Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will
be available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a
full year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504

"Moe DeLoughan" wrote in message
...
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in Microsoft's
strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will be available for
Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a full year.

Whatz a "sea" change, little mixed up popcorn fart?

On 1/21/2015 2:17 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will be
available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a full
year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504


I heard that and assumed they meant if you bought the computer a year
before the upgrade. Would be nice if all 7 and 8.1 users will get it.

"Frank" wrote in message
...
On 1/21/2015 2:17 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will be
available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a full
year.


Can youse just answer the question, little popcorn fart feller?

On 1/21/2015 2:22 PM, Frank wrote:
On 1/21/2015 2:17 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will be
available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a full
year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504



I heard that and assumed they meant if you bought the computer a year
before the upgrade. Would be nice if all 7 and 8.1 users will get it.

Should have googled before my post. It will be available to all current
users of 7 and 8.1:

http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/21/78...-and-8-1-users

I got an Android based tablet for Christmas and believe Android may be
the worlds largest OS and upgrades are apparently free. If MS wants to
be competitive, this is competition they must beat.

On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:42:55 -0500, Frank
wrote:

On 1/21/2015 2:22 PM, Frank wrote:
On 1/21/2015 2:17 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will be
available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a full
year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504



I heard that and assumed they meant if you bought the computer a year
before the upgrade. Would be nice if all 7 and 8.1 users will get it.

Should have googled before my post. It will be available to all current
users of 7 and 8.1:

http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/21/78...-and-8-1-users

I got an Android based tablet for Christmas and believe Android may be
the worlds largest OS and upgrades are apparently free. If MS wants to
be competitive, this is competition they must beat.

Define: "free upgrade for its first year of release"

"...How exactly this program will work isn't clear just yet..."

And why don't they include Vista?

On 1/21/2015 2:55 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:42:55 -0500, Frank
wrote:

On 1/21/2015 2:22 PM, Frank wrote:
On 1/21/2015 2:17 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will be
available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a full
year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504



I heard that and assumed they meant if you bought the computer a year
before the upgrade. Would be nice if all 7 and 8.1 users will get it.

Should have googled before my post. It will be available to all current
users of 7 and 8.1:

http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/21/78...-and-8-1-users

I got an Android based tablet for Christmas and believe Android may be
the worlds largest OS and upgrades are apparently free. If MS wants to
be competitive, this is competition they must beat.

Define: "free upgrade for its first year of release"

"...How exactly this program will work isn't clear just yet..."

And why don't they include Vista?


Will be interesting to see. When Win 8.1 came out after 8.0 I was going
to wait a few months to let them debug since I had a year to do it but
after a couple of months they did it without me asking for it.

On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:28:41 -0500, Frank
wrote:

Will be interesting to see. When Win 8.1 came out after 8.0 I was going
to wait a few months to let them debug since I had a year to do it but
after a couple of months they did it without me asking for it.

chuckle

For every "bug" they fix, they introduce 5 more. It is said Win95
went retail with ~65,000 Bugs.

Generally speaking; software with an odd number version will be more
stable. Even number versions not necessarily true. IME

On 1/21/2015 2:55 PM, Oren wrote:

And why don't they include Vista?


Because all six people using Vista already upgraded from that crap.

On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:03:57 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

And why don't they include Vista?


Because all six people using Vista already upgraded from that crap.

One person didn't.

On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:03:51 PM UTC-8, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/21/2015 2:55 PM, Oren wrote:

And why don't they include Vista?


Because all six people using Vista already upgraded from that crap.

I'm still using Vista on two of my laptops and Win98SE on my third laptop. No problems at all.

| And why don't they include Vista?
|
|
| Because all six people using Vista already upgraded from that crap.

I don't think there's really much difference between
Vista and 7. I think of them as the same OS. But
there are two factors that make them seem different:

1) It's easier to tone down the pointless nags in
Win7, making it appear to be smoother.

2) Microsoft screwed up the release of Vista. Intel
had a big pile of chipsets they wanted to dump, but
those chipsets couldn't support the demanding Aero
graphics. (The translucent techno-kitsch that was
the only real selling point of Vista/7.) So Microsoft
helped out their buddy, creating new categories of
vista at the last minute. The general public got very
confused, faced with choosing between PCs that
fully ran Vista and PCs that could run Vista but
couldn't do Aero. As a result, Vista got a bad
reputation.

Microsoft acted in a similar way with WinME. When
that version flopped they sort of swept it under the rug,
pretending that it just didn't exist. Now, for some time,
it's been Vista's turn to be the black sheep that no one
admits to. Yet if one just turns off User Account Control
in Vista I don't think there's much difference between
that and Win7. (Personally I avoid both. I occasionally use
Win7-64 for memory intensive things, but I prefer the
leaner, no-nonsense style of XP. It doesn't fight with
me about how I want to do things, and its spyware
functionality is less well developed.)

On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 2:22:32 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 1/21/2015 2:17 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will be
available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a full
year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504


I heard that and assumed they meant if you bought the computer a year
before the upgrade. Would be nice if all 7 and 8.1 users will get it.

From googling, it sure looks like it means a year from the date
it's launched, not the date you bought a PC. Seems kind of silly
for MSFT to be making a major announcement, talking about free for Win 7
if it was only if you had bought the PC within a year.
Most PCs aren't be sold with 7 anymore already, no? and 10 is a long ways out.

On 1/21/2015 3:03 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 2:22:32 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 1/21/2015 2:17 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will be
available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a full
year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504


I heard that and assumed they meant if you bought the computer a year
before the upgrade. Would be nice if all 7 and 8.1 users will get it.

From googling, it sure looks like it means a year from the date
it's launched, not the date you bought a PC. Seems kind of silly
for MSFT to be making a major announcement, talking about free for Win 7
if it was only if you had bought the PC within a year.
Most PCs aren't be sold with 7 anymore already, no? and 10 is a long ways out.


Apparently there are a few computers with 7 to be sold and MS does not
want to make them boat anchors. Oren wondered why not Vista and
probably same reasoning in that there are not any unsold Vista machines.

On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 3:31:34 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 1/21/2015 3:03 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 2:22:32 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 1/21/2015 2:17 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will be
available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a full
year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504


I heard that and assumed they meant if you bought the computer a year
before the upgrade. Would be nice if all 7 and 8.1 users will get it.

From googling, it sure looks like it means a year from the date
it's launched, not the date you bought a PC. Seems kind of silly
for MSFT to be making a major announcement, talking about free for Win 7
if it was only if you had bought the PC within a year.
Most PCs aren't be sold with 7 anymore already, no? and 10 is a long ways out.


Apparently there are a few computers with 7 to be sold and MS does not
want to make them boat anchors. Oren wondered why not Vista and
probably same reasoning in that there are not any unsold Vista machines.

Again, from everything I've seen online, it's as Moe said, one year from
the date of Win 10 release, not from the date of any PC purchase. Where
do you see that it has anything to do with when the PC was purchased?

On 1/21/2015 3:56 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 3:31:34 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 1/21/2015 3:03 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 2:22:32 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 1/21/2015 2:17 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will be
available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a full
year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504


I heard that and assumed they meant if you bought the computer a year
before the upgrade. Would be nice if all 7 and 8.1 users will get it.

From googling, it sure looks like it means a year from the date
it's launched, not the date you bought a PC. Seems kind of silly
for MSFT to be making a major announcement, talking about free for Win 7
if it was only if you had bought the PC within a year.
Most PCs aren't be sold with 7 anymore already, no? and 10 is a long ways out.


Apparently there are a few computers with 7 to be sold and MS does not
want to make them boat anchors. Oren wondered why not Vista and
probably same reasoning in that there are not any unsold Vista machines.

Again, from everything I've seen online, it's as Moe said, one year from
the date of Win 10 release, not from the date of any PC purchase. Where
do you see that it has anything to do with when the PC was purchased?


My initial thought was that was done in the past when a new OS was
coming out you'd get a chit for the new one when you bought the old one.

I just got an ad from HP that they were selling Win 7 machines with up
to 25% off.

| Would be nice if all 7 and 8.1 users will get it.

Maybe. But no one really knows exactly what it
is yet. P.T. Barnum's Egress exhibit was free, too.

On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 12:17:56 PM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will
be available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a
full year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504

Liar, liar your pants are on fire. Won't apply to my nearly 3 year old Win 7 system.

Get the facts and get back to us.
=======

On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 4:32:06 PM UTC-5, Roy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 12:17:56 PM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will
be available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a
full year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504

Liar, liar your pants are on fire. Won't apply to my nearly 3 year old Win 7 system.

Get the facts and get back to us.
=======

You're making the liar claim. What are you seeing that says it won't?
Everything I've seen online, many sources, say Moe is right.

On 1/21/2015 3:32 PM, Roy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 12:17:56 PM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will
be available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a
full year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504

Liar, liar your pants are on fire. Won't apply to my nearly 3 year old Win 7 system.

Get the facts and get back to us.
=======


Too damned lazy to click the link and read, hey? Or are you
comprehension-impaired?

Here's another link:

Free Upgrade Offer

Great news! We will offer a free upgrade to Windows 10 for qualified
new or existing Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 devices
that upgrade in the first year!* And even better: once a qualified
Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it
up to date for the supported lifetime of the device, keeping it more
secure, and introducing new features and functionality over time – for
no additional charge. Sign up with your email today, and we will send
you more information about Windows 10 and the upgrade offer in the
coming months.

*It is our intent that most of these devices will qualify, but some
hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary
by device. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows
Update enabled. ISP fees may apply. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
Update required. Some editions are excluded: Windows 7 Enterprise,
Windows 8/8.1 Enterprise, and Windows RT/RT 8.1. Active Software
Assurance customers in volume licensing have the benefit to upgrade to
Windows 10 Enterprise outside of this offer. We will be sharing more
information and additional offer terms in coming months.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ows-10_Null_01

On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:36:19 -0600, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

We will be sharing more information and additional offer terms in coming months.

See! ...it will be Summer for the consumer.

On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 3:36:24 PM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 1/21/2015 3:32 PM, Roy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 12:17:56 PM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will
be available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a
full year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504

Liar, liar your pants are on fire. Won't apply to my nearly 3 year old Win 7 system.

Get the facts and get back to us.
=======


Too damned lazy to click the link and read, hey? Or are you
comprehension-impaired?

Here's another link:

Free Upgrade Offer

Great news! We will offer a free upgrade to Windows 10 for qualified
new or existing Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 devices
that upgrade in the first year!* And even better: once a qualified
Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it
up to date for the supported lifetime of the device, keeping it more
secure, and introducing new features and functionality over time - for
no additional charge. Sign up with your email today, and we will send
you more information about Windows 10 and the upgrade offer in the
coming months.

*It is our intent that most of these devices will qualify, but some
hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary
by device. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows
Update enabled. ISP fees may apply. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
Update required. Some editions are excluded: Windows 7 Enterprise,
Windows 8/8.1 Enterprise, and Windows RT/RT 8.1. Active Software
Assurance customers in volume licensing have the benefit to upgrade to
Windows 10 Enterprise outside of this offer. We will be sharing more
information and additional offer terms in coming months.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ows-10_Null_01

Some editions are excluded. Some other conditions apply. Must be connected to the Internet.

If I QUALIFY I may be interested.

On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 1:13:42 AM UTC-5, Roy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 3:36:24 PM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 1/21/2015 3:32 PM, Roy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 12:17:56 PM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will
be available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a
full year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504

Liar, liar your pants are on fire. Won't apply to my nearly 3 year old Win 7 system.

Get the facts and get back to us.
=======


Too damned lazy to click the link and read, hey? Or are you
comprehension-impaired?

Here's another link:

Free Upgrade Offer

Great news! We will offer a free upgrade to Windows 10 for qualified
new or existing Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 devices
that upgrade in the first year!* And even better: once a qualified
Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it
up to date for the supported lifetime of the device, keeping it more
secure, and introducing new features and functionality over time - for
no additional charge. Sign up with your email today, and we will send
you more information about Windows 10 and the upgrade offer in the
coming months.

*It is our intent that most of these devices will qualify, but some
hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary
by device. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows
Update enabled. ISP fees may apply. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
Update required. Some editions are excluded: Windows 7 Enterprise,
Windows 8/8.1 Enterprise, and Windows RT/RT 8.1. Active Software
Assurance customers in volume licensing have the benefit to upgrade to
Windows 10 Enterprise outside of this offer. We will be sharing more
information and additional offer terms in coming months.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ows-10_Null_01

Some editions are excluded. Some other conditions apply. Must be connected to the Internet.

If I QUALIFY I may be interested.

Wow, must be connected to the internet to get the free update.
What a show stopping hurdle for consumers! Outrageous!

So far, from what I see my Win 7 PCs are covered.
Amazing how some folks want to just **** all over stuff, even when it
looks genuine and generous. I mean here is MSFT giving out a free
major OS upgrade and you're complaining.

On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 5:17:07 AM UTC-7, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 1:13:42 AM UTC-5, Roy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 3:36:24 PM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 1/21/2015 3:32 PM, Roy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 12:17:56 PM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will
be available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a
full year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504

Liar, liar your pants are on fire. Won't apply to my nearly 3 year old Win 7 system.

Get the facts and get back to us.
=======


Too damned lazy to click the link and read, hey? Or are you
comprehension-impaired?

Here's another link:

Free Upgrade Offer

Great news! We will offer a free upgrade to Windows 10 for qualified
new or existing Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 devices
that upgrade in the first year!* And even better: once a qualified
Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it
up to date for the supported lifetime of the device, keeping it more
secure, and introducing new features and functionality over time - for
no additional charge. Sign up with your email today, and we will send
you more information about Windows 10 and the upgrade offer in the
coming months.

*It is our intent that most of these devices will qualify, but some
hardware/software requirements apply and feature availability may vary
by device. Devices must be connected to the internet and have Windows
Update enabled. ISP fees may apply. Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.1
Update required. Some editions are excluded: Windows 7 Enterprise,
Windows 8/8.1 Enterprise, and Windows RT/RT 8.1. Active Software
Assurance customers in volume licensing have the benefit to upgrade to
Windows 10 Enterprise outside of this offer. We will be sharing more
information and additional offer terms in coming months.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ows-10_Null_01

Some editions are excluded. Some other conditions apply. Must be connected to the Internet.

If I QUALIFY I may be interested.

Wow, must be connected to the internet to get the free update.
What a show stopping hurdle for consumers! Outrageous!

So far, from what I see my Win 7 PCs are covered.
Amazing how some folks want to just **** all over stuff, even when it
looks genuine and generous. I mean here is MSFT giving out a free
major OS upgrade and you're complaining.

If Windows 10 is to be given out FREE, then we should be able to go to a computer outlet such as Staples or The Source and get a FREE disk with the software and no questions asked. Downloading the software as a service gives way too much control to Microsoft. I wonder if after the FREE offer is over will the purchased version be substantially different than the FREE one. There has to be a catch somewhere.

|
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ows-10_Null_01
|

I can't see any content on that webpage. I don't
know why. Here's another link to Mary Jo Foley, who
seems to be as much an insider as anyone when it
comes to MS:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...one-8-1-users/

Note that she points out Win10 will be a service,
not a software product. Once you go to Win10
you'll likely have very little control over your computer.
(Similarly, I think Apple OS upgrades are now free,
but Apple is basically selling the device and making
a lot of their money by locking it down and then selling
services, like music through iTunes. They don't just
hand it out for free because they're generous.... and
no one would ever accuse Apple of being generous.)

Win8 Metro is probably a good portent of what to
expect with Win10. It's likely people will have to get
a "Microsoft ID", allow Microsoft total control and
access, which also means fullscale spying, as well
as restrictions on what one can install/use/buy. It's
hard to guess how they might integrate that with
computers that are actually used to do anything more
than shop and play games. Maybe they'll show ads.
Maybe they'll just "sell you down the river" to marketers
and data miners. But one way or the other, you can
be sure they intend to make more money on you by
giving it away free than they do by selling it. Otherwise
they wouldn't be doing it.

Restrictions and spying are becoming a big problem.
I see articles repeatedly about both iPhone and Android
phones, detailing the near impossibility of not being
tracked everywhere one goes, and spied on by much of
the installed software. It's becoming very difficult to
not be locked into a service and lose control of the device.
Win10 is likely to be a similar situation. So it might be wise
to at least wait and see how it plays out before jumping
on board.

Just yesterday I saw an article about how Google
is looking into entering the insurance business. The
explanation was that Google already knows how and
where people drive, through their Android phones
running GPS, which are essentially radio collar tracking
devices. So Google could be one up on other insurance
companies in terms of knowing the best rates to
charge individual customers.
Microsoft wants a piece of that action. They know
their strength is the Windows base. Their angle now,
as seen through their ads, is to convert that to a
big customer base of people who find it convenient
to live in Metro-land, whether on PC, tablet, or phone.

On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-5, Mayayana wrote:
|
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ows-10_Null_01
|

I can't see any content on that webpage. I don't
know why. Here's another link to Mary Jo Foley, who
seems to be as much an insider as anyone when it
comes to MS:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...one-8-1-users/

Note that she points out Win10 will be a service,
not a software product.

She didn't say it's not a software product. It obviously is.
What she said was MSFT will be treating it like a service by updating
it for life on the device and that there wouldn't be version numbers.


Once you go to Win10
you'll likely have very little control over your computer.

No indication of that at all from what you posted.



(Similarly, I think Apple OS upgrades are now free,
but Apple is basically selling the device and making
a lot of their money by locking it down and then selling
services, like music through iTunes. They don't just
hand it out for free because they're generous.... and
no one would ever accuse Apple of being generous.)

Win8 Metro is probably a good portent of what to
expect with Win10. It's likely people will have to get
a "Microsoft ID", allow Microsoft total control and
access, which also means fullscale spying, as well
as restrictions on what one can install/use/buy. It's
hard to guess how they might integrate that with
computers that are actually used to do anything more
than shop and play games. Maybe they'll show ads.
Maybe they'll just "sell you down the river" to marketers
and data miners. But one way or the other, you can
be sure they intend to make more money on you by
giving it away free than they do by selling it. Otherwise
they wouldn't be doing it.


Realistically, I wonder how much MSFT actually makes from selling
upgrades, at least to the home market. I doubt it's a core of
their revenue stream. I haven't paid for an upgrade in probably 15 years.
I probably paid for one upgrade ever. I think most people are
in that boat too. You get an OS with the PC when you buy it, do
whatever free upgrades there are and that's it. The upgrades never
offered anything compelling enough to justify the price. And by
the time they do, you probably are ready for new hardware too.

On 1/22/2015 9:46 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-5, Mayayana wrote:
|
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ows-10_Null_01
|

I can't see any content on that webpage. I don't
know why. Here's another link to Mary Jo Foley, who
seems to be as much an insider as anyone when it
comes to MS:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...one-8-1-users/

Note that she points out Win10 will be a service,
not a software product.

She didn't say it's not a software product. It obviously is.
What she said was MSFT will be treating it like a service by updating
it for life on the device and that there wouldn't be version numbers.


Once you go to Win10
you'll likely have very little control over your computer.

No indication of that at all from what you posted.



(Similarly, I think Apple OS upgrades are now free,
but Apple is basically selling the device and making
a lot of their money by locking it down and then selling
services, like music through iTunes. They don't just
hand it out for free because they're generous.... and
no one would ever accuse Apple of being generous.)

Win8 Metro is probably a good portent of what to
expect with Win10. It's likely people will have to get
a "Microsoft ID", allow Microsoft total control and
access, which also means fullscale spying, as well
as restrictions on what one can install/use/buy. It's
hard to guess how they might integrate that with
computers that are actually used to do anything more
than shop and play games. Maybe they'll show ads.
Maybe they'll just "sell you down the river" to marketers
and data miners. But one way or the other, you can
be sure they intend to make more money on you by
giving it away free than they do by selling it. Otherwise
they wouldn't be doing it.


Realistically, I wonder how much MSFT actually makes from selling
upgrades, at least to the home market. I doubt it's a core of
their revenue stream. I haven't paid for an upgrade in probably 15 years.
I probably paid for one upgrade ever. I think most people are
in that boat too. You get an OS with the PC when you buy it, do
whatever free upgrades there are and that's it. The upgrades never
offered anything compelling enough to justify the price. And by
the time they do, you probably are ready for new hardware too.



I don't know what the ratio of corporate upgrades is to personal but I
believe they get a more expensive platform, e.g. Windows XP NT which is
on a computer owned by a company I consult for. They are also slow to
upgrade as while US branch is on Windows 7, UK still has machines on XP.

Whatever reason MS is out to maximize its profits and market share and
they have to compete against free OS's and free upgrades.

On 1/21/2015 2:17 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free.


There is no such thing as a free lunch. What does Microsoft get out of
all of this?
Articles claim Microsoft is now looking at Windows 10 as a Service. What
does that mean? To me it might mean it will be just another way to suck
up info on what you do with your Windows device up to a mothership in
the cloud, that mothership analyzing that data and selling it to the
highest bidders, perhaps targeting you for custom ads, like the
robocalls on the phone you get when you sit down for dinner.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:29:01 -0500, Steve Stone
wrote:

Articles claim Microsoft is now looking at Windows 10 as a Service. What
does that mean? To me it might mean it will be just another way to suck
up info on what you do with your Windows device up to a mothership in
the cloud, that mothership analyzing that data and selling it to the
highest bidders, perhaps targeting you for custom ads, like the
robocalls on the phone you get when you sit down for dinner.

We're all gonna die! Hands Up - Don't Shoot.

On 1/22/2015 2:29 PM, Steve Stone wrote:
On 1/21/2015 2:17 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free.


There is no such thing as a free lunch. What does Microsoft get out of
all of this?
Articles claim Microsoft is now looking at Windows 10 as a Service. What
does that mean?

I can see a few reasons. One is market share. They want to rule the OS
market and this will give them a boost.

The other is a service provider. My guess is they will have some "pay
for" options. Want cloud storage? Want certain add-ons? They already
have a version of Office that you pay by monthly fee so there may be
more of that.

Maybe they really do just want to treat us all to a free lunch. They
also want world dominance, but that is a minor point you don't have to
bother yourself with.

On 1/22/2015 2:29 PM, Steve Stone wrote:
highest bidders, perhaps targeting you for custom ads, like the
robocalls on the phone you get when you sit down for dinner.


I never, ever, ever buy from spam callers.
Try to keep em on the line as long as
possible, so they don't go bother some
one else. Must be someone is buying,
they keep coming on.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 3:25:30 PM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/22/2015 2:29 PM, Steve Stone wrote:
highest bidders, perhaps targeting you for custom ads, like the
robocalls on the phone you get when you sit down for dinner.


I never, ever, ever buy from spam callers.
Try to keep em on the line as long as
possible, so they don't go bother some
one else. Must be someone is buying,
they keep coming on.

-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
.

I was thinking of trying Linux as the OS for my home computer after I retire and have time to fool around with that sort of thing. Anyone on here use Linux?

Paul

Pavel314 writes:
I was thinking of trying Linux as the OS for my home computer after I
retire and have time to fool around with that sort of thing. Anyone on
here use Linux?

Yep lots of people.

Real easy to try, and the price is right.
Plus some very cool apps.
Many of us use Linux only.

--
Dan Espen

Dan Espen writes:
Pavel314 writes:
I was thinking of trying Linux as the OS for my home computer after I
retire and have time to fool around with that sort of thing. Anyone on
here use Linux?

Yep lots of people.

Real easy to try, and the price is right.
Plus some very cool apps.
Many of us use Linux only.

Yup. 100% linux. I even have my Dad (76 this summer) converted
from windows to Ubuntu. He's very happy with it (the windows
system had a dozen infections by the time we replaced it).

I use puppy linux. Way faster and more stable than windows.:-)

|I use puppy linux. Way faster and more stable than windows.:-)

"Way faster"? Is there something you find unusably
slow on Windows? I ask because I think speed is
vastly overrated, due to a long history of marketing.
People even talk about browser speed, and the browser
companies encourage it by running tests and trying to
beat each other out with page load times. But a slow
webpage load is usually due to a slow server, a slow
Internet, or a bloated and badly designed webpage.
Choice of browser has little to do with it.

Speed hasn't really been an issue since the late 90s
when CPUs got up to about 500 MHz, unless you're
someone who edits video or giant photos. Then speed
is about getting more RAM.

While a Windows
PC with a lot of junk installed can be very slow (I've
seen XP systems that move like molasses), in
general there's no problem with Windows. I'm running
XP right now, on a home made box that's nothing
fancy. I bought one of the cheapest CPUs about 2
years ago. Yet virtually everything I do is instant, at
least as far as my human perception can tell. I don't
think that even the super-duperest Linux can beat
instant.

Which is not to say I'm against Linux. I just hate to
see people spend money needlessly. And Linux is not
"free" if it takes new hardware and/or lots of time to
set it up. There's also a serious lack of software, despite
what some Linux fans will say. (GIMP is still not a very
good image editor, after 15+ years in development. WINE
is still not a solution, after 15+ years in development
and a ridiculous 10-day update cycle.)

I've seen an awfully
lot of people throw away perfectly good computers because
they started to run a bit slow and the people were told
by others that their PC had "got old", or that the OS was
somehow "outdated". I have some of those PCs now.
I clean them up and save them for people who might
need one.

Pavel314 wrote:

I was thinking of trying Linux as the OS for my home computer after I
retire and have time to fool around with that sort of thing. Anyone on
here use Linux?

Yup, for the last 20 years or so. Ubuntu is very easy to install and plays
well. You no longer need to be a geek to get it up and running and except
for some specialized applications there is a similar Linux program.

Steve Stone wrote:

On 1/21/2015 2:17 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Want Windows 10? You got it: for free.


There is no such thing as a free lunch. What does Microsoft get out of
all of this?
Articles claim Microsoft is now looking at Windows 10 as a Service. What
does that mean? To me it might mean it will be just another way to suck
up info on what you do with your Windows device up to a mothership in
the cloud, that mothership analyzing that data and selling it to the
highest bidders, perhaps targeting you for custom ads, like the
robocalls on the phone you get when you sit down for dinner.

What M$ gets out of it is usage share. Developers don't develop for an
unpopular OS like the Windows Phone or Windows 8. Microsoft has begged for
people to write apps for the Windows Store but the store still looks like
that mall that went out of business last year.

Enterprise customers will buy Office and so forth but the consumers aren't
going to buy a machine that has a limited amount of software available and
software developers aren't going to write for machines with a limited number
of users. You've got to break the cycle somehow and giving free upgrades is
what they hope will do the trick.

On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:17:51 -0600, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

Want Windows 10? You got it: for free. This is a sea change in
Microsoft's strategy when it comes to upgrades. Gratis upgrades will
be available for Windows 7, 8.1 and even Windows Phone 8.1 users for a
full year.

http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-f...ear-1680771504

Me thinks this is Much Ado About Nothing. I am running Windows 7 and I
don't like it. I hated 95 and 98 was just as bad. 2000 was an
improvement but still sucked. I would be running Linux except one
program I use, Pro-Engineer, has discontinued Linux support for their
product two versions earlier than what I have. So I am pretty much
stuck with Windows.

A free upgrade to 10 is like winning first place in a contest and
getting an all expense paid, one week vacation to Cleveland, Ohio.
Second place is a two week vacation to Cleveland, Ohio.

Apparently Microsoft is feeling the heat.

On 01/22/2015 04:50 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
I would be running Linux except one
program I use, Pro-Engineer, has discontinued Linux support for their
product two versions earlier than what I have. So I am pretty much
stuck with Windows.

That sucks.

Does Pro E run in Wine?

Have you though of running Pro E from a virtual machine?