down on them and break the ceramic. I don't mind helping, but I don't want to buy him a new toilet. You can use a hardwood shim and silicone bathtub caulk to neaten it up. I've done it a few times. The shim won't rot unless you've got a bigger problem. |
Shimming a toilet
On 1/2/2018 7:37 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
What can be used to shim a toilet on a ceramic tiled floor. My neighbor has a toilet that rocks from front to back, the fulcrum point being roughly where the bolts are.Â* It sits on tile on top of a concrete slab so correcting the floor is out of the question. Gravity keeps the toilet sitting to the back, when you sit on it, it rests on the front and goes back when you get off. Temporarily, I was able to slide a paint stirrer under the rear to support it and it does not move when you sit on it.Â* I'm thinking or a grout type material that can be squeezed in the gap and then will set hard.Â* Wood will eventually get wet and rot.Â* Silicone would be good to put under but may be too soft to support the weight.Â* What about a few washers with silicone? The nuts on the hold down seem snug and I don't want to crank down on them and break the ceramic.Â* I don't mind helping, but I don't want to buy him a new toilet. Â* Tile grout . You'll need to pull the toilet , shim in 3 places , and set it (with a new wax ring) in a bed of grout . Once the grout is set but not completely cured you can pull the shims and grout in those spots . -- Snag Ain't no dollar sign on peace of mind - Zac Brown |
Shimming a toilet
Stormin' Norman writes:
On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 20:37:19 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote: What can be used to shim a toilet on a ceramic tiled floor. My neighbor has a toilet that rocks from front to back, the fulcrum point being roughly where the bolts are. It sits on tile on top of a concrete slab so correcting the floor is out of the question. Gravity keeps the toilet sitting to the back, when you sit on it, it rests on the front and goes back when you get off. Temporarily, I was able to slide a paint stirrer under the rear to support it and it does not move when you sit on it. I'm thinking or a grout type material that can be squeezed in the gap and then will set hard. Wood will eventually get wet and rot. Silicone would be good to put under but may be too soft to support the weight. What about a few washers with silicone? The nuts on the hold down seem snug and I don't want to crank down on them and break the ceramic. I don't mind helping, but I don't want to buy him a new toilet. Plastic shims. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhOZ1NIsE2k Not sure I care for that solution. When he inserts those shims, it looks to me like he's prying the toilet up in the air. That could easily lead to leaks. I'd want to know why that toilet is rocking. Is the floor moving or was the floor always bad? Years ago a plumber advised me to always set a toilet in plaster. Put a layer of plaster down and set the toilet in it. I only followed his advice once, but if a floor is out of level it might be a good solution. -- Dan Espen |
Shimming a toilet
On 1/2/2018 9:29 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
Plastic shims. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhOZ1NIsE2k Not sure I care for that solution. When he inserts those shims, it looks to me like he's prying the toilet up in the air. That could easily lead to leaks. I'd want to know why that toilet is rocking. Is the floor moving or was the floor always bad? Years ago a plumber advised me to always set a toilet in plaster. Put a layer of plaster down and set the toilet in it. I only followed his advice once, but if a floor is out of level it might be a good solution. Floor is concrete slab with ceramic tile over it. There is a slight crown allowing it to move. I guess the old one was ok and this has been in for some time now. The plastic him would be ok if not used as a wedge, just inserted enough to touch. |
Shimming a toilet
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
What can be used to shim a toilet on a ceramic tiled floor. My neighbor has a toilet that rocks from front to back, the fulcrum point being roughly where the bolts are. It sits on tile on top of a concrete slab so correcting the floor is out of the question. Gravity keeps the toilet sitting to the back, when you sit on it, it rests on the front and goes back when you get off. Temporarily, I was able to slide a paint stirrer under the rear to support it and it does not move when you sit on it. I'm thinking or a grout type material that can be squeezed in the gap and then will set hard. Wood will eventually get wet and rot. Silicone would be good to put under but may be too soft to support the weight. What about a few washers with silicone? The nuts on the hold down seem snug and I don't want to crank down on them and break the ceramic. I don't mind helping, but I don't want to buy him a new toilet. Some washers or I've used pennies a few times |
Shimming a toilet
On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 12:19:43 AM UTC-5, ChairMan wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote: What can be used to shim a toilet on a ceramic tiled floor. My neighbor has a toilet that rocks from front to back, the fulcrum point being roughly where the bolts are. It sits on tile on top of a concrete slab so correcting the floor is out of the question. Gravity keeps the toilet sitting to the back, when you sit on it, it rests on the front and goes back when you get off. Temporarily, I was able to slide a paint stirrer under the rear to support it and it does not move when you sit on it. I'm thinking or a grout type material that can be squeezed in the gap and then will set hard. Wood will eventually get wet and rot. Silicone would be good to put under but may be too soft to support the weight. What about a few washers with silicone? The nuts on the hold down seem snug and I don't want to crank down on them and break the ceramic. I don't mind helping, but I don't want to buy him a new toilet. Some washers or I've used pennies a few times Home depot has little plastic wedges for shimming toilets. NEver had to use them, so IDK how well they work. |
Shimming a toilet
On 1/3/2018 8:43 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 12:19:43 AM UTC-5, ChairMan wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: What can be used to shim a toilet on a ceramic tiled floor. [snip] The nuts on the hold down seem snug and I don't want to crank down on them and break the ceramic. I don't mind helping, but I don't want to buy him a new toilet. Some washers or I've used pennies a few times Home depot has little plastic wedges for shimming toilets. NEver had to use them, so IDK how well they work. Used them here in a bathroom where I installed infloor resistance heating and had to contend with a bit of wobble. The wedges work just fine: impervious to moisture, non-compressible (unless you weigh a ton ;)) and are stepped to you can use a pair to get exactly the "lift" you need. The one obvious thing you want to avoid is a large gap by the the mounting bolts. Crank down a bit too hard there and. . . you don't want to deal with the results. Best to just slip some wedges there to prevent the fulcrum effect, Still have some gaps? They should be cosmetic if you did it right. Now's the time to get out the silicone sealer to finish the job. |
Shimming a toilet
On 1/3/2018 10:00 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 1/3/2018 8:43 AM, trader_4 wrote: Some washers or I've used pennies a few times Home depot has little plastic wedges for shimming toilets.Â* NEver had to use them, so IDK how well they work. Used them here in a bathroom where I installed infloor resistance heating and had to contend with a bit of wobble.Â* The wedges work just fine:Â* impervious to moisture, non-compressible (unless you weigh a ton ;)) and are stepped to you can use a pair to get exactly the "lift" you need. The one obvious thing you want to avoid is a large gap by the the mounting bolts.Â* Crank down a bit too hard there and. . . you don't want to deal with the results.Â* Best to just slip some wedges there to prevent the fulcrum effect,Â* Still have some gaps?Â* They should be cosmetic if you did it right.Â* Now's the time to get out the silicone sealer to finish the job. That sounds like the way to go. I won't have to touch the bolts. Seems like just the back has to be supported so it does not slip back, The front sits solidly with the weight of a person on it so supporting the rear stops the flop. . |
Shimming a toilet
any chance the moving toilet has broken its flange. I have had that problem:('
its best to pull the toilet and find out whats really wrng |
Shimming a toilet
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 10:32:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/3/2018 10:00 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote: On 1/3/2018 8:43 AM, trader_4 wrote: Some washers or I've used pennies a few times Home depot has little plastic wedges for shimming toilets.* NEver had to use them, so IDK how well they work. Used them here in a bathroom where I installed infloor resistance heating and had to contend with a bit of wobble.* The wedges work just fine:* impervious to moisture, non-compressible (unless you weigh a ton ;)) and are stepped to you can use a pair to get exactly the "lift" you need. The one obvious thing you want to avoid is a large gap by the the mounting bolts.* Crank down a bit too hard there and. . . you don't want to deal with the results.* Best to just slip some wedges there to prevent the fulcrum effect,* Still have some gaps?* They should be cosmetic if you did it right.* Now's the time to get out the silicone sealer to finish the job. That sounds like the way to go. I won't have to touch the bolts. Seems like just the back has to be supported so it does not slip back, The front sits solidly with the weight of a person on it so supporting the rear stops the flop. . By using the plastic shims (HD, Ace, Lowe's) you can trim them off. https://fthmb.tqn.com/_Z5cLsO0-fF3kgPHnXlfEvs73vo=/960x0/filters:no_upscale()/about/cut-shims-56a73b3f3df78cf772937e56.jpg |
Shimming a toilet
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 08:43:25 -0800 (PST), bob haller
wrote: any chance the moving toilet has broken its flange. I have had that problem:(' its best to pull the toilet and find out whats really wrong Best answer so far. I bet the flange is too high, maybe even a doubled up flange in an attempt to deal with some other problem. It could just be that the tile guy screwed up and did not get it flat or flush with the flange. A minute with a straight edge will reveal the problem. |
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Shimming a toilet
its best to pull the toilet and find out whats really wrong Best answer so far. I bet the flange is too high, maybe even a doubled up flange in an attempt to deal with some other problem. It could just be that the tile guy screwed up and did not get it flat or flush with the flange. A minute with a straight edge will reveal the problem. It is a good point. My former toilet never rocked. Pulled it out to have tile done. The slab was fine using a level. When it was put back it rocked so a shim worked at that time. A newer toilet was put in last year and it doesn't rock or need shims. My guess is after the tile the toilet was not seated properly, even though the slab & tile proved to be level. It may not be the flange. But it is possible I guess. Yep. Maybe something simple - rubber gasket vs wax ? ... only removing the toilet and looking for the cause will result in the best repair job. Be sure to examine the toilet - might be a factory reject. Shims are fine if really needed - but not just to make it quick & easy. John T. |
Shimming a toilet
On 01/02/2018 08:56 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Tile grout . You'll need to pull the toilet , shim in 3 places , and set it (with a new wax ring) in a bed of grout . Once the grout is set but not completely cured you can pull the shims and grout in those spots . ^ Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! ^ A bed of grout is the ONLY way I'd install a toilet on a hard tile floor. |
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