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Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes
As mentioned previously to DerbyDad, I ordered 40 of these LED
replacements for fluorescent tubes. http://amzn.to/2h5hwDj They arrived yesterday. Today I decided to relamp two, four tube fixtures. So far, I am thrilled with these tubes. 2500 lumens at 6000 degrees Kelvin, these tubes are very bright and come very close to daylight. Installation was very easy, I could have simply put them in the fixtures with the existing ballasts, but I wanted to get rid of the ballasts as they were old and in need of replacement. A really nice feature of these tubes is, you can use fixtures with either shunted or non-shunted tombstone connectors. Hot connects to one end of the tube and neutral to the other end. I simply cut out the ballasts, stripped the wires from either end of the fixture, bundled each side's wires together and connected one side to black and one side to white. These two relamped fixtures give me more usable light in the barn / shop / stables than three good condition normal fluorescent fixtures. Now to get my great grandson to convert the other eight fixtures. |
Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes
On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 6:32:58 PM UTC-5, Stormin' Norman wrote:
As mentioned previously to DerbyDad, I ordered 40 of these LED replacements for fluorescent tubes. http://amzn.to/2h5hwDj They arrived yesterday. Today I decided to relamp two, four tube fixtures. So far, I am thrilled with these tubes. 2500 lumens at 6000 degrees Kelvin, these tubes are very bright and come very close to daylight. Installation was very easy, I could have simply put them in the fixtures with the existing ballasts, but I wanted to get rid of the ballasts as they were old and in need of replacement. A really nice feature of these tubes is, you can use fixtures with either shunted or non-shunted tombstone connectors. Hot connects to one end of the tube and neutral to the other end. I simply cut out the ballasts, stripped the wires from either end of the fixture, bundled each side's wires together and connected one side to black and one side to white. These two relamped fixtures give me more usable light in the barn / shop / stables than three good condition normal fluorescent fixtures. Now to get my great grandson to convert the other eight fixtures. I installed 2 LED tubes in one shop light fixture last night. 4000K, 2400 Lumens. So far so good. http://tinyurl.com/EarthLED-Tube https://www.earthled.com/collections...nt=13929188100 Much brighter than the 40W T12's that are in the other fixtures and just as important, they are instant-on in a cold shop. I just ordered more for the other fixtures. I left the ballasts in the fixture and just cut the wires close enough that they can't be used. My tubes are powered at one end, really easy to wire right where the Romex enters the fixture. A tip: To remove the old wires from the tombstones grab the wire and spin it around while pulling gently. After a few spins it will right pop out without damaging the connection. |
Manual tire changers
For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires
at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" |
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Manual tire changers
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 22:27:18 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 22:01:12 -0500, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" The guy at the end of my street will mount and balance tires for $15 a wheel. I can't even make a Harbor Fright tire tool make fiscal sense. The last time I had a set of mower tires mounted he just said "take care of my guy". I gave him the $30. I agree with you. The guy that bought my brother's shop let me do the last set I had to do for $20 for the use of the machine and the weights. He knows I know as much about using the machine as any of his guys or him, so he trusts me. That was switching over a set of used tires I bought for my truck (yes, I can be a "cheap-ass" sometimes too - but they were a set of Nokian Hakkepelitta tires I bought for half price with one easy season's use on them - still cost more than a set of cheap chinese snows. |
Manual tire changers
On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote:
For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? |
Manual tire changers
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 5:51:16 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? Up dere in Canadastan, it's really, really cold so those Canucks tend to drink a lot of booze to try to stay warm, eh. ヽ(ヅ)ノ [8~{} Uncle Southern Monster |
Manual tire changers
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:51:13 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? Strange, in my reader the subject line reads "Manual Tire Changer" and when I thread the view, that is exactly how the message is displayed. Clare's message does not appear in the LED replacement tube thread. |
Manual tire changers
Stormin' Norman laid this down on his screen :
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:51:13 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? Strange, in my reader the subject line reads "Manual Tire Changer" and when I thread the view, that is exactly how the message is displayed. Clare's message does not appear in the LED replacement tube thread. Clare's references header (which *should* be used for threading) references this article: http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...egroups.com%3E It shows as a new subject line midthread. Are you threading by subject line? |
Manual tire changers
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:30:00 -0500, FromTheRafters
wrote: Stormin' Norman laid this down on his screen : On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:51:13 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? Strange, in my reader the subject line reads "Manual Tire Changer" and when I thread the view, that is exactly how the message is displayed. Clare's message does not appear in the LED replacement tube thread. Clare's references header (which *should* be used for threading) references this article: http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...egroups.com%3E It shows as a new subject line midthread. Are you threading by subject line? I am using the view by thread function in Forte Agent. I am not positive what approach is used by Agent, if I have time later, I will try to look it up. |
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On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 8:34:16 AM UTC-5, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:51:13 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? Strange, in my reader the subject line reads "Manual Tire Changer" and when I thread the view, that is exactly how the message is displayed. Clare's message does not appear in the LED replacement tube thread. For reasons I won't go into, I use Google Groups. Please don't suggest that I use a "real news reader". We've been through all that before. That said... In GG Clare's post follows my response to you in "Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes". My guess is that Clare changed the Subject Line in the LED thread. Some news readers will create a new thread based on the changed subject line, others, such as GG will note the new subject in the post, but keep the original thread intact. For example, n GG, your OP shows your handle and then the body of your post: ***** Stormin' Norman As mentioned previously to DerbyDad... ***** My response shows the same thing, i.e. my handle and then the body. However, Clare's "response" has his handle, his new Subject Line (in bold in GG) and then body of his post. ***** Manual tire changers (in bold) For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires... ***** |
Manual tire changers
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 13:34:15 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote: Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? Strange, in my reader the subject line reads "Manual Tire Changer" and when I thread the view, that is exactly how the message is displayed. Clare's message does not appear in the LED replacement tube thread. Clare's Message-ID: Deby's References: Click Derby's and Agent will restore it. (LED thread) |
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:52:51 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote: Strange, in my reader the subject line reads "Manual Tire Changer" and when I thread the view, that is exactly how the message is displayed. Clare's message does not appear in the LED replacement tube thread. For reasons I won't go into, I use Google Groups. Please don't suggest that I use a "real news reader". We've been through all that before. That said... In GG Clare's post follows my response to you in "Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes". My guess is that Clare changed the Subject Line in the LED thread. Some news readers will create a new thread based on the changed subject line, others, such as GG will note the new subject in the post, but keep the original thread intact. For example, n GG, your OP shows your handle and then the body of your post: ***** Stormin' Norman As mentioned previously to DerbyDad... ***** My response shows the same thing, i.e. my handle and then the body. However, Clare's "response" has his handle, his new Subject Line (in bold in GG) and then body of his post. ***** Manual tire changers (in bold) For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires... ***** If it were me, I would consider using a real news reader....;-) Oh wait, you didn't want me to write that... ;-) Come on, that fruit was hanging just a little to low to not pick it.... |
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On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 12:19:53 PM UTC-5, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:52:51 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: Strange, in my reader the subject line reads "Manual Tire Changer" and when I thread the view, that is exactly how the message is displayed. Clare's message does not appear in the LED replacement tube thread. For reasons I won't go into, I use Google Groups. Please don't suggest that I use a "real news reader". We've been through all that before. That said... In GG Clare's post follows my response to you in "Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes". My guess is that Clare changed the Subject Line in the LED thread. Some news readers will create a new thread based on the changed subject line, others, such as GG will note the new subject in the post, but keep the original thread intact. For example, n GG, your OP shows your handle and then the body of your post: ***** Stormin' Norman As mentioned previously to DerbyDad... ***** My response shows the same thing, i.e. my handle and then the body. However, Clare's "response" has his handle, his new Subject Line (in bold in GG) and then body of his post. ***** Manual tire changers (in bold) For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires... ***** If it were me, I would consider using a real news reader....;-) Oh wait, you didn't want me to write that... ;-) Come on, that fruit was hanging just a little to low to not pick it.... I don't mind it as joke, it's the high and mighty responses from those that don't walk in my shoes that show how clueless some people can be. |
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On 2016-12-14, Stormin' Norman wrote:
Clare's message does not appear in the LED replacement tube thread. Yeah, it does. 1 D 25:[Stormin' Nor] Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes - D-9999 45:[DerbyDad03 ] 3 D 27:[clare@snyder] Manual tire changers nb |
Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes
"Stormin' Norman" wrote in message ... As mentioned previously to DerbyDad, I ordered 40 of these LED replacements for fluorescent tubes. http://amzn.to/2h5hwDj They arrived yesterday. Today I decided to relamp two, four tube fixtures. So far, I am thrilled with these tubes. 2500 lumens at 6000 degrees Kelvin, these tubes are very bright and come very close to daylight. Installation was very easy, I could have simply put them in the fixtures with the existing ballasts, but I wanted to get rid of the ballasts as they were old and in need of replacement. A really nice feature of these tubes is, you can use fixtures with either shunted or non-shunted tombstone connectors. Hot connects to one end of the tube and neutral to the other end. I simply cut out the ballasts, stripped the wires from either end of the fixture, bundled each side's wires together and connected one side to black and one side to white. I relamped the 2 tube fixture in my computer work room and could probably have used one tube to be as bright as the old tubes. They are bright and very easy to install. They seem to work ok in my garage at cold temps too no waiting for them to warm up. |
Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes
On 12/13/2016 03:32 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
As mentioned previously to DerbyDad, I ordered 40 of these LED replacements for fluorescent tubes. http://amzn.to/2h5hwDj They arrived yesterday. Today I decided to relamp two, four tube fixtures. So far, I am thrilled with these tubes. 2500 lumens at 6000 degrees Kelvin, these tubes are very bright and come very close to daylight. Installation was very easy, I could have simply put them in the fixtures with the existing ballasts, but I wanted to get rid of the ballasts as they were old and in need of replacement. A really nice feature of these tubes is, you can use fixtures with either shunted or non-shunted tombstone connectors. Hot connects to one end of the tube and neutral to the other end. I simply cut out the ballasts, stripped the wires from either end of the fixture, bundled each side's wires together and connected one side to black and one side to white. These two relamped fixtures give me more usable light in the barn / shop / stables than three good condition normal fluorescent fixtures. Now to get my great grandson to convert the other eight fixtures. Question: in a two bulb fixture with florescents, do you have to replace both bulbs at the same time with LED? |
Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:52:53 -0000, T wrote:
On 12/13/2016 03:32 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote: As mentioned previously to DerbyDad, I ordered 40 of these LED replacements for fluorescent tubes. http://amzn.to/2h5hwDj They arrived yesterday. Today I decided to relamp two, four tube fixtures. So far, I am thrilled with these tubes. 2500 lumens at 6000 degrees Kelvin, these tubes are very bright and come very close to daylight. Installation was very easy, I could have simply put them in the fixtures with the existing ballasts, but I wanted to get rid of the ballasts as they were old and in need of replacement. A really nice feature of these tubes is, you can use fixtures with either shunted or non-shunted tombstone connectors. Hot connects to one end of the tube and neutral to the other end. I simply cut out the ballasts, stripped the wires from either end of the fixture, bundled each side's wires together and connected one side to black and one side to white. These two relamped fixtures give me more usable light in the barn / shop / stables than three good condition normal fluorescent fixtures. Now to get my great grandson to convert the other eight fixtures. Question: in a two bulb fixture with florescents, do you have to replace both bulbs at the same time with LED? I would imagine the current draw is completely different, so yes (if they're wired in series). -- Did you know that dolphins are so intelligent that within only a few weeks of captivity, they can train humans to stand at the edge of the pool and throw them fish? |
Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 23:32:54 -0000, Stormin' Norman wrote:
As mentioned previously to DerbyDad, I ordered 40 of these LED replacements for fluorescent tubes. http://amzn.to/2h5hwDj They arrived yesterday. Today I decided to relamp two, four tube fixtures. So far, I am thrilled with these tubes. 2500 lumens at 6000 degrees Kelvin, these tubes are very bright and come very close to daylight. Installation was very easy, I could have simply put them in the fixtures with the existing ballasts, but I wanted to get rid of the ballasts as they were old and in need of replacement. A really nice feature of these tubes is, you can use fixtures with either shunted or non-shunted tombstone connectors. Hot connects to one end of the tube and neutral to the other end. I simply cut out the ballasts, stripped the wires from either end of the fixture, bundled each side's wires together and connected one side to black and one side to white. These two relamped fixtures give me more usable light in the barn / shop / stables than three good condition normal fluorescent fixtures. Now to get my great grandson to convert the other eight fixtures. Leaving the ballast in reduces the life of the LEDS. -- Those who get too big for their britches will be exposed in the end. |
Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:52:53 -0800, T wrote:
On 12/13/2016 03:32 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote: As mentioned previously to DerbyDad, I ordered 40 of these LED replacements for fluorescent tubes. http://amzn.to/2h5hwDj They arrived yesterday. Today I decided to relamp two, four tube fixtures. So far, I am thrilled with these tubes. 2500 lumens at 6000 degrees Kelvin, these tubes are very bright and come very close to daylight. Installation was very easy, I could have simply put them in the fixtures with the existing ballasts, but I wanted to get rid of the ballasts as they were old and in need of replacement. A really nice feature of these tubes is, you can use fixtures with either shunted or non-shunted tombstone connectors. Hot connects to one end of the tube and neutral to the other end. I simply cut out the ballasts, stripped the wires from either end of the fixture, bundled each side's wires together and connected one side to black and one side to white. These two relamped fixtures give me more usable light in the barn / shop / stables than three good condition normal fluorescent fixtures. Now to get my great grandson to convert the other eight fixtures. Question: in a two bulb fixture with florescents, do you have to replace both bulbs at the same time with LED? No, not if you understand how to properly rewire the fixture. Note, I made an error in my review. These tubes WILL NOT run off the existing ballasts. The ballasts need to be removed from the circuit. This was not an issue for me as I wanted to get rid of the ballasts completely. |
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 22:01:12 -0500, advised:
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" I read with interest your suggestions because I'm doing passenger tires as we speak. Both your suggested tools clearly warn: "Not designed for removal of passenger car tires." 1. http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 2. http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 So, for the $500 to $650 bucks you recommend, you can change motorcycle and lawnmower tires, but what do you recommend for passenger car tires (which was the topic of the thread you deprecate)? |
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:51:13 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? The thread is very plainly titled "manual tire changers" _ don't know what you are reading - or who's glasses you have on - - - |
Manual tire changers
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 04:27:07 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote: On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 5:51:16 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? Up dere in Canadastan, it's really, really cold so those Canucks tend to drink a lot of booze to try to stay warm, eh. ?(?)? [8~{} Uncle Southern Monster Where in the thread entitled "manual tire changers" do you find ANYTHING about LED tubes???? I STARTED this damned thread. |
Manual tire changers
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:36:34 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote: On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:30:00 -0500, FromTheRafters wrote: Stormin' Norman laid this down on his screen : On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:51:13 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? Strange, in my reader the subject line reads "Manual Tire Changer" and when I thread the view, that is exactly how the message is displayed. Clare's message does not appear in the LED replacement tube thread. Clare's references header (which *should* be used for threading) references this article: http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...egroups.com%3E It shows as a new subject line midthread. Are you threading by subject line? I am using the view by thread function in Forte Agent. I am not positive what approach is used by Agent, if I have time later, I will try to look it up. I posted from AGENT - as a new thread. |
Manual tire changers
laid this down on his screen :
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:51:13 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? The thread is very plainly titled "manual tire changers" _ don't know what you are reading - or who's glasses you have on - - - New threads usually don't have a "References: " header, but your's does. It looks like you started a subthread and changed the subject line. |
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On 14 Dec 2016 17:48:54 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2016-12-14, Stormin' Norman wrote: Clare's message does not appear in the LED replacement tube thread. Yeah, it does. 1 D 25:[Stormin' Nor] Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes - D-9999 45:[DerbyDad03 ] 3 D 27:[clare@snyder] Manual tire changers nb Well, not sure how it happened. I had my Agent application open and clicked on "post" "New Usenet Message" and filled in the "subject" line as "manual tire changers" and went from there - SO SORRY if somehow I offended the sensative adults in the group |
Manual tire changers
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 8:22:50 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 04:27:07 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster wrote: On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 5:51:16 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? Up dere in Canadastan, it's really, really cold so those Canucks tend to drink a lot of booze to try to stay warm, eh. ?(?)? [8~{} Uncle Southern Monster Where in the thread entitled "manual tire changers" do you find ANYTHING about LED tubes???? I STARTED this damned thread. There is no thread in GG entitled "Manual tire changers". Your OP and all responses are mixed together in the "Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes". You can argue about it all you want, but that is what GG users (and I think some others) are seeing. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not so, no matter how many uppercase words you use. |
Manual tire changers
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 8:21:23 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 03:51:13 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? The thread is very plainly titled "manual tire changers" _ don't know what you are reading - or who's glasses you have on - - - Not in GG it's not. The thread is very plainly titled Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes. Your first post related to tire changing includes a "extra" subject line of "Manual tire changers". All responses to that post have an "extra" subject line of " Manual tire changers".. Unless you access this thread in GG you probably won't see what I am talking about. |
Manual tire changers
On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 01:01:04 +0000 (UTC), Frank Baron
wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 22:36:08 -0500, advised: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2yM5TVyL08 Motorcycles are different than cars in that every biker I know changes his own tires at home. Most car owners don't. Two different beasts altogether. The tools are different (especially for balancing). Get it through your thick skull. The unit he was using to change his motorcycle tire is an AUTOMOTIVE TIRE CHANGER. and I was NOT talking about balancing. The thread most definitely says "manual tire CHANGERS" Did you follow the link I gave to the Northern Tools website??? If you did, you didn't read. Typical id10t problem You are just proving what I said before about you and the type of "customer" you are. The thread was restarted under a differnt subject for a reason - and you HAD to jump in claiming to be smarter than the rest of us again - exactly as I expected you would. |
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On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 9:00:37 PM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 12/14/16 7:22 PM, wrote: Where in the thread entitled "manual tire changers" do you find ANYTHING about LED tubes???? I STARTED this damned thread. My newsreader shows two responses to the LED thread, then the tire changer thread you started, then more of the LED thread. Your thread is tucked in as if it was in response to the start of the LED one. Thunderbird on a Mac, and aioe. That is exactly what GG is showing. I'm glad it's not just GG. |
Manual tire changers
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 20:27:01 -0500, FromTheRafters
wrote: New threads usually don't have a "References: " header, but your's does. It looks like you started a subthread and changed the subject line. Exactly. In fact they never have a "Reference" (new threads). Derby was right. Clare did a piggy-back instead of starting a "new" thread subject. |
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 01:02:42 +0000 (UTC), Frank Baron
wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 22:01:12 -0500, advised: http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" I read with interest your suggestions because I'm doing passenger tires as we speak. Both your suggested tools clearly warn: "Not designed for removal of passenger car tires." 1. http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 2. http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 So, for the $500 to $650 bucks you recommend, you can change motorcycle and lawnmower tires, but what do you recommend for passenger car tires (which was the topic of the thread you deprecate)? OK - upon closer reading (mea culpa) it DOES say noit "designed" for automotive tires, but by it's construction it is definitely "better designed" than the POS you got from Harbor Frieght, and is more capable of changing automotive tires than yours - and it has all the parts and features required to change alloy rims without damaging them - and I GUARANTEE you won't bend the bead breaker. With a few MINOR additions/modifications it can be made into a "designed for automotive tires" changer that will ou-perform virtually any other manual tire changer available on the general market today. Would be nice if Harbor Frieght or Northern Tool or TSC or Princess Auto started carrying something like this at a decent price: http://www.xuanbao.com/en/html/Xb_Pr...190&SortID=136 Looks like Redline has basically the same unit on their site - http://www.redlinestands.com/catalog...earance-p-1657 at a total cost of about a grand - - - The old standard Coats 310 appears to still be available too - more of a heavy duty unit without the rim-saver features of the previous units http://www.coatsgarage.com/tire-chan...nger-model-310 About $1200 - used should be available for a few hundred if you keep your eyes open. Greg Smith's unit is almost a copy of the Northern Tool unit I started this thread with, but with the Harbor frieght style cheapass bead breaker. If this one handles light truck tires no reason the Northern unit won't http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/He...l-Tire-Changer At $149 the price isn't bad, but the Northern unit is built and designed better. No reason you could noy use this one on automotive wheels either, as far as I can see: http://www.klsupply.com/Video/TireSe...ngerVideo.aspx The "atv tool" shown is the same as many I have used for car tires over the years. The NewNoMar is another (expensive) example http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-NO-MAR-M...25.m3641.l6368 abd for seating beads most of the really HANDY guys out there could easily duplicate this baby - http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Tire-Bea...2821149471 81 A good friend of mine - a farmer-fabricator, has had his version in use for several yeares for installing wagon tires. |
Manual tire changers
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:58:07 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 8:22:50 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 04:27:07 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster wrote: On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 5:51:16 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? Up dere in Canadastan, it's really, really cold so those Canucks tend to drink a lot of booze to try to stay warm, eh. ?(?)? [8~{} Uncle Southern Monster Where in the thread entitled "manual tire changers" do you find ANYTHING about LED tubes???? I STARTED this damned thread. There is no thread in GG entitled "Manual tire changers". Your OP and all responses are mixed together in the "Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes". You can argue about it all you want, but that is what GG users (and I think some others) are seeing. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not so, no matter how many uppercase words you use. So it's a Google Groups problem -- |
Manual tire changers
On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 12:44:20 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:58:07 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 8:22:50 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 04:27:07 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster wrote: On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 5:51:16 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? Up dere in Canadastan, it's really, really cold so those Canucks tend to drink a lot of booze to try to stay warm, eh. ?(?)? [8~{} Uncle Southern Monster Where in the thread entitled "manual tire changers" do you find ANYTHING about LED tubes???? I STARTED this damned thread. There is no thread in GG entitled "Manual tire changers". Your OP and all responses are mixed together in the "Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes". You can argue about it all you want, but that is what GG users (and I think some others) are seeing. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not so, no matter how many uppercase words you use. So it's a Google Groups problem -- It also happened with Thunderbird on a Mac per Dean Hoffman. |
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 03:11:30 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 12:44:20 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:58:07 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 8:22:50 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 04:27:07 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster wrote: On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 5:51:16 AM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 10:01:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: For any of you guys following the thread about changing your own tires at home, I'm not saying you handy guys can't or shouldn't change your own tires. However, you really should consider something a few steps above the cheap Harbour Fright POS that is being discussed. If you want to be a cheap-ass - sure it is possible for someone who knows how to change tires to get away with the POS -but there are much better units on the market - and still at a reasonable price. No, I have not used the actual unit I am pointing you at. Look at the Northern Tool offering -- Manual Tire Changing Station Without Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 for $449. Also available is TSI Manual Tire Changing Station With Floor Plate, Model# CH-22/23 FP for $649. It's only 5 times as expensive as the Harbor Fright tool - but it's at least 10 times the tool http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6085_200646085 or http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...6755_200596755 See the tubular bead breaker, and the "rim clamp" that won't chew up yhose fancy alloy rims, A whole lot more adjustment to the bead braker, and a much better designed "shoe" on the breaker too. With that tool, you might actually pay for it with your savings changing your own tires - if you have an understanding of what's involved and can appreciate the differnce between the "machines" Why are you talking about tire changers in a thread about LED replacement tubes? Why didn't you start a new thread with a relevant subject line? Up dere in Canadastan, it's really, really cold so those Canucks tend to drink a lot of booze to try to stay warm, eh. ?(?)? [8~{} Uncle Southern Monster Where in the thread entitled "manual tire changers" do you find ANYTHING about LED tubes???? I STARTED this damned thread. There is no thread in GG entitled "Manual tire changers". Your OP and all responses are mixed together in the "Review: LED replacements for T8 Fluorescent Tubes". You can argue about it all you want, but that is what GG users (and I think some others) are seeing. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not so, no matter how many uppercase words you use. So it's a Google Groups problem -- It also happened with Thunderbird on a Mac per Dean Hoffman. OK So I screwed up. Using Agent I don't see it. |
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After serious thinking Oren wrote :
On Wed, 14 Dec 2016 20:27:01 -0500, FromTheRafters wrote: New threads usually don't have a "References: " header, but your's does. It looks like you started a subthread and changed the subject line. Exactly. In fact they never have a "Reference" (new threads). Derby was right. Clare did a piggy-back instead of starting a "new" thread subject. Yes, I purposefully understated the fact by using 'usually'. I suppose one could insert such a header field in an actual new thread OP without it being rejected by the injecting server, and some people would do just that to prove someone else's statement wrong. I might test that just to see if it works. |
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