We've recently cleaned up our back yard and spread some pea gravel where
no grass will grow. It was always muddy when it would rain, so we gave
up and just weeded the sparse grass down that did come up along with any
weeds. The pea gravel looks nice in the path, but today we found a good
size garter snake right in the middle of the gravel sunning itself.
I've read they like to do that sort of thing, but now I'm not so sure if
it's such a good thing, although we let it go in the back part of the yard.

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering creature.
I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

--
Maggie

On 06/11/2015 7:03 PM, Muggles wrote:
....

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering creature.
I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

Possibly if it was otherwise yet cool; they are, after all, not mammalian.

If it was a garter snake it is certainly _not_ venomous and harmless;
it'll catch and dispose of rodents and the like as a side benefit...

--

On 6/11/2015 7:09 PM, dpb wrote:
On 06/11/2015 7:03 PM, Muggles wrote:
...

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering creature.
I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

Possibly if it was otherwise yet cool; they are, after all, not mammalian.

If it was a garter snake it is certainly _not_ venomous and harmless;
it'll catch and dispose of rodents and the like as a side benefit...


I hope so. The neighbor behind my house lets their yard grow up with
huge weeds by the fence between us. I guess that's why the snake showed
up because of a plentiful food supply

--
Maggie

On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 7:03:52 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
We've recently cleaned up our back yard and spread some pea gravel where
no grass will grow. It was always muddy when it would rain, so we gave
up and just weeded the sparse grass down that did come up along with any
weeds. The pea gravel looks nice in the path, but today we found a good
size garter snake right in the middle of the gravel sunning itself.
I've read they like to do that sort of thing, but now I'm not so sure if
it's such a good thing, although we let it go in the back part of the yard.

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering creature.
I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

--
Maggie

No they are not venomous...they have reverse fangs that can snag and cause bleeding. I have been bitten many times...some are aggressive if you mess with them. I don't think this will be a reoccurring problem.

On 6/11/2015 7:10 PM, bob_villa wrote:
On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 7:03:52 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
We've recently cleaned up our back yard and spread some pea gravel where
no grass will grow. It was always muddy when it would rain, so we gave
up and just weeded the sparse grass down that did come up along with any
weeds. The pea gravel looks nice in the path, but today we found a good
size garter snake right in the middle of the gravel sunning itself.
I've read they like to do that sort of thing, but now I'm not so sure if
it's such a good thing, although we let it go in the back part of the yard.

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering creature.
I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.



No they are not venomous...they have reverse fangs that can snag and cause bleeding. I have been bitten many times...some are aggressive if you mess with them. I don't think this will be a reoccurring problem.


Reverse fangs? uh I don't think I'll be picking the thing up for sure,
now.

--
Maggie

On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 7:03:52 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
We've recently cleaned up our back yard and spread some pea gravel where
no grass will grow. It was always muddy when it would rain, so we gave
up and just weeded the sparse grass down that did come up along with any
weeds. The pea gravel looks nice in the path, but today we found a good
size garter snake right in the middle of the gravel sunning itself.
I've read they like to do that sort of thing, but now I'm not so sure if
it's such a good thing, although we let it go in the back part of the yard.

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering creature.
I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

--
Maggie

I'd worry about dinosaurs sunning themselves on your pea gravel path. I hear they're quite fond of pea gravel. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Dino Monster

On 6/11/2015 7:58 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 7:03:52 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
We've recently cleaned up our back yard and spread some pea gravel where
no grass will grow. It was always muddy when it would rain, so we gave
up and just weeded the sparse grass down that did come up along with any
weeds. The pea gravel looks nice in the path, but today we found a good
size garter snake right in the middle of the gravel sunning itself.
I've read they like to do that sort of thing, but now I'm not so sure if
it's such a good thing, although we let it go in the back part of the yard.

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering creature.
I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

--
Maggie

I'd worry about dinosaurs sunning themselves on your pea gravel path. I hear they're quite fond of pea gravel. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Dino Monster


Long time ago I was dating a guy a few years older than me. He was all
strong and proud of it, too. He was helping me rake up the back yard
leaves and this night crawler came slithering out from under the leaves.
He screamed like a girl because he thought it was a snake. I thought I'd
die laughing!

--
Maggie

On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 10:02:28 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 6/11/2015 7:58 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 7:03:52 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
We've recently cleaned up our back yard and spread some pea gravel where
no grass will grow. It was always muddy when it would rain, so we gave
up and just weeded the sparse grass down that did come up along with any
weeds. The pea gravel looks nice in the path, but today we found a good
size garter snake right in the middle of the gravel sunning itself.
I've read they like to do that sort of thing, but now I'm not so sure if
it's such a good thing, although we let it go in the back part of the yard.

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering creature.
I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

--
Maggie

I'd worry about dinosaurs sunning themselves on your pea gravel path. I hear they're quite fond of pea gravel. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Dino Monster


Long time ago I was dating a guy a few years older than me. He was all
strong and proud of it, too. He was helping me rake up the back yard
leaves and this night crawler came slithering out from under the leaves.
He screamed like a girl because he thought it was a snake. I thought I'd
die laughing!

--
Maggie

I've had girlfriends who played with all kinds of critters and creepy crawlers. We'd trade them back and forth. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Critter Monster

On 6/12/2015 10:43 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 10:02:28 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 6/11/2015 7:58 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 7:03:52 PM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
We've recently cleaned up our back yard and spread some pea gravel where
no grass will grow. It was always muddy when it would rain, so we gave
up and just weeded the sparse grass down that did come up along with any
weeds. The pea gravel looks nice in the path, but today we found a good
size garter snake right in the middle of the gravel sunning itself.
I've read they like to do that sort of thing, but now I'm not so sure if
it's such a good thing, although we let it go in the back part of the yard.

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering creature.
I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

--
Maggie

I'd worry about dinosaurs sunning themselves on your pea gravel path. I hear they're quite fond of pea gravel. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Dino Monster


Long time ago I was dating a guy a few years older than me. He was all
strong and proud of it, too. He was helping me rake up the back yard
leaves and this night crawler came slithering out from under the leaves.
He screamed like a girl because he thought it was a snake. I thought I'd
die laughing!

--
Maggie

I've had girlfriends who played with all kinds of critters and creepy crawlers. We'd trade them back and forth. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Critter Monster


I hear Critter Monsters are good with critters and creepy crawlers.

--
Maggie

On 06/12/2015 09:02 PM, Muggles wrote:
Long time ago I was dating a guy a few years older than me. He was all
strong and proud of it, too. He was helping me rake up the back yard
leaves and this night crawler came slithering out from under the leaves.
He screamed like a girl because he thought it was a snake. I thought I'd
die laughing!

I'm guessing he wasn't much of a fisherman.

On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:45:30 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 06/12/2015 09:02 PM, Muggles wrote:
Long time ago I was dating a guy a few years older than me. He was all
strong and proud of it, too. He was helping me rake up the back yard
leaves and this night crawler came slithering out from under the leaves.
He screamed like a girl because he thought it was a snake. I thought I'd
die laughing!

I'm guessing he wasn't much of a fisherman.


....or very queer.

A gay prisoner once declared he was "afraid of spiders!"

Another one saw a gorilla on the tier. Staff member wore a gorilla
mask down range at count time

He was transferred to the medical prison at USP Springfield, MO, by
the psychologist. Doctors sent him back as "cured".

The mask was found in the prison sewage lift - investigated as an
elaborate prison escape plot.

Muggles " writes:

We've recently cleaned up our back yard and spread some pea gravel where
no grass will grow. It was always muddy when it would rain, so we gave
up and just weeded the sparse grass down that did come up along with any
weeds. The pea gravel looks nice in the path, but today we found a good
size garter snake right in the middle of the gravel sunning itself.
I've read they like to do that sort of thing, but now I'm not so sure if
it's such a good thing, although we let it go in the back part of the yard.

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering creature.
I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

They are not a problem.
Just saw one near my garage.
I just used a broom to send it away.

I don't know why they sometimes seek open spaces,
it's like asking to be eaten by larger birds, raccoons, cats.

--
Dan Espen

On 6/11/2015 8:45 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
Muggles " writes:

We've recently cleaned up our back yard and spread some pea gravel where
no grass will grow. It was always muddy when it would rain, so we gave
up and just weeded the sparse grass down that did come up along with any
weeds. The pea gravel looks nice in the path, but today we found a good
size garter snake right in the middle of the gravel sunning itself.
I've read they like to do that sort of thing, but now I'm not so sure if
it's such a good thing, although we let it go in the back part of the yard.

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering creature.
I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

They are not a problem.
Just saw one near my garage.
I just used a broom to send it away.

I don't know why they sometimes seek open spaces,
it's like asking to be eaten by larger birds, raccoons, cats.


right. I'll have to remember to do that. Good idea. Thanks!

--
Maggie

On 06/11/2015 06:03 PM, Muggles wrote:
I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering creature.
I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

Snakes are good luck. The bigger ones help to thin out the mouse herds.
Unless it's six feet long with rattles ignore it.

On 6/11/2015 9:12 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 06/11/2015 06:03 PM, Muggles wrote:
I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering creature.
I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

Snakes are good luck. The bigger ones help to thin out the mouse herds.
Unless it's six feet long with rattles ignore it.

This was a small snake, but it still makes me nervous. I REALLY don't
like spiders or snakes!

--
Maggie

Muggles" " xyz wrote:
We've recently cleaned up our back yard and spread some pea gravel
where no grass will grow. It was always muddy when it would rain, so
we gave
up and just weeded the sparse grass down that did come up along with
any weeds. The pea gravel looks nice in the path, but today we found
a good size garter snake right in the middle of the gravel sunning
itself.
I've read they like to do that sort of thing, but now I'm not so sure
if it's such a good thing, although we let it go in the back part of
the yard.

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering
creature. I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're
venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

Garter snakes are not venomous. In the US, there are four types of venomous
snakes...

1. rattle snake (numerous species)

2. copperhead

3. cotton mouth moccasin

4. coral snake

The first three are all pit vipers. Pit vipers have triangular shaped
heads; the iris of their eyes is a vertical slit (like cats) rather than
round. They are all easily identified by he triangular head. In addition...

Rattle snakes have the rattle

Cotton mouths have a white mouth interior; mature ones are almost black
and are chunky.

Copperheads have alternating, irregular bands of brown/reddish brown and
tan/cream. Unfortunately, so do some non-venomous snakes.

Coral snakes have alternating bands of red, yellow and black; so do some
very beneficial king snakes.You can distinguish them because the red and
yellow bands of the coral snake touch; they do not in the king snake.
Additionally, coral snakes have a black snout, kings do not.

All snakes, even the venomous ones, are beneficial. Leave them be.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 6:41:12 AM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote:

All snakes, even the venomous ones, are beneficial. Leave them be.

+1

On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 6:41:12 AM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote:
Muggles" " xyz wrote:
We've recently cleaned up our back yard and spread some pea gravel
where no grass will grow. It was always muddy when it would rain, so
we gave
up and just weeded the sparse grass down that did come up along with
any weeds. The pea gravel looks nice in the path, but today we found
a good size garter snake right in the middle of the gravel sunning
itself.
I've read they like to do that sort of thing, but now I'm not so sure
if it's such a good thing, although we let it go in the back part of
the yard.

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering
creature. I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're
venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

Garter snakes are not venomous. In the US, there are four types of venomous
snakes...

1. rattle snake (numerous species)

2. copperhead

3. cotton mouth moccasin

4. coral snake

The first three are all pit vipers. Pit vipers have triangular shaped
heads; the iris of their eyes is a vertical slit (like cats) rather than
round. They are all easily identified by he triangular head. In addition...

Rattle snakes have the rattle

Cotton mouths have a white mouth interior; mature ones are almost black
and are chunky.

Copperheads have alternating, irregular bands of brown/reddish brown and
tan/cream. Unfortunately, so do some non-venomous snakes.

Coral snakes have alternating bands of red, yellow and black; so do some
very beneficial king snakes.You can distinguish them because the red and
yellow bands of the coral snake touch; they do not in the king snake.
Additionally, coral snakes have a black snout, kings do not.

All snakes, even the venomous ones, are beneficial. Leave them be.

--
Does that include the two legged ones often involved in politics? ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Snake Monster

Uncle Monster wrote:
On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 6:41:12 AM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote:

All snakes, even the venomous ones, are beneficial. Leave them be.

--
Does that include the two legged ones often involved in politics? ^_^

No, they are (should be) KOS

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 11:44:10 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

Uncle Monster wrote:
On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 6:41:12 AM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote:

All snakes, even the venomous ones, are beneficial. Leave them be.

--
Does that include the two legged ones often involved in politics? ^_^

No, they are (should be) KOS


....or put them in a cage and sell tickets. Very entertaining.

"Oren" wrote in message news
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 11:44:10 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

Uncle Monster wrote:
On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 6:41:12 AM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote:

All snakes, even the venomous ones, are beneficial. Leave them be.

--
Does that include the two legged ones often involved in politics? ^_^

No, they are (should be) KOS


....or put them in a cage and sell tickets. Very entertaining.

O yah that would be "VERY ENTERTAINING"

dadiOH wrote:
Muggles" " xyz wrote:
We've recently cleaned up our back yard and spread some pea gravel
where no grass will grow. It was always muddy when it would rain, so
we gave
up and just weeded the sparse grass down that did come up along with
any weeds. The pea gravel looks nice in the path, but today we found
a good size garter snake right in the middle of the gravel sunning
itself.
I've read they like to do that sort of thing, but now I'm not so sure
if it's such a good thing, although we let it go in the back part of
the yard.

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering
creature. I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're
venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are
they ok and mind their own business.

Garter snakes are not venomous. In the US, there are four types of
venomous snakes...

1. rattle snake (numerous species)

2. copperhead

3. cotton mouth moccasin

4. coral snake

The first three are all pit vipers. Pit vipers have triangular shaped
heads; the iris of their eyes is a vertical slit (like cats) rather
than round. They are all easily identified by he triangular head. In
addition...
Rattle snakes have the rattle

Cotton mouths have a white mouth interior; mature ones are almost
black and are chunky.

Copperheads have alternating, irregular bands of brown/reddish
brown and tan/cream. Unfortunately, so do some non-venomous snakes.

Coral snakes have alternating bands of red, yellow and black; so do
some very beneficial king snakes.You can distinguish them because the
red and yellow bands of the coral snake touch; they do not in the
king snake. Additionally, coral snakes have a black snout, kings do
not.
All snakes, even the venomous ones, are beneficial. Leave them be.

A venomous snake out in the woods is one thing ... a venomous snake in the
yard where my grandchildren are playing is another . There is an overgrown
empty lot next door to our house in Memphis . Our son and his family live in
that house . Last trip to Memphis , one of their cats was bitten by a
venomous snake RIGHT NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY WHERE THE KIDS WERE PLAYING . That
cat died in less than a minute , it was struck in the neck . Evidence was
found close by of a nest with opened eggs , probably copperheads . A young
copperhead was killed a couple of houses down just days before this happened
.. Now then , since all snakes are beneficial , should we just let them be
and risk one of the neighborhood kids getting struck and maybe die ?
I think not .
--
Snag

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:05:46 -0500, "Terry Coombs"
wrote:

All snakes, even the venomous ones, are beneficial. Leave them be.

A venomous snake out in the woods is one thing ... a venomous snake in the
yard where my grandchildren are playing is another . There is an overgrown
empty lot next door to our house in Memphis . Our son and his family live in
that house . Last trip to Memphis , one of their cats was bitten by a
venomous snake RIGHT NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY WHERE THE KIDS WERE PLAYING . That
cat died in less than a minute , it was struck in the neck . Evidence was
found close by of a nest with opened eggs , probably copperheads . A young
copperhead was killed a couple of houses down just days before this happened
. Now then , since all snakes are beneficial , should we just let them be
and risk one of the neighborhood kids getting struck and maybe die ?
I think not .

I agree. I've had a coiled cotton mouth near my face, ready to strike
- 30.06 fixed him. Former BIL was struck by a diamond back while we
were hunting - shot dead. I have a healthy fear of poisonous snakes,
but I will not let them threaten me without them getting the
consequences.

On 6/12/2015 10:16 AM, Oren wrote:


Former BIL was struck by a diamond back while we
were hunting - shot dead.



Incredible. Snakes should not be allowed to have guns for exactly that
reason.

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 11:31:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 6/12/2015 10:16 AM, Oren wrote:


Former BIL was struck by a diamond back while we
were hunting - shot dead.



Incredible. Snakes should not be allowed to have guns for exactly that
reason.

You are on a roll today, Ed. I was still having coffee

A venomous snake out in the woods is one thing ... a venomous snake in the
yard where my grandchildren are playing is another . There is an overgrown
empty lot next door to our house in Memphis . Our son and his family live in
that house . Last trip to Memphis , one of their cats was bitten by a
venomous snake RIGHT NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY WHERE THE KIDS WERE PLAYING . That
cat died in less than a minute , it was struck in the neck . Evidence was
found close by of a nest with opened eggs , probably copperheads . A young
copperhead was killed a couple of houses down just days before this happened
. Now then , since all snakes are beneficial , should we just let them be
and risk one of the neighborhood kids getting struck and maybe die ?
I think not .
--
Snag

why not carefully claen up the vacant lot next door, and cut the grass occasionally.

just a bit of work can beautify the neighborhood and help make it safer too

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 11:47:55 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:


A venomous snake out in the woods is one thing ... a venomous snake in the
yard where my grandchildren are playing is another . There is an overgrown
empty lot next door to our house in Memphis . Our son and his family live in
that house . Last trip to Memphis , one of their cats was bitten by a
venomous snake RIGHT NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY WHERE THE KIDS WERE PLAYING . That
cat died in less than a minute , it was struck in the neck . Evidence was
found close by of a nest with opened eggs , probably copperheads . A young
copperhead was killed a couple of houses down just days before this happened
. Now then , since all snakes are beneficial , should we just let them be
and risk one of the neighborhood kids getting struck and maybe die ?
I think not .
--
Snag

why not carefully claen up the vacant lot next door, and cut the grass occasionally.

just a bit of work can beautify the neighborhood and help make it safer too

Mowers kill snakes. Maybe you have not seen or experienced it? Why
would Snag clean a lot not belonging to him? The EPA may get on your
case in a protected area. What if it caused frogs to die?

On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
A venomous snake out in the woods is one thing ... a venomous snake in the
yard where my grandchildren are playing is another . There is an overgrown
empty lot next door to our house in Memphis . Our son and his family live in
that house . Last trip to Memphis , one of their cats was bitten by a
venomous snake RIGHT NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY WHERE THE KIDS WERE PLAYING . That
cat died in less than a minute , it was struck in the neck . Evidence was
found close by of a nest with opened eggs , probably copperheads . A young
copperhead was killed a couple of houses down just days before this happened
. Now then , since all snakes are beneficial , should we just let them be
and risk one of the neighborhood kids getting struck and maybe die ?
I think not .
--
Snag

why not carefully claen up the vacant lot next door, and cut the grass occasionally.

just a bit of work can beautify the neighborhood and help make it safer too

No good deed goes unpunished. The cops would probably show up and arrest him for trespassing. A better solution is what we do around here when there is an overgrown empty lot. Call the city and city workers will clean it up and the city will bill the owner and if the owner doesn't pay, the city condemns and seizes the property. Of course you will never see a junked up overgrown empty lot in an upper class neighborhood. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Junk Monster

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 12:32:28 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

why not carefully claen up the vacant lot next door, and cut the grass occasionally.

just a bit of work can beautify the neighborhood and help make it safer too

No good deed goes unpunished. The cops would probably show up and arrest him for trespassing. A better solution is what we do around here when there is an overgrown empty lot. Call the city and city workers will clean it up and the city will bill the owner and if the owner doesn't pay, the city condemns and seizes the property. Of course you will never see a junked up overgrown empty lot in an upper class neighborhood. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Junk Monster

A man in Texas just died from a swarm of bee stings after he cut the
neighbor's lawn, as a good intended act.

_White House eyes plan to diversify wealthy neighborhoods_

Jun. 12, 2015 - 7:23 - Critics call proposed HUD plan to use federal
grants to encourage low income housing in wealthy areas an example of
massive government overreach.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4292408954001/white-house-eyes-plan-to-diversify-wealthy-neighborhoods/?playlist_id=928378949001#sp=show-clips

https://tinyurl.com/oo2z7xj

Can I have chicken coops and a dozen pigs on my lot?

Uncle Monster wrote:
On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 1:47:58 PM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
A venomous snake out in the woods is one thing ... a venomous
snake in the yard where my grandchildren are playing is another .
There is an overgrown empty lot next door to our house in Memphis .
Our son and his family live in that house . Last trip to Memphis ,
one of their cats was bitten by a venomous snake RIGHT NEXT TO THE
DRIVEWAY WHERE THE KIDS WERE PLAYING . That cat died in less than a
minute , it was struck in the neck . Evidence was found close by of
a nest with opened eggs , probably copperheads . A young copperhead
was killed a couple of houses down just days before this happened .
Now then , since all snakes are beneficial , should we just let
them be and risk one of the neighborhood kids getting struck and
maybe die ? I think not . --
Snag

why not carefully claen up the vacant lot next door, and cut the
grass occasionally.

just a bit of work can beautify the neighborhood and help make it
safer too

No good deed goes unpunished. The cops would probably show up and
arrest him for trespassing. A better solution is what we do around
here when there is an overgrown empty lot. Call the city and city
workers will clean it up and the city will bill the owner and if the
owner doesn't pay, the city condemns and seizes the property. Of
course you will never see a junked up overgrown empty lot in an upper
class neighborhood. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Junk Monster

The city has cleaned up the lot and billed the owner . He ain't happy . No
way I'd get involved in that , though the city offered my son (who lives in
my house - I live 175 miles away in Arkansas) a contract to do the mowing .
He wisely (IMO) declined . The owner bought that lot for back taxes in
anticipation of building on it and turning a profit - which ain't happenin'
in that neighborhood at this time . One more example of the gov't stepping
in and "helping" by offering property owners a big fat section 8 check to
rent to "minorities" .

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Snag

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:41:00 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

Muggles" " xyz wrote:
We've recently cleaned up our back yard and spread some pea gravel
where no grass will grow. It was always muddy when it would rain, so
we gave
up and just weeded the sparse grass down that did come up along with
any weeds. The pea gravel looks nice in the path, but today we found
a good size garter snake right in the middle of the gravel sunning
itself.
I've read they like to do that sort of thing, but now I'm not so sure
if it's such a good thing, although we let it go in the back part of
the yard.

I'm wondering if the warm pea gravel attracted the slithering
creature. I've read conflicting information on whether or not they're
venomous.
Has anyone had problems with such snakes causing problems, or are they
ok and mind their own business.

Garter snakes are not venomous. In the US, there are four types of venomous
snakes...

1. rattle snake (numerous species)

2. copperhead

3. cotton mouth moccasin

4. coral snake

The first three are all pit vipers. Pit vipers have triangular shaped
heads; the iris of their eyes is a vertical slit (like cats) rather than
round. They are all easily identified by he triangular head. In addition...

Rattle snakes have the rattle

Cotton mouths have a white mouth interior; mature ones are almost black
and are chunky.

Copperheads have alternating, irregular bands of brown/reddish brown and
tan/cream. Unfortunately, so do some non-venomous snakes.

Coral snakes have alternating bands of red, yellow and black; so do some
very beneficial king snakes.You can distinguish them because the red and
yellow bands of the coral snake touch; they do not in the king snake.
Additionally, coral snakes have a black snout, kings do not.

All snakes, even the venomous ones, are beneficial. Leave them be.

Be aware that any breed of snake will rattle it
tail when upset. Oh, BTW, pygmy rattlesnakes are
near the same size as a garter snake, but near
invisible on a brown dirt or old leaf background.
The pygmy rattlesnake does not have real rattles
but does have sharp teeth.

replying to Muggles, Snakeinthefire wrote:
Garter snakes are non venemous and serve a valuable function of insect and
rodent control! In fact most snakes are non venemous! Learn how to is the
dangerous snakes in your zone and live in harmony with all of them and stop
watching so much fear mongering television!

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 18:14:02 GMT, Snakeinthefire
m wrote:

replying to Muggles, Snakeinthefire wrote:
Garter snakes are non venemous and serve a valuable function of insect and
rodent control! In fact most snakes are non venemous! Learn how to is the
dangerous snakes in your zone and live in harmony with all of them and stop
watching so much fear mongering television!

Nevada has five types of rattle snakes. Those vipers will kill you.

It is fact and not fear.

On 8/27/2017 2:23 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 18:14:02 GMT, Snakeinthefire
m wrote:

replying to Muggles, Snakeinthefire wrote:
Garter snakes are non venemous and serve a valuable function of insect and
rodent control! In fact most snakes are non venemous! Learn how to is the
dangerous snakes in your zone and live in harmony with all of them and stop
watching so much fear mongering television!
Nevada has five types of rattle snakes. Those vipers will kill you.

It is fact and not fear.

Â* We only have two kinds ... but we also have copperheads , coral
snakes , and water moccasins . And they're all safe on our place as long
as they stay in their place - which is out in the woods . If I catch a
poisonous snake in an area that we frequent , I'll kill it . I don't
relocate because I don't want to get bit . Might be different if I had
the tools , but since I don't I ain't getting that close . A hoe with a
5 foot handle is perfect .

Â* --

Â* Snag

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 14:37:57 -0500, Terry Coombs
wrote:

On 8/27/2017 2:23 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 18:14:02 GMT, Snakeinthefire
m wrote:

replying to Muggles, Snakeinthefire wrote:
Garter snakes are non venemous and serve a valuable function of insect and
rodent control! In fact most snakes are non venemous! Learn how to is the
dangerous snakes in your zone and live in harmony with all of them and stop
watching so much fear mongering television!
Nevada has five types of rattle snakes. Those vipers will kill you.

It is fact and not fear.

* We only have two kinds ... but we also have copperheads , coral
snakes , and water moccasins . And they're all safe on our place as long
as they stay in their place - which is out in the woods . If I catch a
poisonous snake in an area that we frequent , I'll kill it . I don't
relocate because I don't want to get bit . Might be different if I had
the tools , but since I don't I ain't getting that close . A hoe with a
5 foot handle is perfect .

* --

* Snag
Massasauga rattlers are about the only venomous snakes I might
encounter within 100 miles of home - The only dangerous snake native
to Ontario - and a "protected species"

Not like my time in Zambia where Pit Vipers, Maambas, Boomslang,
Cobras, Puff adders, Night Adders, Gabboon Vipers, and Twig Snakes
could all give you a "bad day" - and most were killed on sight by the
locals if in settled areas.