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Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run.
Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 6:30:24 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? One part of me says you're right, it's getting old. The other part of me tells me that if you replace it, what you get today will probably not last nearly as long and many new products today fail after just a few years. |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 6:30:24 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote: I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? One part of me says you're right, it's getting old. The other part of me tells me that if you replace it, what you get today will probably not last nearly as long and many new products today fail after just a few years. The battery operated pump (Watchdog) is only a year old and it is hooked up to 3 deep cycle marine batteries. If the pedestal failed, the battery pump would keep me going through the wet season and I could replace the pedestal at my convenience. |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:55:18 -0500, Arnie Goetchius
wrote: trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 6:30:24 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote: I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? One part of me says you're right, it's getting old. The other part of me tells me that if you replace it, what you get today will probably not last nearly as long and many new products today fail after just a few years. The battery operated pump (Watchdog) is only a year old and it is hooked up to 3 deep cycle marine batteries. If the pedestal failed, the battery pump would keep me going through the wet season and I could replace the pedestal at my convenience. 14 yrs is a good long life for a sump pump. But as long as you keep the bottom filter/impeller clean, and oil; the motor, it could last a lot more years. No sense replacing it till it fails. What brand is it? That sounds like a reliable brand, worth buying.... |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 6:55:20 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 6:30:24 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote: I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? One part of me says you're right, it's getting old. The other part of me tells me that if you replace it, what you get today will probably not last nearly as long and many new products today fail after just a few years. The battery operated pump (Watchdog) is only a year old and it is hooked up to 3 deep cycle marine batteries. If the pedestal failed, the battery pump would keep me going through the wet season and I could replace the pedestal at my convenience. If the battery pump can keep you safe long enough to get a new AC pump, that would be good enough reason for me to keep doing what you're doing. I'd have the battery pump set to come on at a higher level and also an alarm set up to sound so that you know the primary pump has failed. They have cheap $10 alarms for water heaters at HD and similar. May be loud enough and work for your purpose. |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:12:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: If the battery pump can keep you safe long enough to get a new AC pump, that would be good enough reason for me to keep doing what you're doing. I'd have the battery pump set to come on at a higher level and also an alarm set up to sound so that you know the primary pump has failed. They have cheap $10 alarms for water heaters at HD and similar. May be loud enough and work for your purpose. Why would you put an alarm on a water heater, and where does it connect? |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 7:25:19 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:12:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: If the battery pump can keep you safe long enough to get a new AC pump, that would be good enough reason for me to keep doing what you're doing. I'd have the battery pump set to come on at a higher level and also an alarm set up to sound so that you know the primary pump has failed. They have cheap $10 alarms for water heaters at HD and similar. May be loud enough and work for your purpose. Why would you put an alarm on a water heater, and where does it connect? You put it on the floor or in the safety drip pan that's under it, if it has one. It's just a battery operated alarm, the size of a pack of cigarettes, with two contacts on the bottom. If the WH starts to leak, you know it before it does damage. |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:30:22 -0500, Arnie Goetchius
wrote: I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? I've seen them go over 20 - and others fail in 5 or 6. It depends a lot on the construction/quality. When the bottom rusts off they are pretty well done.. If the impeller lets go it's done. Sometimes it's the motor that fails, or the switch - - - |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
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Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 6:55:20 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote: trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 6:30:24 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote: I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? One part of me says you're right, it's getting old. The other part of me tells me that if you replace it, what you get today will probably not last nearly as long and many new products today fail after just a few years. The battery operated pump (Watchdog) is only a year old and it is hooked up to 3 deep cycle marine batteries. If the pedestal failed, the battery pump would keep me going through the wet season and I could replace the pedestal at my convenience. If the battery pump can keep you safe long enough to get a new AC pump, that would be good enough reason for me to keep doing what you're doing. I'd have the battery pump set to come on at a higher level and also an alarm set up to sound so that you know the primary pump has failed. They have cheap $10 alarms for water heaters at HD and similar. May be loud enough and work for your purpose. The Watchdog battery pump I have has a built in audible alarm as part of the control panel. It sounds when it is running on battery but I can turn the alarm on or off. |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:34:01 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 7:25:19 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:12:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: If the battery pump can keep you safe long enough to get a new AC pump, that would be good enough reason for me to keep doing what you're doing. I'd have the battery pump set to come on at a higher level and also an alarm set up to sound so that you know the primary pump has failed. They have cheap $10 alarms for water heaters at HD and similar. May be loud enough and work for your purpose. Why would you put an alarm on a water heater, and where does it connect? You put it on the floor or in the safety drip pan that's under it, if it has one. It's just a battery operated alarm, the size of a pack of cigarettes, with two contacts on the bottom. If the WH starts to leak, you know it before it does damage. Ok, Thanks. The contacts on the bottom must be activated by wetness. Is that correct? I assume this would work for any sort of water leakage. I wonder how this would work in a bathtub? I know of a certain elderly person, who dont watch the tub when it's filling, and tends to overflow the tub fairly often. Ive been trying to find some way to alert them when the tub is near full. What are they called so I can google for them? |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 19:41:19 -0500, Arnie Goetchius
wrote: What brand is it? That sounds like a reliable brand, worth buying.... It is a Water Ace R3P. According to Flotec it is obsolete but they may have parts. Reviews on Amazon are positive for the original versions but reviewers suggested that later versions were not so good. I never heard of that brand, but it sounds like it was made by Flotec. (Flotec is still around). Why do they always stop producing the best stuff???? |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 19:41:19 -0500, Arnie Goetchius
wrote: wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:55:18 -0500, Arnie Goetchius wrote: trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 6:30:24 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote: I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? One part of me says you're right, it's getting old. The other part of me tells me that if you replace it, what you get today will probably not last nearly as long and many new products today fail after just a few years. The battery operated pump (Watchdog) is only a year old and it is hooked up to 3 deep cycle marine batteries. If the pedestal failed, the battery pump would keep me going through the wet season and I could replace the pedestal at my convenience. 14 yrs is a good long life for a sump pump. But as long as you keep the bottom filter/impeller clean, and oil; the motor, it could last a lot more years. No sense replacing it till it fails. What brand is it? That sounds like a reliable brand, worth buying.... It is a Water Ace R3P. According to Flotec it is obsolete but they may have parts. Reviews on Amazon are positive for the original versions but reviewers suggested that later versions were not so good. That's par for the course. The old one will outlast the one you would buy as a replacement today. |
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Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 5:30:24 PM UTC-6, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? There are a couple of electric motor repair/rewind shops in town that also repair and rebuild pumps of all types. If you have a pump shop in town, you might call them and ask what the cost of installing new bearings in your pump would be. The pump shops check the insulation of the motor windings to make sure it's worth rebuilding the pump. If the insulation on the motor windings has deteriorated, it's less expensive to replace the pump. It would be best to ask the experts at the pump shop what works best for your situation. ヽ(ヅ)ノ [8~{} Uncle Pumped Monster |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On 1/24/2017 7:41 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
It is a Water Ace R3P. According to Flotec it is obsolete but they may have parts. Reviews on Amazon are positive for the original versions but reviewers suggested that later versions were not so good. Everything has been cheapened in recent years so that may be true. Aside from age, any reason to suspect it is going to stop working? If it does, how much time would you have before serious damage from water? Room in the sump to set up a secondary? |
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Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 21:08:14 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/24/2017 7:41 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote: It is a Water Ace R3P. According to Flotec it is obsolete but they may have parts. Reviews on Amazon are positive for the original versions but reviewers suggested that later versions were not so good. Everything has been cheapened in recent years so that may be true. Aside from age, any reason to suspect it is going to stop working? If it does, how much time would you have before serious damage from water? Room in the sump to set up a secondary? She said she already has a battery operated backup. installed. |
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Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:30:22 -0500, Arnie Goetchius
wrote: I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? The pedestal pump on my sewer ejection system was still pumping after 50 years. I had it replaced it because I didn't want to push my luck. I goes on about 10-20 times a day for about 10 seconds and will run almost constantly during heavy rain. |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On 01/24/2017 06:30 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? A 14-year-old pump would have been manufactured during the Dubya years so it's prolly a good honest hard-working pump. |
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Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 7:58:03 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:34:01 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 7:25:19 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:12:08 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: If the battery pump can keep you safe long enough to get a new AC pump, that would be good enough reason for me to keep doing what you're doing. I'd have the battery pump set to come on at a higher level and also an alarm set up to sound so that you know the primary pump has failed. They have cheap $10 alarms for water heaters at HD and similar. May be loud enough and work for your purpose. Why would you put an alarm on a water heater, and where does it connect? You put it on the floor or in the safety drip pan that's under it, if it has one. It's just a battery operated alarm, the size of a pack of cigarettes, with two contacts on the bottom. If the WH starts to leak, you know it before it does damage. Ok, Thanks. The contacts on the bottom must be activated by wetness. Is that correct? I assume this would work for any sort of water leakage. Yes I wonder how this would work in a bathtub? I know of a certain elderly person, who dont watch the tub when it's filling, and tends to overflow the tub fairly often. Ive been trying to find some way to alert them when the tub is near full. What are they called so I can google for them? google for water alarm or water heater alarm. Here's one example: https://www.walmart.com/ip/First-Ale...Alarm/14710711 One on the floor would alert when the tub first starts to overflow. |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
best bet is to check both pumps once a month and before any
predicted storms. let them actually run for a few seconds once a month to prevent the bearings from seizing. buy a spare pump and keep it on the shelf, run it once a month as well mark |
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Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
Wade Garrett wrote:
On 1/25/17 10:16 AM, wrote: best bet is to check both pumps once a month and before any predicted storms. let them actually run for a few seconds once a month to prevent the bearings from seizing. buy a spare pump and keep it on the shelf, run it once a month as well mark You are definitely a belt and suspenders guy! I check quarterly. I run a hose from the drain faucet of the gas water heater and dump that into the sump. I dump about 10 gallons of water in the 5 gallon sump to test one cycle of the main pump and one cycle of the battery operated pump. Change my electrostatic hot air furnace filter at the same time. |
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Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 07:25:15 -0600, Dean Hoffman
wrote: On 1/24/17 6:56 PM, wrote: I wonder how this would work in a bathtub? I know of a certain elderly person, who dont watch the tub when it's filling, and tends to overflow the tub fairly often. Ive been trying to find some way to alert them when the tub is near full. What are they called so I can google for them? "Bathtub alarm" turned up a lot of hits. Thanks, I was hoping there was something for this use. I'd prefer it sensed the water before the tub began to overflow, rather than after. As long as they are battery operated, there is no risk of electrocution, and can be placed right into the tub itself. It looks like some of them are made just to be used that way. |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 07:16:17 -0800 (PST), wrote:
best bet is to check both pumps once a month and before any predicted storms. let them actually run for a few seconds once a month to prevent the bearings from seizing. buy a spare pump and keep it on the shelf, run it once a month as well mark Why would you ever run a new pump dry every month???? Most pumps are NEVER to be run dry. |
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Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
being a frugal guy and not finding little giant pond pumps quite adequate to provide suffieicent water flow for my pond, i use sump pumps for my pond. On a timer they run about 9 hrs a day in the summer.
Experienced life....about 1 year. Cause of failure? one main issue.... Firstly the units are sealed, so they don't get water in the 'lectrics, but they do inevitably fail tripping the GFI. The Princess auto pumps have typically plastic bushings, and they wear out. goodby to water tightness....hello failure Well, they don't make em like they used to. The upside is that they typically come with a one year warranty With a 14 years under yer belt, I would suggest leaving it in place, getting a water alarm, and having a replacement pump at hand or even "piggybacked" in the same drainage can?????. Just my though Eric Eric |
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Arnie Goetchius posted for all of us...
trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 6:30:24 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote: I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? One part of me says you're right, it's getting old. The other part of me tells me that if you replace it, what you get today will probably not last nearly as long and many new products today fail after just a few years. The battery operated pump (Watchdog) is only a year old and it is hooked up to 3 deep cycle marine batteries. If the pedestal failed, the battery pump would keep me going through the wet season and I could replace the pedestal at my convenience. Why did you ask the question if you already had a solution in mind? -- Tekkie |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
Tekkie® wrote:
Arnie Goetchius posted for all of us... trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 6:30:24 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote: I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? One part of me says you're right, it's getting old. The other part of me tells me that if you replace it, what you get today will probably not last nearly as long and many new products today fail after just a few years. The battery operated pump (Watchdog) is only a year old and it is hooked up to 3 deep cycle marine batteries. If the pedestal failed, the battery pump would keep me going through the wet season and I could replace the pedestal at my convenience. Why did you ask the question if you already had a solution in mind? Just trying to get an idea of how long the current pedestal will last |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:04:26 -0500, Arnie Goetchius
wrote: Tekkie® wrote: Arnie Goetchius posted for all of us... trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 6:30:24 PM UTC-5, Arnie Goetchius wrote: I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? One part of me says you're right, it's getting old. The other part of me tells me that if you replace it, what you get today will probably not last nearly as long and many new products today fail after just a few years. The battery operated pump (Watchdog) is only a year old and it is hooked up to 3 deep cycle marine batteries. If the pedestal failed, the battery pump would keep me going through the wet season and I could replace the pedestal at my convenience. Why did you ask the question if you already had a solution in mind? Just trying to get an idea of how long the current pedestal will last Anywhere between about 5 seconds and another 20 years, give or take. That's about as close as you are going to get. |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:04:26 -0500, Arnie Goetchius
wrote: Why did you ask the question if you already had a solution in mind? Just trying to get an idea of how long the current pedestal will last You'll never know, until it's dead.... No one can answer a question like that. How long will YOU live? Can you answer that???? |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
On 1/24/17 5:30 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
I have a pedestal sump going on 14 years. I wonder how much longer it will run. Typically, it runs 3-4 months a year between Dec and Apr. During heavy rain, it will run about once every 2 minutes for about 10 seconds. It sits in a 5 gallon can dug into the basement floor. There is also a battery operated pump in the sump which will run if the the pedestal sump either fails or the electricity quits. I figure after 14 years, it is getting near the end of life. Any thoughts? Do you have maintenance chargers on the batteries? |
Expected Life Of a Pedestal Sump Pump ?
The backup battery charger is IMPORTANT!!!
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