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How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?



Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.
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How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?



Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.

Never carry a dupe. If travelling with my wife, she has a second key.
Trusted neighboer has key to the house to get spare key if required.

Don't need a fob - but the car has keyless entry so IF we lock the
keys in, the code opens the door.
The truck is a different story. No electric locks.
The only time I've locked the keys in the truck other than on my
driveway at home (second key redilly available) I luckily left the cab
back widow unlatched and was able to get in by unbolting the cap from
the box and reaching in through that back window. Luckily I had tools
in the back of the truck. Midnight, miles from nowhere - sell phone as
a flashlight
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How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?




I don't carry a spare key around town but when my wife and I travel,
we both have a key.
If you are just worried about a lockout, get a key cut on a regular
blank (no chip). It will open the doors but it won't start the car.
Hide that.
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On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 8:49:10 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?



Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.


Hide a spare key in the vehicle. Have a third key made without the
transponder. It can still be done for many vehicles, but you might
have to ask around. Make the hole in the key a little bigger, remove a
license plate and hang the key from the screw before you reattach the
plate. On which side of the plate you place the key should be fairly
obvious.

Now, if you lose your keys, or lock them inside, all you need is a
screwdriver or anything that can be used as a screwdriver. Since the
third key has no transponder, it can't be used to start the car, just
to open it. Now retrieve your spare key and you are good to go.
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On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 7:49:10 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:

How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

Spare key and fob are in my purse.

When you go out of town?

Spare key and fob are with me always.

Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.

Yes, the magnetic key holder will fall off. Spare set of house
keys are buried in my yard, too, in one of those fake sprinkler
heads.
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In rec.autos.tech, on Sat, 22 Jul 2017 23:03:13 -0400, Ralph Mowery
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In article ,
says...

On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:48:59 -0400, micky
wrote:

How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?


Don't need a fob - but the car has keyless entry so IF we lock the
keys in, the code opens the door.
The truck is a different story. No electric locks.
The only time I've locked the keys in the truck other than on my
driveway at home (second key redilly available) I luckily left the cab
back widow unlatched and was able to get in by unbolting the cap from
the box and reaching in through that back window. Luckily I had tools
in the back of the truck. Midnight, miles from nowhere - sell phone as
a flashlight


I think it is impossiable to lock the keys in the car I have. To lock
it (you have to have the FOB near the car) just touch a spot on the door
handle. To open, just grab the handle. Trunk the same way to unlock
it,just press a button o the trunk. The fob has a key in it,but it is
sort of an electronic key so difficult to duplicate even if I wanted to.


Well, I've got a 2004 Chrysler car and even for my previous 2000, it was
expensive to make dupes. The price has gone down a lot and finding them
has gotten much easier.. It was $16 for 2 keys, and $6 apiece to cut
them. I asked about programming then and he said "It's expensive. $30
apiece" but with the directions it was free.

The fobs were $11 a piece, also free to program.

Only took me about 3 tries with each. If they want to test old codgers
for mental ability (before selling them long term care insurance) making
them program their key or their fob would be a great test.

The time to do this was now, because you have to have 2 keys and one
good fob to make these copies yourself and that's exactly what the car
came with**. If I lost anything, I'd have to use the locksmith. **Plus
one key w/o a chip.

I haven't lost my keys much, but anything is too much if I'm not
prepared. Once when I was changing clothes to go tubing, I left them in
my pants and locked them in the trunk. At the end of the day, I had to
get a ride home and back, 30 or 40 miles total.

Another time when I was 100 miles from home, I dropped a set in my trunk
and couldn't find them. I had spare car keys but had to call a friend
to leave my house key at my house (because I'd failed to replace the one
that is supposed to be buried) I don't get it but I never did find the
set I dropped in the trunk!

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On 7/22/2017 10:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:


Hide a spare key in the vehicle. Have a third key made without the
transponder. It can still be done for many vehicles, but you might
have to ask around. Make the hole in the key a little bigger, remove a
license plate and hang the key from the screw before you reattach the
plate. On which side of the plate you place the key should be fairly
obvious.

Now, if you lose your keys, or lock them inside, all you need is a
screwdriver or anything that can be used as a screwdriver. Since the
third key has no transponder, it can't be used to start the car, just
to open it. Now retrieve your spare key and you are good to go.


Does not work exactly like that with many newer cars though. Good or bad
depending on the car.

First, I cannot lock my keys in the car. Many of the keyless ignitions
will not let you lock the door when you exit if the fob is inside. That
is a good thing. I also have a key that will work. I don't know how
easily made it is. It has no chip but is an odd shape not like most
keys and it stores in the fob. It is laser cut. The purpose of it is to
use if the fob battery dies but if you lose the fob you lose the key
with it.

If I did get one made I imagine I could find a way to mount it behind
the license plate. Not enough meat to drill out large enough.

Types of keys
https://www.edmunds.com/car-care/the...your-keys.html
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On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 10:29:18 PM UTC-5, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 7:49:10 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:

How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

Spare key and fob are in my purse.

When you go out of town?

Spare key and fob are with me always.

Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.

Yes, the magnetic key holder will fall off. Spare set of house
keys are buried in my yard, too, in one of those fake sprinkler
heads.


When I was working, I had a keyring on my belt with extra keys to my vehicles. There was always the chance that I'd lock my purse inside my service van. I did lock my keys inside my vehicles more than once when my exit routine was interrupted by some distraction like a pretty girl walking across the parking lot but I simply unclipped a keyring from my belt and unlocked the door. The gas cap key was on my belt too but I never left my vehicle unlocked at a service station. Heck, I even had extra house keys along with extra keys to everything on a separate keyring on my belt. I kept everything locked up including the basement where I kept the young Hippy woman hitchhiker I kidnapped. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

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micky wrote:
How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?

Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.


My car has a keyed door lock and no ignition rfid or resistor so I had a
key made for $1 and wired it up under the car. Yah, I have gotten dirty
crawling under the car to find and unwire the key but it is in a safe place.




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in town?


Always a spare key in my wallet. Don't need a spare fob.

The wallet is almost always in my pocket. I mainly use my purse
as a table computer case.

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On 07/22/2017 09:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

[snip]

Hide a spare key in the vehicle. Have a third key made without the
transponder. It can still be done for many vehicles, but you might
have to ask around. Make the hole in the key a little bigger, remove a
license plate and hang the key from the screw before you reattach the
plate. On which side of the plate you place the key should be fairly
obvious.


I would hide the key in some place no one else knows about, so a place
mentioned in public is NOT suitable.

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On 7/22/2017 10:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 8:49:10 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?



Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.


Hide a spare key in the vehicle. Have a third key made without the
transponder. It can still be done for many vehicles, but you might
have to ask around. Make the hole in the key a little bigger, remove a
license plate and hang the key from the screw before you reattach the
plate. On which side of the plate you place the key should be fairly
obvious.

Now, if you lose your keys, or lock them inside, all you need is a
screwdriver or anything that can be used as a screwdriver. Since the
third key has no transponder, it can't be used to start the car, just
to open it. Now retrieve your spare key and you are good to go.

Someone suggested you hide the spare key with the transponder in the
driving compartment and can get keys made without the transponder that
will then work.

When I bought a new Subaru last year, I told the sales lady that I
always carry a spare key in my wallet. The Subaru spare key is called
something like a chauffeurs key as it will not open glove compartment
and is not a remote. The key fob was bulbous and I told her I might cut
it off but she told me it would not work because of the built in device.
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The Subaru spare key is called something like a chauffeurs key as it
will not open glove compartment and is not a remote.


A.K.A. Valet Key
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On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 11:33:38 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 7/22/2017 10:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 8:49:10 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?



Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.


Hide a spare key in the vehicle. Have a third key made without the
transponder. It can still be done for many vehicles, but you might
have to ask around. Make the hole in the key a little bigger, remove a
license plate and hang the key from the screw before you reattach the
plate. On which side of the plate you place the key should be fairly
obvious.

Now, if you lose your keys, or lock them inside, all you need is a
screwdriver or anything that can be used as a screwdriver. Since the
third key has no transponder, it can't be used to start the car, just
to open it. Now retrieve your spare key and you are good to go.

Someone suggested you hide the spare key with the transponder in the
driving compartment and can get keys made without the transponder that
will then work.

When I bought a new Subaru last year, I told the sales lady that I
always carry a spare key in my wallet. The Subaru spare key is called
something like a chauffeurs key as it will not open glove compartment
and is not a remote. The key fob was bulbous and I told her I might cut
it off but she told me it would not work because of the built in device.


You need to define "work" more specifically. True, it will not work to start the vehicle,
but it should work to unlock the door. Once the door is unlocked, you can retrieve the
spare transponder key that you have hidden in the vehicle. The key you are speaking
of is typically called a "valet key". You don't want it to open the glove compartment or
the trunk, but it has to open the door and start the car so the valet can drive it. If you
cut the transponder off, it should still unlock the door.
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On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 10:08:26 AM UTC-4, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 07/22/2017 09:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

[snip]

Hide a spare key in the vehicle. Have a third key made without the
transponder. It can still be done for many vehicles, but you might
have to ask around. Make the hole in the key a little bigger, remove a
license plate and hang the key from the screw before you reattach the
plate. On which side of the plate you place the key should be fairly
obvious.


I would hide the key in some place no one else knows about, so a place
mentioned in public is NOT suitable.


Right, because car thieves always take the time to remove the license plates to
look for a key that will only open the door but not start it. ;-)



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On 7/23/2017 2:46 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 11:33:38 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 7/22/2017 10:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 8:49:10 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?



Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.

Hide a spare key in the vehicle. Have a third key made without the
transponder. It can still be done for many vehicles, but you might
have to ask around. Make the hole in the key a little bigger, remove a
license plate and hang the key from the screw before you reattach the
plate. On which side of the plate you place the key should be fairly
obvious.

Now, if you lose your keys, or lock them inside, all you need is a
screwdriver or anything that can be used as a screwdriver. Since the
third key has no transponder, it can't be used to start the car, just
to open it. Now retrieve your spare key and you are good to go.

Someone suggested you hide the spare key with the transponder in the
driving compartment and can get keys made without the transponder that
will then work.

When I bought a new Subaru last year, I told the sales lady that I
always carry a spare key in my wallet. The Subaru spare key is called
something like a chauffeurs key as it will not open glove compartment
and is not a remote. The key fob was bulbous and I told her I might cut
it off but she told me it would not work because of the built in device.


You need to define "work" more specifically. True, it will not work to start the vehicle,
but it should work to unlock the door. Once the door is unlocked, you can retrieve the
spare transponder key that you have hidden in the vehicle. The key you are speaking
of is typically called a "valet key". You don't want it to open the glove compartment or
the trunk, but it has to open the door and start the car so the valet can drive it. If you
cut the transponder off, it should still unlock the door.

Yes that is a better definition. Key probably does not work in glove
compartment but once in car you can unlock trunk without a key.

I just put the clunky key in my wallet. It is not that bad but if I
could not tolerate extra bulge would get a key without it.

I locked myself out of the car when I was 17 and had to walk a mile home
to get another. Have carried a spare since.
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On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 11:29:18 PM UTC-4, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 7:49:10 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:

How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

Spare key and fob are in my purse.

When you go out of town?

Spare key and fob are with me always.

Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.

Yes, the magnetic key holder will fall off. Spare set of house
keys are buried in my yard, too, in one of those fake sprinkler
heads.


Regarding spare house keys...

I have 3 electronic keypad locks, 1 for each entry door and the garage door opener.
Plus, my cars have built-in garage door openers. The odds of all three sets of keypad
batteries being dead and the power being out at the same time are ridiculously slim,
especially since both entry door locks warn me when the batteries are getting weak, but
long before they die.

I haven't carried a house key in many, many years. I guess SWMBO could disable
everything, but luckily she still likes me. I do my best to keep it that way. ;-)
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On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 3:40:56 PM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
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heads.

Regarding spare house keys...

I have 3 electronic keypad locks, 1 for each entry door and the garage door opener.
Plus, my cars have built-in garage door openers. The odds of all three sets of keypad
batteries being dead and the power being out at the same time are ridiculously slim,
especially since both entry door locks warn me when the batteries are getting weak, but
long before they die.

I haven't carried a house key in many, many years. I guess SWMBO could disable
everything, but luckily she still likes me. I do my best to keep it that way. ;-)



We bought a new house about 10 years ago. My wife locked herself out
several times, but I came home about a half hour later and let her in.
The garage door has a keypad to enter numbers in, so I hid a spare key
in the garage. So if locked out, enter the number and most of the time
the door to the house is not locked,but if it is, find the spare key.
The childern which are grown now and out of the house know how to get in
if they need to when we are not here.


That works as long as there isn't a power failure, unless of course your GDO
has a battery back-up. Electronic door locks don't have power failure issues as
long as you keep decent batteries installed. With most electronic door locks,
it's hard not to, unless you ignore the warnings for a long, long time.
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We bought a new house about 10 years ago. My wife locked herself out
several times, but I came home about a half hour later and let her in.
The garage door has a keypad to enter numbers in, so I hid a spare key
in the garage. So if locked out, enter the number and most of the time
the door to the house is not locked,but if it is, find the spare key.
The childern which are grown now and out of the house know how to get in
if they need to when we are not here.


That works as long as there isn't a power failure, unless of course your GDO
has a battery back-up. Electronic door locks don't have power failure issues as
long as you keep decent batteries installed. With most electronic door locks,
it's hard not to, unless you ignore the warnings for a long, long time.


I have a key hidden in the garage too and a code pad. Better yet, I put
in a new slider door in the family room. Unlike the old door, I cannot
slam it shut to lock. I have to use a key to lock it and it save some
accidental ooops!
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On 7/22/2017 10:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 8:49:10 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?



Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.


Hide a spare key in the vehicle. Have a third key made without the
transponder. It can still be done for many vehicles, but you might
have to ask around. Make the hole in the key a little bigger, remove a
license plate and hang the key from the screw before you reattach the
plate. On which side of the plate you place the key should be fairly
obvious.

Now, if you lose your keys, or lock them inside, all you need is a
screwdriver or anything that can be used as a screwdriver. Since the
third key has no transponder, it can't be used to start the car, just
to open it. Now retrieve your spare key and you are good to go.

Someone suggested you hide the spare key with the transponder in the
driving compartment and can get keys made without the transponder that
will then work.

When I bought a new Subaru last year, I told the sales lady that I
always carry a spare key in my wallet. The Subaru spare key is called
something like a chauffeurs key as it will not open glove compartment
and is not a remote. The key fob was bulbous and I told her I might cut
it off but she told me it would not work because of the built in device.


Better than ruining a duplicate key just to make it thinner, you should
make a copy of it on a non-chip-key blank They are flat, not bulbous
and cost no more than a duplicate house key and can be made almost
anywhere.

Then you make a good point that you could enter the car, turn the
ignition to Run, use the button to unlock the trunk (on those cars that
have that, as mine does) and get a real chip key out of the trunk,
where you have hidden it. Perhaps if car theft is a verrrry serious risk
in an 8 oz can of waterless handcleaner

Not only could you do that but I could do that. It seems like a good
idea.

You can also make copies of most keys out of plastic, or that are part
of a credit-card size piece of plastic, so they fit in a wallet better.

The only time you should ruin a chip key is if you wish to hide it above
the ignition key slot so that a remote starter will start the car. But
you can just as easily place a complete key there. Then fwiw no one
will need a chip key. My owners manual, 2004 Sebring, says that I
can't use a remote starter, but I suspect they are wrong.
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On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 8:49:10 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?



Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.


Hide a spare key in the vehicle. Have a third key made without the
transponder. It can still be done for many vehicles, but you might
have to ask around. Make the hole in the key a little bigger, remove a
license plate and hang the key from the screw before you reattach the
plate. On which side of the plate you place the key should be fairly
obvious.


That's a pretty good idea. I'll use the left side.


Now, if you lose your keys, or lock them inside, all you need is a
screwdriver or anything that can be used as a screwdriver. Since the
third key has no transponder, it can't be used to start the car, just
to open it. Now retrieve your spare key and you are good to go.




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the license plate. Not enough meat to drill out large enough.

Types of keys
https://www.edmunds.com/car-care/the...your-keys.html


BTW, my non-chip key and my not-yet programmed chip keys will start the
car, but it stalls after a few seconds.


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In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 22 Jul 2017 23:09:37 -0500, Paul in Houston
TX wrote:

micky wrote:
How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?

Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.


My car has a keyed door lock and no ignition rfid or resistor so I had a
key made for $1 and wired it up under the car.


That's a good idea too.

Yah, I have gotten dirty


I'm already dirty.

crawling under the car to find and unwire the key but it is in a safe place.


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The only time you should ruin a chip key is if you wish to hide it above
the ignition key slot so that a remote starter will start the car. But


By this, I don't mean to chop off the bulbous parts of the key. I mean
to cut the key in half where the metal part meets the plastic part.
Then you can conceal the plastic, chip-key part near the ignition switch
so remote starters will work. But then the metal part won't be long
enough even to open the door, so don't damage the key at all.


you can just as easily place a complete key there. Then fwiw no one
will need a chip key. My owners manual, 2004 Sebring, says that I
can't use a remote starter, but I suspect they are wrong.


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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 23 Jul 2017 11:33:30 -0400, Frank "frank
wrote:

On 7/22/2017 10:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 8:49:10 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?



Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.

Hide a spare key in the vehicle. Have a third key made without the
transponder. It can still be done for many vehicles, but you might
have to ask around. Make the hole in the key a little bigger, remove a
license plate and hang the key from the screw before you reattach the
plate. On which side of the plate you place the key should be fairly
obvious.

Now, if you lose your keys, or lock them inside, all you need is a
screwdriver or anything that can be used as a screwdriver. Since the
third key has no transponder, it can't be used to start the car, just
to open it. Now retrieve your spare key and you are good to go.

Someone suggested you hide the spare key with the transponder in the
driving compartment and can get keys made without the transponder that
will then work.

When I bought a new Subaru last year, I told the sales lady that I
always carry a spare key in my wallet. The Subaru spare key is called
something like a chauffeurs key as it will not open glove compartment
and is not a remote. The key fob was bulbous and I told her I might cut
it off but she told me it would not work because of the built in device.


Better than ruining a duplicate key just to make it thinner, you should
make a copy of it on a non-chip-key blank They are flat, not bulbous
and cost no more than a duplicate house key and can be made almost
anywhere.



You can also make copies of most keys out of plastic, or that are part
of a credit-card size piece of plastic, so they fit in a wallet better.

The only time you should ruin a chip key is if you wish to hide it above
the ignition key slot so that a remote starter will start the car. But
you can just as easily place a complete key there. Then fwiw no one
will need a chip key. My owners manual, 2004 Sebring, says that I
can't use a remote starter, but I suspect they are wrong.


Really burns me up that the duplicate keya are so expensive. With all
the inexpensive electronic gear out that is much more complicated
someone is making a killing on the duplicate car keys.

I just bought a new 2017 Toyota (would have gotten the 18, but they are
butt ugly). It has the keyless start where you just push a button, and
even the doors will lock and unlock with just a touch of your hand if
you have the FOB with you.

The key fits inside the fob. It is a flat piece of metal and there are
some notchies on the side. I have not had time to check it out,but
think that key has some kind of electronics in it also. That way you
can use the key if the battery in the fob goes bad. The book says the
fob battery will only last about 2 years. I guess it is sending out a
signal all the time. The push button to unlock the doors on the other
car and truck fobs are 10 years old and still work.




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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 23:09:37 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

[...] the key but it is in a safe place.


After my Dad first locked himself out of his '69 Pontiac, he always put a
spare set in the air breather outside of the air filter. (In those days,
one did not need to release the hood from inside the car.)

Things went okay until my brother locked himself out of the car one day,
and used the spare set, but by mistake put it back in the air breather
inside of the air filter.

A few weeks later, my Dad was driving the whole family on a sinuous gravel
road, and an impatient lead-foot in a pickup truck was tailing us way too
close because we were going too slow for him I guess. When we got to the
next fairly long strait stretch, my Dad slowed down and pulled to the right
to let him go by. But instead of just pulling to the left and advancing
ahead of us in a reasonable manner, the pickup gunned it, presumably to
make us eat more of his dust than necessary and shower our windshield with
a few pounds of road gravel.

I'm not sure of the exact displacement of our Pontiac, (389""" IIRC), but
it did have a 4-barrel V-8. And there was still enough room on the
straitaway for my Dad to go by the pickup truck and shower him with a few
pounds of road gravel.

However, flooring the gas pedal had the effect of causing the spare keys to
fall into the open throttle, effectively blocking it wide open. My Dad had
the time to *try* to lift up the linkage rod under the pedal (to no avail),
but with the straightaway coming to an end had to start controlling the
engine power by turning the ignition off and on repeatedly. Of course, he
could have simply turned it off completely, but he did not want to 'lose
face' with the stranger driving the pickup truck.

Every time he turned the ignition 'on', there was a huge flaming explosion
as the unburned fuel-air mix was ignited, until we were far enough ahead of
the pickup and luckily had reached the place where the new road made a
sharp turn, but the old road leading nowhere was still passable.

In case little kids might be reading this, I won't repeat here what was
said to my brother when my Dad found the cause of the carburator
malfunction.


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On 7/23/2017 11:32 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:

I just bought a new 2017 Toyota (would have gotten the 18, but they are
butt ugly).


Yes, they are. Looks like the grafted part of the ugly Lexus grill on
the front of it.





The key fits inside the fob. It is a flat piece of metal and there are
some notchies on the side. I have not had time to check it out,but
think that key has some kind of electronics in it also. That way you
can use the key if the battery in the fob goes bad. The book says the
fob battery will only last about 2 years. I guess it is sending out a
signal all the time. The push button to unlock the doors on the other
car and truck fobs are 10 years old and still work.


Sounds like the same setup I have on my Genesis. I don't think the key
has electronics. I've had the car for 22 months and just put the second
battery in the fob. My wife has never used hers and I just put the
first battery in that one.


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In rec.autos.tech, on Mon, 24 Jul 2017 00:10:44 -0400, Mike_Duffy
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 23:09:37 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

[...] the key but it is in a safe place.


After my Dad first locked himself out of his '69 Pontiac, he always put a
spare set in the air breather outside of the air filter. (In those days,
one did not need to release the hood from inside the car.)


I remember.

Things went okay until my brother locked himself out of the car one day,
and used the spare set, but by mistake put it back in the air breather
inside of the air filter.

A few weeks later, my Dad was driving the whole family on a sinuous gravel
road, and an impatient lead-foot in a pickup truck was tailing us way too
close because we were going too slow for him I guess. When we got to the
next fairly long strait stretch, my Dad slowed down and pulled to the right
to let him go by. But instead of just pulling to the left and advancing
ahead of us in a reasonable manner, the pickup gunned it, presumably to
make us eat more of his dust than necessary and shower our windshield with
a few pounds of road gravel.

I'm not sure of the exact displacement of our Pontiac, (389""" IIRC), but
it did have a 4-barrel V-8.


I only had one of those, a '58 Ford... well it was my mother's and the
salesman told her it was used by the state police.

And there was still enough room on the
straitaway for my Dad to go by the pickup truck and shower him with a few
pounds of road gravel.

However, flooring the gas pedal had the effect of causing the spare keys to
fall into the open throttle, effectively blocking it wide open. My Dad had
the time to *try* to lift up the linkage rod under the pedal (to no avail),
but with the straightaway coming to an end had to start controlling the
engine power by turning the ignition off and on repeatedly. Of course, he
could have simply turned it off completely, but he did not want to 'lose
face' with the stranger driving the pickup truck.


ROTFLWTIME


Every time he turned the ignition 'on', there was a huge flaming explosion
as the unburned fuel-air mix was ignited, until we were far enough ahead of
the pickup and luckily had reached the place where the new road made a
sharp turn, but the old road leading nowhere was still passable.

In case little kids might be reading this, I won't repeat here what was
said to my brother when my Dad found the cause of the carburator
malfunction.


So after you stopped the car, I presume you could get the keys out and
it was normal again?
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 02:58:42 -0400, micky wrote:

So after you stopped the car, I presume you could get the keys out and
it was normal again?


Yes. Normal except my Mom didn't speak to my Dad the rest of the way home.
I suppose that for her, the safety of the kids was more important than a
masculine expression of roadway etiquette. Us kids were not worried,
because that was was the first car we had with seat belts, and we always
buckled-up, even on twisty low-speed gravel.

A week later, you could still see black patches where the explosions had
blown away the loose gravel from the hardpacked sections.
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On 7/22/17 8:48 PM, micky wrote:
How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?



Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.


My recent model upscale ride has keyless ignition and proximity sensors.
With the fob in my pocket, locked front doors open when I grab either
handle and the trunk opens when I touch its hidden sensor.

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On 07/24/2017 06:54 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 7/22/17 8:48 PM, micky wrote:
How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when
you're in town?

When you go out of town?

Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years,
but I stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey
buried in my yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic
keyholders for cars. I thought either it would fall off or someone
would find it, since there are so few good places to put it. So I
carried the dupe in my pocket.


My recent model upscale ride has keyless ignition and proximity
sensors. With the fob in my pocket, locked front doors open when I
grab either handle and the trunk opens when I touch its hidden
sensor.


Having keyless ignition without proximity sensors seems annoyingly
useless. You have the key in your hand to open the door, but where do
you put it then if not in the handy storage slot? Drop it on the floor?
Put it in a nonexistent pocket? On the seat where it can drop down
into the memory hole between the seats? In my purse where I have to
spend time finding it when I have to lock the car when I leave?

Friend's Lexus has the prox sensors, but you have to push a button on
the key to lock it when you leave. The side mirrors obligingly fold
down when it's locked so you know that it's locked.

One more useless thing that will probably immobilize the car when
Something Goes Wrong.

I do like having a modern key, though. Although I thought it was kind
of dumb before I had it, just pushing a button (sometimes exactly the
wrong one) to open things is nice.

Speaking of infinity holes... My husband's wallet fell out of his suit
pocket and into the memory hole, where we didn't find it for two years.
We thought it was stolen out of the house and caused major nuisance.

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How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?



Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.


It depends on the car regarding keys and fobs.

I would not hide it behind a license plate. If they want to steal the car
they will switch plates and find the key.

I have newer cars and keyless start with fobs. I haven't really thought
about losing the key/fob. You just gave me agita worrying about it.

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On 7/24/2017 12:28 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

Having keyless ignition without proximity sensors seems annoyingly
useless. You have the key in your hand to open the door, but where do
you put it then if not in the handy storage slot? Drop it on the floor?
Put it in a nonexistent pocket? On the seat where it can drop down
into the memory hole between the seats? In my purse where I have to
spend time finding it when I have to lock the car when I leave?

Friend's Lexus has the prox sensors, but you have to push a button on
the key to lock it when you leave. The side mirrors obligingly fold
down when it's locked so you know that it's locked.


My Genesis can be locked by touching a button on the handle. One touch,
all doors lock. You can open the trunk just by standing in back of the
car for 3 seconds. I've found that to be very handy at times.

The Lexus doors should lock with the handle too. Maybe that model does
not or your friend does not know how to do it.

With all the technology in cars, it is very possible to not know of some
features. Or dual function buttons that do different thing in different
modes.

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On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 11:33:38 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 7/22/2017 10:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 8:49:10 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
How many of you carry a 2nd copy of your car keys and fob, when you're
in town?

When you go out of town?



Before I had a fob, I carried a second car key for 10 or 20 years, but I
stopped a while ago. I have a spare housekey and carkey buried in my
yard somewhere, but I've never trusted magnetic keyholders for cars. I
thought either it would fall off or someone would find it, since there
are so few good places to put it. So I carried the dupe in my pocket.

Hide a spare key in the vehicle. Have a third key made without the
transponder. It can still be done for many vehicles, but you might
have to ask around. Make the hole in the key a little bigger, remove a
license plate and hang the key from the screw before you reattach the
plate. On which side of the plate you place the key should be fairly
obvious.

Now, if you lose your keys, or lock them inside, all you need is a
screwdriver or anything that can be used as a screwdriver. Since the
third key has no transponder, it can't be used to start the car, just
to open it. Now retrieve your spare key and you are good to go.

Someone suggested you hide the spare key with the transponder in the
driving compartment and can get keys made without the transponder that
will then work.

When I bought a new Subaru last year, I told the sales lady that I
always carry a spare key in my wallet. The Subaru spare key is called
something like a chauffeurs key as it will not open glove compartment
and is not a remote. The key fob was bulbous and I told her I might cut
it off but she told me it would not work because of the built in device.


You need to define "work" more specifically. True, it will not work to start the vehicle,
but it should work to unlock the door. Once the door is unlocked, you can retrieve the
spare transponder key that you have hidden in the vehicle. The key you are speaking
of is typically called a "valet key". You don't want it to open the glove compartment or
the trunk, but it has to open the door and start the car so the valet can drive it. If you
cut the transponder off, it should still unlock the door.


On my cars one cannot lock the transponder in the car. It does not have a
conventional metal key. I don't know how to handle it.

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On my cars one cannot lock the transponder in the car. It does not have a
conventional metal key. I don't know how to handle it.


I had an issue with the sensor for the rear hatch always sensing "door
open" even when it was closed AND locked. Any attempt to lock a different
door would result in the computer unlocking all the doors to 'remind' you
that a door is open. Presumably this is to help prevent someone from
accidentally locking the keys in the car.

In order to lock all doors, I needed to either:

(1) Roll down the driver window, and enter the code to lock all doors.

(2) Turn everything off by removing the key from the switch, then pressing
the interior 'lock all doors' button.


In your case, since you need to be outside of the car after it is locked, I
would opt for (1), except put the window up first.

If that does not work, try wrapping aluminum foil around the transponder.
(It is not clear if having a transponder in the car causes your problem.)
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On 07/24/2017 10:43 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/24/2017 12:28 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

Having keyless ignition without proximity sensors seems annoyingly
useless. You have the key in your hand to open the door, but where do
you put it then if not in the handy storage slot? Drop it on the floor?
Put it in a nonexistent pocket? On the seat where it can drop down
into the memory hole between the seats? In my purse where I have to
spend time finding it when I have to lock the car when I leave?

Friend's Lexus has the prox sensors, but you have to push a button on
the key to lock it when you leave. The side mirrors obligingly fold
down when it's locked so you know that it's locked.


My Genesis can be locked by touching a button on the handle. One touch,
all doors lock. You can open the trunk just by standing in back of the
car for 3 seconds. I've found that to be very handy at times.

The Lexus doors should lock with the handle too. Maybe that model does
not or your friend does not know how to do it.


He probably does, he just told me how to do it when I went to his car to
get something. He calls my Corolla the cheap Lexus.

With all the technology in cars, it is very possible to not know of some
features. Or dual function buttons that do different thing in different
modes.


The Lexus was a nice car to drive. If my mom had asked my advice I
would have told her to get one instead of the POS 88 Caddy which
replaced the POS 78 Caddy. Not as much fun to drive as the S2000,
though, even if I botched half the shifts.

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