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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 06:40:44 -0500, philo wrote:

Most of the houses in my neighborhood were built in the late 19th or
early 20th century.


Recently someone totally rebuilt a house near here, they stripped it
down to the 2 x 4's and rebuilt...they even put in a new foundation.

At first I wondered why they did not raze it entirely until I realized
the old style 2 x 4's are superior to the ones used today.

They actually measure 2" x 4" and use better wood that today's soft pine.

My question is: what kind of wood was actually used.


In my early 1950s, California, cheap tract house, the framing is rough-sawn redwood. Whether
it's coast redwood, or high-sierra redwood, I don't know. Anyway, nails don't stay nailed very
well, but the bugs have given it a pass.

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IDK what they used back then, but 2x4s today are not pine, they are
Douglas Fir.


Only if you're in the western US or Canada (or Japan/China where most
Doug fir is exported to)...the kids in the lumber yards around here
don't even know what "Doug fur" is; some kind of pet, maybe???

Douglas Fir is WAY too valuable to be used for residential framing,
even here in Canada./ What we buy is labled as "SPF" = meaning mixed
softwood - loosely spruce, pine and fir - but the fir is seldom
"douglas Fir" (more likely Balsam in the east and Alpine in the west)
and there is sometimes a bit of tamarac and hemlock mixed in.


Same here in Florida at the borgs. It would be difficult to even find
douglas fir and, if so, it would not be cheap. I have trouble imagining
it - a western wood - winding up in New Jersey when SYP or SFP is much
closer and cheaper/


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On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 5:59:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:43:45 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 03/19/2017 9:39 AM, trader_4 wrote:
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IDK what they used back then, but 2x4s today are not pine, they are Douglas Fir.


Only if you're in the western US or Canada (or Japan/China where most
Doug fir is exported to)...the kids in the lumber yards around here
don't even know what "Doug fur" is; some kind of pet, maybe???

Douglas Fir is WAY too valuable to be used for residential framing,
even here in Canada./


Maybe true in Canada, but HD and lumberyards in the US are full of
cheap 2x4s made of Douglas Fir.


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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:43:45 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 03/19/2017 9:39 AM, trader_4 wrote:
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IDK what they used back then, but 2x4s today are not pine, they are
Douglas Fir.

Only if you're in the western US or Canada (or Japan/China where most
Doug fir is exported to)...the kids in the lumber yards around here
don't even know what "Doug fur" is; some kind of pet, maybe???

Douglas Fir is WAY too valuable to be used for residential framing,
even here in Canada./ What we buy is labled as "SPF" = meaning mixed
softwood - loosely spruce, pine and fir - but the fir is seldom
"douglas Fir" (more likely Balsam in the east and Alpine in the west)
and there is sometimes a bit of tamarac and hemlock mixed in.


Same here in Florida at the borgs. It would be difficult to even find
douglas fir and, if so, it would not be cheap. I have trouble imagining
it - a western wood - winding up in New Jersey when SYP or SFP is much
closer and cheaper/


Better take that up with Home Depot:


2 in. x 4 in. x 96 in. Prime Kiln-Dried Douglas Fir Stud



2 in. x 4 in. x 96 in. Prime Kiln-Dried Douglas Fir Stud
5.0 out of 5
(2) Write a Review
Questions & Answers (2)
$3.13 /each



Neptune, NJ store.
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 08:50:28 -0700 (PDT)
trader_4 wrote:

On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 5:59:20 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:43:45 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 03/19/2017 9:39 AM, trader_4 wrote:
...

IDK what they used back then, but 2x4s today are not pine, they
are Douglas Fir.

Only if you're in the western US or Canada (or Japan/China where
most Doug fir is exported to)...the kids in the lumber yards
around here don't even know what "Doug fur" is; some kind of pet,
maybe???

Douglas Fir is WAY too valuable to be used for residential framing,
even here in Canada./


Maybe true in Canada, but HD and lumberyards in the US are full of
cheap 2x4s made of Douglas Fir.



Only in your town...


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On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 08:55:46 -0700 (PDT)
trader_4 wrote:

On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 10:56:49 AM UTC-4, dadiOH wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:43:45 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 03/19/2017 9:39 AM, trader_4 wrote:
...

IDK what they used back then, but 2x4s today are not pine, they
are Douglas Fir.

Only if you're in the western US or Canada (or Japan/China where
most Doug fir is exported to)...the kids in the lumber yards
around here don't even know what "Doug fur" is; some kind of pet,
maybe???
Douglas Fir is WAY too valuable to be used for residential
framing, even here in Canada./ What we buy is labled as "SPF" =
meaning mixed softwood - loosely spruce, pine and fir - but the
fir is seldom "douglas Fir" (more likely Balsam in the east and
Alpine in the west) and there is sometimes a bit of tamarac and
hemlock mixed in.


Same here in Florida at the borgs. It would be difficult to even
find douglas fir and, if so, it would not be cheap. I have trouble
imagining it - a western wood - winding up in New Jersey when SYP
or SFP is much closer and cheaper/


Better take that up with Home Depot:


2 in. x 4 in. x 96 in. Prime Kiln-Dried Douglas Fir Stud



2 in. x 4 in. x 96 in. Prime Kiln-Dried Douglas Fir Stud
5.0 out of 5
(2) Write a Review
Questions & Answers (2)
$3.13 /each



Neptune, NJ store.


Well then that means every store all across the fruited plains has
them...

****ing pathetic You really show your ass every day..
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"trader_4" wrote in message
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On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 10:56:49 AM UTC-4, dadiOH wrote:
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:43:45 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 03/19/2017 9:39 AM, trader_4 wrote:
...

IDK what they used back then, but 2x4s today are not pine, they are
Douglas Fir.

Only if you're in the western US or Canada (or Japan/China where most
Doug fir is exported to)...the kids in the lumber yards around here
don't even know what "Doug fur" is; some kind of pet, maybe???
Douglas Fir is WAY too valuable to be used for residential framing,
even here in Canada./ What we buy is labled as "SPF" = meaning mixed
softwood - loosely spruce, pine and fir - but the fir is seldom
"douglas Fir" (more likely Balsam in the east and Alpine in the west)
and there is sometimes a bit of tamarac and hemlock mixed in.


Same here in Florida at the borgs. It would be difficult to even find
douglas fir and, if so, it would not be cheap. I have trouble imagining
it - a western wood - winding up in New Jersey when SYP or SFP is much
closer and cheaper/


Better take that up with Home Depot:


2 in. x 4 in. x 96 in. Prime Kiln-Dried Douglas Fir Stud



2 in. x 4 in. x 96 in. Prime Kiln-Dried Douglas Fir Stud
5.0 out of 5
(2) Write a Review
Questions & Answers (2)
$3.13 /each


Neptune, NJ store.


Strange, no douglas fir shows of on that store's page for studs. Yellow
pine, yes but not in stock. The ubiquitous "whitewood" (SFP) yes but no
douglas fir. Got a better link?
http://www.homedepot.com/s/wood%2520stud?NCNI-5


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On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 7:09:39 PM UTC-4, dadiOH wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message
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On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 10:56:49 AM UTC-4, dadiOH wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 09:43:45 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 03/19/2017 9:39 AM, trader_4 wrote:
...

IDK what they used back then, but 2x4s today are not pine, they are
Douglas Fir.

Only if you're in the western US or Canada (or Japan/China where most
Doug fir is exported to)...the kids in the lumber yards around here
don't even know what "Doug fur" is; some kind of pet, maybe???
Douglas Fir is WAY too valuable to be used for residential framing,
even here in Canada./ What we buy is labled as "SPF" = meaning mixed
softwood - loosely spruce, pine and fir - but the fir is seldom
"douglas Fir" (more likely Balsam in the east and Alpine in the west)
and there is sometimes a bit of tamarac and hemlock mixed in.

Same here in Florida at the borgs. It would be difficult to even find
douglas fir and, if so, it would not be cheap. I have trouble imagining
it - a western wood - winding up in New Jersey when SYP or SFP is much
closer and cheaper/


Better take that up with Home Depot:


2 in. x 4 in. x 96 in. Prime Kiln-Dried Douglas Fir Stud



2 in. x 4 in. x 96 in. Prime Kiln-Dried Douglas Fir Stud
5.0 out of 5
(2) Write a Review
Questions & Answers (2)
$3.13 /each


Neptune, NJ store.


Strange, no douglas fir shows of on that store's page for studs. Yellow
pine, yes but not in stock. The ubiquitous "whitewood" (SFP) yes but no
douglas fir. Got a better link?
http://www.homedepot.com/s/wood%2520stud?NCNI-5


They show up as Douglas Fir 2x4s in the Neptune store when I
did the search. That's what I quoted from above. IDK what
more you want.
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On 03/20/2017 05:09 PM, dadiOH wrote:
Strange, no douglas fir shows of on that store's page for studs. Yellow
pine, yes but not in stock. The ubiquitous "whitewood" (SFP) yes but no
douglas fir. Got a better link?


That's a new (to me) use of 'whitewood'. I've always heard it used for
poplar or any of the hardwoods with no prominent grain or color that you
can doll up to resemble more expensive cabinet woods.
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On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 8:47:29 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
On 03/20/2017 05:09 PM, dadiOH wrote:
Strange, no douglas fir shows of on that store's page for studs. Yellow
pine, yes but not in stock. The ubiquitous "whitewood" (SFP) yes but no
douglas fir. Got a better link?


That's a new (to me) use of 'whitewood'. I've always heard it used for
poplar or any of the hardwoods with no prominent grain or color that you
can doll up to resemble more expensive cabinet woods.


I've seen it on the display of SPF studs at Home Despot.

Cindy Hamilton


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