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Where should smoking be illegal?
On 30/05/2016 13:40, Bod wrote:
On 30/05/2016 12:58, bob haller wrote: http://www.aol.com/article/2016/05/3...htmlws-main-bb our country must kill smoking just as its killed so many users Get a life! Do you take prescription drugs? Prescription Drugs Now Kill More People than Illegal Drugs - Mercola articles.mercola.com/.../prescription-drugs-number-one-cause-preventable-death-in-us... 26 Oct 2011 - Death from Prescription Drugs: The New Epidemic Sweeping Across America. ... Death by medicine is a 21st-century epidemic, and America's "war on drugs" is clearly directed at the wrong enemy! ... 37,485 people died from drugs, a rate fueled by overdoses on prescription pain and -- Bod |
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Where should smoking be illegal?
Per Mr Macaw:
Unless he's continuing to smoke the cigarette, I don't see the problem. If you smoke, you would not see the problem. When I smoked, I could not understand why a woman I knew always complained about the smell of her clothes and hair when she came home from work as a barmaid....my olfactory senses had adapted to it and I did not notice it. The problem is that he *stinks*, his breath stinks, his clothes stink, and when he exhales that last lung full of smoke into the elevator *it* stinks.... -- Pete Cresswell |
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Where should smoking be illegal?
On 30/05/2016 15:00, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per : The "chemicals" are in such a minor trace amount that they are not actually harmful. You are simply offended by the smell. The same can be said of farting. But look how social norms have evolved in that respect. Passing gas is simply not acceptable in polite company at any time in any place..... Period... and, AFIK, it has been that way for a looooooong time. My take is that, now that most people don't smoke and can smell the stink, the social norms around smoking are simply catching up those around farting. Give it time and the government will insist on farting rooms for flatulent releases. Anyone found farting outside the designated room will be executed. -- Bod |
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On 5/30/2016 12:14 AM, Diesel wrote:
The last time I ate out in Virginia, smoking was not only allowed, but encouraged. I found a clean, ash tray at every table. :) I don't smoke very often, but, I do enjoy being able to light one up every now and then. It's certainly no worse for me than breathing in the crap spewed forth from the vehicles people insist on driving around here. I'd probably still smoke if I could have the occasional cig with no addiction. I was close to a pack a day when I quit 40 years ago. One or two a month is not a big deal but 20 a day sure is. |
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:49:18 +0100, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per : I know it may just be anecdotal but my father, mother, sister and very soon my brother in law are dead from smoking related disease. I do have some personal experience here. My grandfather did live to be 100 and he didn't smoke, but he was around smokers all his life. Call me a cynic, but I think that what is behind at least 80 percent of the "Second-Hand Smoke" thing is that people just can't deal with the stink.... and it's not cool to complain about the smell, so they revert to more PC issues. But the smell is nice. -- My wife sat down on the couch next to me as I was changing channels. She asked, what's on TV? I said, Dust. And then the fight started... |
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 14:53:54 +0100, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Mr Macaw: Unless he's continuing to smoke the cigarette, I don't see the problem. If you smoke, you would not see the problem. When I smoked, I could not understand why a woman I knew always complained about the smell of her clothes and hair when she came home from work as a barmaid....my olfactory senses had adapted to it and I did not notice it. The problem is that he *stinks*, his breath stinks, his clothes stink, and when he exhales that last lung full of smoke into the elevator *it* stinks.... I'm not a smoker. But I like the smell of it and will take a cigarette if offered one. But I don't see the point in smoking (tobacco) regularly as it has no effect on me whatsoever. -- My wife sat down on the couch next to me as I was changing channels. She asked, what's on TV? I said, Dust. And then the fight started... |
Where should smoking be illegal?
On Mon, 30 May 2016 04:51:14 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote: On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 7:48:53 AM UTC-4, bob haller wrote: well heres another aspect to consider http://www.aol.com/article/2016/05/3...htmlws-main-bb Short term costs may show some decrease but long term costs are higher. Smokers die earlier and are not as much burden on medicare, medicaid and social security. All 3 of them are going broke. |
Where should smoking be illegal?
On Mon, 30 May 2016 10:00:14 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote: Per : The "chemicals" are in such a minor trace amount that they are not actually harmful. You are simply offended by the smell. The same can be said of farting. But look how social norms have evolved in that respect. Passing gas is simply not acceptable in polite company at any time in any place..... Period... and, AFIK, it has been that way for a looooooong time. My take is that, now that most people don't smoke and can smell the stink, the social norms around smoking are simply catching up those around farting. The difference is you can't be arrested for farting. Again I will point out the thread refers to "illegal", not that it is shunned by the community. |
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 10:26:51 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/30/2016 12:14 AM, Diesel wrote: The last time I ate out in Virginia, smoking was not only allowed, but encouraged. I found a clean, ash tray at every table. :) I don't smoke very often, but, I do enjoy being able to light one up every now and then. It's certainly no worse for me than breathing in the crap spewed forth from the vehicles people insist on driving around here. I'd probably still smoke if I could have the occasional cig with no addiction. I was close to a pack a day when I quit 40 years ago. One or two a month is not a big deal but 20 a day sure is. I guess that may be why I am ambivalent about it. I can smoke half a cigar with the guys, put it away and not think of it again. I am around smokers all the time and not feel the urge. As I said in my other note, almost everyone in my family smoked and most of them are dead from it. The notable one who didn't lived to be 100. Lesson learned and the government had nothing to do with it. |
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 15:53:59 +0100, wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:49:18 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per : I know it may just be anecdotal but my father, mother, sister and very soon my brother in law are dead from smoking related disease. I do have some personal experience here. My grandfather did live to be 100 and he didn't smoke, but he was around smokers all his life. Call me a cynic, but I think that what is behind at least 80 percent of the "Second-Hand Smoke" thing is that people just can't deal with the stink.... and it's not cool to complain about the smell, so they revert to more PC issues. The people who are the most fervent are the ex-smokers and I suspect that is because they fear starting up again if they smell the smoke and see others smoking. Everyone I know who falls off the wagon, does it because they are around other smokers and decide to "just have one". It is like recovering alcoholics who want to shut down all the bars and ban drinking. Except neither tobacco or alcohol are addictive. -- The Official MBA Handbook on business cards: Avoid overly pretentious job titles such as "Lord of the Realm, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of India" or "Director of Corporate Planning." |
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On 30/05/2016 15:26, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/30/2016 12:14 AM, Diesel wrote: The last time I ate out in Virginia, smoking was not only allowed, but encouraged. I found a clean, ash tray at every table. :) I don't smoke very often, but, I do enjoy being able to light one up every now and then. It's certainly no worse for me than breathing in the crap spewed forth from the vehicles people insist on driving around here. I'd probably still smoke if I could have the occasional cig with no addiction. I was close to a pack a day when I quit 40 years ago. One or two a month is not a big deal but 20 a day sure is. Understood. -- Bod |
Where should smoking be illegal?
On 5/30/16 10:50 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2016 04:51:14 -0700 (PDT), bob haller wrote: On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 7:48:53 AM UTC-4, bob haller wrote: well heres another aspect to consider http://www.aol.com/article/2016/05/3...htmlws-main-bb Short term costs may show some decrease but long term costs are higher. Smokers die earlier and are not as much burden on medicare, medicaid and social security. All 3 of them are going broke. There was a study about 15 or 20 years ago (that was promptly ignored) actually showing that over all cigarette smoking was probably a savings. They looked at this, plus the costs of the healthcare until they died, lost productivity, something I can't remember how they phrased it that took into account lost taxes and wages from early death, etc. |
Where should smoking be illegal?
On Mon, 30 May 2016 04:14:42 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
[..] they're illegal in various states, eh? Hands free or not. Don't talk on your cell while you're driving. On the face of it, this does make sense. Using a cell phone (or CB radio, or even adjusting the volume on an AM/FM radio) will cause some distraction, hands-free or not. Everyone seems on board regarding texting while driving, or using phones that require manual operation. But what about smoking in a car, or eating a high-dexterity snack? Most jurisdictions have laws against doing *anything* likely to impair driving efficiency, and yet we still see people reading newspapers and applying make-up. -- http://mduffy.x10host.com/index.htm |
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 04:14:42 -0000 (UTC)
Diesel wrote: She lives in a trailer. Nope. |
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On 30/05/2016 16:26, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2016 04:14:42 -0000 (UTC) Diesel wrote: She lives in a trailer. Nope. And where she lives has nothing to do with this conversation. -- Bod |
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On 5/30/2016 2:43 AM, Bod wrote:
Ok, this lady is an example of what I am talking about: This 122 Year Old Woman Has The Most Important Secret To A Life Of ... http://www.collective-evolution.com/...st-important-s... The oldest documented person that ever lived was a French woman named Jeanne Calment who made it to 122 years, 164 days on this earth. What was her secret? According to French researcher Jean-Marie Robine, “She never did anything special to stay in good health.” Jeanne Calment smoked cigarettes (started at age 21), drank port wine and ate a couple of pounds of chocolate sweets a week until she was 119 years old. Some will ask, if she did not smoke would she have lived to 135? Or 75? |
Where should smoking be illegal?
On 5/30/2016 12:27 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 23:51:29 -0500, Muggles wrote: On 5/29/2016 9:58 PM, wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2016 14:53:10 -0500, Muggles wrote: On 5/29/2016 12:59 PM, wrote: Again you are confusing "offence" with "health" How's that? The stench of secondhand smoke contains all the bad chemicals that the smoke itself contains. It's still about health. The "chemicals" are in such a minor trace amount that they are not actually harmful. You are simply offended by the smell. You're wrong about the chemicals, AND about me simply being offended by the smell. http://www.no-smoke.org/learnmore.php?id=671 Give me a real science study, not a hit piece from a group who says "no smoke" in their name. I can find a "study" from some fundamentalist organization that says people are "harmed" by damned near anything. Did you try the links referenced in the article? I'm guessing you didn't even read the article or try the links to the studies it referenced. http://www.no-smoke.org/learnmore.php?id=671 http://eetd.lbl.gov/node/49332 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...m&ordinalpos=1 http://www.pnas.org/content/107/15/6576.full.pdf http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/conten... c=relevance&r http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...+local +token -- Maggie |
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On 5/30/2016 1:23 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/05/2016 20:50, Muggles wrote: On 5/29/2016 12:55 PM, wrote: OK fine but why can't I have a smoking restaurant that you do not need to go into? Right now there are places like that. I don't know for how long they'll exist, though. I have heard tea totallers say the smell of alcohol offends them too (even to the point of sickness) but we just tell them to stay out of bars. That's the whole point. If you don't like something, then avoid it, simple, everyone's happy. Do you think it's right to discriminate against non-smokers? -- Maggie |
Where should smoking be illegal?
On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:00:51 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2016 15:53:59 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:49:18 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per : I know it may just be anecdotal but my father, mother, sister and very soon my brother in law are dead from smoking related disease. I do have some personal experience here. My grandfather did live to be 100 and he didn't smoke, but he was around smokers all his life. Call me a cynic, but I think that what is behind at least 80 percent of the "Second-Hand Smoke" thing is that people just can't deal with the stink.... and it's not cool to complain about the smell, so they revert to more PC issues. The people who are the most fervent are the ex-smokers and I suspect that is because they fear starting up again if they smell the smoke and see others smoking. Everyone I know who falls off the wagon, does it because they are around other smokers and decide to "just have one". It is like recovering alcoholics who want to shut down all the bars and ban drinking. Except neither tobacco or alcohol are addictive. Maybe in UK but everything people do here seems to be some kind of "addiction". ;-) |
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On 5/30/2016 9:00 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per : The "chemicals" are in such a minor trace amount that they are not actually harmful. You are simply offended by the smell. The same can be said of farting. But look how social norms have evolved in that respect. Passing gas is simply not acceptable in polite company at any time in any place..... Period... and, AFIK, it has been that way for a looooooong time. My take is that, now that most people don't smoke and can smell the stink, the social norms around smoking are simply catching up those around farting. I think some people complain about the stink of cigarette smoke because it smells bad, and others complain about the stink because it makes then nauseous, and others complain about the stink because they get physically ill. -- Maggie |
Where should smoking be illegal?
On Mon, 30 May 2016 11:19:14 -0400, "Kurt V. Ullman"
wrote: On 5/30/16 10:50 AM, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 04:51:14 -0700 (PDT), bob haller wrote: On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 7:48:53 AM UTC-4, bob haller wrote: well heres another aspect to consider http://www.aol.com/article/2016/05/3...htmlws-main-bb Short term costs may show some decrease but long term costs are higher. Smokers die earlier and are not as much burden on medicare, medicaid and social security. All 3 of them are going broke. There was a study about 15 or 20 years ago (that was promptly ignored) actually showing that over all cigarette smoking was probably a savings. They looked at this, plus the costs of the healthcare until they died, lost productivity, something I can't remember how they phrased it that took into account lost taxes and wages from early death, etc. Considering that smoking is over represented in the community that pays no taxes, I think this may be a slam dunk. |
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:27:58 +0100, wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:00:51 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 15:53:59 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:49:18 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per : I know it may just be anecdotal but my father, mother, sister and very soon my brother in law are dead from smoking related disease. I do have some personal experience here. My grandfather did live to be 100 and he didn't smoke, but he was around smokers all his life. Call me a cynic, but I think that what is behind at least 80 percent of the "Second-Hand Smoke" thing is that people just can't deal with the stink.... and it's not cool to complain about the smell, so they revert to more PC issues. The people who are the most fervent are the ex-smokers and I suspect that is because they fear starting up again if they smell the smoke and see others smoking. Everyone I know who falls off the wagon, does it because they are around other smokers and decide to "just have one". It is like recovering alcoholics who want to shut down all the bars and ban drinking. Except neither tobacco or alcohol are addictive. Maybe in UK but everything people do here seems to be some kind of "addiction". ;-) People call things addictions when they enjoy them and want to do them again. That's not an addiction. Addictive things actually **** about with your brain's chemistry so you need them and if you don't get them you get withdrawal symptoms. -- If one of the questions in a GCSE exam was "express 4.8% as a fraction", most would write "low battery". |
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On 30/05/2016 17:43, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:27:58 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:00:51 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 15:53:59 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:49:18 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per : I know it may just be anecdotal but my father, mother, sister and very soon my brother in law are dead from smoking related disease. I do have some personal experience here. My grandfather did live to be 100 and he didn't smoke, but he was around smokers all his life. Call me a cynic, but I think that what is behind at least 80 percent of the "Second-Hand Smoke" thing is that people just can't deal with the stink.... and it's not cool to complain about the smell, so they revert to more PC issues. The people who are the most fervent are the ex-smokers and I suspect that is because they fear starting up again if they smell the smoke and see others smoking. Everyone I know who falls off the wagon, does it because they are around other smokers and decide to "just have one". It is like recovering alcoholics who want to shut down all the bars and ban drinking. Except neither tobacco or alcohol are addictive. Maybe in UK but everything people do here seems to be some kind of "addiction". ;-) People call things addictions when they enjoy them and want to do them again. That's not an addiction. Addictive things actually **** about with your brain's chemistry so you need them and if you don't get them you get withdrawal symptoms. You're talking bull**** about cigarettes and alcohol *not* being addictive. I get withdrawal symptoms from a lack of a cigarette. I gave up once for 3 weeks and it changed my character from being laid back to an angry animal. So much so that my missus told me to start again. -- Bod |
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Per Mr Macaw:
Except neither tobacco or .... are addictive. Better review your information sources vis-a-vis tobacco. It's an open-and-shut slam-dunk. If you can cite any credible source anywhere that says tobacco is not addictive, I might be interested to look at it. -- Pete Cresswell |
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Per Mike Duffy:
...yet we still see people reading newspapers and applying make-up. That's no joke about reading newspapers. When was van pooling for a couple of years, I got a chance to study the surrounding traffic and regularly saw people reading newspapers while driving. And I don't mean furtive glances.... I mean they were *reading* that sucker. I have no clue how somebody does that.... but have to conclude that some people are vastly better at doing two things at the same time than I ever will be. -- Pete Cresswell |
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:51:54 +0100, Bod wrote:
On 30/05/2016 17:43, Mr Macaw wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:27:58 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:00:51 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 15:53:59 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:49:18 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per : I know it may just be anecdotal but my father, mother, sister and very soon my brother in law are dead from smoking related disease. I do have some personal experience here. My grandfather did live to be 100 and he didn't smoke, but he was around smokers all his life. Call me a cynic, but I think that what is behind at least 80 percent of the "Second-Hand Smoke" thing is that people just can't deal with the stink.... and it's not cool to complain about the smell, so they revert to more PC issues. The people who are the most fervent are the ex-smokers and I suspect that is because they fear starting up again if they smell the smoke and see others smoking. Everyone I know who falls off the wagon, does it because they are around other smokers and decide to "just have one". It is like recovering alcoholics who want to shut down all the bars and ban drinking. Except neither tobacco or alcohol are addictive. Maybe in UK but everything people do here seems to be some kind of "addiction". ;-) People call things addictions when they enjoy them and want to do them again. That's not an addiction. Addictive things actually **** about with your brain's chemistry so you need them and if you don't get them you get withdrawal symptoms. You're talking bull**** about cigarettes and alcohol *not* being addictive. I get withdrawal symptoms from a lack of a cigarette. I gave up once for 3 weeks and it changed my character from being laid back to an angry animal. So much so that my missus told me to start again. Must be just me then. I've never felt any compulsion that I must have something I stopped having. -- Keyboard error - press any key to continue... |
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:55:07 +0100, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Mr Macaw: Except neither tobacco or .... are addictive. Better review your information sources vis-a-vis tobacco. It's an open-and-shut slam-dunk. If you can cite any credible source anywhere that says tobacco is not addictive, I might be interested to look at it. Personal experience. -- If debugging is the process of removing software bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in. |
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:01:34 +0100, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:55:07 +0100, (PeteCresswell) wrote: Per Mr Macaw: Except neither tobacco or .... are addictive. Better review your information sources vis-a-vis tobacco. It's an open-and-shut slam-dunk. If you can cite any credible source anywhere that says tobacco is not addictive, I might be interested to look at it. Personal experience. And that of a colleague who smoked 30 a day, then stopped suddenly because he had a boy, and his wife said they needed to save money. I noticed no change in his character. -- If debugging is the process of removing software bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in. |
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:55:07 +0100, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Mr Macaw: Except neither tobacco or .... are addictive. Better review your information sources vis-a-vis tobacco. It's an open-and-shut slam-dunk. If you can cite any credible source anywhere that says tobacco is not addictive, I might be interested to look at it. Getting a bit grumpy because you're missing something you enjoy is not the same as almost dying due to a chemical imbalance. I suggest you look up addictions to some of the more powerful drugs people inject, then get things into perspective. -- If debugging is the process of removing software bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in. |
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On 30/05/2016 18:01, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:51:54 +0100, Bod wrote: On 30/05/2016 17:43, Mr Macaw wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:27:58 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:00:51 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 15:53:59 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:49:18 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per : I know it may just be anecdotal but my father, mother, sister and very soon my brother in law are dead from smoking related disease. I do have some personal experience here. My grandfather did live to be 100 and he didn't smoke, but he was around smokers all his life. Call me a cynic, but I think that what is behind at least 80 percent of the "Second-Hand Smoke" thing is that people just can't deal with the stink.... and it's not cool to complain about the smell, so they revert to more PC issues. The people who are the most fervent are the ex-smokers and I suspect that is because they fear starting up again if they smell the smoke and see others smoking. Everyone I know who falls off the wagon, does it because they are around other smokers and decide to "just have one". It is like recovering alcoholics who want to shut down all the bars and ban drinking. Except neither tobacco or alcohol are addictive. Maybe in UK but everything people do here seems to be some kind of "addiction". ;-) People call things addictions when they enjoy them and want to do them again. That's not an addiction. Addictive things actually **** about with your brain's chemistry so you need them and if you don't get them you get withdrawal symptoms. You're talking bull**** about cigarettes and alcohol *not* being addictive. I get withdrawal symptoms from a lack of a cigarette. I gave up once for 3 weeks and it changed my character from being laid back to an angry animal. So much so that my missus told me to start again. Must be just me then. I've never felt any compulsion that I must have something I stopped having. Masturbation? -- Bod |
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:08:01 +0100, Bod wrote:
On 30/05/2016 18:01, Mr Macaw wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:51:54 +0100, Bod wrote: On 30/05/2016 17:43, Mr Macaw wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:27:58 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:00:51 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 15:53:59 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:49:18 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per : I know it may just be anecdotal but my father, mother, sister and very soon my brother in law are dead from smoking related disease. I do have some personal experience here. My grandfather did live to be 100 and he didn't smoke, but he was around smokers all his life. Call me a cynic, but I think that what is behind at least 80 percent of the "Second-Hand Smoke" thing is that people just can't deal with the stink.... and it's not cool to complain about the smell, so they revert to more PC issues. The people who are the most fervent are the ex-smokers and I suspect that is because they fear starting up again if they smell the smoke and see others smoking. Everyone I know who falls off the wagon, does it because they are around other smokers and decide to "just have one". It is like recovering alcoholics who want to shut down all the bars and ban drinking. Except neither tobacco or alcohol are addictive. Maybe in UK but everything people do here seems to be some kind of "addiction". ;-) People call things addictions when they enjoy them and want to do them again. That's not an addiction. Addictive things actually **** about with your brain's chemistry so you need them and if you don't get them you get withdrawal symptoms. You're talking bull**** about cigarettes and alcohol *not* being addictive. I get withdrawal symptoms from a lack of a cigarette. I gave up once for 3 weeks and it changed my character from being laid back to an angry animal. So much so that my missus told me to start again. Must be just me then. I've never felt any compulsion that I must have something I stopped having. Masturbation? Why was that the first thing that came to your head? -- You keep believing, I'll keep evolving |
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On 30/05/2016 18:12, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:08:01 +0100, Bod wrote: On 30/05/2016 18:01, Mr Macaw wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:51:54 +0100, Bod wrote: On 30/05/2016 17:43, Mr Macaw wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:27:58 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:00:51 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 15:53:59 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:49:18 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per : I know it may just be anecdotal but my father, mother, sister and very soon my brother in law are dead from smoking related disease. I do have some personal experience here. My grandfather did live to be 100 and he didn't smoke, but he was around smokers all his life. Call me a cynic, but I think that what is behind at least 80 percent of the "Second-Hand Smoke" thing is that people just can't deal with the stink.... and it's not cool to complain about the smell, so they revert to more PC issues. The people who are the most fervent are the ex-smokers and I suspect that is because they fear starting up again if they smell the smoke and see others smoking. Everyone I know who falls off the wagon, does it because they are around other smokers and decide to "just have one". It is like recovering alcoholics who want to shut down all the bars and ban drinking. Except neither tobacco or alcohol are addictive. Maybe in UK but everything people do here seems to be some kind of "addiction". ;-) People call things addictions when they enjoy them and want to do them again. That's not an addiction. Addictive things actually **** about with your brain's chemistry so you need them and if you don't get them you get withdrawal symptoms. You're talking bull**** about cigarettes and alcohol *not* being addictive. I get withdrawal symptoms from a lack of a cigarette. I gave up once for 3 weeks and it changed my character from being laid back to an angry animal. So much so that my missus told me to start again. Must be just me then. I've never felt any compulsion that I must have something I stopped having. Masturbation? Why was that the first thing that came to your head? You never came into my head!! -- Bod |
Where should smoking be illegal?
On Mon, 30 May 2016 11:25:09 -0500, Muggles
wrote: On 5/30/2016 12:27 AM, wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2016 23:51:29 -0500, Muggles wrote: On 5/29/2016 9:58 PM, wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2016 14:53:10 -0500, Muggles wrote: On 5/29/2016 12:59 PM, wrote: Again you are confusing "offence" with "health" How's that? The stench of secondhand smoke contains all the bad chemicals that the smoke itself contains. It's still about health. The "chemicals" are in such a minor trace amount that they are not actually harmful. You are simply offended by the smell. You're wrong about the chemicals, AND about me simply being offended by the smell. http://www.no-smoke.org/learnmore.php?id=671 Give me a real science study, not a hit piece from a group who says "no smoke" in their name. I can find a "study" from some fundamentalist organization that says people are "harmed" by damned near anything. Did you try the links referenced in the article? I'm guessing you didn't even read the article or try the links to the studies it referenced. Any link that starts out "no-smoke" is going to be a biased hit piece and any "science" that does not talk about dosage and the TLV is hyperbole. I was the OSHA hazmat compliance officer among other duties and I am very familiar with protocols around chemicals. I imagine you are getting more harmful fumes from your nail polish remover than any amount of second hand smoke you encounter. Read the MSDS on that solvent sometime if you want to be scared. Simply painting a toxic chemical on your nails is bad enough and god only knows what is in the other cosmetics. |
Where should smoking be illegal?
On Mon, 30 May 2016 11:26:30 -0500, Muggles
wrote: On 5/30/2016 1:23 AM, Bod wrote: On 29/05/2016 20:50, Muggles wrote: On 5/29/2016 12:55 PM, wrote: OK fine but why can't I have a smoking restaurant that you do not need to go into? Right now there are places like that. I don't know for how long they'll exist, though. I have heard tea totallers say the smell of alcohol offends them too (even to the point of sickness) but we just tell them to stay out of bars. That's the whole point. If you don't like something, then avoid it, simple, everyone's happy. Do you think it's right to discriminate against non-smokers? We are not discriminating, they are welcome to come in if they want but they should be aware of the hazard. It is like sitting at the seats just above the glass at a hockey game. You see the game better but you might get a puck in your teeth |
Where should smoking be illegal?
On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:01:34 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:55:07 +0100, (PeteCresswell) wrote: Per Mr Macaw: Except neither tobacco or .... are addictive. Better review your information sources vis-a-vis tobacco. It's an open-and-shut slam-dunk. If you can cite any credible source anywhere that says tobacco is not addictive, I might be interested to look at it. Personal experience. Addiction and the susceptibility to it is really different from person to person. Some of us are fairly immune, others are very susceptible and those folks can find themselves addicted to any number of things. It might just be the lack of the "will power" gene. |
Where should smoking be illegal?
On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:14:05 +0100, Bod wrote:
On 30/05/2016 18:12, Mr Macaw wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 18:08:01 +0100, Bod wrote: On 30/05/2016 18:01, Mr Macaw wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:51:54 +0100, Bod wrote: On 30/05/2016 17:43, Mr Macaw wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:27:58 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 16:00:51 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 15:53:59 +0100, wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2016 09:49:18 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per : I know it may just be anecdotal but my father, mother, sister and very soon my brother in law are dead from smoking related disease. I do have some personal experience here. My grandfather did live to be 100 and he didn't smoke, but he was around smokers all his life. Call me a cynic, but I think that what is behind at least 80 percent of the "Second-Hand Smoke" thing is that people just can't deal with the stink.... and it's not cool to complain about the smell, so they revert to more PC issues. The people who are the most fervent are the ex-smokers and I suspect that is because they fear starting up again if they smell the smoke and see others smoking. Everyone I know who falls off the wagon, does it because they are around other smokers and decide to "just have one". It is like recovering alcoholics who want to shut down all the bars and ban drinking. Except neither tobacco or alcohol are addictive. Maybe in UK but everything people do here seems to be some kind of "addiction". ;-) People call things addictions when they enjoy them and want to do them again. That's not an addiction. Addictive things actually **** about with your brain's chemistry so you need them and if you don't get them you get withdrawal symptoms. You're talking bull**** about cigarettes and alcohol *not* being addictive. I get withdrawal symptoms from a lack of a cigarette. I gave up once for 3 weeks and it changed my character from being laid back to an angry animal. So much so that my missus told me to start again. Must be just me then. I've never felt any compulsion that I must have something I stopped having. Masturbation? Why was that the first thing that came to your head? You never came into my head!! You didn't suck hard enough. -- The evening news is where they begin with "Good evening", and then proceed to tell you why it isn't. |
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