VW forges U.S. deal arising from diesel emissions scandal
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKCN0XI24G

Volkswagen AG announced a U.S. deal on Thursday to buy back or
fix about a half million polluting diesel cars.

The judge set the June 21 deadline for VW to post the
for the start of a public comment period.

On 4/21/2016 6:33 PM, Joe Clock wrote:
VW forges U.S. deal arising from diesel emissions scandal
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKCN0XI24G

Volkswagen AG announced a U.S. deal on Thursday to buy back or
fix about a half million polluting diesel cars.

The judge set the June 21 deadline for VW to post the
for the start of a public comment period.


My perception of emissions controls on a vehicle
is some what like wrapping a long distance runner's
head in ten layers of burlap. Performance may
suffer.

..
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learn more about Jesus
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On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 6:33:57 PM UTC-4, Joe Clock wrote:
VW forges U.S. deal arising from diesel emissions scandal
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKCN0XI24G

Volkswagen AG announced a U.S. deal on Thursday to buy back or
fix about a half million polluting diesel cars.

The judge set the June 21 deadline for VW to post the
for the start of a public comment period.


VW should be forced to buy back and crush every vehicle they cheated the owners on. refund the purchase price in full.

once VW is made a example of no carmakerwill ever ty it again

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 8:50:44 PM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 6:33:57 PM UTC-4, Joe Clock wrote:
VW forges U.S. deal arising from diesel emissions scandal
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKCN0XI24G

Volkswagen AG announced a U.S. deal on Thursday to buy back or
fix about a half million polluting diesel cars.

The judge set the June 21 deadline for VW to post the
for the start of a public comment period.

VW should be forced to buy back and crush every vehicle they cheated the owners on. refund the purchase price in full.

once VW is made a example of no carmakerwill ever ty it again

It really depends on which politician or political party is bribed. Money votes. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Polluting Monster

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 20:50:36 -0500, bob haller wrote:

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 6:33:57 PM UTC-4, Joe Clock wrote:
VW forges U.S. deal arising from diesel emissions scandal
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKCN0XI24G

Volkswagen AG announced a U.S. deal on Thursday to buy back or
fix about a half million polluting diesel cars.

The judge set the June 21 deadline for VW to post the
for the start of a public comment period.


VW should be forced to buy back and crush every vehicle they cheated the
owners on. refund the purchase price in full.

once VW is made a example of no carmakerwill ever ty it again

Mitsubishi faked fuel mileage tests. From Bloomberg:
http://preview.alturl.com/gro6d or
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-20/mitsubishi-motors-plunges-after-improper-handling-of-fuel-tests


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On 4/21/2016 6:50 PM, bob haller wrote:
On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 6:33:57 PM UTC-4, Joe Clock wrote:
VW forges U.S. deal arising from diesel emissions scandal
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKCN0XI24G

Volkswagen AG announced a U.S. deal on Thursday to buy back or fix about a
half million polluting diesel cars.

The judge set the June 21 deadline for VW to post the for the start of a
public comment period.

VW should be forced to buy back and crush every vehicle they cheated the
owners on. refund the purchase price in full.

once VW is made a example of no carmakerwill ever ty it again

Their latest add campaign touts the SAFETY of their vehicles.
I can just see what the original copy might have looked like:
"Sure, we cheated on our mileage/emissions testing. But,
we'd NEVER cheat on our safety/crash tests!"

(Time to bring back the Joe Isuzu commercials: "You have my word on it!")

On 04/21/2016 07:50 PM, bob haller wrote:
VW should be forced to buy back and crush every vehicle they cheated the owners on. refund the purchase price in full.

once VW is made a example of no carmakerwill ever ty it again

As I understand it the actual owners get good mileage and a diesel that
performs better than a Freightliner for a change. The only people that
got cheated were the tight-assed EPA bureaucrats.

rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 07:50 PM, bob haller wrote:
VW should be forced to buy back and crush every vehicle they cheated
the owners on. refund the purchase price in full. once VW is made a example
of no carmakerwill ever ty it again

As I understand it the actual owners get good mileage and a diesel
that performs better than a Freightliner for a change. The only
people that got cheated were the tight-assed EPA bureaucrats.

Right! No problem that they pollute 40 times the standards. Only people have to
breath that crud. Who cares about them? Screw them and the EPA bureaucrats.

On 04/21/2016 05:29 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/21/2016 6:33 PM, Joe Clock wrote:
VW forges U.S. deal arising from diesel emissions scandal
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKCN0XI24G

Volkswagen AG announced a U.S. deal on Thursday to buy back or
fix about a half million polluting diesel cars.

The judge set the June 21 deadline for VW to post the
for the start of a public comment period.


My perception of emissions controls on a vehicle
is some what like wrapping a long distance runner's
head in ten layers of burlap. Performance may
suffer.

It's just ever so profitable for a whole industry and a lot of
government officials, though.

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not only to retract it, but also to deny under oath that I
ever said it." -- T. Lehrer

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 10:24:50 PM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 07:50 PM, bob haller wrote:
VW should be forced to buy back and crush every vehicle they cheated
the owners on. refund the purchase price in full. once VW is made a example
of no carmakerwill ever ty it again

As I understand it the actual owners get good mileage and a diesel
that performs better than a Freightliner for a change. The only
people that got cheated were the tight-assed EPA bureaucrats.

Right! No problem that they pollute 40 times the standards. Only people have to
breath that crud. Who cares about them? Screw them and the EPA bureaucrats.

Can you list the people who've been harmed by the VW diesel cars? I'd like to contact them and offer my sympathies. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Sympathetic Monster

On 04/21/2016 09:24 PM, Bob F wrote:
Right! No problem that they pollute 40 times the standards. Only people have to
breath that crud. Who cares about them? Screw them and the EPA bureaucrats.



I live in an area that ranks number 10 for short-term particle
pollution. A TDI diesel is a drop in the bucket. Oh, and that pollution?
The forest fires that occur every August. Find a way to stop that and
I'll worry about diesel emissions.

You're right. Screw them.

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 10:47:56 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 09:24 PM, Bob F wrote:
Right! No problem that they pollute 40 times the standards. Only people have to
breath that crud. Who cares about them? Screw them and the EPA bureaucrats.

I live in an area that ranks number 10 for short-term particle
pollution. A TDI diesel is a drop in the bucket. Oh, and that pollution?
The forest fires that occur every August. Find a way to stop that and
I'll worry about diesel emissions.

You're right. Screw them.

We Earthlings also need some big corks for the volcanos to stop that huge source of pollution. ^_*

[8~{} Uncle Volcanic Monster

On 04/21/2016 10:18 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
We Earthlings also need some big corks for the volcanos to stop that huge source of pollution. ^_*

to say nothing of the bovine asshole sized corks.

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 11:56:08 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 10:18 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
We Earthlings also need some big corks for the volcanos to stop that huge source of pollution. ^_*

to say nothing of the bovine asshole sized corks.

I recall something I read about termites emitting more methane than cattle so we're going to need a gazillion microscopic corks. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Cork Monster

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 18:50:36 -0700 (PDT), bob haller wrote:

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 6:33:57 PM UTC-4, Joe Clock wrote:
VW forges U.S. deal arising from diesel emissions scandal
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-vo...-idUSKCN0XI24G

Volkswagen AG announced a U.S. deal on Thursday to buy back or
fix about a half million polluting diesel cars.

The judge set the June 21 deadline for VW to post the
for the start of a public comment period.


VW should be forced to buy back and crush every vehicle they cheated the owners on. refund the purchase price in full.

once VW is made a example of no carmakerwill ever ty it again

I have a better idea. How about if any politician tells a lie we cut out their tongue?

It only took our anointed one about five years to figure out that VW was playing his game.

On 4/22/2016 2:22 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 11:56:08 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 10:18 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
We Earthlings also need some big corks for the volcanos to stop that huge source of pollution. ^_*

to say nothing of the bovine asshole sized corks.

I recall something I read about termites emitting more methane than cattle so we're going to need a gazillion microscopic corks. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Cork Monster


Most greenhouse gases are emitted naturally and carbon dioxide is not
the worst but it was easiest to trace to mans activities. Progressives
will seize onto anything to increase the size and influence of government.

On 4/21/2016 11:24 PM, Bob F wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 07:50 PM, bob haller wrote:
VW should be forced to buy back and crush every vehicle they cheated
the owners on. refund the purchase price in full. once VW is made a example
of no carmakerwill ever ty it again

As I understand it the actual owners get good mileage and a diesel
that performs better than a Freightliner for a change. The only
people that got cheated were the tight-assed EPA bureaucrats.

Right! No problem that they pollute 40 times the standards. Only people have to
breath that crud. Who cares about them? Screw them and the EPA bureaucrats.


Diesels pollute less because of better fuel efficiency. I'd only want a
refund if the car would not pass the states test inspection standard.

Frank" "frank wrote:
On 4/22/2016 2:22 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 11:56:08 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 10:18 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
We Earthlings also need some big corks for the volcanos to stop
that huge source of pollution. ^_*

to say nothing of the bovine asshole sized corks.

I recall something I read about termites emitting more methane than
cattle so we're going to need a gazillion microscopic corks. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle
Cork Monster


Most greenhouse gases are emitted naturally and carbon dioxide is not
the worst but it was easiest to trace to mans activities. Progressives will
seize onto anything to increase the size and
influence of government.

The EPA standards for diesels have NOTHING to do with CO2 or greenhouse gases,
and their unhealthy pollutants are heavily distributed in highly populated
areas.

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...l#.Vxp2iE_G7Fk

Frank" "frank wrote:
On 4/21/2016 11:24 PM, Bob F wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 07:50 PM, bob haller wrote:
VW should be forced to buy back and crush every vehicle they
cheated the owners on. refund the purchase price in full. once VW is made
a example of no carmakerwill ever ty it again

As I understand it the actual owners get good mileage and a diesel
that performs better than a Freightliner for a change. The only
people that got cheated were the tight-assed EPA bureaucrats.

Right! No problem that they pollute 40 times the standards. Only
people have to breath that crud. Who cares about them? Screw them
and the EPA bureaucrats.
Diesels pollute less because of better fuel efficiency. I'd only
want a refund if the car would not pass the states test inspection
standard.

So you would have no problem when after being fixed, your diesel uses twice as
much fuel per mile?

Diesel pollutants include seriously unhealthy small particulates, nitrous oxides
.......

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...l#.Vxp2iE_G7Fk

On 4/22/2016 3:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
Frank" "frank wrote:
On 4/22/2016 2:22 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 11:56:08 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 10:18 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
We Earthlings also need some big corks for the volcanos to stop
that huge source of pollution. ^_*

to say nothing of the bovine asshole sized corks.

I recall something I read about termites emitting more methane than
cattle so we're going to need a gazillion microscopic corks. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle
Cork Monster


Most greenhouse gases are emitted naturally and carbon dioxide is not
the worst but it was easiest to trace to mans activities. Progressives will
seize onto anything to increase the size and
influence of government.

The EPA standards for diesels have NOTHING to do with CO2 or greenhouse gases,
and their unhealthy pollutants are heavily distributed in highly populated
areas.

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...l#.Vxp2iE_G7Fk


Your right, there are other pollutants that we want to keep down and I
certainly do not object about clean air.

I think they should do away with current annual or bi-annual checks and
just put detectors out on the roads like speed traps just to get off the
big polluters. One malfunctioning car, truck or bus may be spewing our
more crap than 100 surrounding vehicles. We've all smelled them on the
road.

There are the proggies that object to all gasses from vehicles, not just
CO2 but even water vapor.

On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 11:57:15 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 4/22/2016 2:22 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 11:56:08 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 10:18 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
We Earthlings also need some big corks for the volcanos to stop that huge source of pollution. ^_*

to say nothing of the bovine asshole sized corks.

I recall something I read about termites emitting more methane than cattle so we're going to need a gazillion microscopic corks. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Cork Monster

Most greenhouse gases are emitted naturally and carbon dioxide is not
the worst but it was easiest to trace to mans activities. Progressives
will seize onto anything to increase the size and influence of government..

What gets me is the arrogance of these morons who actually believe the "Normal" activities of humans will change anything but their local environment. Of course if we start a nuclear war, all those H-bombs going off will have a global effect just as setting fire to half a continent or to major oil fields will spew pollution into the Earth's atmosphere that can be detected on the other side of the largest ocean. A single volcanic eruption can shut down air travel across a continent. As far as I know, no "Normal" human activity can do the same. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Polluted Monster

On 4/22/2016 3:13 PM, Bob F wrote:
Frank" "frank wrote:
On 4/21/2016 11:24 PM, Bob F wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 07:50 PM, bob haller wrote:
VW should be forced to buy back and crush every vehicle they
cheated the owners on. refund the purchase price in full. once VW is made
a example of no carmakerwill ever ty it again

As I understand it the actual owners get good mileage and a diesel
that performs better than a Freightliner for a change. The only
people that got cheated were the tight-assed EPA bureaucrats.

Right! No problem that they pollute 40 times the standards. Only
people have to breath that crud. Who cares about them? Screw them
and the EPA bureaucrats.
Diesels pollute less because of better fuel efficiency. I'd only
want a refund if the car would not pass the states test inspection
standard.

So you would have no problem when after being fixed, your diesel uses twice as
much fuel per mile?

Diesel pollutants include seriously unhealthy small particulates, nitrous oxides
......

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...l#.Vxp2iE_G7Fk


That you have backwards. At city miles diesel cars can get twice the
mileage than their gasoline counterpart. I think half the cars in
Europe are diesel because it must be priced the same as gas and the cars
get twice the mileage. Not in US because diesel price is not fixed by
the government.

The group you cite sound like a few guys with degrees and a fax machine.

Frank" "frank wrote:
On 4/22/2016 3:10 PM, Bob F wrote:
Frank" "frank wrote:
On 4/22/2016 2:22 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 11:56:08 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 10:18 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
We Earthlings also need some big corks for the volcanos to stop
that huge source of pollution. ^_*

to say nothing of the bovine asshole sized corks.

I recall something I read about termites emitting more methane than
cattle so we're going to need a gazillion microscopic corks. ^_^
[8~{} Uncle Cork Monster


Most greenhouse gases are emitted naturally and carbon dioxide is
not the worst but it was easiest to trace to mans activities.
Progressives will seize onto anything to increase the size and
influence of government.

The EPA standards for diesels have NOTHING to do with CO2 or
greenhouse gases, and their unhealthy pollutants are heavily
distributed in highly populated areas.

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...l#.Vxp2iE_G7Fk


Your right, there are other pollutants that we want to keep down and I
certainly do not object about clean air.

I think they should do away with current annual or bi-annual checks
and just put detectors out on the roads like speed traps just to get
off the big polluters. One malfunctioning car, truck or bus may be
spewing our more crap than 100 surrounding vehicles. We've all
smelled them on the road.

There are the proggies that object to all gasses from vehicles, not
just CO2 but even water vapor.

All the faulty VW's are producing many times the limits. THAT is a real problem!

Frank" "frank wrote:
On 4/22/2016 3:13 PM, Bob F wrote:
Frank" "frank wrote:
On 4/21/2016 11:24 PM, Bob F wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 07:50 PM, bob haller wrote:
VW should be forced to buy back and crush every vehicle they
cheated the owners on. refund the purchase price in full. once
VW is made a example of no carmakerwill ever ty it again

As I understand it the actual owners get good mileage and a diesel
that performs better than a Freightliner for a change. The only
people that got cheated were the tight-assed EPA bureaucrats.

Right! No problem that they pollute 40 times the standards. Only
people have to breath that crud. Who cares about them? Screw them
and the EPA bureaucrats.
Diesels pollute less because of better fuel efficiency. I'd only
want a refund if the car would not pass the states test inspection
standard.

So you would have no problem when after being fixed, your diesel
uses twice as much fuel per mile?

Diesel pollutants include seriously unhealthy small particulates,
nitrous oxides ......

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...l#.Vxp2iE_G7Fk


That you have backwards. At city miles diesel cars can get twice the
mileage than their gasoline counterpart. I think half the cars in
Europe are diesel because it must be priced the same as gas and the
cars get twice the mileage. Not in US because diesel price is not
fixed by the government.

The group you cite sound like a few guys with degrees and a fax
machine.

Thay've been around and pushing for change since 1969.

http://www.ucsusa.org/about/history-...l#.VxrGtE_G7Fk

Frank" "frank wrote:
On 4/22/2016 3:13 PM, Bob F wrote:
Frank" "frank wrote:
On 4/21/2016 11:24 PM, Bob F wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 04/21/2016 07:50 PM, bob haller wrote:
VW should be forced to buy back and crush every vehicle they
cheated the owners on. refund the purchase price in full. once
VW is made a example of no carmakerwill ever ty it again

As I understand it the actual owners get good mileage and a diesel
that performs better than a Freightliner for a change. The only
people that got cheated were the tight-assed EPA bureaucrats.

Right! No problem that they pollute 40 times the standards. Only
people have to breath that crud. Who cares about them? Screw them
and the EPA bureaucrats.
Diesels pollute less because of better fuel efficiency. I'd only
want a refund if the car would not pass the states test inspection
standard.

So you would have no problem when after being fixed, your diesel
uses twice as much fuel per mile?

Diesel pollutants include seriously unhealthy small particulates,
nitrous oxides ......

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...l#.Vxp2iE_G7Fk


That you have backwards. At city miles diesel cars can get twice the
mileage than their gasoline counterpart. I think half the cars in
Europe are diesel because it must be priced the same as gas and the
cars get twice the mileage. Not in US because diesel price is not
fixed by the government.

The group you cite sound like a few guys with degrees and a fax
machine.

Yes, the illegal VW's get better milage. And produced huge amounts of illegal
pollutants which are known hazards.

from https://www.osha.gov/dts/hazardalert...ard_alert.html
What are the health effects of DE/DPM?
a.. Short term exposure to high concentrations of DE/DPM can cause headache,
dizziness, and irritation of the eye, nose and throat severe enough to distract
or disable miners and other workers.
b.. Prolonged DE/DPM exposure can increase the risk of cardiovascular,
cardiopulmonary and respiratory disease and lung cancer.
In June, 2012, the International Agency for Cancer Research (IARC) classified DE
(including DPM) as a known human carcinogen (Group 1).

On 2016-04-22, Bob F wrote:
Right! No problem that they pollute 40 times the standards. Only people have to
breath that crud. Who cares about them? Screw them and the EPA bureaucrats.

That would be "up to" 40 times. As soon as you see the words "up to" the
figure following is meaningless. Nowhere have I seen how much they actually
put out under real-world driving conditions or, given the tiny amounts
involved, whether it's going to make a material difference in air quality.

How much pollution will be emitted from the manufacturing of replacement
vehicles? For an accurate picture be sure to start from the mining of
the raw materials and include the energy used.

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On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 17:48:31 -0700, "Bob F" wrote:

Your right, there are other pollutants that we want to keep down and I
certainly do not object about clean air.

I think they should do away with current annual or bi-annual checks
and just put detectors out on the roads like speed traps just to get
off the big polluters. One malfunctioning car, truck or bus may be
spewing our more crap than 100 surrounding vehicles. We've all
smelled them on the road.

There are the proggies that object to all gasses from vehicles, not
just CO2 but even water vapor.

All the faulty VW's are producing many times the limits. THAT is a real problem!

I thought global warming was a real problem. Snicker, snicker. Here we go...

On 04/22/2016 06:48 PM, Bob F wrote:
All the faulty VW's are producing many times the limits. THAT is a real problem!

All the faulty VW's number about 70,000. I wonder how the total yearly
emissions compare to a Freightliner? The standard is 0.053 ppm, so 40
times that puts us up to a massive 2.12 ppm. 2 ppm is about the CO
level in most homes.

It will be hard to make a mountain out of that molehill.

On 04/22/2016 07:49 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
I thought global warming was a real problem. Snicker, snicker. Here we go...

No, no, no. Transgender access to restrooms is the real problem. I
don't know how anyone can sleep at night with all those pressing problems.

On 04/22/2016 01:48 PM, Frank wrote:
The group you cite sound like a few guys with degrees and a fax machine.

And a hand out for contributions if you made it that far.

On 04/22/2016 06:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
Yes, the illegal VW's get better milage. And produced huge amounts of illegal
pollutants which are known hazards.

Could you come up with a concrete number for YUGE?

On 04/22/2016 07:27 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2016-04-22, Bob F wrote:
Right! No problem that they pollute 40 times the standards. Only people have to
breath that crud. Who cares about them? Screw them and the EPA bureaucrats.

That would be "up to" 40 times. As soon as you see the words "up to" the
figure following is meaningless. Nowhere have I seen how much they actually
put out under real-world driving conditions or, given the tiny amounts
involved, whether it's going to make a material difference in air quality.

How much pollution will be emitted from the manufacturing of replacement
vehicles? For an accurate picture be sure to start from the mining of
the raw materials and include the energy used.


You're asking for a real world cost/benefit analysis. That ain't going
to happen any time soon. UP TO 40 TIMES MORE gets better contributions
and funding.

Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 17:48:31 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

Your right, there are other pollutants that we want to keep down
and I certainly do not object about clean air.

I think they should do away with current annual or bi-annual checks
and just put detectors out on the roads like speed traps just to get
off the big polluters. One malfunctioning car, truck or bus may be
spewing our more crap than 100 surrounding vehicles. We've all
smelled them on the road.

There are the proggies that object to all gasses from vehicles, not
just CO2 but even water vapor.

All the faulty VW's are producing many times the limits. THAT is a
real problem!

I thought global warming was a real problem. Snicker, snicker. Here
we go...

Only the clueless think there can be only one problem caused by exhaust.

rbowman wrote:
On 04/22/2016 06:48 PM, Bob F wrote:
All the faulty VW's are producing many times the limits. THAT is a
real problem!

All the faulty VW's number about 70,000. I wonder how the total yearly
emissions compare to a Freightliner? The standard is 0.053 ppm, so 40
times that puts us up to a massive 2.12 ppm. 2 ppm is about the CO
level in most homes.

It will be hard to make a mountain out of that molehill.

The mountain was made by a huge criminal corporation.

rbowman wrote:
On 04/22/2016 06:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
Yes, the illegal VW's get better milage. And produced huge amounts
of illegal pollutants which are known hazards.

Could you come up with a concrete number for YUGE?

Up to 40 times as much pollution as the legal limits.

On 04/23/2016 09:36 AM, Bob F wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 04/22/2016 06:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
Yes, the illegal VW's get better milage. And produced huge amounts
of illegal pollutants which are known hazards.

Could you come up with a concrete number for YUGE?

Up to 40 times as much pollution as the legal limits.



Do you understand 'concrete'. How many tons of nitrogen oxide per year
are produced by the 70,000 affected TDI engines in the US? How does this
compare to the overall production of nitrogen oxide from other sources?
'Up to 40 times' doesn't mean **** to a tree.

rbowman wrote:
On 04/23/2016 09:36 AM, Bob F wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 04/22/2016 06:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
Yes, the illegal VW's get better milage. And produced huge amounts
of illegal pollutants which are known hazards.

Could you come up with a concrete number for YUGE?

Up to 40 times as much pollution as the legal limits.



Do you understand 'concrete'. How many tons of nitrogen oxide per year
are produced by the 70,000 affected TDI engines in the US? How does
this compare to the overall production of nitrogen oxide from other
sources? 'Up to 40 times' doesn't mean **** to a tree.

Trees kinda like ****. It means a lot to VW. Corporate cheaters deserve at least
what it costs them. Slaps on the wrist are what they usually get.

On 04/23/2016 11:43 AM, Bob F wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 04/23/2016 09:36 AM, Bob F wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 04/22/2016 06:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
Yes, the illegal VW's get better milage. And produced huge amounts
of illegal pollutants which are known hazards.

Could you come up with a concrete number for YUGE?

Up to 40 times as much pollution as the legal limits.



Do you understand 'concrete'. How many tons of nitrogen oxide per year
are produced by the 70,000 affected TDI engines in the US? How does
this compare to the overall production of nitrogen oxide from other
sources? 'Up to 40 times' doesn't mean **** to a tree.

Trees kinda like ****. It means a lot to VW. Corporate cheaters deserve at least
what it costs them. Slaps on the wrist are what they usually get.



Evasion noted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7epbdQ4YYI


"Consider how small you are
Compared to your scream
The human dream
Doesn't mean **** to a tree."

'Eskimo Blue Day' Jefferson Airplane

Do you really think all this crap means anything in the long run?