With all of the rain, I have been having problems with GFI tripping of
the pool circuit. It is okay unless we get more than an inch of rain or
so in an hour or so. Any particular area of the motor or the circuit
that I should think about maybe siliconing or is it likely the saturated
soil messing with the ground or something else??
FWIW if we put a fan in the area of the motor and/or the box, it
seems to dry out and we can use it within an hour or two whereas if we
don't use the fan, it was a day the time before?
Any tips on tracking down the culprit?
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On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 11:04:02 AM UTC-4, Kurt Ullman wrote:
With all of the rain, I have been having problems with GFI tripping of
the pool circuit. It is okay unless we get more than an inch of rain or
so in an hour or so. Any particular area of the motor or the circuit
that I should think about maybe siliconing or is it likely the saturated
soil messing with the ground or something else??
FWIW if we put a fan in the area of the motor and/or the box, it
seems to dry out and we can use it within an hour or two whereas if we
don't use the fan, it was a day the time before?
Any tips on tracking down the culprit?
--
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
€¹ Aaron Levenstein

In your previous post about this, I outlined how to track it down.
I assume you have a GFCI breaker. When it's tripping, disconnect
the load side and see if it still trips. If it does, then it's
the breaker. If it doesn't trip, then proceed down the load side
circuit. If it only goes to the pump, disconnect it at the pump,
leave it connected at the breaker. If it trips, then it's water
somewhere in between. If it doesn't trip without the pump, but
does when the pump is connected, then it's the pump. If there are
other loads on there, deal with them one at a time, per above.

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 08:33:58 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 11:04:02 AM UTC-4, Kurt Ullman wrote:
With all of the rain, I have been having problems with GFI tripping of
the pool circuit. It is okay unless we get more than an inch of rain or
so in an hour or so. Any particular area of the motor or the circuit
that I should think about maybe siliconing or is it likely the saturated
soil messing with the ground or something else??
FWIW if we put a fan in the area of the motor and/or the box, it
seems to dry out and we can use it within an hour or two whereas if we
don't use the fan, it was a day the time before?
Any tips on tracking down the culprit?
--
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
‹ Aaron Levenstein

In your previous post about this, I outlined how to track it down.
I assume you have a GFCI breaker. When it's tripping, disconnect
the load side and see if it still trips. If it does, then it's
the breaker. If it doesn't trip, then proceed down the load side
circuit. If it only goes to the pump, disconnect it at the pump,
leave it connected at the breaker. If it trips, then it's water
somewhere in between. If it doesn't trip without the pump, but
does when the pump is connected, then it's the pump. If there are
other loads on there, deal with them one at a time, per above.

We know noting about the setup, the power cabinet, or the wiring.

Kurt, if IRC, did not reply to other ideas in his first post.

In article ,
Oren wrote:


We know noting about the setup, the power cabinet, or the wiring.

Kurt, if IRC, did not reply to other ideas in his first post.
Yes I did, at least those I saw.

At the area with the pump, there is a box with a switch to turn on and
turn off the pump, one for the light and one to run the auto pool cover.
When I try to run the pump, it kicks out. Everything else in the box
(the light, the auto cover and both of the outlets (where the GFI is
located naturally) that I use to plug in things like the Iphone or
speakers are working fine), it is only the pump that is causing me
problems.
The pump appears from a quick inspection to have no water entry
problems that I can find. The places where the power goes in is tight at
the pump and when I undo it, quick visual inspection doesn't show any
kind of discoloration, wetness or a patina which I have been told to
expect. The box that has the switches in it seems the same way as far
as I can tell. I put some silicon around the box as an additional
protection .
Anything else you need to know?
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‹ Aaron Levenstein

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 16:41:26 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

Anything else you need to know?

Maybe. I'm not an electric guy. Did you try what Trader suggested the
first and last time?

Is the bonding wire tight?

In article ,
Oren wrote:

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 16:41:26 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

Anything else you need to know?

Maybe. I'm not an electric guy. Did you try what Trader suggested the
first and last time?

Is the bonding wire tight?

Yes. That was the only reply I got last time, at least that I saw (main
reason I tried it again).

Further: We took some fans and a hair dryer down to the area and
focussed the hair dryer on the pump itself and the fan on the junction
box. After about 4-4.5 hours, it dried out to where it started working
again.
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but what they conceal is vital."
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On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 4:41:30 PM UTC-4, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
Oren wrote:


We know noting about the setup, the power cabinet, or the wiring.

Kurt, if IRC, did not reply to other ideas in his first post.
Yes I did, at least those I saw.

At the area with the pump, there is a box with a switch to turn on and
turn off the pump, one for the light and one to run the auto pool cover.
When I try to run the pump, it kicks out. Everything else in the box
(the light, the auto cover and both of the outlets (where the GFI is
located naturally) that I use to plug in things like the Iphone or
speakers are working fine), it is only the pump that is causing me
problems.
The pump appears from a quick inspection to have no water entry
problems that I can find. The places where the power goes in is tight at
the pump and when I undo it, quick visual inspection doesn't show any
kind of discoloration, wetness or a patina which I have been told to
expect. The box that has the switches in it seems the same way as far
as I can tell. I put some silicon around the box as an additional
protection .

So, disconnect the wires at the pump and see if the GFCI will stay
set. If it does, then sounds like it's time for a new motor.

On Sun, 12 Jul 2015 16:46:24 -0500, trader_4 wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 4:41:30 PM UTC-4, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
Oren wrote:


We know noting about the setup, the power cabinet, or the wiring.

Kurt, if IRC, did not reply to other ideas in his first post.
Yes I did, at least those I saw.

At the area with the pump, there is a box with a switch to turn on and
turn off the pump, one for the light and one to run the auto pool cover.
When I try to run the pump, it kicks out. Everything else in the box
(the light, the auto cover and both of the outlets (where the GFI is
located naturally) that I use to plug in things like the Iphone or
speakers are working fine), it is only the pump that is causing me
problems.
The pump appears from a quick inspection to have no water entry
problems that I can find. The places where the power goes in is tight at
the pump and when I undo it, quick visual inspection doesn't show any
kind of discoloration, wetness or a patina which I have been told to
expect. The box that has the switches in it seems the same way as far
as I can tell. I put some silicon around the box as an additional
protection .

So, disconnect the wires at the pump and see if the GFCI will stay
set. If it does, then sounds like it's time for a new motor.


Do those motors typically have weep holes in the bottom
side to allow condensation to escape? Condensation is an issue for
irrigation system motors and such. Everything has some provision
to allow for that. The motors have weep holes. The electrical
boxes have the switches mounted off the base, not directly on it.
Some may also have the weep holes.
I'd probably try drilling weep holes at the low end of the
motor depending on how tough the disassembly is.


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On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 10:04:02 AM UTC-5, Kurt Ullman wrote:
With all of the rain, I have been having problems with GFI tripping of
the pool circuit. It is okay unless we get more than an inch of rain or
so in an hour or so. Any particular area of the motor or the circuit
that I should think about maybe siliconing or is it likely the saturated
soil messing with the ground or something else??
FWIW if we put a fan in the area of the motor and/or the box, it
seems to dry out and we can use it within an hour or two whereas if we
don't use the fan, it was a day the time before?
Any tips on tracking down the culprit?
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Condensation getting into the motor or wiring? Use a hair dryer to heat the control box or motor to see if moisture is getting into the control box or into the pump motor. Many outdoor control cabinets have an electric heater in them to drive out moisture by keeping the interior warm. If it turns out to be condensation getting into your control box, you could rig a nightlight with a standard 7W incandescent lamp to be a heater for the inside of your control box. You could get creative, drill a hole in the control box cover near the light then glue a piece of translucent plastic over the hole and your 7W heater doubles as a power on indicator. If moisture is somehow getting to your pump motor, it can be heated to by wrapping a crankcase heater from an AC compressor around the motor to keep it warm. The same sort of heater is made in an aluminum bar form that could be used inside a control box. 8-)

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