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On 8/5/16 11:16 AM, Oren wrote: "You libs" want to call people names, demean the person but can't or ever speak about facts actually that sounds more like uncle monster Actually, it sounds a lot like Oren. |
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On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 21:20:38 -0400, Don Wiss
wrote: On Sun, 7 Aug 2016, "Percival P. Cassidy" wrote: misanthrope wrote: http://www.chronicle-express.com/new...oof-identified If anybody else posted this already, I didn't notice it: http://rochestercremation.com/obitua...istopher-young Have the other newsgroups he frequented been notified of his death? And these links posted? This is a good idea, but what other newsgroups did he use, and are any of those newsgroups still "active". I recall seeing his name on other newsgroups in the past, but the only ones I can recall, are some of the automotive repair groups. Those groups are all but dead now. I know he posted to alt.hvac too. (Which is still a bit active), and saw a post on there about his passing. I did a google search for his name, and found there are many people with that name, and the search results were useless. |
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On 08/08/2016 09:14 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Yea, my cool friend. Some weasel didn't like what I had to say and complained so Facebooger won't allow me to login to my account without a scan of government issued ID which I don't think they have any business with. I can always open another account with a variation of my name but Leftist weasels would complain about that too. They believe in freedom of speech as long as it applies to only them. ^_^ You're blaming the wrong people. It's Facebook's policy to demand proof of ID whenever they decide to do so. Sometimes it's a random pick, but from reports it seems to be more likely to happen with accounts that have a lot of activity. If you have a beef, it's with Facebook, but you agreed to their terms of service when signing up, which includes giving correct information and providing more if/when requested. They need real people to sell their data to advertisers. I agree with you that their demanding proof of ID is annoying, but after all, they own it, so they get to set the conditions for others to use it. I have a FB account under a phony name with lots of phony details, and I've never been asked to provide proof of ID. Then again, I only log into it maybe twice a year. If they did ask for ID, I'd just abandon the account. I only set it up to be able to occasionally check out something on FB. I have two FB accounts (one created more or less by accident) tied to two different email addresses,and I keep getting "a lot has happened since you logged in last" emails, but I have never been asked for any proof of identity. The one i have never used at all; the other I used for the first time only recently, in order to participate in a private group discussion. I have no FB friends and am nobody's FB friend. Perce |
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ChairMan posted for all of us...
wrote: has the cow ever had accurate info? In this century? On this planet? anytime, anywhere That answer is NO -- Tekkie |
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On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 11:41:46 PM UTC-5, ChairMan wrote:
ItsJoanNotJoann wrote: What I posted doesn't hold a candle to some of the comments I've seen over there. I have a fake account and post some anti bammy/BLM/billary/liberal all the time and have never had an issue with ID YMMV Someone from #BLM Clan must have flagged me. They can dish it out but can't take their own medicine. |
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On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 12:44:24 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 21:20:38 -0400, Don Wiss wrote: Have the other newsgroups he frequented been notified of his death? And these links posted? I did a google search for his name, and found there are many people with that name, and the search results were useless. I went to Google Groups and searched on Stormin Mormon. The only recent posts were to alt.hvac (which we knew) and alt.locksmithing. Both groups had the original article reposted by TomR. I added the condolences link to each. He may have posted in a Mormon group recently, but my news server did not have the group. Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). |
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... On 8/7/2016 3:31 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote: If anybody else posted this already, I didn't notice it: http://rochestercremation.com/obitua...istopher-young Perce Had not seen it. Thanks for posting Same here..., had not seen it. Thanks for posting it. |
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... On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 12:44:24 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 07 Aug 2016 21:20:38 -0400, Don Wiss wrote: On Sun, 7 Aug 2016, "Percival P. Cassidy" wrote: misanthrope wrote: http://www.chronicle-express.com/new...oof-identified If anybody else posted this already, I didn't notice it: http://rochestercremation.com/obitua...istopher-young Have the other newsgroups he frequented been notified of his death? And these links posted? This is a good idea, but what other newsgroups did he use, and are any of those newsgroups still "active". I recall seeing his name on other newsgroups in the past, but the only ones I can recall, are some of the automotive repair groups. Those groups are all but dead now. I know he posted to alt.hvac too. (Which is still a bit active), and saw a post on there about his passing. I did a google search for his name, and found there are many people with that name, and the search results were useless. alt.ham.radio I just found his posts on alt.ham-radio (I couldn't find alt.ham.radio) and I posted a notice there. |
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On 8/8/2016 8:55 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
On Mon He may have posted in a Mormon group recently, but my news server did not have the group. Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). He posted some in misc.survivalism |
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 17:18:35 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
In , trader_4 typed: On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 4:29:49 PM UTC-4, Percival P. Cassidy wrote: On 08/04/2016 12:32 PM, misanthrope wrote: http://www.chronicle-express.com/new...oof-identified Posted Jul. 25, 2016 at 10:32 AM PENN YAN - Penn Yan Police have identified the man who died last week the roof of the Walgreen's Drug Store on the corner of Liberty and Elm Streets in Penn Yan. Police Chief Mark Hulse reports that Christopher A. Young, 54, of Farmington, was admitted to the roof of Walgreens by internal access Tuesday, July 19 to clean the roof drains. There he suffered a heart related incident and died. As an independent contractor hired by the Walgreens Corp., Hulse says no one at the store knew Young's name nor noticed when he did not come down from the roof. Young's unattended vehicle was later reported to police who attempted to contact him, but the connection to the man who went up on the roof was not made until store employees checked the store security video, and then discovered his body on the roof at 2:10 p.m. July 22. Young's name was withheld by police until his family had been notified. He lived alone with no one to report him missing. Hulse says Young had only a sister living near him, but it was not unusual for them to be out of touch for periods of time. Young's body was removed to Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Hospital where the post mortem was performed by a local pathologist, Dr. Dean, who ruled the death to be by natural causes related to the heart. Local Walgreens store management referred all questions to Walgreen's Corporation Media Relations Dept. personnel, who refused to comment. And this *is* "our" Christopher A. Young? See the other thread, a lot of evidence it is. Stormin's last post here was on July 19. The police say the person that died at Walgreens went to the roof on that day, to clean roof drains. That was the type of work that Stormin could have been doing, right? I know he lived in upstate NY, not sure where, but the death is in upstate. And someone tracked down the address of the person that died on google earth and verified it was a trailer, Stormin lived in a trailer. Yes, as you said, it appears to be true. Very sad news. I always enjoyed his posts. He had a good sense of humor, posted some really clever stuff, and he genuinely tried to be helpful in his posts in response to others' questions. Someone here had posted his possible/probable address in Farmington, NY and was looking for a "Street View" map of his address. I searched the address on BingMaps.com and it also showed a link for that address which was http://www.chrisyoungsshop.com/wordpress/ and that link referred to the kinds of things he did such as locksmithing, heating/refrigeration, etc. BingMaps.com has what is called a "Birds Eye" view setting that gives a good aerial view of his address. I also looked up the address of the Walgreen's in the article ( 226 Liberty Street, Penn Yan, NY ) at BingMaps.com and did a Bird's Eye view of that Walgreen's. Although there is no way to really be sure just from the news article, but I suspect that he did not suffer in his passing even though the article said that he was not found for a number of days. I say this based several factors. He apparently was up on a flat roof based on the Bird's Eye view of the property and got access from inside the Walgreen's. So, he was in an open space and not "stuck" somewhere. And, I assume that he had a cell phone. So, if he was conscious, but suffering in any way (chest pain, trouble breathing, dizziness, etc), he would have called 9-1-1. My guess is that is simply had a "cardiac event", such as what is sometimes called "sudden cardiac death" (and/or an episode of V-fib -- "ventricular fibrillation") which basically just causes someone to immediately pass out unconscious and, if not corrected/resolved, the person never wakes up. In other words, no suffering -- almost like falling asleep. I only mention this because in situations similar to this, people always wonder if the person was alone and suffering for a long time before dying. My guess is that he never even knew what happened, he just had an arrhythmia and immediately passed out unconscious and never woke up. I hope I get that lucky. I don't fear death. I fear dying. One of his last posts here that I was able to find was the following, which was an example of his good natured sense of humor that will be missed. He wrote: SUBJECT: Danny D bettting Pool on refrigerator (July 13, 2016) Some out there has to have experience running a betting pool. Will Danny D repair his refrigrator, or replace? What date? And will he choose the outcome, or will his wife issue an executive order? My vote is: replace. June 21. By EO. |
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On 8/4/2016 11:32 AM, misanthrope wrote:
http://www.chronicle-express.com/new...oof-identified Posted Jul. 25, 2016 at 10:32 AM PENN YAN €“ Penn Yan Police have identified the man who died last week the roof of the Walgreen's Drug Store on the corner of Liberty and Elm Streets in Penn Yan. Police Chief Mark Hulse reports that Christopher A. Young, 54, of Farmington, was admitted to the roof of Walgreens by internal access Tuesday, July 19 to clean the roof drains. There he suffered a heart related incident and died. As an independent contractor hired by the Walgreens Corp., Hulse says no one at the store knew Young's name nor noticed when he did not come down from the roof. Young's unattended vehicle was later reported to police who attempted to contact him, but the connection to the man who went up on the roof was not made until store employees checked the store security video, and then discovered his body on the roof at 2:10 p.m. July 22. Young's name was withheld by police until his family had been notified. He lived alone with no one to report him missing. Hulse says Young had only a sister living near him, but it was not unusual for them to be out of touch for periods of time. Young's body was removed to Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Hospital where the post mortem was performed by a local pathologist, Dr. Dean, who ruled the death to be by natural causes related to the heart. Local Walgreens store management referred all questions to Walgreens Corporation Media Relations Dept. personnel, who refused to comment. sorry to hear that he passed away that is assuming the identity of Stormin Norman is of the individual in the news article. -- Dilbert Firestorm remove *byteme* to email me |
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On 8/7/2016 8:20 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
On Sun, 7 Aug 2016, "Percival P. Cassidy" wrote: misanthrope wrote: http://www.chronicle-express.com/new...oof-identified If anybody else posted this already, I didn't notice it: http://rochestercremation.com/obitua...istopher-young Have the other newsgroups he frequented been notified of his death? And these links posted? Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). someone said he owned a blazer. that would make it an S10 blazer. I have seen him hang out on www.S10planet.com as stormin mormon. this website is currently down. He was also on newsgroups alt.trucks.chevy & trucks.chevy --- Dilbert Firestorm remove *byteme* to email me |
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On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 1:54:26 AM UTC-5, dilbert firestorm wrote:
On 8/4/2016 11:32 AM, misanthrope wrote: http://www.chronicle-express.com/new...oof-identified Posted Jul. 25, 2016 at 10:32 AM PENN YAN €“ Penn Yan Police have identified the man who died last week the roof of the Walgreen's Drug Store on the corner of Liberty and Elm Streets in Penn Yan. Police Chief Mark Hulse reports that Christopher A. Young, 54, of Farmington, was admitted to the roof of Walgreens by internal access Tuesday, July 19 to clean the roof drains. There he suffered a heart related incident and died. As an independent contractor hired by the Walgreens Corp., Hulse says no one at the store knew Young's name nor noticed when he did not come down from the roof. Young's unattended vehicle was later reported to police who attempted to contact him, but the connection to the man who went up on the roof was not made until store employees checked the store security video, and then discovered his body on the roof at 2:10 p.m. July 22. Young's name was withheld by police until his family had been notified. He lived alone with no one to report him missing. Hulse says Young had only a sister living near him, but it was not unusual for them to be out of touch for periods of time. Young's body was removed to Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Hospital where the post mortem was performed by a local pathologist, Dr. Dean, who ruled the death to be by natural causes related to the heart. Local Walgreens store management referred all questions to Walgreens Corporation Media Relations Dept. personnel, who refused to comment. sorry to hear that he passed away that is assuming the identity of Stormin Norman is of the individual in the news article. -- Dilbert Firestorm I can't help but think that if Chris had been on the roof with a helper, he'd still be with us. When I had a heart attack, I was with a group of people and close to a fire station and paramedics. I was lucky to not be alone. 8-( [8~{} Uncle Sad Monster |
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On 8/21/2016 2:53 AM, dilbert firestorm wrote:
sorry to hear that he passed away that is assuming the identity of Stormin Norman is of the individual in the news article. That was him. His obit was posted a couple of weeks ago too. |
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Uncle Monster wrote: I can't help but think that if Chris had been on the roof with a helper, he'd still be with us. When I had a heart attack, I was with a group of people and close to a fire station and paramedics. I was lucky to not be alone. 8-( Going undiscovered for days is the most peculiar aspect to his death. The writeup implies a connection between the cops looking into his vehicle and the store employee checking their cctv. That may not be the case, but I wonder how much longer is may have been if the cops hadn't inquired. A couple other cases like that. One in RI made the news because the death was not discovered until a year later and supposedly the TV stayed on the entire time. Another was circa 2000 where someone made entry to a home they bought at a tax auction and found the remains of the pevious owner in a recliner. He'd died 5 years earlier. A neighbor had cut the weeds down a couple times a year, but no one had checked on him. m |
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On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:52:37 AM UTC-4, Fake ID wrote:
In article , Uncle Monster wrote: I can't help but think that if Chris had been on the roof with a helper, he'd still be with us. When I had a heart attack, I was with a group of people and close to a fire station and paramedics. I was lucky to not be alone. 8-( Going undiscovered for days is the most peculiar aspect to his death. The writeup implies a connection between the cops looking into his vehicle and the store employee checking their cctv. That may not be the case, but I wonder how much longer is may have been if the cops hadn't inquired. Which is why I questioned the store's security/visitor policies earlier in this thread (or maybe It was the other thread about Stromy's passing). How come no one knew he was still on the roof when they closed? Someone gave him access to the roof yet they didn't have his name even after his body was found? What's that line on the new Burger King commercial? "Somebody is going to get fired." |
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On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 9:02:58 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:52:37 AM UTC-4, Fake ID wrote: In article , Uncle Monster wrote: I can't help but think that if Chris had been on the roof with a helper, he'd still be with us. When I had a heart attack, I was with a group of people and close to a fire station and paramedics. I was lucky to not be alone. 8-( Going undiscovered for days is the most peculiar aspect to his death. The writeup implies a connection between the cops looking into his vehicle and the store employee checking their cctv. That may not be the case, but I wonder how much longer is may have been if the cops hadn't inquired. Which is why I questioned the store's security/visitor policies earlier in this thread (or maybe It was the other thread about Stromy's passing). How come no one knew he was still on the roof when they closed? Someone gave him access to the roof yet they didn't have his name even after his body was found? What's that line on the new Burger King commercial? "Somebody is going to get fired." If access to the roof was considered a "confined space", Mormy should have reported to a manager. That manager is responsible to check on him "regularly" according to OSHA regs. |
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on 8/25/2016, DerbyDad03 supposed :
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:52:37 AM UTC-4, Fake ID wrote: In article , Uncle Monster wrote: I can't help but think that if Chris had been on the roof with a helper, he'd still be with us. When I had a heart attack, I was with a group of people and close to a fire station and paramedics. I was lucky to not be alone. 8-( Going undiscovered for days is the most peculiar aspect to his death. The writeup implies a connection between the cops looking into his vehicle and the store employee checking their cctv. That may not be the case, but I wonder how much longer is may have been if the cops hadn't inquired. Which is why I questioned the store's security/visitor policies earlier in this thread (or maybe It was the other thread about Stromy's passing). How come no one knew he was still on the roof when they closed? Someone gave him access to the roof yet they didn't have his name even after his body was found? What's that line on the new Burger King commercial? "Somebody is going to get fired." One of the articles I read on this subject stated that Mormy had 'self-access' to the roof. I took that to mean that he had his own key to the space. |
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On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 10:13:47 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 9:02:58 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:52:37 AM UTC-4, Fake ID wrote: In article , Uncle Monster wrote: I can't help but think that if Chris had been on the roof with a helper, he'd still be with us. When I had a heart attack, I was with a group of people and close to a fire station and paramedics. I was lucky to not be alone. 8-( Going undiscovered for days is the most peculiar aspect to his death. The writeup implies a connection between the cops looking into his vehicle and the store employee checking their cctv. That may not be the case, but I wonder how much longer is may have been if the cops hadn't inquired. Which is why I questioned the store's security/visitor policies earlier in this thread (or maybe It was the other thread about Stromy's passing). How come no one knew he was still on the roof when they closed? Someone gave him access to the roof yet they didn't have his name even after his body was found? What's that line on the new Burger King commercial? "Somebody is going to get fired." If access to the roof was considered a "confined space", Mormy should have reported to a manager. That manager is responsible to check on him "regularly" according to OSHA regs. Confined or not, someone in management should have been involved. I doubt that the non- management staff has the authority to grant access to non-public spaces in and around the store. They may have the *ability* to give someone access I doubt that they have the *authority*. One of the early articles said he was "granted access to the roof". What may have happened: Stormy: "Hi. I'm here to clean the roof drains. Can you show me the door to the roof?" Employee: "Go through that door to the stock room and up the ladder on your left." What should have happened: Stormy: "Hi. I'm here to clean the roof drains. Can you show me the door to the roof?" Employee: "Please wait here while I call the manager." Manager: "May I please see some identification? Thank you. Please sign here and please let me know when you are done." |
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On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 10:44:44 AM UTC-4, FromTheRafters wrote:
on 8/25/2016, DerbyDad03 supposed : On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:52:37 AM UTC-4, Fake ID wrote: In article , Uncle Monster wrote: I can't help but think that if Chris had been on the roof with a helper, he'd still be with us. When I had a heart attack, I was with a group of people and close to a fire station and paramedics. I was lucky to not be alone. 8-( Going undiscovered for days is the most peculiar aspect to his death. The writeup implies a connection between the cops looking into his vehicle and the store employee checking their cctv. That may not be the case, but I wonder how much longer is may have been if the cops hadn't inquired. Which is why I questioned the store's security/visitor policies earlier in this thread (or maybe It was the other thread about Stromy's passing). How come no one knew he was still on the roof when they closed? Someone gave him access to the roof yet they didn't have his name even after his body was found? What's that line on the new Burger King commercial? "Somebody is going to get fired." One of the articles I read on this subject stated that Mormy had 'self-access' to the roof. I took that to mean that he had his own key to the space. Do you have a link to that article? This article states that he was "admitted" to the roof, which I take to mean that someone in the store gave him access. http://www.chronicle-express.com/new...oof-identified |
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DerbyDad03 typed: On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:52:37 AM UTC-4, Fake ID wrote: In article , Uncle Monster wrote: I can't help but think that if Chris had been on the roof with a helper, he'd still be with us. When I had a heart attack, I was with a group of people and close to a fire station and paramedics. I was lucky to not be alone. 8-( Going undiscovered for days is the most peculiar aspect to his death. The writeup implies a connection between the cops looking into his vehicle and the store employee checking their cctv. That may not be the case, but I wonder how much longer is may have been if the cops hadn't inquired. Which is why I questioned the store's security/visitor policies earlier in this thread (or maybe It was the other thread about Stormy's passing). How come no one knew he was still on the roof when they closed? My guess is that someone just showed him how to get indoor access to the flat roof to begin working. It may have even been though a hatch door in the ceiling of a back room that also has a built-in ladder up to the hatch. And, of course, that person could have gone off duty not knowing if he had already finished work and came down or if he was still up there. And, as I wrote previously, I suspect that he just suffered a sudden cardiac death (where someone suddenly collapses unconscious and their heart stops), and never knew what happened and didn't suffer in any way. And, in that event, unless someone happened to witness that collapse, or by some chance happened to have checked on him with the first 4 or 5 minutes of the collapse, having someone check on him any time after that would have been too late to do anything to revive or save him. Again, this is all just speculation on my part based on the limited information that we have available. But, I suspect that his passing was sudden and that he did not suffer in any way. |
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On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 10:55:30 AM UTC-4, TomR wrote:
In , DerbyDad03 typed: On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:52:37 AM UTC-4, Fake ID wrote: In article , Uncle Monster wrote: I can't help but think that if Chris had been on the roof with a helper, he'd still be with us. When I had a heart attack, I was with a group of people and close to a fire station and paramedics. I was lucky to not be alone. 8-( Going undiscovered for days is the most peculiar aspect to his death. The writeup implies a connection between the cops looking into his vehicle and the store employee checking their cctv. That may not be the case, but I wonder how much longer is may have been if the cops hadn't inquired. Which is why I questioned the store's security/visitor policies earlier in this thread (or maybe It was the other thread about Stormy's passing). How come no one knew he was still on the roof when they closed? My guess is that someone just showed him how to get indoor access to the flat roof to begin working. It may have even been though a hatch door in the ceiling of a back room that also has a built-in ladder up to the hatch. And, of course, that person could have gone off duty not knowing if he had already finished work and came down or if he was still up there. And, as I wrote previously, I suspect that he just suffered a sudden cardiac death (where someone suddenly collapses unconscious and their heart stops), and never knew what happened and didn't suffer in any way. And, in that event, unless someone happened to witness that collapse, or by some chance happened to have checked on him with the first 4 or 5 minutes of the collapse, having someone check on him any time after that would have been too late to do anything to revive or save him. Again, this is all just speculation on my part based on the limited information that we have available. But, I suspect that his passing was sudden and that he did not suffer in any way. All of this is similar to closing the store with someone still in the restroom. Regardless of whether they could have saved him or not, someone should have been aware that a non-employee was still on the premises before closing the store and leaving. |
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DerbyDad03 laid this down on his screen :
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 10:44:44 AM UTC-4, FromTheRafters wrote: on 8/25/2016, DerbyDad03 supposed : On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:52:37 AM UTC-4, Fake ID wrote: In article , Uncle Monster wrote: I can't help but think that if Chris had been on the roof with a helper, he'd still be with us. When I had a heart attack, I was with a group of people and close to a fire station and paramedics. I was lucky to not be alone. 8-( Going undiscovered for days is the most peculiar aspect to his death. The writeup implies a connection between the cops looking into his vehicle and the store employee checking their cctv. That may not be the case, but I wonder how much longer is may have been if the cops hadn't inquired. Which is why I questioned the store's security/visitor policies earlier in this thread (or maybe It was the other thread about Stromy's passing). How come no one knew he was still on the roof when they closed? Someone gave him access to the roof yet they didn't have his name even after his body was found? What's that line on the new Burger King commercial? "Somebody is going to get fired." One of the articles I read on this subject stated that Mormy had 'self-access' to the roof. I took that to mean that he had his own key to the space. Do you have a link to that article? This article states that he was "admitted" to the roof, which I take to mean that someone in the store gave him access. http://www.chronicle-express.com/new...oof-identified Reviewing my two browsers' history to URLs and following links therein turns up nothing except what you have noted. I remember seeing that 'self-access' (a bad idea) and wondering to myself if that was even legal, let alone something an insurance policy would allow. |
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On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 10:11:31 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 10:55:30 AM UTC-4, TomR wrote: In , DerbyDad03 typed: On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:52:37 AM UTC-4, Fake ID wrote: In article , Uncle Monster wrote: I can't help but think that if Chris had been on the roof with a helper, he'd still be with us. When I had a heart attack, I was with a group of people and close to a fire station and paramedics. I was lucky to not be alone. 8-( Going undiscovered for days is the most peculiar aspect to his death.. The writeup implies a connection between the cops looking into his vehicle and the store employee checking their cctv. That may not be the case, but I wonder how much longer is may have been if the cops hadn't inquired. Which is why I questioned the store's security/visitor policies earlier in this thread (or maybe It was the other thread about Stormy's passing). How come no one knew he was still on the roof when they closed? My guess is that someone just showed him how to get indoor access to the flat roof to begin working. It may have even been though a hatch door in the ceiling of a back room that also has a built-in ladder up to the hatch. And, of course, that person could have gone off duty not knowing if he had already finished work and came down or if he was still up there. And, as I wrote previously, I suspect that he just suffered a sudden cardiac death (where someone suddenly collapses unconscious and their heart stops), and never knew what happened and didn't suffer in any way. And, in that event, unless someone happened to witness that collapse, or by some chance happened to have checked on him with the first 4 or 5 minutes of the collapse, having someone check on him any time after that would have been too late to do anything to revive or save him. Again, this is all just speculation on my part based on the limited information that we have available. But, I suspect that his passing was sudden and that he did not suffer in any way. All of this is similar to closing the store with someone still in the restroom. Regardless of whether they could have saved him or not, someone should have been aware that a non-employee was still on the premises before closing the store and leaving. When I was still working and doing contract labor for a national service organization, me and the guys had to check-in with both the store manager and the dispatcher for the service company when we got to the store. Some were drugstores just like that one Chris went to with a ladder in the stock room leading to a roof hatch. Dispatch would call after 30 minutes to check our progress and when we finished the job, we called dispatch to let them know we were finished. Me and JH went to a drugstore to service an energy management system that had control problem. Several people including the management personnel knew we were there and going up on the roof. We spent a limited amount of time on the roof because the outdoor ambient air temp was over 100°F and much hotter on the roof. We carried walkie-talkies and if one of us had to leave the roof to check something on the other end of the control wiring, we stayed in radio contact. I can't help believe that if Chris had been on the job with a helper, he'd be alive today. Paramedics saved my life and could have saved Chris if they had gotten to him in time. 8-( [8~{} Uncle Sad Monster |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 07:48:09 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: Confined or not, someone in management should have been involved. I doubt that the non- management staff has the authority to grant access to non-public spaces in and around the store. They may have the *ability* to give someone access I doubt that they have the *authority*. One of the early articles said he was "granted access to the roof". What may have happened: Stormy: "Hi. I'm here to clean the roof drains. Can you show me the door to the roof?" Employee: "Go through that door to the stock room and up the ladder on your left." What should have happened: Stormy: "Hi. I'm here to clean the roof drains. Can you show me the door to the roof?" Employee: "Please wait here while I call the manager." Manager: "May I please see some identification? Thank you. Please sign here and please let me know when you are done." Agree. An employee failed to check his area of responsibly before going home for the day. A prison inmate missed the count. Placed on escape status. region and central office were notified. Next morning I secured the guy. Thinking he had tried to escape, failed and returned to the building. Wrong. Staff locked him in the education department and just went home. I'm not sure Walgreen employees are bright. I've been wrong before. |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 08:11:26 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: Again, this is all just speculation on my part based on the limited information that we have available. But, I suspect that his passing was sudden and that he did not suffer in any way. All of this is similar to closing the store with someone still in the restroom. Regardless of whether they could have saved him or not, someone should have been aware that a non-employee was still on the premises before closing the store and leaving. +1 Manager or Asst. Mgr. didn't do a walk-around before leaving. How many Walgreen employees know how to operate a fire extinguisher? |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 10:55:24 -0400, "TomR" wrote:
My guess is that someone just showed him how to get indoor access to the flat roof to begin working. It may have even been though a hatch door in the ceiling of a back room that also has a built-in ladder up to the hatch. And, of course, that person could have gone off duty not knowing if he had already finished work and came down or if he was still up there. I doubt it was a hatch door. Buildings like that would have a stairs leading to a bulkhead. He would have closed the door to the bulkhead. A hatch would usually be left open. And, as I wrote previously, I suspect that he just suffered a sudden cardiac death (where someone suddenly collapses unconscious and their heart stops), and never knew what happened and didn't suffer in any way. And, in that event, unless someone happened to witness that collapse, or by some chance happened to have checked on him with the first 4 or 5 minutes of the collapse, having someone check on him any time after that would have been too late to do anything to revive or save him. A member of an acting club that I am also a member of recently died of a heart attack. He went out for a walk. He collapsed at the door to his building. No one noticed him for a while. And when they did he was dead. Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 09:16:50 -0700, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 07:48:09 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: Confined or not, someone in management should have been involved. I doubt that the non- management staff has the authority to grant access to non-public spaces in and around the store. They may have the *ability* to give someone access I doubt that they have the *authority*. One of the early articles said he was "granted access to the roof". What may have happened: Stormy: "Hi. I'm here to clean the roof drains. Can you show me the door to the roof?" Employee: "Go through that door to the stock room and up the ladder on your left." What should have happened: Stormy: "Hi. I'm here to clean the roof drains. Can you show me the door to the roof?" Employee: "Please wait here while I call the manager." Manager: "May I please see some identification? Thank you. Please sign here and please let me know when you are done." Agree. An employee failed to check his area of responsibly before going home for the day. A prison inmate missed the count. Placed on escape status. region and central office were notified. Next morning I secured the guy. Thinking he had tried to escape, failed and returned to the building. Wrong. Staff locked him in the education department and just went home. I'm not sure Walgreen employees are bright. I've been wrong before. Maybe he top posted his signature. |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:54:15 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 09:16:50 -0700, Oren wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 07:48:09 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: Confined or not, someone in management should have been involved. I doubt that the non- management staff has the authority to grant access to non-public spaces in and around the store. They may have the *ability* to give someone access I doubt that they have the *authority*. One of the early articles said he was "granted access to the roof". What may have happened: Stormy: "Hi. I'm here to clean the roof drains. Can you show me the door to the roof?" Employee: "Go through that door to the stock room and up the ladder on your left." What should have happened: Stormy: "Hi. I'm here to clean the roof drains. Can you show me the door to the roof?" Employee: "Please wait here while I call the manager." Manager: "May I please see some identification? Thank you. Please sign here and please let me know when you are done." Agree. An employee failed to check his area of responsibly before going home for the day. A prison inmate missed the count. Placed on escape status. region and central office were notified. Next morning I secured the guy. Thinking he had tried to escape, failed and returned to the building. Wrong. Staff locked him in the education department and just went home. I'm not sure Walgreen employees are bright. I've been wrong before. Maybe he top posted his signature. More likely used his own personal version of "center posting" where his sig could not be found - - - |
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Uncle Monster formulated on Thursday :
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 10:11:31 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 10:55:30 AM UTC-4, TomR wrote: In , DerbyDad03 typed: On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 3:52:37 AM UTC-4, Fake ID wrote: In article , Uncle Monster wrote: I can't help but think that if Chris had been on the roof with a helper, he'd still be with us. When I had a heart attack, I was with a group of people and close to a fire station and paramedics. I was lucky to not be alone. 8-( Going undiscovered for days is the most peculiar aspect to his death. The writeup implies a connection between the cops looking into his vehicle and the store employee checking their cctv. That may not be the case, but I wonder how much longer is may have been if the cops hadn't inquired. Which is why I questioned the store's security/visitor policies earlier in this thread (or maybe It was the other thread about Stormy's passing). How come no one knew he was still on the roof when they closed? My guess is that someone just showed him how to get indoor access to the flat roof to begin working. It may have even been though a hatch door in the ceiling of a back room that also has a built-in ladder up to the hatch. And, of course, that person could have gone off duty not knowing if he had already finished work and came down or if he was still up there. And, as I wrote previously, I suspect that he just suffered a sudden cardiac death (where someone suddenly collapses unconscious and their heart stops), and never knew what happened and didn't suffer in any way. And, in that event, unless someone happened to witness that collapse, or by some chance happened to have checked on him with the first 4 or 5 minutes of the collapse, having someone check on him any time after that would have been too late to do anything to revive or save him. Again, this is all just speculation on my part based on the limited information that we have available. But, I suspect that his passing was sudden and that he did not suffer in any way. All of this is similar to closing the store with someone still in the restroom. Regardless of whether they could have saved him or not, someone should have been aware that a non-employee was still on the premises before closing the store and leaving. When I was still working and doing contract labor for a national service organization, me and the guys had to check-in with both the store manager and the dispatcher for the service company when we got to the store. Some were drugstores just like that one Chris went to with a ladder in the stock room leading to a roof hatch. Dispatch would call after 30 minutes to check our progress and when we finished the job, we called dispatch to let them know we were finished. Me and JH went to a drugstore to service an energy management system that had control problem. Several people including the management personnel knew we were there and going up on the roof. We spent a limited amount of time on the roof because the outdoor ambient air temp was over 100°F and much hotter on the roof. We carried walkie-talkies and if one of us had to leave the roof to check something on the other end of the control wiring, we stayed in radio contact. I can't help believe that if Chris had been on the job with a helper, he'd be alive today. Paramedics saved my life and could have saved Chris if they had gotten to him in time. 8-( [8~{} Uncle Sad Monster I had the same feeling. It is best to not work alone if at all possible. Of course, those who failed to be saved by paramedics aren't posting the details of their experiences. Here are some stats for anyone interested. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3475859/ns.../#.V78o1RIoGkA |
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My guess is that someone just showed him how to get indoor access to the flat roof to begin working. or this may have been a return gig and he already knew how to get to the roof and he just "checked in" with one of the employees in a routine way on his way. |
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On 8/6/2016 9:23 AM, ChairMan wrote:
Jack G. wrote: On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 11:42:28 AM UTC-7, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote: On 8/4/2016 11:21 AM, Frank wrote: On 8/4/2016 12:54 PM, Oren wrote: 309 Dale Drive, Farmington NY,, 14425 Reddish something there but Google Earth has no street view. Also looks like a trailer. Age is about right from what I remember. Sounds like him. Real shame as he was a lively contributor here and did appear to like to help people. Will miss him. Speak fer yerself, Frank. LOL You need to go back to your left wing group. This thread is for adults and not trolls. Exactly, to bad it wasn't the colon on that roof. I KNOW no one would come looking for him. I would take bets that the buzzards wouldn't even eat him Yer mom ate me, rubber lips. LOL |
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On 8/6/2016 9:33 AM, Jack G. wrote:
On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 9:23:16 AM UTC-7, ChairMan wrote: Jack G. wrote: On Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 11:42:28 AM UTC-7, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote: On 8/4/2016 11:21 AM, Frank wrote: On 8/4/2016 12:54 PM, Oren wrote: 309 Dale Drive, Farmington NY,, 14425 Reddish something there but Google Earth has no street view. Also looks like a trailer. Age is about right from what I remember. Sounds like him. Real shame as he was a lively contributor here and did appear to like to help people. Will miss him. Speak fer yerself, Frank. LOL You need to go back to your left wing group. This thread is for adults and not trolls. Exactly, to bad it wasn't the colon on that roof. I KNOW no one would come looking for him. I would take bets that the buzzards wouldn't even eat him He is only liked at alt war vietnam. Which is infected with fruit loops and left wing loons. He is their hero. gag Thanks fer backin' this old war horse's six, Jack. May the Eye of Horus look upon you with kindness. Amen |
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On 8/6/2016 4:32 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
It's a desperate attempt for attention and he hopes to start a fight. The groups I see him blabbering on NO ONE pays him one ounce of attention. Folks, looks like we gots another "shrink" in the froup. LOL -- The true worth of any woman is barefoot, pregnant, and baking cookies. |
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All deaf people should be put to the sword.
Amen. |
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On 8/5/2016 6:07 PM, bob_villa wrote:
On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 6:47:27 PM UTC-5, Uncle Monster wrote: On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 6:22:08 PM UTC-5, bob_villa wrote: On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 4:00:26 PM UTC-5, Uncle Monster wrote: From what I've seen, you're trying to make it all about you. I'm having a discussion with some other folks about the importance of paying attention to one's health. Do you have anything to contribute to that conversation or are you just going to have a ****ing contest with Oren? ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Obese-savant Monster Seriously, this rant is about invader-trolls that disparage someone for her point of view...and Oren, with his great engorged ego, chooses to take their side. You, on the other hand, want everyone to feel sorry for you...not this time. Oh come on Booby V. You make fun of people who are disabled because you're a racist! I'm fighting hard to beat my infirmities but you will never recover from your mental illness. You should seek treatment. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Psycho-blogger Monster ...same ****...different day. You guys never change your spots. At least you haven't joined the *other* side of invading trolls! You two fellas need a room? LOL |
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On 8/25/2016 10:02 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Going undiscovered for days is the most peculiar aspect to his death. The writeup implies a connection between the cops looking into his vehicle and the store employee checking their cctv. That may not be the case, but I wonder how much longer is may have been if the cops hadn't inquired. Which is why I questioned the store's security/visitor policies earlier in this thread (or maybe It was the other thread about Stromy's passing). How come no one knew he was still on the roof when they closed? Someone gave him access to the roof yet they didn't have his name even after his body was found? Look at the staff of your typical retail store and you have the answer. No one knows anything or cares. |
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 13:04:48 -0700, "Colonel Edmund J. Burke" wrote:
On 8/6/2016 4:32 PM, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote: It's a desperate attempt for attention and he hopes to start a fight. The groups I see him blabbering on NO ONE pays him one ounce of attention. Folks, looks like we gots another "shrink" in the froup. LOL Speaking of death in the group, did Homeless Lisa finally die of hypochondria? -- Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. "It is my learned opinion that a man should not mince words just to spare the sensibilities of the thin-skinned or the ignorant." |
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