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Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
Per Uncle Monster:
Mercaptan is a great prank substance for chemistry students to play with even more powerful a terrorist weapon than hydrogen sulfide. My oldest brother and his pals went into the chemistry lab at school, dissolved hydrogen sulfide gas into a jar of cold water, took the jar to the cafeteria, placed the open jar on a radiator then slunk away. It was like the Jolly Green Giant farted in there and it cleared the room. The monks had their suspicions but couldn't prove which miscreant did the deed. Maybe that's the stuff your chemistry teacher used to keep us under control. The threat was that if we didn't behave, he would un-cork a bottle of the stuff in our classroom. He did do it once... and that was plenty for us... -- Pete Cresswell |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On Friday, December 18, 2015 at 2:36:12 PM UTC-6, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Uncle Monster: Mercaptan is a great prank substance for chemistry students to play with even more powerful a terrorist weapon than hydrogen sulfide. My oldest brother and his pals went into the chemistry lab at school, dissolved hydrogen sulfide gas into a jar of cold water, took the jar to the cafeteria, placed the open jar on a radiator then slunk away. It was like the Jolly Green Giant farted in there and it cleared the room. The monks had their suspicions but couldn't prove which miscreant did the deed. Maybe that's the stuff your chemistry teacher used to keep us under control. The threat was that if we didn't behave, he would un-cork a bottle of the stuff in our classroom. He did do it once... and that was plenty for us... -- Pete Cresswell Speaking of hydrogen sulfide, I'm pretty much over the food poisoning I developed last week but a great volume of hydrogen sulfide gas has been escaping from my tailpipe ever since. (€¢€¿€¢) [8~{} Uncle Gassy Monster |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 11:19:39 PM UTC-5, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 4:55:05 PM UTC-6, M. Stradbury wrote: I just bought a house with a 1,000 gallon propane tank owned by the house and property tax is paid on the tank which is a California-only thing I hear. They just filled the tank up to 85% (they wouldn't fill further they told my wife, otherwise it could blow up, they said). They told me the price is $1.45 per gallon of propane plus about a twenty dollar "hazmat" fee whatever that means, for a total price a bit over a thousand dollars for the fill. They said they "inspected" the system (which was existing), and they inspected the tank which is on on four-inch thick concrete slab bolted down by straps for earthquakes), and they charge $100 for that inspection (my wife let them in the house but she doesn't know what they did). I never had propane before. I don't begrudge them anything. But, I also don't know what's normal. Is this normal stuff? It's my understanding that the tank isn't filled all the way because room in the tank is needed for the liquid propane to evaporate into gas and the gas, not liquid propane is what is fed into the home. The higher the demand for propane gas from a tank, the more surface area is needed inside the tank thus a larger tank is needed. That's why you can't run a large furnace from a 20 pound cylinder. The liquid in the small tank can't boil into gas fast enough to supply the furnace with enough gas except for testing. (ヅ) When I run my furnace off of a 20 lb tank, I use another 20 lb tank to heat the tank used for the furnace so that the liquid boils faster. Cousin "BOOM" Monster |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is thisnormal?)
On 12/17/2015 08:09 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
[snip] When I worked for one place, they told us the 80% capacity was already figured in, and we put 20 pounds in the 20 pounders. I thought it was 16, but the boss said 20, and also the guy who taught the certification course so I could pump propane. Also read on line, Blue Rhino was at one point put 15 pounds instead of 16. Maybe still do. I just got a 20 pound propane tank filled. It weighted 20 pounds more than the empty tank. -- 7 days until the winter celebration (Friday December 25, 2015 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "The dogma of the infallibility of the Bible is no more self-evident than is that of the infallibility of the popes." [Thomas Huxley] |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is thisnormal?)
On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:53:49 -0600, rbowman wrote:
On 12/17/2015 09:50 PM, Clément wrote: So, he says, it's a way that he gets to be "on-call" at auto-fill prices. I'm in a rural area but typically the truck is out my way once a week. I just ask them to fill it when they're in the area and they don't charge for the on-call. If I ran out completely or something and got them out for a special trip, then they'd hit me for the call charge. I've only got a 100 gallon tank so it's not like i'm going to suck the truck dry.. My parents had a 500 gallon for the farmhouse. The coop had a deal for people to contract ahead for a cheaper price. I think it included a keep full provision without trip charges. The irrigation wells here on propane usually have at least one 1000 gallon tank, sometimes two. There was a time when the coops would use the propane trailers to haul anhydrous ammonia in season and vice versa. I don't know if they still do that. -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is thisnormal?)
On 12/18/2015 7:05 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 12/17/2015 08:09 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: [snip] When I worked for one place, they told us the 80% capacity was already figured in, and we put 20 pounds in the 20 pounders. I thought it was 16, but the boss said 20, and also the guy who taught the certification course so I could pump propane. Also read on line, Blue Rhino was at one point put 15 pounds instead of 16. Maybe still do. I just got a 20 pound propane tank filled. It weighted 20 pounds more than the empty tank. http://www.orangecoat.com/the-truth-...-propane-tanks These "20 lb" tanks are designed to take up to 20 pounds of propane. You may get a pound or 2 less, depending on the temperature of the tank and surrounding air when the tank was filled. Cooler = more propane in, hotter = less in. Tanks can actually fit another 20% in the tank, but that extra space is designed for expansion as the temperature rises. In very cold winter climates, like Canada, there may be more concern/rules about filling a tank to a complete 20 lbs. This is because if you leave a tank outside in very cold temps, filled the tank when the tank is cold, and then bring it into a hot basement/garage for a space heater, the gas will expand as the tank warms. With enough of a temperature increase, the tank's pressure relief value will release a bit of gas. This would be less of an issue if the relief value were bleeding to outside air. Propane Tank Tare Weight on Collar All propane tanks have a "tare weight" or "T.W." stamped on the collar of the tank. For a grill sized tank you simply calculate the tare weight + 20 lbs, and that's how much the tank should weigh when it's full. Most 20 lb tanks have a tare weight of +/- 17 pounds when completely empty. This means a "full" propane tank should weigh about 37 pounds. There is also a month and year on the collar indicating the date the tank was made. For 20 lb propane tanks, you have 12 years from the manufacture date before the tank must be re-certified with a new date stamped on it. The re-certification only adds 5 years before having to re-certify again. The cost and inconvenience of re-certifying almost always outweighs the price of a new tank. Brand new propane tanks may come with air inside and need to be "purged" before the first fill. Some newer tanks, like Bernzomatic, will have a sticker on them saying they don't need to be purged within 6 months of the manufacture date. Purging requires a special adapter to allow a small amount of propane in. The pressure then pushes air out of a one-way bleeder valve. Purging may add another $3-4 dollars to a new tank, though some places don't charge, especially if you buy the tank from them. Internet searches suggest the following: 1 gallon of propane weighs 4.2 pounds A "full" 20 lb cylinder should have 4.7 gallons or propane in it |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 07:39:23 -0700, rbowman wrote:
I only have the pilot on the top burners and not the oven. Sometimes in the summer when the windows are open it will blow out. If I'm not using the stove it can take a day or two before there's enough concentration to smell, let alone be a problem. I turn the furnace pilot off in the summer. On warm days the pilot can heat the furnace up enough that it triggers the fan sensor. No harm except the fan sounds like a 727 taking off. Ive had that happen many times. In fact, even if the pilot is off, my furnace blower may start running because its so hot in the house. I dont use AC. The solution is to just shut off the entire furnace. No gas, no electricity. I rigged up a furnace blower in a window. That sucks the hot air out of the house a lot faster than plain old window fans, and dont cost a fortune to run, like an AC does. |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 06:32:38 -0500, Micky
wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 06:31:13 -0500, Micky wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 03:42:26 -0600, wrote: my range pilot lights to eliminate that extra heat in the house and to save gas. This is partly because I cook outdoors on my grill more than indoors in hot weather. Pilot lights are really not needed on ranges. Just keep a cig lighter next to the stove, and use that to ignite the flame. But some people seem to want everything "instant on". To me, stuff like that is insignificant. So it takes me an extra 5 seconds to flick my bic... Who cares. Our oven didnt' have a pilot, and that was lit with a match. Somehow the flame was sucked off the match to the burner, and the match wasn't burning anymore. Spooky. Matches are a pain in the ass. And the cheap cardboard ones you often get for free, are very poorly made these days. The old wooden ones are better. But for th oven (and the burners), I use one of those "fireplace lighters". Basically just a cig lighter with a long extension. That prevents burned fingers. I shut the pilot off entirely in my oven. I dont bake, so it's probably been at least a year since I used the oven, and that was to dry out a metal can full of nails I forgot to bring indoors before it rained. |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 05:50:59 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote: I have a cooktop that uses the always own very small pilot lights. I think all the old gas ranges were like that. There is no safety device built into them. There would be a possibility that the house fills with enough gas or propane to cause an explosion if the homeowner was gone for a long time. Did they do anything to check for leaks during the inspection? They did that when I first connected this system up. They also did it when they insisted my (working) regulator had to be replaced because it was an old model. I bitched about that, because they said it would cost me over $100. They finally just changed it at no cost to me, then pressure tested the system. (This is one advantage to getting gas from the same supplier). |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is thisnormal?)
On 12/18/2015 8:01 PM, wrote:
Ive had that happen many times. In fact, even if the pilot is off, my furnace blower may start running because its so hot in the house. I dont use AC. The solution is to just shut off the entire furnace. No gas, no electricity. I rigged up a furnace blower in a window. That sucks the hot air out of the house a lot faster than plain old window fans, and dont cost a fortune to run, like an AC does. In my last trailer, no AC. One time it got up to 93F daytime, with 103 indoors. The fan came on. Furnace blower fan sounds like a good idea. I sure wished for a window AC in at least the bedroom. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On 12/18/2015 05:07 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
My parents had a 500 gallon for the farmhouse. The coop had a deal for people to contract ahead for a cheaper price. I think it included a keep full provision without trip charges. I buy for the winter in August. The way the market is going this year, I may lose on the deal. However the year propane went through the roof, I made out. |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is thisnormal?)
DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 11:19:39 PM UTC-5, Uncle Monster wrote: On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 4:55:05 PM UTC-6, M. Stradbury wrote: I just bought a house with a 1,000 gallon propane tank owned by the house and property tax is paid on the tank which is a California-only thing I hear. They just filled the tank up to 85% (they wouldn't fill further they told my wife, otherwise it could blow up, they said). They told me the price is $1.45 per gallon of propane plus about a twenty dollar "hazmat" fee whatever that means, for a total price a bit over a thousand dollars for the fill. They said they "inspected" the system (which was existing), and they inspected the tank which is on on four-inch thick concrete slab bolted down by straps for earthquakes), and they charge $100 for that inspection (my wife let them in the house but she doesn't know what they did). I never had propane before. I don't begrudge them anything. But, I also don't know what's normal. Is this normal stuff? It's my understanding that the tank isn't filled all the way because room in the tank is needed for the liquid propane to evaporate into gas and the gas, not liquid propane is what is fed into the home. The higher the demand for propane gas from a tank, the more surface area is needed inside the tank thus a larger tank is needed. That's why you can't run a large furnace from a 20 pound cylinder. The liquid in the small tank can't boil into gas fast enough to supply the furnace with enough gas except for testing. (ヅ) When I run my furnace off of a 20 lb tank, I use another 20 lb tank to heat the tank used for the furnace so that the liquid boils faster. Cousin "BOOM" Monster There is winter grade propane. |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 07:45:23 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 12/18/2015 04:32 AM, Micky wrote: Our oven didnt' have a pilot, and that was lit with a match. Somehow the flame was sucked off the match to the burner, and the match wasn't burning anymore. Spooky. I usually have a few sticks of incense and I'll light one and use that My mother didn't use incense. What do you think she was, a hippie? A hippie born in 1908 and it's then 1955! She used matches for cigarettes too, until she stopped smoking about 1957. to light the oven. You can get the stick down through the hole easier than a match. With the match if the gas is slow getting up through the hole you can get a pretty good whoosh. Knocks the carbon off the oven racks :) We only got a little whoosh. See my soon to be posted thread about antique ovens. Well, I'm sleepy. Maybe tomorrow. |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On 12/18/2015 08:08 PM, Micky wrote:
My mother didn't use incense. What do you think she was, a hippie? A hippie born in 1908 and it's then 1955! My mother used incense and she was born in 1903.. http://www.laurelleaffarm.com/1930s-...ense-boxes.htm There was always a box of Rani incense and a green plaster Buddha on the bathroom radiator. She preferred the sandalwood variety. I wish they still made it; it had a nice smell. I still use incense, mostly in the winter when the cave is buttoned up tight. I like it better than the air freshener stuff. |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On Friday, December 18, 2015 at 3:21:41 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 11:19:39 PM UTC-5, Uncle Monster wrote: On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 4:55:05 PM UTC-6, M. Stradbury wrote: I just bought a house with a 1,000 gallon propane tank owned by the house and property tax is paid on the tank which is a California-only thing I hear. They just filled the tank up to 85% (they wouldn't fill further they told my wife, otherwise it could blow up, they said). They told me the price is $1.45 per gallon of propane plus about a twenty dollar "hazmat" fee whatever that means, for a total price a bit over a thousand dollars for the fill. They said they "inspected" the system (which was existing), and they inspected the tank which is on on four-inch thick concrete slab bolted down by straps for earthquakes), and they charge $100 for that inspection (my wife let them in the house but she doesn't know what they did). I never had propane before. I don't begrudge them anything. But, I also don't know what's normal. Is this normal stuff? It's my understanding that the tank isn't filled all the way because room in the tank is needed for the liquid propane to evaporate into gas and the gas, not liquid propane is what is fed into the home. The higher the demand for propane gas from a tank, the more surface area is needed inside the tank thus a larger tank is needed. That's why you can't run a large furnace from a 20 pound cylinder. The liquid in the small tank can't boil into gas fast enough to supply the furnace with enough gas except for testing. (ヅ) When I run my furnace off of a 20 lb tank, I use another 20 lb tank to heat the tank used for the furnace so that the liquid boils faster. Cousin "BOOM" Monster Yea, you can run a small furnace off of one if the tank is inside the dwelling with the heater so the ambient air can warm the tank. I had an infrared heater that attached to and used the tank as a base. It worked on any upright tank that had the same type valve as a propane tank from a barbecue grill. That heater was about 12" square and put out a great deal of heat. I have a small one that screws on top of a propane torch cylinder. It had a round plastic base included which fit the bottom of the standard cylinder to give it more stability. The added base was unneeded with the larger diameter squat cylinders used on camping stoves. Those heaters served me well during power outages until I installed one of the natural gas infrared heaters on the wall in the hallway at the house. That type heater is a big improvement over the NG heaters we had at home when I was a kid. (€¢€¿€¢) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr15rPHEmeQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-nOPvXiIWQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsppNOHdQII [8~{} Uncle Infrared Monster |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 23:11:35 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 12/18/2015 08:08 PM, Micky wrote: My mother didn't use incense. What do you think she was, a hippie? A hippie born in 1908 and it's then 1955! My mother used incense and she was born in 1903.. Wow. It's a shame they never met. (Maybe your mother could have gotten my mother to join a commune.) http://www.laurelleaffarm.com/1930s-...ense-boxes.htm There was always a box of Rani incense and a green plaster Buddha on the bathroom radiator. She preferred the sandalwood variety. I wish they still made it; it had a nice smell. I still use incense, mostly in the winter when the cave is buttoned up tight. I like it better than the air freshener stuff. She never used air freshener either. I never noticed a smell. |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On 12/19/2015 08:08 AM, Micky wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 23:11:35 -0700, rbowman wrote: On 12/18/2015 08:08 PM, Micky wrote: My mother didn't use incense. What do you think she was, a hippie? A hippie born in 1908 and it's then 1955! My mother used incense and she was born in 1903.. Wow. It's a shame they never met. (Maybe your mother could have gotten my mother to join a commune.) http://www.laurelleaffarm.com/1930s-...ense-boxes.htm There was always a box of Rani incense and a green plaster Buddha on the bathroom radiator. She preferred the sandalwood variety. I wish they still made it; it had a nice smell. I still use incense, mostly in the winter when the cave is buttoned up tight. I like it better than the air freshener stuff. She never used air freshener either. I never noticed a smell. So you're saying your **** doesn't stink. Okaaaaay.... |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
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Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
Uncle Monster posted for all of us...
On Friday, December 18, 2015 at 8:40:31 AM UTC-6, rbowman wrote: On 12/18/2015 04:31 AM, Micky wrote: Absolutely. Even my mother, who worried about a lot of things, wasn't worried when the pilot light went off. When we smelled the gas, she relit the pilot. Most noses are very sensitive and it takes barely anything to smell the natural gas. ... Isn't propane the same way? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanethiol That says one part in 2.8 billion is detectable. I'd hate to smell the stuff straight up. Mercaptan is a great prank substance for chemistry students to play with even more powerful a terrorist weapon than hydrogen sulfide. My oldest brother and his pals went into the chemistry lab at school, dissolved hydrogen sulfide gas into a jar of cold water, took the jar to the cafeteria, placed the open jar on a radiator then slunk away. It was like the Jolly Green Giant farted in there and it cleared the room. The monks had their suspicions but couldn't prove which miscreant did the deed. ?(^o^)? [8~{} Uncle Stinky Monster Didn't have his fingerprints on file? (g) -- Tekkie |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is thisnormal?)
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:59:52 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:
There is winter grade propane. Really? You sure? Propane is a simple chemical. C-C-C How do they make 3 carbons (and a few hydrogens) a "winter" grade? |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 2:35:25 PM UTC-6, Tekkie® wrote:
Uncle Monster posted for all of us... On Friday, December 18, 2015 at 8:40:31 AM UTC-6, rbowman wrote: On 12/18/2015 04:31 AM, Micky wrote: Absolutely. Even my mother, who worried about a lot of things, wasn't worried when the pilot light went off. When we smelled the gas, she relit the pilot. Most noses are very sensitive and it takes barely anything to smell the natural gas. ... Isn't propane the same way? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanethiol That says one part in 2.8 billion is detectable. I'd hate to smell the stuff straight up. Mercaptan is a great prank substance for chemistry students to play with even more powerful a terrorist weapon than hydrogen sulfide. My oldest brother and his pals went into the chemistry lab at school, dissolved hydrogen sulfide gas into a jar of cold water, took the jar to the cafeteria, placed the open jar on a radiator then slunk away. It was like the Jolly Green Giant farted in there and it cleared the room. The monks had their suspicions but couldn't prove which miscreant did the deed. ?(^o^)? [8~{} Uncle Stinky Monster Didn't have his fingerprints on file? (g) -- Tekkie The seminary didn't have the equipment then. Now I think the school takes DNA samples from all incoming students and sends one of them to The Vatican. (€¢€¿€¢) [8~{} Uncle Delinquent Monster |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 2:58:03 PM UTC-6, M. Stradbury wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:59:52 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote: There is winter grade propane. Really? You sure? Propane is a simple chemical. C-C-C How do they make 3 carbons (and a few hydrogens) a "winter" grade? The supplier mixes in hydrogen.ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ [8~{} Uncle LPG Monster |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is thisnormal?)
Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 2:58:03 PM UTC-6, M. Stradbury wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:59:52 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote: There is winter grade propane. Really? You sure? Propane is a simple chemical. C-C-C How do they make 3 carbons (and a few hydrogens) a "winter" grade? The supplier mixes in hydrogen.ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ [8~{} Uncle LPG Monster We used to fill winter grade on our camping trailer to use in winter time. I heard it is mixed with Butane to keep it from freezing. Well there is winter grade gasoline too. |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is thisnormal?)
Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 10:40:53 PM UTC-6, Tony Hwang wrote: Uncle Monster wrote: On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 4:55:05 PM UTC-6, M. Stradbury wrote: I just bought a house with a 1,000 gallon propane tank owned by the house and property tax is paid on the tank which is a California-only thing I hear. They just filled the tank up to 85% (they wouldn't fill further they told my wife, otherwise it could blow up, they said). They told me the price is $1.45 per gallon of propane plus about a twenty dollar "hazmat" fee whatever that means, for a total price a bit over a thousand dollars for the fill. They said they "inspected" the system (which was existing), and they inspected the tank which is on on four-inch thick concrete slab bolted down by straps for earthquakes), and they charge $100 for that inspection (my wife let them in the house but she doesn't know what they did). I never had propane before. I don't begrudge them anything. But, I also don't know what's normal. Is this normal stuff? It's my understanding that the tank isn't filled all the way because room in the tank is needed for the liquid propane to evaporate into gas and the gas, not liquid propane is what is fed into the home. The higher the demand for propane gas from a tank, the more surface area is needed inside the tank thus a larger tank is needed. That's why you can't run a large furnace from a 20 pound cylinder. The liquid in the small tank can't boil into gas fast enough to supply the furnace with enough gas except for testing. (ヅ) [8~{} Uncle LP Monster Right that is common knowledge as well as safety issue. I saw few times camping trailer tanks blowing safety valve spewing cloudy gas into air during summer camping. I have my doubts that the OP knew that. You and I have had experience with propane for something other than operating a barbecue grill and I believe you understand the scientific principles explaining the behavior of LPG. ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ [8~~{} Uncle Gassy Monster They always fill by the weight, not by the volume. |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is thisnormal?)
On 12/19/2015 7:04 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote: On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 2:58:03 PM UTC-6, M. Stradbury wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:59:52 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote: There is winter grade propane. Really? You sure? Propane is a simple chemical. C-C-C How do they make 3 carbons (and a few hydrogens) a "winter" grade? The supplier mixes in hydrogen.ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ [8~{} Uncle LPG Monster We used to fill winter grade on our camping trailer to use in winter time. I heard it is mixed with Butane to keep it from freezing. Well there is winter grade gasoline too. I don't remember 'all" of my chemistry. But butane (four carbons, BTW) freezes easier than propane. If memory serves, liquid butane has a boiling point of +32F, and propane boils at -40F. Not sure about freezing, but we are concerned with the boiling point when discussing fuel vapor devices and tanks. You can tank me later. .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is thisnormal?)
On 12/19/2015 7:05 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote: Right that is common knowledge as well as safety issue. I saw few times camping trailer tanks blowing safety valve spewing cloudy gas into air during summer camping. I have my doubts that the OP knew that. You and I have had experience with propane for something other than operating a barbecue grill and I believe you understand the scientific principles explaining the behavior of LPG. ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ [8~~{} Uncle Gassy Monster They always fill by the weight, not by the volume. I've had camp ground guy fill by volume, more than once. He opened the screw driver slot valve, and filled till liquid came out the vent hole. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
"I've had camp ground guy fill by volume, more than once. He opened the screw driver slot valve, and filled till liquid came out the vent hole. " http://yelnick.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8...b2e4970b-popup |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 6:04:43 PM UTC-6, Tony Hwang wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote: On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 2:58:03 PM UTC-6, M. Stradbury wrote: On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:59:52 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote: There is winter grade propane. Really? You sure? Propane is a simple chemical. C-C-C How do they make 3 carbons (and a few hydrogens) a "winter" grade? The supplier mixes in hydrogen.ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ [8~{} Uncle LPG Monster We used to fill winter grade on our camping trailer to use in winter time. I heard it is mixed with Butane to keep it from freezing. Well there is winter grade gasoline too. I was going to mention Butane but I thought, without researching it, that Propane had a lower boiling point. I recall reading something about refineries blending winter grade gasoline to have a higher vapor pressure so pollution standards could be met. I'm no chemist but I can use The Internet to find out. ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ [8~{} Uncle Gas Monster |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 6:05:54 PM UTC-6, Tony Hwang wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote: On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 10:40:53 PM UTC-6, Tony Hwang wrote: Uncle Monster wrote: On Thursday, December 17, 2015 at 4:55:05 PM UTC-6, M. Stradbury wrote: I just bought a house with a 1,000 gallon propane tank owned by the house and property tax is paid on the tank which is a California-only thing I hear. They just filled the tank up to 85% (they wouldn't fill further they told my wife, otherwise it could blow up, they said). They told me the price is $1.45 per gallon of propane plus about a twenty dollar "hazmat" fee whatever that means, for a total price a bit over a thousand dollars for the fill. They said they "inspected" the system (which was existing), and they inspected the tank which is on on four-inch thick concrete slab bolted down by straps for earthquakes), and they charge $100 for that inspection (my wife let them in the house but she doesn't know what they did). I never had propane before. I don't begrudge them anything. But, I also don't know what's normal. Is this normal stuff? It's my understanding that the tank isn't filled all the way because room in the tank is needed for the liquid propane to evaporate into gas and the gas, not liquid propane is what is fed into the home. The higher the demand for propane gas from a tank, the more surface area is needed inside the tank thus a larger tank is needed. That's why you can't run a large furnace from a 20 pound cylinder. The liquid in the small tank can't boil into gas fast enough to supply the furnace with enough gas except for testing. (ヅ) [8~{} Uncle LP Monster Right that is common knowledge as well as safety issue. I saw few times camping trailer tanks blowing safety valve spewing cloudy gas into air during summer camping. I have my doubts that the OP knew that. You and I have had experience with propane for something other than operating a barbecue grill and I believe you understand the scientific principles explaining the behavior of LPG. ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ [8~~{} Uncle Gassy Monster They always fill by the weight, not by the volume. That resembles my dining habits. (€¢€¿€¢) [8~{} Uncle Hungry Monster |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On 12/20/2015 05:49 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
I was going to mention Butane but I thought, without researching it, that Propane had a lower boiling point. I recall reading something about refineries blending winter grade gasoline to have a higher vapor pressure so pollution standards could be met. I'm no chemist but I can use The Internet to find out. I haven't seen E10 around here but the city mandates oxygenated gasoline in the winter months to reduce pollution. That's achieved by adding 8% ethanol from November 1 to March 1. Diesel also has winter blends. #2 diesel starts to gel at 5 to 10 degrees F as the paraffin starts to crystallize. In very cold places like North Dakota the truck stops will have straight #1 (kerosene), but most places will have a blend of #1 and #2. There are also additives. Those can be handy if you fuel in CA where there's no winter blend and are headed north. |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is this normal?)
On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 1:58:46 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
On 12/20/2015 05:49 AM, Uncle Monster wrote: I was going to mention Butane but I thought, without researching it, that Propane had a lower boiling point. I recall reading something about refineries blending winter grade gasoline to have a higher vapor pressure so pollution standards could be met. I'm no chemist but I can use The Internet to find out. I haven't seen E10 around here but the city mandates oxygenated gasoline in the winter months to reduce pollution. That's achieved by adding 8% ethanol from November 1 to March 1. Diesel also has winter blends. #2 diesel starts to gel at 5 to 10 degrees F as the paraffin starts to crystallize. In very cold places like North Dakota the truck stops will have straight #1 (kerosene), but most places will have a blend of #1 and #2. There are also additives. Those can be handy if you fuel in CA where there's no winter blend and are headed north. I'll have to look it up but I recall "MTBE ?" being used to oxygenate gasoline then it was found to be a carcinogen that was killing snails or something like that when it got into the environment. Everything we use for fuel is trying to kill us or damage the environment so I suppose we should only walk or ride bicycles. Š™.˜‰ [8~{} Uncle Polluted Monster |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is thisnormal?)
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:04:34 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:
We used to fill winter grade on our camping trailer to use in winter time. I heard it is mixed with Butane to keep it from freezing. Well there is winter grade gasoline too. I don't know if there /is/ a winter-grade propane, but gasoline is generally comprised of at least a hundred different chemicals, which, compared to something as simple as propane, isn't at all the same thing. |
Just bought house with 1,000 gallon propane tank (is thisnormal?)
On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:05:50 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:
They always fill by the weight, not by the volume. Are you sure? Propane is a liquid when they pump it into your tank from their truck. Also, they charge you by the gallon. Their meter on the truck measures in gallons. Although the meter on the tank measures in percent. Of course, that doesn't mean they don't fill by weight. But, it implies they measure gallons. |
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