2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 10:23:42 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/25/2017 10:12 PM, rbowman wrote: (And "afford to drive" is not the same thing as "paying $X for a car", which is why the use of "chump change" isn't valid. I'll leave it to you to figure that out.) Figure this out. Who will feel a greater impact, Richy Rich paying $1000 to have his $200,000 ride serviced or Joe Sixpack paying $500 for his Kia service? If he is truly Richy Rich. different scenario if he is Mr. Max Mortgage that does not have two dimes in his pocket.. Ladies and gentleman, we have a winner! |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 10:29:49 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:38:51 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 9:20:10 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:31:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 4:35:47 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote: On 07/25/2017 10:17 AM, The Real Bev wrote: Hubby's former boss during the 1960s bought a Lamborghini (or equivalent -- the James Bond car at the time) and sold it as soon as he found out that a simple tuneup (we remember what those were, right?) cost $1,000. 'Simple tuneup' and 'Italian engine' in the same sentence is an oxymoron waiting to happen. You're probably thinking of the Aston Martin DB5 though. That's the iconic Bond car although others showed up in the movies over the years. I don't know what the inflation adjusted cost for the '60s DB5's would be but the new models are about $200,000. Pay that for a car and a $1000 oil change is just chump change. That sounds like the old "If he can afford that much yard, he can afford to have someone mow the lawn" argument. Of course you realize that that is not a valid argument. And yet it is. Which is why I've always maintained "of you cANNOT AFFORD TO DRIVE A NEW ONE, YOU CERTAINLY CANNOT AFFORD A USED ONE" WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE "EXOTICS" Why are you yelling? Accidentally hit the cap lock and hit send without looking. (And "afford to drive" is not the same thing as "paying $X for a car", which is why the use of "chump change" isn't valid. I'll leave it to you to figure that out.) Not saying it's chump change, but there is SOME truth to the idea of "if you can afford to buy it, you can afford to pay the stupid prices for maintenance" in that "if you can't afford the maintenance you can't afford the car" - and the same is true of the used car - which "will" require more maintenance. And yet we all know someone who drives too much car or lives in too much house. Just cuz you can pay for it doesn't mean you can afford it. |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On 7/25/17 10:09 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/25/2017 06:31 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 4:35:47 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote: On 07/25/2017 10:17 AM, The Real Bev wrote: Hubby's former boss during the 1960s bought a Lamborghini (or equivalent -- the James Bond car at the time) and sold it as soon as he found out that a simple tuneup (we remember what those were, right?) cost $1,000. 'Simple tuneup' and 'Italian engine' in the same sentence is an oxymoron waiting to happen. You're probably thinking of the Aston Martin DB5 though. That's the iconic Bond car although others showed up in the movies over the years. I don't know what the inflation adjusted cost for the '60s DB5's would be but the new models are about $200,000. Pay that for a car and a $1000 oil change is just chump change. That sounds like the old "If he can afford that much yard, he can afford to have someone mow the lawn" argument. Of course you realize that that is not a valid argument. No, I do not realize that at all. The rich are different, or so I've heard. Indeed, we are ;-) -- You cant get rich in politics unless youre a crook. - President Harry Truman |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On 07/25/2017 09:05 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 10:23:42 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 7/25/2017 10:12 PM, rbowman wrote: (And "afford to drive" is not the same thing as "paying $X for a car", which is why the use of "chump change" isn't valid. I'll leave it to you to figure that out.) Figure this out. Who will feel a greater impact, Richy Rich paying $1000 to have his $200,000 ride serviced or Joe Sixpack paying $500 for his Kia service? If he is truly Richy Rich. different scenario if he is Mr. Max Mortgage that does not have two dimes in his pocket.. Ladies and gentleman, we have a winner! If they can't afford the maintenance on their Bimmer and it breaks down in the middle of a BLM riot, that's natural selection at work. |
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2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 20:05:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 10:23:42 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 7/25/2017 10:12 PM, rbowman wrote: (And "afford to drive" is not the same thing as "paying $X for a car", which is why the use of "chump change" isn't valid. I'll leave it to you to figure that out.) Figure this out. Who will feel a greater impact, Richy Rich paying $1000 to have his $200,000 ride serviced or Joe Sixpack paying $500 for his Kia service? If he is truly Richy Rich. different scenario if he is Mr. Max Mortgage that does not have two dimes in his pocket.. Ladies and gentleman, we have a winner! Mr Max Mortgage "can't afford to drive" the car = can''t really afford to pay the money for it either. |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 20:09:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 10:29:49 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:38:51 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 9:20:10 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:31:04 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 4:35:47 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote: On 07/25/2017 10:17 AM, The Real Bev wrote: Hubby's former boss during the 1960s bought a Lamborghini (or equivalent -- the James Bond car at the time) and sold it as soon as he found out that a simple tuneup (we remember what those were, right?) cost $1,000. 'Simple tuneup' and 'Italian engine' in the same sentence is an oxymoron waiting to happen. You're probably thinking of the Aston Martin DB5 though. That's the iconic Bond car although others showed up in the movies over the years. I don't know what the inflation adjusted cost for the '60s DB5's would be but the new models are about $200,000. Pay that for a car and a $1000 oil change is just chump change. That sounds like the old "If he can afford that much yard, he can afford to have someone mow the lawn" argument. Of course you realize that that is not a valid argument. And yet it is. Which is why I've always maintained "of you cANNOT AFFORD TO DRIVE A NEW ONE, YOU CERTAINLY CANNOT AFFORD A USED ONE" WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE "EXOTICS" Why are you yelling? Accidentally hit the cap lock and hit send without looking. (And "afford to drive" is not the same thing as "paying $X for a car", which is why the use of "chump change" isn't valid. I'll leave it to you to figure that out.) Not saying it's chump change, but there is SOME truth to the idea of "if you can afford to buy it, you can afford to pay the stupid prices for maintenance" in that "if you can't afford the maintenance you can't afford the car" - and the same is true of the used car - which "will" require more maintenance. And yet we all know someone who drives too much car or lives in too much house. Just cuz you can pay for it doesn't mean you can afford it. Lots of them. And when they get out of either the car OR the house, it's generally not a deal for the new owner |
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2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 03:49:28 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
wrote: We just bought a new car last week, if fact it is still in production at the factory. I know we paid more for it than what we had planned on, but is still within our budget, both purchase and maintenance. We had not planned to buy a car until October, but the dealership and factory were offering very good incentives which would not occur again until the end of the year, and the interest rate was next to nothing. Since moving into retirement mode, I may eventually break my self-imposed rule not to buy new cars. When the Taurus dies, if there is a good deal at 0% or close, it would make more sense to buy new, taking the payments out of the RIFF , than to take the tax hit pulling money from RRSP to pay for a used one. |
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2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On 7/27/2017 12:27 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:
I'm an old fart and pretty tech-savvy. I really like all the electro bells and whistles on my new top-of-the-trim-line ride. I especially like the rear cross traffic radar, the lane departure warning (signal every lane change or you get a beeping serenade), the collision warning/avoidance braking system, and the adaptive cruise control that slows you down if you get too close to the car in front of you. I'm ambivalent about voice-controlling the Nav and radio and answering phone calls with buttons on the steering wheel What I can do without is 600+ small print pages in the "main" owner's manual and another 350 in the "electronics" manual. I like all those goodies too. In May we went away for a while and took a 4,000 mile trip. Adaptive CC makes it so much nicer. I set the climate control when I got the car 22 months ago and have not touched it since. Do you have the "auto hold" system for brakes? When you stop you can take your foot off the brake pedal and the brakes stay on until you touch the gas. It sets the parking brake when you shift into park. Really nice in stop and go traffic that is more stop than go. |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On 7/27/2017 12:27 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 7/27/17 11:56 AM, Frank wrote: On 7/27/2017 11:38 AM, wrote: On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 03:49:28 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote: We just bought a new car last week, if fact it is still in production at the factory. I know we paid more for it than what we had planned on, but is still within our budget, both purchase and maintenance. We had not planned to buy a car until October, but the dealership and factory were offering very good incentives which would not occur again until the end of the year, and the interest rate was next to nothing. Since moving into retirement mode, I may eventually break my self-imposed rule not to buy new cars. When the Taurus dies, if there is a good deal at 0% or close, it would make more sense to buy new, taking the payments out of the RIFF , than to take the tax hit pulling money from RRSP to pay for a used one. Just learned a couple of Canadian abbreviations. Often of hear folks retiring and buying their last car, usually a pricey one, to be stuck with an old car 10 years later. I buy new and run until a repair cost is more than the book value of the car. Did it last year. Find a lot of us old folks buying new cars cannot or don't try to use all the new electronic bells and whistles. Blue tooth, gps's and the like are Greek to them. This key fob would also be Greek to them. I'm an old fart and pretty tech-savvy. I really like all the electro bells and whistles on my new top-of-the-trim-line ride. I especially like the rear cross traffic radar, the lane departure warning (signal every lane change or you get a beeping serenade), the collision warning/avoidance braking system, and the adaptive cruise control that slows you down if you get too close to the car in front of you. I'm ambivalent about voice-controlling the Nav and radio and answering phone calls with buttons on the steering wheel What I can do without is 600+ small print pages in the "main" owner's manual and another 350 in the "electronics" manual. Few years ago one son had a BMW with all the bells and whistles. Thought it near he could just say, call Dad and call me or tell it to give him directions. System failed and fixed under warranty and they told him at dealer, it was good that it was under warranty as it would have cost him $3,000 to repair. |
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On 7/27/17 1:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/27/2017 12:27 PM, Wade Garrett wrote: I'm an old fart and pretty tech-savvy. I really like all the electro bells and whistles on my new top-of-the-trim-line ride. I especially like the rear cross traffic radar, the lane departure warning (signal every lane change or you get a beeping serenade), the collision warning/avoidance braking system, and the adaptive cruise control that slows you down if you get too close to the car in front of you. I'm ambivalent about voice-controlling the Nav and radio and answering phone calls with buttons on the steering wheel What I can do without is 600+ small print pages in the "main" owner's manual and another 350 in the "electronics" manual. I like all those goodies too. In May we went away for a while and took a 4,000 mile trip. Adaptive CC makes it so much nicer. I set the climate control when I got the car 22 months ago and have not touched it since. Do you have the "auto hold" system for brakes? When you stop you can take your foot off the brake pedal and the brakes stay on until you touch the gas. It sets the parking brake when you shift into park. Really nice in stop and go traffic that is more stop than go. Nope, it doesn't have that. Sounds like a nice feature though. Wish it did. My wife's ride will jam the brakes on if you're about to back into something like the garbage can, a light pole or another car in the parking lot. -- Don't cling to a mistake just because you spent a lot of time or money making it. |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 18:41:06 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
wrote: On Thu 27 Jul 2017 10:18:47a, Ed Pawlowski told us... On 7/27/2017 12:27 PM, Wade Garrett wrote: I'm an old fart and pretty tech-savvy. I really like all the electro bells and whistles on my new top-of-the-trim-line ride. I especially like the rear cross traffic radar, the lane departure warning (signal every lane change or you get a beeping serenade), the collision warning/avoidance braking system, and the adaptive cruise control that slows you down if you get too close to the car in front of you. I'm ambivalent about voice-controlling the Nav and radio and answering phone calls with buttons on the steering wheel What I can do without is 600+ small print pages in the "main" owner's manual and another 350 in the "electronics" manual. I like all those goodies too. In May we went away for a while and took a 4,000 mile trip. Adaptive CC makes it so much nicer. I set the climate control when I got the car 22 months ago and have not touched it since. Do you have the "auto hold" system for brakes? When you stop you can take your foot off the brake pedal and the brakes stay on until you touch the gas. It sets the parking brake when you shift into park. Really nice in stop and go traffic that is more stop than go. We are both retired and our present car is 10 yeas old. We didn't want to think about the possibility of having an expensive repair within the next couple of years. We just ordered a new car from the factory with all the bells and whistles that both you and Wade mentioned, plus a few more goodies. I"m very tech savvy and David is not, but I'm a good teacher. :-) We decided within the net 10 years that one or both of us might not be driving or not be allowed to drive, or worse yet, dead. It seemed prudent to buy something now that we will enjoy. I downloaded the users manual because it's in much larger print than the book you get with the car, the same with the navigation manual. I've already memorized most of the features in the manuals so there should be a minimal learning curve. :-) So far I've been able to balance the "stuff I enjoy" on a car with the "pain of high cost" I buy nice, low mileage, relatively loaded mid-line cars for a good price and maintain them, driving them 'till I either no longer want them because they are getting ugly from rust etc, or they are no longer economical to maintain. I strayed from that formula 5 years ago when I bought my truck - a high milage, lightly optioned 16 year old creme puff at a price I couldn't refuse. When I can no longer do the maintenance myself, that's when the formula will HAVE to change - but it might change sooner depending how much longer the 15 year old Taurus lasts (only 1010,000km on it) or how fast the paint peals off of it.Ugly cars don't get to sit on my driveway very long - and if making them look good costs too much money or work - they are GONE. |
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Mike_Duffy posted for all of us...
On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:15:27 -0400, Tekkie® wrote: If that does not work, try wrapping aluminum foil around the transponder. (It is not clear if having a transponder in the car causes your problem.) That's not the problem. If a transponder is in the car then it can't be locked from outside. The is nowhere to inert a metal key as there are no metal keys. Did you actually try wrapping the spare transponder in aluminum foil? Please reply to the original poster. I'm not trying anything. Why would I? I only put aluminum foil hats on. Stop all the alien radio waves. -- Tekkie |
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2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:11:21 -0400, Tekkie® wrote:
I only put aluminum foil hats on. Stop all the alien radio waves. Even if you don't believe about the aliens, it's still a good idea to line your hat with foil. That way, you always have some if you ever need it. I suppose that I did get you mixed up with someone else, but if he is following the thread, he should see my suggestion anyway. It's certainly not worth my time to track him down. I just tried to re-load the prior messages, but either retention quota on this NG has been exceeded, or the OP is in my kill-file. Either obviates my need to seek further. |
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:32:33 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote: posted for all of us... On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:15:27 -0400, Tekkie® wrote: Mike_Duffy posted for all of us... On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 13:43:58 -0400, Tekkie® wrote: On my cars one cannot lock the transponder in the car. It does not have a conventional metal key. I don't know how to handle it. I had an issue with the sensor for the rear hatch always sensing "door open" even when it was closed AND locked. Any attempt to lock a different door would result in the computer unlocking all the doors to 'remind' you that a door is open. Presumably this is to help prevent someone from accidentally locking the keys in the car. In order to lock all doors, I needed to either: (1) Roll down the driver window, and enter the code to lock all doors. (2) Turn everything off by removing the key from the switch, then pressing the interior 'lock all doors' button. In your case, since you need to be outside of the car after it is locked, I would opt for (1), except put the window up first. If that does not work, try wrapping aluminum foil around the transponder. (It is not clear if having a transponder in the car causes your problem.) That's not the problem. If a transponder is in the car then it can't be locked from outside. The is nowhere to inert a metal key as there are no metal keys. No metal key hideden within the fob? You are CERTAIN? No key cyl concealed under a cap in the door handle that can be popped off with the key? You are 100% certain? Exactlt what year ond model do you have? 2017 Pacifica I will look again. I could not find any slot. I'll look again. The Volvo has a metal key. Page 15 and 16 of your Pacifica owners manual. |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 2:46:33 PM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 7/27/17 1:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 7/27/2017 12:27 PM, Wade Garrett wrote: I'm an old fart and pretty tech-savvy. I really like all the electro bells and whistles on my new top-of-the-trim-line ride. I especially like the rear cross traffic radar, the lane departure warning (signal every lane change or you get a beeping serenade), the collision warning/avoidance braking system, and the adaptive cruise control that slows you down if you get too close to the car in front of you. I'm ambivalent about voice-controlling the Nav and radio and answering phone calls with buttons on the steering wheel What I can do without is 600+ small print pages in the "main" owner's manual and another 350 in the "electronics" manual. I like all those goodies too. In May we went away for a while and took a 4,000 mile trip. Adaptive CC makes it so much nicer. I set the climate control when I got the car 22 months ago and have not touched it since. Do you have the "auto hold" system for brakes? When you stop you can take your foot off the brake pedal and the brakes stay on until you touch the gas. It sets the parking brake when you shift into park. Really nice in stop and go traffic that is more stop than go. Nope, it doesn't have that. Sounds like a nice feature though. Wish it did. My wife's ride will jam the brakes on if you're about to back into something like the garbage can, a light pole or another car in the parking lot. I am *planning* on buying a new car in late December and the one I want has all those bells and whistles on it like yours and Ed's. Also, the 'evil' key fob as well. But I have read so much about the car I want, dozens (I'm not kidding) videos and reviews, too, that I almost feel like I could get a job at the dealership and sell the car. |
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On 7/27/2017 3:32 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
posted for all of us... On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:15:27 -0400, Tekkie® wrote: [snip] In your case, since you need to be outside of the car after it is locked, I would opt for (1), except put the window up first. If that does not work, try wrapping aluminum foil around the transponder. (It is not clear if having a transponder in the car causes your problem.) That's not the problem. If a transponder is in the car then it can't be locked from outside. The is nowhere to inert a metal key as there are no metal keys. No metal key hideden within the fob? You are CERTAIN? No key cyl concealed under a cap in the door handle that can be popped off with the key? You are 100% certain? Exactlt what year ond model do you have? 2017 Pacifica I will look again. I could not find any slot. I'll look again. I certainly hope Tekkie can read. Check your owner's manual. Pages 12 and 15 specifically. Your remote fob contains and emergency key so you can open the driver's door and also lock the glove compartment. If you're speaking about starting the car (if you have the push button start) keep reading the manual. Most likely if the battery to the fob is weak or. . . you will find that holding the fob to the start button will get you going. Hopefully the pen name "Tekkie" was not adopted to suggest that you are technically proficient in, ah, er, anything |
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In article t,
says... In article , says... I am *planning* on buying a new car in late December and the one I want has all those bells and whistles on it like yours and Ed's. Also, the 'evil' key fob as well. But I have read so much about the car I want, dozens (I'm not kidding) videos and reviews, too, that I almost feel like I could get a job at the dealership and sell the car. I wanted to buy a 2018 Toyota, but they changed the design and it is butt ugly. Decided to get the 2017. It is missing a couple of things I wanted,but they do not offer some of them in the only version that has the V6 in it. Had to get the leather seats and hate them. Also could not find one in the color we wanted with the lane and back up warnings. This just seemed like a good time to trade as there is zero financing for 7 years. I could pay for it now, but why not make about 3 to 5 thousand off of the money if the stock market keeps going up. Did not have to trade as the car we had only had about 32,000 miles on it, but was 10 years old. Someone is going to get a very nice used car. I really hate it that I can not order a car sort of like I want to. I remember getting one in 1972 and could add many things by waiting about a month. They quit doing that years ago. Doesn't make much sense to buy a vehicle that doesn't have the amenities you want, seats you don't like, color you didn't want, etc... Sounds like an impulse buy to me. -- RonNNN |
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On 7/27/2017 6:13 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
I really hate it that I can not order a car sort of like I want to. I remember getting one in 1972 and could add many things by waiting about a month. They quit doing that years ago. They have it down pat for efficient production. Basic, mid, fully loaded. Sure, you want one item from the next package up but you have to buy six items in the package. Does not bother me because the cars I buy have it all. Not the best value, but I like the goodies. If pure economics of transportation drove my choice of car buying it would be a 2 year old ****box with low miles. Instead, I have a full sized premium with the Ultra package. |
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:04:09 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
wrote: On 7/27/2017 3:32 PM, Tekkie® wrote: posted for all of us... On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:15:27 -0400, Tekkie® wrote: [snip] In your case, since you need to be outside of the car after it is locked, I would opt for (1), except put the window up first. If that does not work, try wrapping aluminum foil around the transponder. (It is not clear if having a transponder in the car causes your problem.) That's not the problem. If a transponder is in the car then it can't be locked from outside. The is nowhere to inert a metal key as there are no metal keys. No metal key hideden within the fob? You are CERTAIN? No key cyl concealed under a cap in the door handle that can be popped off with the key? You are 100% certain? Exactlt what year ond model do you have? 2017 Pacifica I will look again. I could not find any slot. I'll look again. I certainly hope Tekkie can read. Check your owner's manual. Pages 12 and 15 specifically. Your remote fob contains and emergency key so you can open the driver's door and also lock the glove compartment. If you're speaking about starting the car (if you have the push button start) keep reading the manual. Most likely if the battery to the fob is weak or. . . you will find that holding the fob to the start button will get you going. Hopefully the pen name "Tekkie" was not adopted to suggest that you are technically proficient in, ah, er, anything The emergency key is used to pop the cover off the pushbutton start, where you can insert the emergengy key to start the engine. |
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:49:13 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... Doesn't make much sense to buy a vehicle that doesn't have the amenities you want, seats you don't like, color you didn't want, etc... Sounds like an impulse buy to me. It is just like any mass produced item. There are only so many choices and one has to compromise on them. As the V6 was at the top of the list, I had to get leather seats, there was no way not to and stay with the Camra. Just as I went with the 2017 as the 2018 is butt ugly and they will probably make that for the next 3 or 4 years. I did like the color. My wife really like the Corolla, but they do not offer a V6 in it. Unless you both weigh 400 lbs or you want to tow a trailer, you don't NEED a V6 It was not an impulse buy. We even took the car home overnight to give it a test ride and look before buying. Checked the internet and that was the only Toyota with in 50 miles that was even close to what we wanted. Not every car on the lot is on the internet - sometimes your dealer will do a "dealer trade" with a dealer even out of your "zone" to get you what you want. |
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 01:29:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
wrote: On Thu 27 Jul 2017 01:02:08p, told us... On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 18:41:06 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote: On Thu 27 Jul 2017 10:18:47a, Ed Pawlowski told us... On 7/27/2017 12:27 PM, Wade Garrett wrote: I'm an old fart and pretty tech-savvy. I really like all the electro bells and whistles on my new top-of-the-trim-line ride. I especially like the rear cross traffic radar, the lane departure warning (signal every lane change or you get a beeping serenade), the collision warning/avoidance braking system, and the adaptive cruise control that slows you down if you get too close to the car in front of you. I'm ambivalent about voice-controlling the Nav and radio and answering phone calls with buttons on the steering wheel What I can do without is 600+ small print pages in the "main" owner's manual and another 350 in the "electronics" manual. I like all those goodies too. In May we went away for a while and took a 4,000 mile trip. Adaptive CC makes it so much nicer. I set the climate control when I got the car 22 months ago and have not touched it since. Do you have the "auto hold" system for brakes? When you stop you can take your foot off the brake pedal and the brakes stay on until you touch the gas. It sets the parking brake when you shift into park. Really nice in stop and go traffic that is more stop than go. We are both retired and our present car is 10 yeas old. We didn't want to think about the possibility of having an expensive repair within the next couple of years. We just ordered a new car from the factory with all the bells and whistles that both you and Wade mentioned, plus a few more goodies. I"m very tech savvy and David is not, but I'm a good teacher. :-) We decided within the net 10 years that one or both of us might not be driving or not be allowed to drive, or worse yet, dead. It seemed prudent to buy something now that we will enjoy. I downloaded the users manual because it's in much larger print than the book you get with the car, the same with the navigation manual. I've already memorized most of the features in the manuals so there should be a minimal learning curve. :-) So far I've been able to balance the "stuff I enjoy" on a car with the "pain of high cost" I buy nice, low mileage, relatively loaded mid-line cars for a good price and maintain them, driving them 'till I either no longer want them because they are getting ugly from rust etc, or they are no longer economical to maintain. I strayed from that formula 5 years ago when I bought my truck - a high milage, lightly optioned 16 year old creme puff at a price I couldn't refuse. When I can no longer do the maintenance myself, that's when the formula will HAVE to change - but it might change sooner depending how much longer the 15 year old Taurus lasts (only 1010,000km on it) or how fast the paint peals off of it.Ugly cars don't get to sit on my driveway very long - and if making them look good costs too much money or work - they are GONE. Luckily we never see car rust in AZ unless it's come here from some other part of the country. Up here in the "interlaken" area of central Ontario more cars rust out than wear out - even with the much better rust resistance of today's cars, Not NEARLY as bad as it used to be though. |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 01:48:24 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
wrote: On Thu 27 Jul 2017 03:13:19p, Ralph Mowery told us... In article , says... I am *planning* on buying a new car in late December and the one I want has all those bells and whistles on it like yours and Ed's. Also, the 'evil' key fob as well. But I have read so much about the car I want, dozens (I'm not kidding) videos and reviews, too, that I almost feel like I could get a job at the dealership and sell the car. I wanted to buy a 2018 Toyota, but they changed the design and it is butt ugly. Decided to get the 2017. It is missing a couple of things I wanted,but they do not offer some of them in the only version that has the V6 in it. Had to get the leather seats and hate them. Also could not find one in the color we wanted with the lane and back up warnings. This just seemed like a good time to trade as there is zero financing for 7 years. I could pay for it now, but why not make about 3 to 5 thousand off of the money if the stock market keeps going up. Did not have to trade as the car we had only had about 32,000 miles on it, but was 10 years old. Someone is going to get a very nice used car. I really hate it that I can not order a car sort of like I want to. I remember getting one in 1972 and could add many things by waiting about a month. They quit doing that years ago. We came across a similar problem. There was no car in the color we wanted that was the exact model we wanted and had the exact features we wanted. Our dealership did find two, one in Florida and the other in Iowa. Neither of those dealerships were willing to agree to transport to AZ. Ready to walk out and call it quits, the general manager of our dealership called the factory and discussed it with someone there. The end result was that the factory punched in all the specs for the exact car we wanted and put it into the production line. We've been told delivery should be 4-5 weeks maximum. Sometimes you do win. The essence of the "copo camaro" |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On 07/27/2017 04:13 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
I really hate it that I can not order a car sort of like I want to. I remember getting one in 1972 and could add many things by waiting about a month. They quit doing that years ago. The last Toyota I bought I originally ordered to my preferences and it would take a couple of months for delivery. I went home and thought about it that night and called the dealer the next day to find out what he had available there and then. That was in March 2011 and the model I wanted was manufactured in Japan. I wasn't sure Japan was going to be around long enough to build any cars. I would much rather have a standard transmission and 'arrest me red' isn't my favorite color but it's been a good ride. No key fobs, no lane warning, no electric windows, no backup cameras, no nuttin'. Someday when i get old I might want that stuff. Of course I said that about baggers too. Going on '70 and none of the bikes in the driveway are baggers. I don't think it's going to happen. |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
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2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On 7/27/2017 11:17 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
I just wanted to and the V6 was just a want,not a need. Just as I wanted a red car. After all, paint is just paint, especially if the car is kept in a garage most of the time like mine is. Speaking of towing a trailer, Toyota does not recommend using the Camry to tow a trailer of any size. I did a quick look at the Hondas, and the small and mid size cars did not seem to even offer a v6. Just a 4 and a turbo 4. I don't care for the turbos on a street car. Why? My last car was a 2.0 turbo. I was quite happy with the performance. |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:29:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/27/2017 11:17 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote: I just wanted to and the V6 was just a want,not a need. Just as I wanted a red car. After all, paint is just paint, especially if the car is kept in a garage most of the time like mine is. Speaking of towing a trailer, Toyota does not recommend using the Camry to tow a trailer of any size. I did a quick look at the Hondas, and the small and mid size cars did not seem to even offer a v6. Just a 4 and a turbo 4. I don't care for the turbos on a street car. Why? My last car was a 2.0 turbo. I was quite happy with the performance. Today's turbos are a far cry from the Corvair or Jetfire of the sixties, or the old SVO Mustang!!! Rven the Saab turbos of rhe seventies and eighties were very crude by today's standards and were considered consumeables. Today's turbos should last the life of the car |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
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2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 09:05:08 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:29:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 7/27/2017 11:17 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote: I did a quick look at the Hondas, and the small and mid size cars did not seem to even offer a v6. Just a 4 and a turbo 4. I don't care for the turbos on a street car. Why? My last car was a 2.0 turbo. I was quite happy with the performance. Today's turbos are a far cry from the Corvair or Jetfire of the sixties, or the old SVO Mustang!!! Rven the Saab turbos of rhe seventies and eighties were very crude by today's standards and were considered consumeables. Today's turbos should last the life of the car I admitt that I do not understand the whole thoughs on the street turbos. Back in the 1960's many engines had a compression ratio of about 10:1 or more. Then came the air polution acts and the compression ratios were droped to well under that. I know there is a practical limit on the compression ratio for engines. Wouldn't the turbos on the low compression engines be just about like going back up on the compression ratio ? Forcing more air into the engine is all that the turbo does doesn't it ? My thinking is the turbo is just more junk added to an engine to beat the polution rules. All this is for stree cars and not ones ran on the tracks where even with the high compression ratios are not good enough to produce the maximum power. Not checking out the turbos, do they require the higher octain (higher price ) fuel ? While not really the case, my thoughts are like one I read years ago in that there is no subistute for cubic inches. What turbos do is increase the efficiency of the engine by recouping some of the waste energy in the exhaust to compress the air going into the engine. In effect, this increases the "displacement " of the engine when required for more power under boost, while running a small low compression engine for economy when extra power is not required. Many turbo engines do require premium fuel, while some "recommend" premium fuel. The old "there is no replacement for displacement" is kinda true - but a 2.5 liter engine running 1 atmosphere of boost IS a 5 liter engine - but has the advantage of high compression as well, making it more efficient than a 5 liter normally aspirated engine. With doday's sophisticated engine controls, and particularly with GDI, the octane requirement penalty of high compression is mitigated to a large degree. |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On 7/28/2017 9:05 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:29:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 7/27/2017 11:17 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote: I did a quick look at the Hondas, and the small and mid size cars did not seem to even offer a v6. Just a 4 and a turbo 4. I don't care for the turbos on a street car. Why? My last car was a 2.0 turbo. I was quite happy with the performance. Today's turbos are a far cry from the Corvair or Jetfire of the sixties, or the old SVO Mustang!!! Rven the Saab turbos of rhe seventies and eighties were very crude by today's standards and were considered consumeables. Today's turbos should last the life of the car I admitt that I do not understand the whole thoughs on the street turbos. Back in the 1960's many engines had a compression ratio of about 10:1 or more. Then came the air polution acts and the compression ratios were droped to well under that. I know there is a practical limit on the compression ratio for engines. Wouldn't the turbos on the low compression engines be just about like going back up on the compression ratio ? Forcing more air into the engine is all that the turbo does doesn't it ? My thinking is the turbo is just more junk added to an engine to beat the polution rules. All this is for stree cars and not ones ran on the tracks where even with the high compression ratios are not good enough to produce the maximum power. Not checking out the turbos, do they require the higher octain (higher price ) fuel ? While not really the case, my thoughts are like one I read years ago in that there is no subistute for cubic inches. Turn out there is a substitute for cubic inches. My 2.0 engine is a mere 122 cubic inches. Puts out close to the same power as the old 283 Chevy block. Remember when it was a big deal to get 1 hp for 1 cu in? My Sonata was 245 hp. My Genesis is 232 cu in (3.8 ltr) and puts out 311 HP with no turbo but you can get a 3.3 liter turbo with 365. In spite of pushing the compression up, turbos today run just fine on regular 87 octane and regular oil. They don't have the turbo lag of the past. I had a '83 Mercedes with the turbo diesel. It took a few seconds for the turbo kick in. I live on a holl and it was an annoyance when I turned out of my driveway to go up the hill. |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On 07/27/2017 09:17 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
Speaking of towing a trailer, Toyota does not recommend using the Camry to tow a trailer of any size. A little oddity showed up on the Yaris forum. In Canada a Yaris can tow up to 800 pounds. In the US it can't tow anything. The Canadians must get the stronger cars off the production line :) |
2nd copy of car keys and fob?
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2nd copy of car keys and fob?
On 7/28/2017 12:05 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In spite of pushing the compression up, turbos today run just fine on regular 87 octane and regular oil. They don't have the turbo lag of the past. I had a '83 Mercedes with the turbo diesel. It took a few seconds for the turbo kick in. I live on a holl and it was an annoyance when I turned out of my driveway to go up the hill. I have never driven a turbo, so do not know how well they do. My thinkig in that knowing sort of how they work is like your 83 Mercedes. I am thinking that at low engine rpm there is not enough ehaust gas to spin up the turbo. That would not let it develop as much low end torq as a larger engine, then as the rpm went up it would develop more high end horsepower. I often wonder how the horse power ratings of the cars bult in the late 1960's compair to the ratings now. With every thing being fudged over the years. Like the 1969 Dodge I had with the 340 cuin engine. They said the factory rated it at 275 HP to get it in a drag racing class, but it was more like 320 hp the way the car ran. I don't recall seeing or have forgotten what an independant test would have shown. I know there were at least two 'standards' of HP ratings. One was the engine on a test stand under optimal conditions and the other was to put the car on a dynometer and running it. That showed up all the losses in the transmission and other things. If you get the opportunity, drive a turbo. You won't notice anything different other than smooth acceleration. It does not matter much here, but Europe has some restrictions or tax on engines larger than 1 and then 1.6 liters. The turbo is a good way to get power without displacement tax. As for HP rating, I do recall they made changes a while back. Detroit exaggerate? Nah. |
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