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Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool
multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says you're only supposed to turn them in one direction otherwise it will screw up the spider gasket that's at the bottom of the valve. But I don't see how that can happen. The valve uses a spring to push the disc inside down onto that spider gasket/seal. To move the valve, you push the handle down, which moves the disk up so you can rotate it. At that point, nothing is even touching the gasket/seal, so I don't see how which direction you turn it matters. I do see how if you try to turn it without pressing the handle all the way down, that would rub against the gasket and could dislodge it, screw it up, etc. I've also seen threads about this online, with some alleged pool experts also giving the "only turn it one way" advice. But the manual for the valve says nothing. Nor is there any arrow or indication of this issue on the valve itself. Here's it the type of valve: http://i45.tinypic.com/5xr582.jpg |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Mon, 25 May 2015 07:38:36 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says you're only supposed to turn them in one direction otherwise it will screw up the spider gasket that's at the bottom of the valve. But I don't see how that can happen. The valve uses a spring to push the disc inside down onto that spider gasket/seal. To move the valve, you push the handle down, which moves the disk up so you can rotate it. At that point, nothing is even touching the gasket/seal, so I don't see how which direction you turn it matters. I do see how if you try to turn it without pressing the handle all the way down, that would rub against the gasket and could dislodge it, screw it up, etc. I've also seen threads about this online, with some alleged pool experts also giving the "only turn it one way" advice. But the manual for the valve says nothing. Nor is there any arrow or indication of this issue on the valve itself. Here's it the type of valve: http://i45.tinypic.com/5xr582.jpg I've not had that type valve. Seems to me it would be okay to turn in either direction. I mean why turn from backwash to close by turning all the way around (left) in one direction when you can change to close with a simple move to the right? |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says... Frankly, I'm surprised you HAVE any friends...and since when do you need validation? |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote: Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says... Frankly, I'm surprised you HAVE any friends...and since when do you need validation? Another clear indication of who it is that's intolerant and turns valid threads into insults. |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2015 07:38:36 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says you're only supposed to turn them in one direction otherwise it will screw up the spider gasket that's at the bottom of the valve. But I don't see how that can happen. The valve uses a spring to push the disc inside down onto that spider gasket/seal. To move the valve, you push the handle down, which moves the disk up so you can rotate it. At that point, nothing is even touching the gasket/seal, so I don't see how which direction you turn it matters. I do see how if you try to turn it without pressing the handle all the way down, that would rub against the gasket and could dislodge it, screw it up, etc. I've also seen threads about this online, with some alleged pool experts also giving the "only turn it one way" advice. But the manual for the valve says nothing. Nor is there any arrow or indication of this issue on the valve itself. Here's it the type of valve: http://i45.tinypic.com/5xr582.jpg I've not had that type valve. Seems to me it would be okay to turn in either direction. I mean why turn from backwash to close by turning all the way around (left) in one direction when you can change to close with a simple move to the right? The theory from the believers is that the spider gasket at the bottom doesn't like getting rubbed both ways..... But like I said, when you push the handle down, it lifts the plate gizmo completely off the seal, by probably 1/4" so I don't see how it can happen. Here's a diagram of the valve: http://www.poolcenter.com/images/PC_...ts_SP_0598.jpg The gasket/seal is #11, the plate that presses down on it is #10. The plate has a spring that pushes it against the seal. When you push the handle down to move it, it pulls the plate up off the seal, compressing the spring. |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Mon, 25 May 2015 08:08:37 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-4, Oren wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2015 07:38:36 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says you're only supposed to turn them in one direction otherwise it will screw up the spider gasket that's at the bottom of the valve. But I don't see how that can happen. The valve uses a spring to push the disc inside down onto that spider gasket/seal. To move the valve, you push the handle down, which moves the disk up so you can rotate it. At that point, nothing is even touching the gasket/seal, so I don't see how which direction you turn it matters. I do see how if you try to turn it without pressing the handle all the way down, that would rub against the gasket and could dislodge it, screw it up, etc. I've also seen threads about this online, with some alleged pool experts also giving the "only turn it one way" advice. But the manual for the valve says nothing. Nor is there any arrow or indication of this issue on the valve itself. Here's it the type of valve: http://i45.tinypic.com/5xr582.jpg I've not had that type valve. Seems to me it would be okay to turn in either direction. I mean why turn from backwash to close by turning all the way around (left) in one direction when you can change to close with a simple move to the right? The theory from the believers is that the spider gasket at the bottom doesn't like getting rubbed both ways..... But like I said, when you push the handle down, it lifts the plate gizmo completely off the seal, by probably 1/4" so I don't see how it can happen. Here's a diagram of the valve: http://www.poolcenter.com/images/PC_...ts_SP_0598.jpg The gasket/seal is #11, the plate that presses down on it is #10. The plate has a spring that pushes it against the seal. When you push the handle down to move it, it pulls the plate up off the seal, compressing the spring. SWAG is the "believers" have read to much into the operation of the valve. If it was intended to operate in one direction - there would some type of stop to prevent both directions, no? If 10 is clearing 11, it can't rub, best I can tell. |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:02:02 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote: Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says... Frankly, I'm surprised you HAVE any friends...and since when do you need validation? Another clear indication of who it is that's intolerant and turns valid threads into insults. You clearly have a problem, like your roof vent tirade with micky...think about how this goes over with the people around you? May be it's time to seek help? |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:51:34 AM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2015 08:08:37 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:51:55 AM UTC-4, Oren wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2015 07:38:36 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says you're only supposed to turn them in one direction otherwise it will screw up the spider gasket that's at the bottom of the valve. But I don't see how that can happen. The valve uses a spring to push the disc inside down onto that spider gasket/seal. To move the valve, you push the handle down, which moves the disk up so you can rotate it. At that point, nothing is even touching the gasket/seal, so I don't see how which direction you turn it matters. I do see how if you try to turn it without pressing the handle all the way down, that would rub against the gasket and could dislodge it, screw it up, etc. I've also seen threads about this online, with some alleged pool experts also giving the "only turn it one way" advice. But the manual for the valve says nothing. Nor is there any arrow or indication of this issue on the valve itself. Here's it the type of valve: http://i45.tinypic.com/5xr582.jpg I've not had that type valve. Seems to me it would be okay to turn in either direction. I mean why turn from backwash to close by turning all the way around (left) in one direction when you can change to close with a simple move to the right? The theory from the believers is that the spider gasket at the bottom doesn't like getting rubbed both ways..... But like I said, when you push the handle down, it lifts the plate gizmo completely off the seal, by probably 1/4" so I don't see how it can happen. Here's a diagram of the valve: http://www.poolcenter.com/images/PC_...ts_SP_0598.jpg The gasket/seal is #11, the plate that presses down on it is #10. The plate has a spring that pushes it against the seal. When you push the handle down to move it, it pulls the plate up off the seal, compressing the spring. SWAG is the "believers" have read to much into the operation of the valve. If it was intended to operate in one direction - there would some type of stop to prevent both directions, no? Or at least an arrow on the top, with "turn this way only". |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 12:05:10 PM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:02:02 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote: Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says... Frankly, I'm surprised you HAVE any friends...and since when do you need validation? Another clear indication of who it is that's intolerant and turns valid threads into insults. You clearly have a problem, like your roof vent tirade with micky...think about how this goes over with the people around you? May be it's time to seek help? I have a problem? I posted a legitimate question here. YOU came in here, didn't post anything to do with the question and instead started a personal attack. That's because you obviously don't know anything about pool valves or anything else. As for the Micky thing, no tirade, just asked for a link to his ridge vent product that has the impossible characteristics he listed, that's all. You're just sore because whenever anyone ask you to back up anything here, you can't and you wind up embarrassing yourself. Again, just the facts. |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
"trader_4" wrote in message
... Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says you're only supposed to turn them in one direction otherwise it will screw up the spider gasket that's at the bottom of the valve. But I don't see how that can happen. What did the pool store (or manufacturer) say when you asked? -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 1:59:30 PM UTC-4, Don Phillipson wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message ... Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says you're only supposed to turn them in one direction otherwise it will screw up the spider gasket that's at the bottom of the valve. But I don't see how that can happen. What did the pool store (or manufacturer) say when you asked? -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) As I stated in my original post, nothing in the manufacturer's manual. Pool stores, in my experience are full of BS, unless you think a pimple faced summer HS student is an expert. Thanks for the usual, what does the MF say stuff. And I gather, like some others here, you don't even know WTG this valve is,] do you? |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:18:26 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 12:05:10 PM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:02:02 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote: Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says... Frankly, I'm surprised you HAVE any friends...and since when do you need validation? Another clear indication of who it is that's intolerant and turns valid threads into insults. You clearly have a problem, like your roof vent tirade with micky...think about how this goes over with the people around you? May be it's time to seek help? I have a problem? I posted a legitimate question here. YOU came in here, didn't post anything to do with the question and instead started a personal attack. That's because you obviously don't know anything about pool valves or anything else. As for the Micky thing, no tirade, just asked for a link to his ridge vent product that has the impossible characteristics he listed, that's all. You're just sore because whenever anyone ask you to back up anything here, you can't and you wind up embarrassing yourself. Again, just the facts. My advice to you (if you have sense enough) would be to leave this friend do what he has been doing (successfully) since this was how he learned to do it. You know the answer already to your own question...so there is no need to ask it here. Again...just the facts. |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 3:52:22 PM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:18:26 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 12:05:10 PM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:02:02 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote: Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says... Frankly, I'm surprised you HAVE any friends...and since when do you need validation? Another clear indication of who it is that's intolerant and turns valid threads into insults. You clearly have a problem, like your roof vent tirade with micky...think about how this goes over with the people around you? May be it's time to seek help? I have a problem? I posted a legitimate question here. YOU came in here, didn't post anything to do with the question and instead started a personal attack. That's because you obviously don't know anything about pool valves or anything else. As for the Micky thing, no tirade, just asked for a link to his ridge vent product that has the impossible characteristics he listed, that's all. You're just sore because whenever anyone ask you to back up anything here, you can't and you wind up embarrassing yourself. Again, just the facts. My advice to you (if you have sense enough) would be to leave this friend do what he has been doing (successfully) since this was how he learned to do it. You know the answer already to your own question...so there is no need to ask it here. Again...just the facts. Again, you don't know the subject material, so why make an ass of yourself? I know. That's what you libs like to do. |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
The only time you do not want to turn a multiport pool valve
in either direction is when the PUMP IS ON. I made that mistake 4 years ago, replaced the whole Hayward head, and never repeated it. Other than that, it's just like a TV tuner knob - can be turned either way. |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
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Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
Oren:
(Kmanrocks puts on his best full metal jacket)... PRIVATE PYLE, YOU JUST LIKE TO BE DIFFERENT!!! The instruction manual for the Haywards, at least, says that DAMAGE CAN RESULT from moving the valve selector while the pump is ON, under pressure of water passing through it. Why do IDIOTS always have to challenge and refute everything I say on Usenet?? |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 4:30:55 PM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
Again, you don't know the subject material, so why make an ass of yourself? I know. That's what you libs like to do. Why would I need to know...I'm giving YOU advice though? You won't take it and you don't like it, but it is advice! And then it goes political, because you know I have a point. |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
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Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On 5/25/2015 5:30 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 3:52:22 PM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:18:26 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 12:05:10 PM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:02:02 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:56:40 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote: Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says... | | | | [christmas presents] |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
Oren:
How about just taking my word for it? I f___d it up changing modes while the motor was running, despite labeling to the contrary. Your particular brand may allow mode changes while pump is running. I was just giving general advice. I don't make this stuff up, especially considering the orig. poster is looking for advice. Do I look like I have FOX NEWS' logo on my forehead?! |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On 5/25/2015 9:38 AM, trader_4 wrote:
Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says you're only supposed to turn them in one direction otherwise it will screw up the spider gasket that's at the bottom of the valve. But I don't see how that can happen. The valve uses a spring to push the disc inside down onto that spider gasket/seal. To move the valve, you push the handle down, which moves the disk up so you can rotate it. At that point, nothing is even touching the gasket/seal, so I don't see how which direction you turn it matters. I do see how if you try to turn it without pressing the handle all the way down, that would rub against the gasket and could dislodge it, screw it up, etc. I've also seen threads about this online, with some alleged pool experts also giving the "only turn it one way" advice. But the manual for the valve says nothing. Nor is there any arrow or indication of this issue on the valve itself. Here's it the type of valve: http://i45.tinypic.com/5xr582.jpg Last time I replaced mine the pool guy at our local pool store said to only turn one way. He's always given me good advice. I admit that it doesn't seem to matter but it may have something to do with not pushing the handle all the way down when twisting. I replaced mine Nov 2013 and I'm not having any spider gasket issues. As I recall there is a ridge that can get worn fairly easily. You can see the ridge here http://www.inyopools.com/howtoimages...g&maxwidth=800 |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Mon, 25 May 2015 19:32:00 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: I just got back from a Memorial Day picnic. Wearing my seat belt, driving my state inspected vehicle, under the speed limit, and sober. With two license plates, inspection sticker, registration sticker in the windshield, after eating USFDA inspected and approved hot dogs, drinking chlorinated water, and associating with people in ATF approved religion. I wore inspected and safety insured clothes made in union shops, and didn't display any type of weapon openly (much less a firearm). That was just funny to read! -- rebel |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On 5/26/2015 12:41 AM, rebel wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2015 19:32:00 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote: I just got back from a Memorial Day picnic. Wearing my seat belt, driving my state inspected vehicle, under the speed limit, and sober. With two license plates, inspection sticker, registration sticker in the windshield, after eating USFDA inspected and approved hot dogs, drinking chlorinated water, and associating with people in ATF approved religion. I wore inspected and safety insured clothes made in union shops, and didn't display any type of weapon openly (much less a firearm). That was just funny to read! I'd have called it kind of tragedy comedy. This message approved by NSA. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 8:49:24 PM UTC-4, gonjah wrote:
On 5/25/2015 9:38 AM, trader_4 wrote: Here's a question for those of you with experience with a pool multi-port valve. I've been having a debate with a friend who says you're only supposed to turn them in one direction otherwise it will screw up the spider gasket that's at the bottom of the valve. But I don't see how that can happen. The valve uses a spring to push the disc inside down onto that spider gasket/seal. To move the valve, you push the handle down, which moves the disk up so you can rotate it. At that point, nothing is even touching the gasket/seal, so I don't see how which direction you turn it matters. I do see how if you try to turn it without pressing the handle all the way down, that would rub against the gasket and could dislodge it, screw it up, etc. I've also seen threads about this online, with some alleged pool experts also giving the "only turn it one way" advice. But the manual for the valve says nothing. Nor is there any arrow or indication of this issue on the valve itself. Here's it the type of valve: http://i45.tinypic.com/5xr582.jpg Last time I replaced mine the pool guy at our local pool store said to only turn one way. He's always given me good advice. I admit that it doesn't seem to matter but it may have something to do with not pushing the handle all the way down when twisting. I replaced mine Nov 2013 and I'm not having any spider gasket issues. As I recall there is a ridge that can get worn fairly easily. You can see the ridge here http://www.inyopools.com/howtoimages...g&maxwidth=800 I replaced the spider seal here about 2 years ago, I think. This time it's the shaft seal that has a slow leak. When the pump shuts off, you can hear air going in and over hours, the filter tank winds up draining back into the pool. I have a seal kit coming. I agree that not pushing the handle all the way down could be a problem. Some of those gaskets apparently aren't even glued in. If the plate is still against it, not only would it wear it, but could also pull it out of the gap it sits in. |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 5:52:31 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2015 14:42:42 -0700 (PDT), wrote: The only time you do not want to turn a multiport pool valve in either direction is when the PUMP IS ON. I manually turn Jandy valves all the time while the pump is on. I can purge air from the skimmer line or the cleaner side port line in the pool. One Jandy has a actuator that turns on the solar panels when temps fall below the settings. I made that mistake 4 years ago, replaced the whole Hayward head, and never repeated it. hmm? Other than that, it's just like a TV tuner knob - can be turned either way. Jandy is a different design - more like a ball valve (using a cylinder instead of a ball) and meant to function under pressure. It seals radially unlike the multi-ports which seal axially via the spider/wagon wheel gasket. |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:35:05 -0700 (PDT), PatOne
wrote: On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 5:52:31 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2015 14:42:42 -0700 (PDT), wrote: The only time you do not want to turn a multiport pool valve in either direction is when the PUMP IS ON. I manually turn Jandy valves all the time while the pump is on. I can purge air from the skimmer line or the cleaner side port line in the pool. One Jandy has a actuator that turns on the solar panels when temps fall below the settings. I made that mistake 4 years ago, replaced the whole Hayward head, and never repeated it. hmm? Other than that, it's just like a TV tuner knob - can be turned either way. Jandy is a different design - more like a ball valve (using a cylinder instead of a ball) and meant to function under pressure. It seals radially unlike the multi-ports which seal axially via the spider/wagon wheel gasket. Jandy multi port valves have a "defuser" sp?, turned one way it shuts water flow off for that line. Same when turned the other direction. It isn't a "ball valve". Sample; #9 is the defuser. http://www.discountpoolzone.com/multiports/jandypic.gif Ball valves work differently. |
Pool multi-port valve, turn handle in one direction?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 4:01:59 PM UTC-6, wrote:
Oren: (Kmanrocks puts on his best full metal jacket)... PRIVATE PYLE, YOU JUST LIKE TO BE DIFFERENT!!! The instruction manual for the Haywards, at least, says that DAMAGE CAN RESULT from moving the valve selector while the pump is ON, under pressure of water passing through it. Why do IDIOTS always have to challenge and refute everything I say on Usenet?? The term "full metal jacket" refers to a bullet's casing. It has nothing to do with the guy's jacket. (lol) |
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