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Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
Anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight? They has a segment about the laminate
flooring that Lumber Liquidators is having made at three plants in China. It can be made 10% to 15% cheaper if you put in excessive formaldehyde. It exceeds California limits as much as 20X. The factories are putting the CARB 2 labels on but they say it is not compliant. The LL CEO, of course, said he did not know anything about it and will investigate. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
| Anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight? They has a segment about the laminate
| flooring that Lumber Liquidators is having made at three plants in | China. It can be made 10% to 15% cheaper if you put in excessive | formaldehyde. It exceeds California limits as much as 20X. | I saw that. Very interesting. I had thought that formaldehyde was banned years ago. I know that I haven't seen urea/formaldehyde glue for sale for many years. So I was surprised that any use of formaldehyde was legal. It's a known carcinogen. That makes me wonder, now, about spray insulation. Spray foam was popular years ago. Then it turned out that if offgassed formaldehyde *and* turned to dust after a few years. Now a similar product is back in fashion for use in new construction. I wonder whether the new stuff is really any better than the old stuff. Interesting side note: I've had trouble with toenail fungus on one foot. One treatment is to put urea solution on the nail until it falls off. I used to have a pint-size can of urea crystals from urea-formaldehyde glue that I'd bought years ago at the Woodworkers store. CVS wanted $80 for a tiny bottle of urea solution -- a common industrial and agricultural chemical! So I went looking for my can of urea, but apparently I threw it out years ago. By CVS standards that can would probably be worth over $20,000. :) |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
Mayayana wrote:
| Anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight? They has a segment about the laminate | flooring that Lumber Liquidators is having made at three plants in | China. It can be made 10% to 15% cheaper if you put in excessive | formaldehyde. It exceeds California limits as much as 20X. | I saw that. Very interesting. I had thought that formaldehyde was banned years ago. I know that I haven't seen urea/formaldehyde glue for sale for many years. So I was surprised that any use of formaldehyde was legal. It's a known carcinogen. That makes me wonder, now, about spray insulation. Spray foam was popular years ago. Then it turned out that if offgassed formaldehyde *and* turned to dust after a few years. Now a similar product is back in fashion for use in new construction. I wonder whether the new stuff is really any better than the old stuff. Interesting side note: I've had trouble with toenail fungus on one foot. One treatment is to put urea solution on the nail until it falls off. I used to have a pint-size can of urea crystals from urea-formaldehyde glue that I'd bought years ago at the Woodworkers store. CVS wanted $80 for a tiny bottle of urea solution -- a common industrial and agricultural chemical! So I went looking for my can of urea, but apparently I threw it out years ago. By CVS standards that can would probably be worth over $20,000. :) Hi, Toenail fungus? If you still have it, go to a local health food store, look for a nail solution made by Thursday Plantation of Australia. It is a formula based on Tea tree oil which works very well. Proven by pedicurists. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On 03/02/2015 02:04 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight? They has a segment about the laminate flooring that Lumber Liquidators is having made at three plants in China. It can be made 10% to 15% cheaper if you put in excessive formaldehyde. It exceeds California limits as much as 20X. The factories are putting the CARB 2 labels on but they say it is not compliant. The LL CEO, of course, said he did not know anything about it and will investigate. Yah, Liquid Lumberdators double-checks their suppliers for safety and CARB compliance. Not to worry though, Monday morning the greedy chief asshole from Liquid Lumberdators is going to triple check their suppliers. This won't happen again because Liquid Lumberdators cares about your safety. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! And for those that missed 60 Minutes, CBS has it he http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-st...s-larry-david/ |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On 03/02/2015 02:26 AM, Mayayana wrote:
Interesting side note: I've had trouble with toenail fungus on one foot. One treatment is to put urea solution on the nail until it falls off. Buy some Liquid Lumberdator flooring and walk on it with your bare feet? |
Lumber and now... toe nail fungus
On 3/1/2015 9:26 PM, Mayayana wrote:
Interesting side note: I've had trouble with toenail fungus on one foot. One treatment is to put urea solution on the nail until it falls off. I used to have a pint-size can of urea crystals from urea-formaldehyde glue that I'd bought years ago at the Woodworkers store. CVS wanted $80 for a tiny bottle of urea solution -- a common industrial and agricultural chemical! So I went looking for my can of urea, but apparently I threw it out years ago. By CVS standards that can would probably be worth over $20,000. :) Product called tea tree cream (the oil might work also) is supposed to help. Needs to be applied and then covered with a bandage each day until the infected nail grows out. Might take a few months. My old podiatrist used to say hot water soak with some vinegar in the water. That helped loosen the dried skin. Not sure if it helped with fungus. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Lumber and tea tree
On 3/1/2015 10:39 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Mayayana wrote: Interesting side note: I've had trouble with toenail fungus on one foot. One treatment is to put urea solution on the nail until it falls off. I used to have Hi, Toenail fungus? If you still have it, go to a local health food store, look for a nail solution made by Thursday Plantation of Australia. It is a formula based on Tea tree oil which works very well. Proven by pedicurists. Now that you have read everything before doing anything, put your name on the top of this page and hand it in to the teacher. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
tea tree oil uses
On 3/1/2015 10:39 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Hi, Toenail fungus? If you still have it, go to a local health food store, look for a nail solution made by Thursday Plantation of Australia. It is a formula based on Tea tree oil which works very well. Proven by pedicurists. Also appears to be the ingredient in Walgreens skin tag remover. I had one on my neck, the tag remover did the job, fell off in about two weeks. Much cheaper than whatever the $$dermatologi$t$$ would have charged. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 21:04:20 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight? They has a segment about the laminate flooring that Lumber Liquidators is having made at three plants in China. It can be made 10% to 15% cheaper if you put in excessive formaldehyde. It exceeds California limits as much as 20X. The factories are putting the CARB 2 labels on but they say it is not compliant. The LL CEO, of course, said he did not know anything about it and will investigate. I caught it last night and thought it was interesting. Typical sleazy corporation trying to save a buck or two at the expense of peoples safety. You could totally tell the CEO was lying when they showed him the Chinese factory footage. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On 3/1/2015 9:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight? They has a segment about the laminate flooring that Lumber Liquidators is having made at three plants in China. It can be made 10% to 15% cheaper if you put in excessive formaldehyde. It exceeds California limits as much as 20X. The factories are putting the CARB 2 labels on but they say it is not compliant. The LL CEO, of course, said he did not know anything about it and will investigate. I saw it too and question in my mind was that, while it fails California standard, what about US standards? I know on CA prop 65 that their no significant risk limits are far tighter than those used by OSHA. Sixty Minutes had boards tested out of state to prove tests were correct but did not say if other state where they were tested would have failed them. CA was also just testing the boards where I would expect the EPA to sample the indoor air. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
| Toenail fungus? If you still have it, go to a local health food store, | look for a nail solution made by Thursday Plantation of Australia. | It is a formula based on Tea tree oil which works very well. Proven | by pedicurists. Thanks, but my ladyfriend tried that for a number of months and had no luck. (We both have it on one foot, oddly.) I haven't found anything that *really* works. |
Lumber and now... toe nail fungus
| My old podiatrist used to say hot water soak with
| some vinegar in the water. That helped loosen the | dried skin. Not sure if it helped with fungus. Interesting thought. I've wondered whether there might be a good home remedy. People must have had some options before there were anti-fungal creams. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On 03/02/2015 7:14 AM, Frank wrote:
On 3/1/2015 9:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: Anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight? They has a segment about the laminate flooring that Lumber Liquidators is having made at three plants in China. It can be made 10% to 15% cheaper if you put in excessive formaldehyde. It exceeds California limits as much as 20X. .... I saw it too and question in my mind was that, while it fails California standard, what about US standards? .... CA was also just testing the boards where I would expect the EPA to sample the indoor air. I had it on, paid moderate attention...what I thought I heard was that EPA implemented the CA standards in part, at least, altho didn't try to get the details particularly. They also talked about some emissions testing but as noted, that's so variable based upon the specifics of any installation owing to circulation, air leakage, etc., etc., etc., as to be of no meaning as a general rule so didn't pay much attention at all to that part... The one medical professional indicated in his opinion the higher levels would definitely have enough outgassing over time in a confined space as to be a longterm increased risk but again, as is always the case, he noted there's no way to predict for any given individual a specific outcome...I didn't hear any risk predictions on means, etc., even, I presume owing to that they were either so low despite the comparison to limits or variable or difficult to predict they weren't meaningful so didn't make any worthwhile sensation factor to help the story--keeping in mind that they have no story if it isn't sensational in the end... -- |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On 3/2/2015 8:14 AM, Frank wrote:
I saw it too and question in my mind was that, while it fails California standard, what about US standards? I know on CA prop 65 that their no significant risk limits are far tighter than those used by OSHA. Everything causes cancer in CA. Given it was many times the limit and they had complaints from consumers, it is probably over the limits you'd want anywhere. I was also very surprised that the factory people were so quick to admit it was over, but they put the labels on anyway. There are many potential problems with LL, the factory, the third party testing company. |
Lumber and now... toe nail fungus
"Mayayana" wrote in message ... | My old podiatrist used to say hot water soak with | some vinegar in the water. That helped loosen the | dried skin. Not sure if it helped with fungus. Interesting thought. I've wondered whether there might be a good home remedy. People must have had some options before there were anti-fungal creams. Amputation. It is the only sure, permanent solution :) I've been cursed with fungus (athlete's foot) since 1945, got it - guess where - gym class. I have fought it for decades, best I've ever gotten was sort of an armed truce. The nail fungus came many years later. A decade or two back I tried a phatmaceutical house "sure cure". Needed a prescription, cost about $700, had to use it for six months, money back guarantee. It did indeed get rid of it. Unfortunately, it came back as soon as I stopped using the med. Got my money back. I've often wondered why some people are so susceptible to it, others not. The only thing I can think of is body pH. Fungus abhors acidity which is why people wrap cheese in something with a few drops of vinegar to keep it mold free. Obviously, my pH isn't acidic (probably) but I can't wear a base metal wris****ch, metal is eaten up in a few months. If I am highly basic, maybe that is why fungus loves me so? -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 09:48:45 +0000, Jimmy wrote:
And for those that missed 60 Minutes, CBS has it he http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-st...s-larry-david/ "...The retailer’s shares dropped 23% to $39.73 in recent trading. The stock was halted for nearly two hours after the opening bell." http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2015/03/02/lumber-liquidators-hammers-60-minutes-for-critical-report/ |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On 3/2/2015 10:41 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/2/2015 8:14 AM, Frank wrote: I saw it too and question in my mind was that, while it fails California standard, what about US standards? I know on CA prop 65 that their no significant risk limits are far tighter than those used by OSHA. Everything causes cancer in CA. Given it was many times the limit and they had complaints from consumers, it is probably over the limits you'd want anywhere. I was also very surprised that the factory people were so quick to admit it was over, but they put the labels on anyway. There are many potential problems with LL, the factory, the third party testing company. CA prop 65 has a no significant risk level for formaldehyde at 40 micrograms/day whereas OSHA permits workers to be exposed up to 2 ppm in continuous work environment. Maybe somebody has the energy to figure out under the OSHA standard how many micrograms a worker might breathe in during an 8 hour shift. Environmentalists had petitioned EPA to accept CA standard but I don't have the time to spend looking at their response: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2008...l/E8-14618.htm CA is in a world unto itself on chemical toxicity. I write safety data sheets and if there is the possibility of a trace of a Prop 65 chemical in the product, I list it. If not, the likes of the Sierra Club will analyze your product and if they find an ingredient they tell the state and hope they fine you so the Sierra Club can get a cut. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On 3/2/2015 2:56 PM, Frank wrote:
CA is in a world unto itself on chemical toxicity. I write safety data sheets and if there is the possibility of a trace of a Prop 65 chemical in the product, I list it. If not, the likes of the Sierra Club will analyze your product and if they find an ingredient they tell the state and hope they fine you so the Sierra Club can get a cut. So would you allow Lumber Liquidator's formaldehyde flooring to be installed in your home? I damn sure wouldn't! |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 18:05:38 -0500, "N. Cognito"
wrote: On 3/2/2015 2:56 PM, Frank wrote: CA is in a world unto itself on chemical toxicity. I write safety data sheets and if there is the possibility of a trace of a Prop 65 chemical in the product, I list it. If not, the likes of the Sierra Club will analyze your product and if they find an ingredient they tell the state and hope they fine you so the Sierra Club can get a cut. So would you allow Lumber Liquidator's formaldehyde flooring to be installed in your home? I damn sure wouldn't! So do you know how many building materials have formaldehyde in your home? It may not be just flooring. Check it out for your safety and spend money to save yourself. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On 3/2/2015 6:05 PM, N. Cognito wrote:
On 3/2/2015 2:56 PM, Frank wrote: CA is in a world unto itself on chemical toxicity. I write safety data sheets and if there is the possibility of a trace of a Prop 65 chemical in the product, I list it. If not, the likes of the Sierra Club will analyze your product and if they find an ingredient they tell the state and hope they fine you so the Sierra Club can get a cut. So would you allow Lumber Liquidator's formaldehyde flooring to be installed in your home? I damn sure wouldn't! I'm not showing favor to Lumber Liquidators and certainly know that Chinese dry wall had a similar if not worse problem. I'm just wondering how bad the problem is as I know that CA has the tightest regulations. As Oren points out it is not just new flooring that might out gas formaldehyde and new carpeting out gasses lots of similar goodies. If flooring had sat in a ware house at length, formaldehyde level may be acceptable. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 18:33:48 -0500, Frank
wrote: So would you allow Lumber Liquidator's formaldehyde flooring to be installed in your home? I damn sure wouldn't! I'm not showing favor to Lumber Liquidators and certainly know that Chinese dry wall had a similar if not worse problem. I'm just wondering how bad the problem is as I know that CA has the tightest regulations. As Oren points out it is not just new flooring that might out gas formaldehyde and new carpeting out gasses lots of similar goodies. If flooring had sat in a ware house at length, formaldehyde level may be acceptable. Recall in recent years, drywall from China cost homeowner's plenty of money. Law suits in Florida and other Southern states. People were sickened and suffered health issues from off gassing of formaldehyde. "sick homes" |
Lumber and now... toe nail fungus
On 3/2/2015 10:04 AM, Mayayana wrote:
| My old podiatrist used to say hot water soak with | some vinegar in the water. That helped loosen the | dried skin. Not sure if it helped with fungus. Interesting thought. I've wondered whether there might be a good home remedy. People must have had some options before there were anti-fungal creams. I'm guessing that there will be more and more cases where the old home remedy works fine, but the new highly expensive prescribed stuff does not. I'd like to know what the old remedies were, but that kind of information is being rapidly lost to mankind. I hope to be some small help, in that regard. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On 3/2/2015 6:56 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 18:33:48 -0500, Frank wrote: So would you allow Lumber Liquidator's formaldehyde flooring to be installed in your home? I damn sure wouldn't! I'm not showing favor to Lumber Liquidators and certainly know that Chinese dry wall had a similar if not worse problem. I'm just wondering how bad the problem is as I know that CA has the tightest regulations. As Oren points out it is not just new flooring that might out gas formaldehyde and new carpeting out gasses lots of similar goodies. If flooring had sat in a ware house at length, formaldehyde level may be acceptable. Recall in recent years, drywall from China cost homeowner's plenty of money. Law suits in Florida and other Southern states. People were sickened and suffered health issues from off gassing of formaldehyde. "sick homes" Formaldehyde was not the problem with the dry wall. The Chinese drywall contained sulfur compounds other than calcium sulphate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_drywall Plenty of other chemicals from volatiles in building materials can bother people, e.g. paint. |
Lumber and now... toe nail fungus
"dadiOH" wrote:
"Mayayana" wrote in message ... | My old podiatrist used to say hot water soak with | some vinegar in the water. That helped loosen the | dried skin. Not sure if it helped with fungus. Interesting thought. I've wondered whether there might be a good home remedy. People must have had some options before there were anti-fungal creams. Amputation. It is the only sure, permanent solution :) I've been cursed with fungus (athlete's foot) since 1945, got it - guess where - gym class. I have fought it for decades, best I've ever gotten was sort of an armed truce. Me too but a little later...maybe 1955. The nail fungus came many years later. A decade or two back I tried a phatmaceutical house "sure cure". Needed a prescription, cost about $700, had to use it for six months, money back guarantee. It did indeed get rid of it. Unfortunately, it came back as soon as I stopped using the med. Got my money back. Probably Griseofulvin. Works well but as you've discovered the Tinea returns. Actually it doesn't return. It's always there. I've consulted many dermatologists over the years and the synthesis of their remarks and treatment is that the fungus is all around us. I asked one if she wanted to put down some paper for me to walk on. Nope, pointless, she said. She actually ID'ed the type -- scraping and lab test (there are dozens of types or subtypes). No help. The same medication works on most of them but to a different degree and duration by joining with the skin or nail tissue and creating (for a while) resistant new skin. A few months later the tinea will return... unless you keep pounding it with the drug. One dermatologist wanted to remove my toenails. Didn't much like that idea. I've often wondered why some people are so susceptible to it, others not. The only thing I can think of is body pH. Fungus abhors acidity which is why people wrap cheese in something with a few drops of vinegar to keep it mold free. Resistance is totally genetic. Either you have it (resistance) or you don't. Of my two (grown) sons one has it same as me: the other doesn't. My wife who shared the same bath mat and lots of other foot items also seems immune. However, both wife and the immune son suffer horribly from mosquito bites and both have huge problems with sunning themselves. Personally I prefer the Tinea. Obviously, my pH isn't acidic (probably) but I can't wear a base metal wris****ch, metal is eaten up in a few months. If I am highly basic, maybe that is why fungus loves me so? As advised by a couple of the many dermatologists I've seen the best you can do is to control it with topical OTC creams, sprays, and lotions applied religiously daily. Also make sure you keep all affected parts dry. |
Lumber and now... toe nail fungus
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015 10:04:03 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote: | My old podiatrist used to say hot water soak with | some vinegar in the water. That helped loosen the | dried skin. Not sure if it helped with fungus. Interesting thought. I've wondered whether there might be a good home remedy. People must have had some options before there were anti-fungal creams. Back in the old days they used whiskey for almost everything. I heard soaking foot in bleach water will kill it. I'm not sure how strong it needs to be. Maybe there is something on the web... |
Lumber and now... toe nail fungus
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Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On 03/02/2015 11:33 PM, Frank wrote:
On 3/2/2015 6:05 PM, N. Cognito wrote: On 3/2/2015 2:56 PM, Frank wrote: CA is in a world unto itself on chemical toxicity. I write safety data sheets and if there is the possibility of a trace of a Prop 65 chemical in the product, I list it. If not, the likes of the Sierra Club will analyze your product and if they find an ingredient they tell the state and hope they fine you so the Sierra Club can get a cut. So would you allow Lumber Liquidator's formaldehyde flooring to be installed in your home? I damn sure wouldn't! I'm not showing favor to Lumber Liquidators and certainly know that Chinese dry wall had a similar if not worse problem. I'm just wondering how bad the problem is as I know that CA has the tightest regulations. As Oren points out it is not just new flooring that might out gas formaldehyde and new carpeting out gasses lots of similar goodies. If flooring had sat in a ware house at length, formaldehyde level may be acceptable. Clever evasion but would you install that stuff in your house? |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 6:33:57 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 3/2/2015 6:05 PM, N. Cognito wrote: On 3/2/2015 2:56 PM, Frank wrote: CA is in a world unto itself on chemical toxicity. I write safety data sheets and if there is the possibility of a trace of a Prop 65 chemical in the product, I list it. If not, the likes of the Sierra Club will analyze your product and if they find an ingredient they tell the state and hope they fine you so the Sierra Club can get a cut. So would you allow Lumber Liquidator's formaldehyde flooring to be installed in your home? I damn sure wouldn't! I'm not showing favor to Lumber Liquidators and certainly know that Chinese dry wall had a similar if not worse problem. I'm just wondering how bad the problem is as I know that CA has the tightest regulations. As Oren points out it is not just new flooring that might out gas formaldehyde and new carpeting out gasses lots of similar goodies. If flooring had sat in a ware house at length, formaldehyde level may be acceptable. The CA test procedure is interesting too. It requires that the top layer of the laminate be removed to fully expose the inside core where the fomaldehyde is before testing. So, who knows what actual level exists in the air of a typical building, for how long, etc with the actual product, as installed. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On 3/3/2015 4:30 AM, Jimmy wrote:
On 03/02/2015 11:33 PM, Frank wrote: On 3/2/2015 6:05 PM, N. Cognito wrote: On 3/2/2015 2:56 PM, Frank wrote: CA is in a world unto itself on chemical toxicity. I write safety data sheets and if there is the possibility of a trace of a Prop 65 chemical in the product, I list it. If not, the likes of the Sierra Club will analyze your product and if they find an ingredient they tell the state and hope they fine you so the Sierra Club can get a cut. So would you allow Lumber Liquidator's formaldehyde flooring to be installed in your home? I damn sure wouldn't! I'm not showing favor to Lumber Liquidators and certainly know that Chinese dry wall had a similar if not worse problem. I'm just wondering how bad the problem is as I know that CA has the tightest regulations. As Oren points out it is not just new flooring that might out gas formaldehyde and new carpeting out gasses lots of similar goodies. If flooring had sat in a ware house at length, formaldehyde level may be acceptable. Clever evasion but would you install that stuff in your house? Dumb question. I don't need it. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On 3/3/2015 7:00 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 6:33:57 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote: On 3/2/2015 6:05 PM, N. Cognito wrote: On 3/2/2015 2:56 PM, Frank wrote: CA is in a world unto itself on chemical toxicity. I write safety data sheets and if there is the possibility of a trace of a Prop 65 chemical in the product, I list it. If not, the likes of the Sierra Club will analyze your product and if they find an ingredient they tell the state and hope they fine you so the Sierra Club can get a cut. So would you allow Lumber Liquidator's formaldehyde flooring to be installed in your home? I damn sure wouldn't! I'm not showing favor to Lumber Liquidators and certainly know that Chinese dry wall had a similar if not worse problem. I'm just wondering how bad the problem is as I know that CA has the tightest regulations. As Oren points out it is not just new flooring that might out gas formaldehyde and new carpeting out gasses lots of similar goodies. If flooring had sat in a ware house at length, formaldehyde level may be acceptable. The CA test procedure is interesting too. It requires that the top layer of the laminate be removed to fully expose the inside core where the fomaldehyde is before testing. So, who knows what actual level exists in the air of a typical building, for how long, etc with the actual product, as installed. I had not gotten into the weeds on this but that is a very unrealistic test procedure. I am familiar with some painting tests where people were concerned about a carcinogen in paints made from vinyl acetate. Turned out it was in the can when manufactured but when paint was used it was completely absent as it had reacted with other ingredients in the paint. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 15:14:44 -0800, Oren wrote in
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 18:05:38 -0500, "N. Cognito" wrote: On 3/2/2015 2:56 PM, Frank wrote: CA is in a world unto itself on chemical toxicity. I write safety data sheets and if there is the possibility of a trace of a Prop 65 chemical in the product, I list it. If not, the likes of the Sierra Club will analyze your product and if they find an ingredient they tell the state and hope they fine you so the Sierra Club can get a cut. So would you allow Lumber Liquidator's formaldehyde flooring to be installed in your home? I damn sure wouldn't! So do you know how many building materials have formaldehyde in your home? It may not be just flooring. Check it out for your safety and spend money to save yourself. +1 -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... Anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight? They has a segment about the laminate flooring that Lumber Liquidators is having made at three plants in China. It can be made 10% to 15% cheaper if you put in excessive formaldehyde. It exceeds California limits as much as 20X. The factories are putting the CARB 2 labels on but they say it is not compliant. The LL CEO, of course, said he did not know anything about it and will investigate. I'm reminded of Katrina trailers. Long story short we ended up with two of them (for free) took one to the fish camp the other to the deer camp. Can't sleep in either one so both are dead storage. |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 07:39:19 -0500, Frank wrote:
On 3/3/2015 4:30 AM, Jimmy wrote: On 03/02/2015 11:33 PM, Frank wrote: On 3/2/2015 6:05 PM, N. Cognito wrote: On 3/2/2015 2:56 PM, Frank wrote: CA is in a world unto itself on chemical toxicity. I write safety data sheets and if there is the possibility of a trace of a Prop 65 chemical in the product, I list it. If not, the likes of the Sierra Club will analyze your product and if they find an ingredient they tell the state and hope they fine you so the Sierra Club can get a cut. So would you allow Lumber Liquidator's formaldehyde flooring to be installed in your home? I damn sure wouldn't! I'm not showing favor to Lumber Liquidators and certainly know that Chinese dry wall had a similar if not worse problem. I'm just wondering how bad the problem is as I know that CA has the tightest regulations. As Oren points out it is not just new flooring that might out gas formaldehyde and new carpeting out gasses lots of similar goodies. If flooring had sat in a ware house at length, formaldehyde level may be acceptable. Clever evasion but would you install that stuff in your house? Dumb question. I don't need it. So is that a yes or a no? It doesn't matter if you need it. Knowing what you know now would you install it in your home? Yes or no? |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On 3/3/2015 3:38 PM, wg_2002 wrote:
On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 07:39:19 -0500, Frank wrote: On 3/3/2015 4:30 AM, Jimmy wrote: On 03/02/2015 11:33 PM, Frank wrote: On 3/2/2015 6:05 PM, N. Cognito wrote: On 3/2/2015 2:56 PM, Frank wrote: CA is in a world unto itself on chemical toxicity. I write safety data sheets and if there is the possibility of a trace of a Prop 65 chemical in the product, I list it. If not, the likes of the Sierra Club will analyze your product and if they find an ingredient they tell the state and hope they fine you so the Sierra Club can get a cut. So would you allow Lumber Liquidator's formaldehyde flooring to be installed in your home? I damn sure wouldn't! I'm not showing favor to Lumber Liquidators and certainly know that Chinese dry wall had a similar if not worse problem. I'm just wondering how bad the problem is as I know that CA has the tightest regulations. As Oren points out it is not just new flooring that might out gas formaldehyde and new carpeting out gasses lots of similar goodies. If flooring had sat in a ware house at length, formaldehyde level may be acceptable. Clever evasion but would you install that stuff in your house? Dumb question. I don't need it. So is that a yes or a no? It doesn't matter if you need it. Knowing what you know now would you install it in your home? Yes or no? Maybe Frankie-Wankie is one of those "expert" witlesses that says whatever UltraMegaChemical Corp pays him to say? |
Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On Sun, 1 Mar 2015 21:26:47 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote: Interesting side note: I've had trouble with toenail fungus on one foot. One treatment is to put urea solution on the nail until it falls off. I used to have My mother had a fungus on a big toe nail. The doctor gave her something, but it didnt' do much (which from her pov was equivalent to doing nothhing). This was 50 years ago. Eventually the whole nail fell off, and the new one grew back fine. Well, maybe whatever he gave her did have something to do with that. a pint-size can of urea crystals from urea-formaldehyde glue that I'd bought years ago at the Woodworkers store. CVS wanted $80 for a tiny bottle of urea solution -- a common industrial and agricultural chemical! So I went looking for my can of urea, but apparently I threw it out years ago. By CVS standards that can would probably be worth over $20,000. :) |
Lumber and now... toe nail fungus
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015 13:26:09 -0500, "dadiOH" wrote:
I've been cursed with fungus (athlete's foot) since 1945, got it - guess where - gym class. I have fought it for decades, best I've ever gotten was sort of an armed truce. I was a fortunate guy for a long time. I walked in bare feet on motel carpets (which my mother said was a bad thing to do. Athlete's foot?) and in gym locker rooms iirc. I never wore sandals in gym showers, and I never had athletes foot until I was over 50. Even then it was only between two specific toes and never got bad. After a couple years it was 2 or 3 places on one foot, but never on the other foot, even if I rubbed the bad spots on the bad foot, and then used the same fingers to rub the same spots on the good foot. But after 2 or 3 more years, it got to he other foot. It got so bad I swiped my brother's mostly used bottle of Desenex and used that, which cured me for about 3 days. (one application. I always meant to put it on every day for a while to see if the cure would last longer. ) Finally the bottle ran out. and at the supermarket they had more than one product for this. And cheaper than Desenex. I didnt' want an aerosol can -- the last thing I want to do is breathe that stuff -- but that's what I got. I press the button as lightly as possible and hold my other hand around the spray, and it really doesn't reach my nose. Voila, 10 days' cure from one application. Finally remembered to use it two days in a row, and it's been at least 30 days. Different active ingredient from Desenex. I suppose more than one kind of fungus causes athlete's foot, but it seems it can help to change what one uses. If anyone cares, let me know and I'll find out what is in this stuff and post it. I think it's the house brand for Maryland Giant supermarkets, so I couldn't find a webpage for it. |
Lumber and now... toe nail fungus
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Lumber Liquidators laminate flooring
On Mon, 02 Mar 2015 09:09:32 -0600, dpb wrote:
On 03/02/2015 7:14 AM, Frank wrote: On 3/1/2015 9:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: Anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight? They has a segment about the laminate flooring that Lumber Liquidators is having made at three plants in China. It can be made 10% to 15% cheaper if you put in excessive formaldehyde. It exceeds California limits as much as 20X. ... I saw it too and question in my mind was that, while it fails California standard, what about US standards? ... CA was also just testing the boards where I would expect the EPA to sample the indoor air. I had it on, paid moderate attention...what I thought I heard was that EPA implemented the CA standards in part, at least, altho didn't try to get the details particularly. I only heard about 3 words, but I consider 60 Minutes an alarmist program, and untrustworthy. I know less about 20-20 and the other networks' similar programs. But I think there are not really enough terrible scandals to supply 156 or 208 a year for the 3 or maybe 4 such shows. And 60 Minutes makes do by using an ominous tone of voice. It's been decades since I became suspicious. One of their stories was about a guy suing a small city newspaper in Illiinois for libel and of coursd the court papers referred to the newspaper's publishing the libelous words. And 60 Minutes 2 or 3 times said that they had only included the words in a letter, they hadn't published them in the newspaper. Any law student who passed torts, a first year course, knows that publishing does not require a newspaper. That writing a letter IS publication. It's THE term for how one spreads libel, and that includes a mere letter or anything written. And the words don't have to be seen by everyone who reads a newspaper., if it the words are false and the letter is read by someone who then costs the plaintiff money**. If they didnt have an in-house lawyer look over the story, they should have hired an outside lawyer for an hour, instead of white-washing the newspaper. **(Plus iirc one is entitled to a money judgment if the llibel accuses one of a crime or a disgusting disease, whether the plaintfiff suffers financial loss or not.) They also talked about some emissions testing but as noted, that's so variable based upon the specifics of any installation owing to circulation, air leakage, etc., etc., etc., as to be of no meaning as a general rule so didn't pay much attention at all to that part... The one medical professional indicated in his opinion the higher levels would definitely have enough outgassing over time in a confined space as to be a longterm increased risk but again, as is always the case, he noted there's no way to predict for any given individual a specific outcome...I didn't hear any risk predictions on means, etc., even, I presume owing to that they were either so low despite the comparison to limits or variable or difficult to predict they weren't meaningful so didn't make any worthwhile sensation factor to help the story--keeping in mind that they have no story if it isn't sensational in the end... |
OT toe nail fungus
On 3/6/2015 2:14 AM, micky wrote:
I was a fortunate guy for a long time. I walked in bare feet on motel carpets (which my mother said was a bad thing to do. Athlete's foot?) and in gym locker rooms iirc. I never wore sandals in gym showers, and I never had athletes foot until I was over 50. Even then it was only between two specific toes and never got bad. After a couple years it was 2 or 3 places on one foot, but never on the other foot, even if I rubbed the bad spots on the bad foot, and then used the same fingers to rub the same spots on the good foot. But after 2 or 3 more years, it got to he other foot. It got so bad I swiped my brother's mostly used bottle of Desenex and used that, which cured me for about 3 days. (one application. I always meant to put it on every day for a while to see if the cure would last longer. ) Finally the bottle ran out. and at the supermarket they had more than one product for this. And cheaper than Desenex. I didnt' want an aerosol can -- the last thing I want to do is breathe that stuff -- but that's what I got. I press the button as lightly as possible and hold my other hand around the spray, and it really doesn't reach my nose. Voila, 10 days' cure from one application. Finally remembered to use it two days in a row, and it's been at least 30 days. Different active ingredient from Desenex. I suppose more than one kind of fungus causes athlete's foot, but it seems it can help to change what one uses. If anyone cares, let me know and I'll find out what is in this stuff and post it. I think it's the house brand for Maryland Giant supermarkets, so I couldn't find a webpage for it. It's a bit ot for home repair, but i'd expect at least one or two people will benefit. Please do post your findings. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
OT toe nail fungus
On 3/6/2015 6:55 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/6/2015 2:14 AM, micky wrote: I was a fortunate guy for a long time. I walked in bare feet on motel carpets (which my mother said was a bad thing to do. Athlete's foot?) and in gym locker rooms iirc. I never wore sandals in gym showers, and I never had athletes foot until I was over 50. Even then it was only between two specific toes and never got bad. After a couple years it was 2 or 3 places on one foot, but never on the other foot, even if I rubbed the bad spots on the bad foot, and then used the same fingers to rub the same spots on the good foot. But after 2 or 3 more years, it got to he other foot. It got so bad I swiped my brother's mostly used bottle of Desenex and used that, which cured me for about 3 days. (one application. I always meant to put it on every day for a while to see if the cure would last longer. ) Finally the bottle ran out. and at the supermarket they had more than one product for this. And cheaper than Desenex. I didnt' want an aerosol can -- the last thing I want to do is breathe that stuff -- but that's what I got. I press the button as lightly as possible and hold my other hand around the spray, and it really doesn't reach my nose. Voila, 10 days' cure from one application. Finally remembered to use it two days in a row, and it's been at least 30 days. Different active ingredient from Desenex. I suppose more than one kind of fungus causes athlete's foot, but it seems it can help to change what one uses. If anyone cares, let me know and I'll find out what is in this stuff and post it. I think it's the house brand for Maryland Giant supermarkets, so I couldn't find a webpage for it. It's a bit ot for home repair, but i'd expect at least one or two people will benefit. Please do post your findings. - . Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus . www.lds.org . . The currently popular treatment is laser....heats the nail bed enough to kill the fungus and takes about 3 treatments. Don't know the data on effectiveness. |
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