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Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it.
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On 1/29/2017 1:09 PM, Newgene McMensa wrote:
Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy Anything is better than 8.1 IMO. I'd go with W7. I find it a bit better than XP. W10 is not so bad either. |
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On 1/29/2017 1:09 PM, Newgene McMensa wrote:
Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy If ease of use is your goal, consider Microsoft Bob Desktop running on Windows for Workgroups 3.11 My next choice would be Windows 10. |
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On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 1:09:54 PM UTC-5, Newgene McMensa wrote:
Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy I've used XP, then Win 7, and now 10. NEver used 8, but 7 is very similar user interface to XP. Win 10 is a bit different, but not as different as I feared based on some reviews and quick looks at it at stores. Given the choice and support level, between XP and 7, I'd go with 7. Win 10 is by far the best, most stable MSFT OS IMO. |
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Newgene McMensa wrote:
Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy 7 is a lot like Vista , I personally prefer XP Pro ... I have no experiencewith anything newer but I hear 10 invades your privacy significantly - and by default puts all your stuff in the cloud . I prefer to store my stuff right here at home . -- Snag |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 13:30:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/29/2017 1:09 PM, Newgene McMensa wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy Anything is better than 8.1 IMO. I'd go with W7. I find it a bit better than XP. W10 is not so bad either. I prefer Win 7. OP: Windows downgrade rights To use prior versions of Windows software on PCs installed with newer versions, it is possible for consumers to obtain a license for downgrade rights. These downgrade rights will vary depending on if the software was acquired via Volume Licensing, OEM, or FPP. To learn more about these rights, review the downgrade rights licensing brief. URL: (for the PDF) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/licensing/learn-more/brief-downgrade-rights.aspx |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 10:09:01 -0800, "Newgene McMensa"
wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy, See this before you think further about XP. My wife has Vista. Extended support will end in April. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet She will get a new system with Win 10 in a few weeks. |
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On 1/29/2017 1:41 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Newgene McMensa wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy 7 is a lot like Vista , I personally prefer XP Pro ... I have no experiencewith anything newer but I hear 10 invades your privacy significantly - and by default puts all your stuff in the cloud . I prefer to store my stuff right here at home . You just have to watch the setup. Nothing of mine goes to the cloud, never did, never will. |
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On 01/29/2017 12:09 PM, Newgene McMensa wrote:
Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy Although I've been a Linux user since about the year 2000 I still support Windows machines ...at one time on a daily basis. XP was a great OS in it's day but is no longer supported. If you have a new machine you will not find drivers for the hardware and aside from lack of new MS security updates, you will not have much luck finding a up to date and secure web browser for it. If my choice were between Win8.1 and Win7 I'd probably go with Win8.1 simply because it will be supported longer. Then I'd get the free utility Classic Shell http://www.classicshell.net/ Classic Shell will return the standard Win7 GUI to you. I've installed it on a lot of machine where the user could not deal with Win8 and as far as they are concerned , it's just the same as Win7 |
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replying to Newgene McMensa, Anonymoud wrote:
If you are used to XP you will prefer win7 over Win8. They do share a lot of similarities. Even Win8 isn't terrible if you install Classic Shell on it. I would not recommend XP for anything these days, no matter how much you like the interface. As an unsupported OS that is no longer receiving security patches it is prone to security issues. Also there are more and more programs that will not run on it including the latest versions of certain web browsers. It will only cause you trouble. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...p-1122675-.htm |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 10:09:01 -0800, "Newgene McMensa"
wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy Seven is the sweet spot. Seven can be configured to behave like XP. Don't waste time installing XP any more too much new stuff, including internet content, is incompatible with XP. |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 13:30:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/29/2017 1:09 PM, Newgene McMensa wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy Anything is better than 8.1 IMO. I'd go with W7. I find it a bit better than XP. W10 is not so bad either. 7 pro if you have a choice. |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 13:33:12 -0500, Al Dente
wrote: On 1/29/2017 1:09 PM, Newgene McMensa wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy If ease of use is your goal, consider Microsoft Bob Desktop running on Windows for Workgroups 3.11 As long as you don't need internet access. 7 or 10 - forget anything in between - and except for special apps forget XP - and regardless, forget anything earlier. My next choice would be Windows 10. |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 12:41:15 -0600, "Terry Coombs"
wrote: Newgene McMensa wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy 7 is a lot like Vista , I personally prefer XP Pro ... I have no experiencewith anything newer but I hear 10 invades your privacy significantly - and by default puts all your stuff in the cloud . I prefer to store my stuff right here at home . When installing 10, use"custom" install and turn off everything you can turn off. Default settings allow sharing on the cloud, but default to local storage. |
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On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 2:14:07 PM UTC-5, Anonymoud wrote:
replying to Newgene McMensa, Anonymoud wrote: If you are used to XP you will prefer win7 over Win8. They do share a lot of similarities. Even Win8 isn't terrible if you install Classic Shell on it. I would not recommend XP for anything these days, no matter how much you like the interface. As an unsupported OS that is no longer receiving security patches it is prone to security issues. Also there are more and more programs that will not run on it including the latest versions of certain web browsers. It will only cause you trouble. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...p-1122675-.htm I think you can extend that to almost all the latest web browsers, certainly all the popular ones, the latest, updated versions won't run on XP anymore. So how much that matters from a compatibility and security standpoint depends on if you're using a browser with XP or not. |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 10:51:17 -0800, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 10:09:01 -0800, "Newgene McMensa" wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy, See this before you think further about XP. My wife has Vista. Extended support will end in April. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet She will get a new system with Win 10 in a few weeks. Vista (like Millenium Edition - ME) was an abortion.XP, 7, or 10 were solid. |
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On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 2:10:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/29/2017 1:41 PM, Terry Coombs wrote: Newgene McMensa wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy 7 is a lot like Vista , I personally prefer XP Pro ... I have no experiencewith anything newer but I hear 10 invades your privacy significantly - and by default puts all your stuff in the cloud . I prefer to store my stuff right here at home . You just have to watch the setup. Nothing of mine goes to the cloud, never did, never will. I don't know that you can say that nothing goes to the cloud. Search queries using Edge for example? You can't stop the cloud from seeing what you want to search for, and maybe not from using it for their own purposes either. But if you mean your typical saved word files, excel stuff, that doesn't automatically go to the cloud on Win 10, AFAIK anyway. But I did what you did, control the setup and disable anything I didn't want from going. But, all said, whatever goes on with Win 10, from a security standpoint, is no worse than what goes on with a smartphone. Don't know about anyone else, but I do just as much stuff on a phone as I do on a PC these days. I'm very happy with Win 10, by far the best OS they've produced yet. The one weak spot is the Edge browser sucks, it can't manage bookmarks, for example. But I tried it for a few days, then quickly went to Chrome. |
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trader_4
Sun, 29 Jan 2017 18:39:33 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote: On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 1:09:54 PM UTC-5, Newgene McMensa wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy I've used XP, then Win 7, and now 10. NEver used 8, but 7 is very similar user interface to XP. Win 10 is a bit different, but not as different as I feared based on some reviews and quick looks at it at stores. Given the choice and support level, between XP and 7, I'd go with 7. Win 10 is by far the best, most stable MSFT OS IMO. I'm glad you stated IMO with your Windows 10 comment, Trader. :) Much easier to defend an opinion without facts. -- Sarcasm, because beating the living **** out of deserving people is illegal. |
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philo Sun, 29
Jan 2017 19:11:41 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote: On 01/29/2017 12:09 PM, Newgene McMensa wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy Although I've been a Linux user since about the year 2000 I still support Windows machines ...at one time on a daily basis. XP was a great OS in it's day but is no longer supported. If you have a new machine you will not find drivers for the hardware and aside from lack of new MS security updates, you will not have much luck finding a up to date and secure web browser for it. The driver issue with a new machine may/may not be entirely true. There's atleast two huge (won't even fit on a dual layer dvd) programs that are massive driver collections. Most of the time, so far, they are able to find drivers for XP to allow a recent hardware build to roll with it. If my choice were between Win8.1 and Win7 I'd probably go with Win8.1 simply because it will be supported longer. Then I'd get the free utility Classic Shell http://www.classicshell.net/ I'd stick with Windows 7 given the limited choice described above. Windows 8.x is terrible. Classic Shell will return the standard Win7 GUI to you. Well, for the most part, yes. It's not quite the same thing as the real GUI, though. I've installed it on a lot of machine where the user could not deal with Win8 and as far as they are concerned , it's just the same as Win7 With a few minor differences, yes. I use classic shell for clients as well to force their windows 8.x machines to look/feel more like the ones they are accustomed to. -- Sarcasm, because beating the living **** out of deserving people is illegal. |
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Anonymoud m
Sun, 29 Jan 2017 19:14:02 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote: replying to Newgene McMensa, Anonymoud wrote: If you are used to XP you will prefer win7 over Win8. They do share a lot of similarities. Even Win8 isn't terrible if you install Classic Shell on it. I would not recommend XP for anything these days, no matter how much you like the interface. As an unsupported OS that is no longer receiving security patches it is prone to security issues. List a security issue that's known for XP and isn't patched which could be a security risk for XP users. Also there are more and more programs that will not run on it including the latest versions of certain web browsers. It will only cause you trouble. Sadly, for the most part, that's the authors personal lazy choice. Aside from a few API calls which are new/altered, there's no real reason to deliberately force your binary not to run under Windows XP. -- Sarcasm, because beating the living **** out of deserving people is illegal. |
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trader_4
Sun, 29 Jan 2017 20:56:31 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote: On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 2:14:07 PM UTC-5, Anonymoud wrote: replying to Newgene McMensa, Anonymoud wrote: If you are used to XP you will prefer win7 over Win8. They do share a lot of similarities. Even Win8 isn't terrible if you install Classic Shell on it. I would not recommend XP for anything these days, no matter how much you like the interface. As an unsupported OS that is no longer receiving security patches it is prone to security issues. Also there are more and more programs that will not run on it including the latest versions of certain web browsers. It will only cause you trouble. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...p-1122675-.htm I think you can extend that to almost all the latest web browsers, certainly all the popular ones, the latest, updated versions won't run on XP anymore. So how much that matters from a compatibility and security standpoint depends on if you're using a browser with XP or not. I'm using the latest firefox ESR build on Windows XP. it still gets updates and will continue to do so for awhile longer. The fact MS dropped support didn't automatically make XP a big target/super vulnerable, the world is going to end tomorrow scenario come true, either. The real issue with XP is upcoming lack of drivers for the latest hardware. And, more apps no longer supporting it- many of which are intentional on the part of the author and have nothing to do with the codebase of XP itself. In other words, a lot of the apps that no longer support XP aren't using api calls that XP doesn't have, it's a personal decision on the part of the author to stop supporting the OS, it's not mandatory in many cases. Only in a select few is the authors programs new features calling apis that XP doesn't support. Otherwise, it's lazy programmers who just don't want to deal with XP users anymore. In fact, some actually had to add more code to detect XP vs another NT based OS and refuse to run if it's detected. Not because XP couldn't run the code mind you, but, because the author decided they didn't want their program running on XP anymore. It actually reminds me of some of the DOS programs available from yesteryear that were processor biased. They'd ask the CPU to identify itself, and if it was amd/cyrix, they'd refuse to run claiming only Intel could properly support their code. In rare asm demo cases this was actually true, otherwise, it was the author forcing his/her own personal views on you that aren't based on fact. -- Sarcasm, because beating the living **** out of deserving people is illegal. |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 13:14:57 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: I don't know that you can say that nothing goes to the cloud. Search queries using Edge for example? You can't stop the cloud from seeing what you want to search for, and maybe not from using it for their own purposes either. But if you mean your typical saved word files, excel stuff, that doesn't automatically go to the cloud on Win 10, AFAIK anyway. I only have one question. Lets say someone buys a computer with Win10, and only buys it to run office software, or they design graphics, or use it to operate a DJ music service, etc. and does NOT connect it to the internet at all. Nothing can go to a cloud, MS cant spy on anyone, etc. Will Win10 even function without an internet connection? I have an XP machine that I use to store data. I have many thousands of videos and music on it, and I have a backup of all my personal stuff on it (besides my regular backups). That computer has NEVER been connected to the internet, nor is it networked to any other computer. Everything I put on it, is put there using flash drives. I do use it to watch the videos and play music, but it will NEVER be connected to the internet. This way I dont have to worry about malware (I scan everything before I put it on that machine). Anyhow, it works fine as it is. I installed XP Sp3 initially. I dont need any upgrades. It works fine as it is, for what I do with it. But I question if Win10 would work that way? Not that it much matters, I have no intention to upgrade to 10. I dont want anyting above Win7. |
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On 1/29/2017 4:14 PM, trader_4 wrote:
I don't know that you can say that nothing goes to the cloud. Search queries using Edge for example? You can't stop the cloud from seeing what you want to search for, and maybe not from using it for their own purposes either. But if you mean your typical saved word files, excel stuff, that doesn't automatically go to the cloud on Win 10, AFAIK anyway. Any search engine is taking your inquiries. I use Google on Chrome. I'm very happy with Win 10, by far the best OS they've produced yet. The one weak spot is the Edge browser sucks, it can't manage bookmarks, for example. But I tried it for a few days, then quickly went to Chrome. I use Yahoo mail as that is what my ISP uses. With Edge, I cannot reply to Yahoo mail so I'm sticking with Chrome. I could use another mail program, but that does not work well as I work from three different computers. Google is no less evil than MS or anyone else, but it works for me. Even simple things like saving a password on one computer makes it available on others if I'm signed in. My calendar shows appointments my wife has too so it is easy to void conflicts. |
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On 01/29/2017 10:09 AM, Newgene McMensa wrote:
Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy Hi Snuffy, Frankenstein (Windows 8.x) and Son-of-Frankenstein (Window Nein, oops, Ten) are both really difficult to use. Both are a bad case of "Where's Waldo?". Nein, oops, Ten is a good clean up of what was a bad design to start with. It is still a bad design and is in a great deal of flux with constant full rewrite updates of your OS. A lot of software still doesn't quite work right with it, except M$'s (what a surprise). XP is wonderful, except M$ (Microsoft) is playing hard ball trying to get rid of it and is putting artificial block in its developers kits to screw with XP, so ... I'd go with 7. Easier to use and the most compatible. To give you an idea, I build custom computes. I have not has even one single request for Frankenstein and Sons (W-8.x or W-Nein, oops W-10). It is usually for Linux for Windows 7. If all you are doing is surfing and reading eMail and are okay with using Libre Office for documents, Linux is a good alternative. Seldom if ever crashes, 40% faster on the same hardware, security hardened (the Fedora version), self healing file system, virtually no fragmentation, bad memory screening. Shotwell is good for pictures. Downside is that you will only have about 5% of the software offerings as Windows. My favorite Linux spin: https://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/#downloads This is fly-before-you-buy, so you can boot off it and try it out before installing it to your hard drive. You can "dd" it straight to a flash drive or burn it to a DVD. HTH, -T |
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On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 4:53:02 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 13:14:57 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: I don't know that you can say that nothing goes to the cloud. Search queries using Edge for example? You can't stop the cloud from seeing what you want to search for, and maybe not from using it for their own purposes either. But if you mean your typical saved word files, excel stuff, that doesn't automatically go to the cloud on Win 10, AFAIK anyway. I only have one question. Lets say someone buys a computer with Win10, and only buys it to run office software, or they design graphics, or use it to operate a DJ music service, etc. and does NOT connect it to the internet at all. Nothing can go to a cloud, MS cant spy on anyone, etc. Will Win10 even function without an internet connection? From everything I've seen, yes. You may have to connect once when you set it up, to validate, register your copy of Windows. But I've had a Win 10 machine that was not connected to the internet for 6 months and it was still working fine, no warning messages or anything. Could it have something in there that will complain to be connected after a year, 5 years, seems unlikely, but I don't know. Seems unlikely, because I think it would cause more problems for MSFT with no benefit. |
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On 01/29/2017 10:09 AM, Newgene McMensa wrote:
Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. You can make the interface exactly like WinXP with Classic Shell: www.classicshell.net/ Jon |
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philo writes:
On 01/29/2017 12:09 PM, Newgene McMensa wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy Although I've been a Linux user since about the year 2000 I still support Windows machines ...at one time on a daily basis. As a Linux user, you must realize that if you aren't a corporate client, by running Windows, you turn over control of your machine to MSFT. You can resist the MSFT updates but eventually you will be forced into W10. I think W7 is way ahead of 8.1 unless you have a touch screen. But telling someone to use W7 is hopeless. They'll be on W10 before they know it. Me, I'm sticking with Linux/Fvwm2. No change in the user interface since I first started using it on Solaris almost 20 years ago. -- Dan Espen |
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On 2017-01-29, Diesel wrote:
internet content? Which codecs and/or protocols specifically are you writing about that are not available/not supported under XP? Some sites don't work well in older browsers. The only current one I know of that still works with XP is Mozilla Firefox. A lot of newer hardware and software is not supported on XP. So it depends on your needs. FWIW, if I were a Windows user making this choice I would go with Win7 mainly due to it being currently supported. The user interface is not all that much different from XP, the really nasty crap started with Windows 8. (Even that can be tamed to an extent if you use a 3rd-party program like Classic Shell.) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 14:17:33 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 4:53:02 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 13:14:57 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: I don't know that you can say that nothing goes to the cloud. Search queries using Edge for example? You can't stop the cloud from seeing what you want to search for, and maybe not from using it for their own purposes either. But if you mean your typical saved word files, excel stuff, that doesn't automatically go to the cloud on Win 10, AFAIK anyway. I only have one question. Lets say someone buys a computer with Win10, and only buys it to run office software, or they design graphics, or use it to operate a DJ music service, etc. and does NOT connect it to the internet at all. Nothing can go to a cloud, MS cant spy on anyone, etc. Will Win10 even function without an internet connection? From everything I've seen, yes. You may have to connect once when you set it up, to validate, register your copy of Windows. But I've had a Win 10 machine that was not connected to the internet for 6 months and it was still working fine, no warning messages or anything. Could it have something in there that will complain to be connected after a year, 5 years, seems unlikely, but I don't know. Seems unlikely, because I think it would cause more problems for MSFT with no benefit. When I installed XP on the computer (which is not connected to the internet), I just phoned MS to get the validation code. But Win10 may be different.... (Seems like it would be a major pain to have to pay for a months ISP service just to validate it (this is a desktop, not a laptop that could be taken to a WIFI). Then again, correct me if I'm wrong, since I have never bought a new computer from a store (or anywhere else). But lets say I went to Walmart and bought a new computer with Win10 already installed. Isn't all the validation done at the factory, so when I take it out of the box, it's ready to be used without me having to do anything except plug it in and connect the keybd, mouse and monitor cords? I would think it would be ready to go right out of the box, but I am only guessing.... |
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On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 5:56:50 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 14:17:33 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 4:53:02 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 13:14:57 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: I don't know that you can say that nothing goes to the cloud. Search queries using Edge for example? You can't stop the cloud from seeing what you want to search for, and maybe not from using it for their own purposes either. But if you mean your typical saved word files, excel stuff, that doesn't automatically go to the cloud on Win 10, AFAIK anyway. I only have one question. Lets say someone buys a computer with Win10, and only buys it to run office software, or they design graphics, or use it to operate a DJ music service, etc. and does NOT connect it to the internet at all. Nothing can go to a cloud, MS cant spy on anyone, etc. Will Win10 even function without an internet connection? From everything I've seen, yes. You may have to connect once when you set it up, to validate, register your copy of Windows. But I've had a Win 10 machine that was not connected to the internet for 6 months and it was still working fine, no warning messages or anything. Could it have something in there that will complain to be connected after a year, 5 years, seems unlikely, but I don't know. Seems unlikely, because I think it would cause more problems for MSFT with no benefit. When I installed XP on the computer (which is not connected to the internet), I just phoned MS to get the validation code. But Win10 may be different.... (Seems like it would be a major pain to have to pay for a months ISP service just to validate it (this is a desktop, not a laptop that could be taken to a WIFI). Then again, correct me if I'm wrong, since I have never bought a new computer from a store (or anywhere else). But lets say I went to Walmart and bought a new computer with Win10 already installed. Isn't all the validation done at the factory, so when I take it out of the box, it's ready to be used without me having to do anything except plug it in and connect the keybd, mouse and monitor cords? I would think it would be ready to go right out of the box, but I am only guessing.... That level of detail, IDK. Certainly they will work out of the box, without any internet connection at least for some period of time. But is the software license registered, validated when the OEM puts it on the machine? Of does it happen later, when you have it? IDK? Somehow MSFT has a database of the license, what machine it's on and a set of info about that machine. That's so if I try to take it off my machine and put it on another machine, MSFT knows the hardware has changed and wants to revalidate it. I know if you put a new copy on a machine it wants to register it with MSFT, but will delay that, let it continue to work for maybe a month or so? Question is, a new PC, is that part already done at the factory or not? It's been a few years since I bought a new PC, so whatever went on, I don't remember anymore. |
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On 01/29/2017 04:38 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
philo writes: On 01/29/2017 12:09 PM, Newgene McMensa wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy Although I've been a Linux user since about the year 2000 I still support Windows machines ...at one time on a daily basis. As a Linux user, you must realize that if you aren't a corporate client, by running Windows, you turn over control of your machine to MSFT. You can resist the MSFT updates but eventually you will be forced into W10. I think W7 is way ahead of 8.1 unless you have a touch screen. But telling someone to use W7 is hopeless. They'll be on W10 before they know it. Me, I'm sticking with Linux/Fvwm2. No change in the user interface since I first started using it on Solaris almost 20 years ago. I could see win8.1 with a touch screen and I have a few test machines running Win10. What I hate about Win10 is the forced updates and reboots. I had to use the Policy Editor to stop that but the average user is probably not going to want to mess with that. My first experience with Linux was RedHat 5.2 in those days one could easily spend all week installing and configuring...I even complied my own kernel once. It was an attempt to add USB support. Even though I compiled-in USB support, I neglected to add support for the add-on USB card so never got USB working until I eventually went with a later version of Linux. That said I do not try to force others to use it because if one absolutely needs Win apps such as Photoshop, it's not going to work. Not too many are going to want to deal with GIMP but I got used to it. |
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Win 7 or XP?
On Sunday, January 29, 2017 at 6:12:48 PM UTC-5, philo wrote:
On 01/29/2017 04:38 PM, Dan Espen wrote: philo writes: On 01/29/2017 12:09 PM, Newgene McMensa wrote: Is Win 7 any easier to use than 8.1? If the way you interface is more like 8.1 than XP, then I will install XP on it. ` Snuffy Although I've been a Linux user since about the year 2000 I still support Windows machines ...at one time on a daily basis. As a Linux user, you must realize that if you aren't a corporate client, by running Windows, you turn over control of your machine to MSFT. You can resist the MSFT updates but eventually you will be forced into W10. I think W7 is way ahead of 8.1 unless you have a touch screen. But telling someone to use W7 is hopeless. They'll be on W10 before they know it. Me, I'm sticking with Linux/Fvwm2. No change in the user interface since I first started using it on Solaris almost 20 years ago. I could see win8.1 with a touch screen and I have a few test machines running Win10. What I hate about Win10 is the forced updates and reboots. I had to use the Policy Editor to stop that but the average user is probably not going to want to mess with that. I agree, I don't like that either. AFAIK, with Win 10 you can delay rebooting forever, but once you do, it applies the update. That's still not great. If for example, you have a notebook and you want to shut it down, but have something important you need to do tomorrow, later that week, etc and you don't want the risk that an update is going to screw you up. And screwing up has already happened, there was so big deal over MSFT screwing up video cams so that they would no longer work with their big update for Win 10. Me, I'd like to do updates when I please. And I typically delay them awhile to let others go first and see what happens. That's what I did with the Win 10 upgrade. |
Win 7 or XP?
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Win 7 or XP?
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Win 7 or XP?
On Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:12:42 -0600, philo wrote:
My first experience with Linux was RedHat 5.2 in those days one could easily spend all week installing and configuring...I even complied my own kernel once. It was an attempt to add USB support. Even though I compiled-in USB support, I neglected to add support for the add-on USB card so never got USB working until I eventually went with a later version of Linux. That said I do not try to force others to use it because if one absolutely needs Win apps such as Photoshop, it's not going to work. Not too many are going to want to deal with GIMP but I got used to it. You must be one of the FEW, if you dont try to force others to use linux. There are far too many who think linux is the answer too all of life's problems, and nearly treat it like it's a religion or somthing. I am not trying to start a flame war, so I am going to just say this and leave it at that. "I HATE LINUX". That thing nearly drove me to throwing all my computers into the trash and having an emotional breakdown. But I stopped there, formatted all the hard drives, and linux bootable thumb drives. Then I threw all linux CDs or DVDs in the garbage, and made a promise to myself to never allow linux anywhere near my computers again. I'm sticking to that for the rest of my life. And just to be clear, this was not the RedHat nightmare from the 90s (I tried that too though). My last and final linux try was about 3 years ago. I tried at least a dozen POPULAR distros, several computers, and there is not one good thing I can say about linux. I would like an alternative to Windows too, but linux is NOT the answer. I dont like the direction Windows has gone. I liked Windows 98, XP and although I dont own a Win7 machine, I have played with it and know I could get used to it. I want nothing to do with Win 8.x or 10. I can only hope, or wish that MS would wise up and support more than theor latest bloatware, because soem of us like a simpler OS and/or dont want to keep buy new computers when our older ones still work fine. -OR- Someone would create an entirely new OS that's compatible with Windows software. But I know that is only a dream, and MS will keep creating their bloated crap, which does the same thing as their olders OS, with 10X more complexity and problems, and needing 10x more hardware power. Then again, I'm old, so I probably wont have to ever use their latest crap. I do just fine with XP and possibly will one day I get something with Win7. |
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