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Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
Un-flipping-believable.
Toilet in Kitchen - yes, it's functional. Yes, it blocks access to the drawers and the sink base. No, we didn't "test" it. http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle...287621531.html More crazy kludges at https://plus.google.com/+Structuretech1/posts |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
"Moe DeLoughan" wrote in message
... Un-flipping-believable. Toilet in Kitchen - yes, it's functional. Yes, it blocks access to the drawers and the sink base. No, we didn't "test" it. http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle...287621531.html More crazy kludges at https://plus.google.com/+Structuretech1/posts Having a ****ter in the pantry is a good idea when you can't make it to the bath. |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
On Monday, January 12, 2015 at 10:19:06 AM UTC-5, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Un-flipping-believable. Toilet in Kitchen - yes, it's functional. Yes, it blocks access to the drawers and the sink base. No, we didn't "test" it. http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle...287621531.html More crazy kludges at https://plus.google.com/+Structuretech1/posts The toilet one, if it's real, IMO is by far the winner. I liked the caulked new shingles across the whole roof in the second link too. The urinal and sink in an unfinished basement, they look properly installed. Probably a code violation to have them in an unfinished space, not in a bathroom enclosure, I guess. |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
On 1/13/2015 9:03 AM, trader_4 wrote:
The urinal and sink in an unfinished basement, they look properly installed. Probably a code violation to have them in an unfinished space, not in a bathroom enclosure, I guess. Saves ****ing in the sink. Enclosure aside, looks like a hand setup for guys. |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 06:03:38 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: The urinal and sink in an unfinished basement, they look properly installed. Probably a code violation to have them in an unfinished space, not in a bathroom enclosure, I guess. If that's a code violation, then there are millions of them around the country. I've seen many basement toilets in private homes that have no walls around them. Back in the mid 1900's that was a popular thing to do. The key word is "PRIVATE HOME". In a commercial building, there would be rules, but for obvious reasons. |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 3:23:11 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 06:03:38 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: The urinal and sink in an unfinished basement, they look properly installed. Probably a code violation to have them in an unfinished space, not in a bathroom enclosure, I guess. If that's a code violation, then there are millions of them around the country. I've seen many basement toilets in private homes that have no walls around them. Back in the mid 1900's that was a popular thing to do. The key word is "PRIVATE HOME". In a commercial building, there would be rules, but for obvious reasons. Can't say that I've ever seen a toilet in a basement without it being in a bathroom, ie with walls and a door. Seems mighty strange to me. Not as strange as the one in the kitchen, but still very strange. Whether it's a code violation would likely depend on when it was done. If it was done in the mid 1900s, then it might be OK. The pic though was of a modern one. I just pulled up NJ code, which like most states follows IRC, and it says: "Such water closet, lavatory, bathtub shall be contained in a room or rooms which are separated from all other rooms by walls, doors or partitions that afford privacy....." nuff said Beyond that, there are reqts for ventilation or window, electrical outlet location, etc. I didn't even see an electrical outlet in sight in the pic of the urinal. So my vote is it's a big fail. |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
On 1/13/2015 3:50 PM, trader_4 wrote:
Whether it's a code violation would likely depend on when it was done. If it was done in the mid 1900s, then it might be OK. The pic though was of a modern one. I just pulled up NJ code, which like most states follows IRC, and it says: "Such water closet, lavatory, bathtub shall be contained in a room or rooms which are separated from all other rooms by walls, doors or partitions that afford privacy....." nuff said Beyond that, there are reqts for ventilation or window, electrical outlet location, etc. I didn't even see an electrical outlet in sight in the pic of the urinal. So my vote is it's a big fail. It is enclosed. It is a very large 20 x 28" lavatory. Hey, stop putting all that stuff in my bathroom! I'm sure it does not comply with code, but that should only come into play if the house is sold. As a homeowner, I should be able to pee any way I like in my own home. |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 3:23:11 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 06:03:38 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: The urinal and sink in an unfinished basement, they look properly installed. Probably a code violation to have them in an unfinished space, not in a bathroom enclosure, I guess. If that's a code violation, then there are millions of them around the country. I've seen many basement toilets in private homes that have no walls around them. Back in the mid 1900's that was a popular thing to do. The key word is "PRIVATE HOME". In a commercial building, there would be rules, but for obvious reasons. Can't say that I've ever seen a toilet in a basement without it being in a bathroom, ie with walls and a door. Seems mighty strange to me. Not as strange as the one in the kitchen, but still very strange. Whether it's a code violation would likely depend on when it was done. If it was done in the mid 1900s, then it might be OK. The pic though was of a modern one. I just pulled up NJ code, which like most states follows IRC, and it says: "Such water closet, lavatory, bathtub shall be contained in a room or rooms which are separated from all other rooms by walls, doors or partitions that afford privacy....." nuff said Beyond that, there are reqts for ventilation or window, electrical outlet location, etc. I didn't even see an electrical outlet in sight in the pic of the urinal. So my vote is it's a big fail. A Pittsburgh toilet in the basement was common for dirty mill and mining workers to come in and clean up before going upstairs. No walls around toilet. Greg |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
gregz wrote:
trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 3:23:11 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 06:03:38 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: The urinal and sink in an unfinished basement, they look properly installed. Probably a code violation to have them in an unfinished space, not in a bathroom enclosure, I guess. If that's a code violation, then there are millions of them around the country. I've seen many basement toilets in private homes that have no walls around them. Back in the mid 1900's that was a popular thing to do. The key word is "PRIVATE HOME". In a commercial building, there would be rules, but for obvious reasons. Can't say that I've ever seen a toilet in a basement without it being in a bathroom, ie with walls and a door. Seems mighty strange to me. Not as strange as the one in the kitchen, but still very strange. Whether it's a code violation would likely depend on when it was done. If it was done in the mid 1900s, then it might be OK. The pic though was of a modern one. I just pulled up NJ code, which like most states follows IRC, and it says: "Such water closet, lavatory, bathtub shall be contained in a room or rooms which are separated from all other rooms by walls, doors or partitions that afford privacy....." nuff said Beyond that, there are reqts for ventilation or window, electrical outlet location, etc. I didn't even see an electrical outlet in sight in the pic of the urinal. So my vote is it's a big fail. A Pittsburgh toilet in the basement was common for dirty mill and mining workers to come in and clean up before going upstairs. No walls around toilet. Greg http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_toilet Greg |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
gregz wrote:
gregz wrote: trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 3:23:11 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 06:03:38 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: The urinal and sink in an unfinished basement, they look properly installed. Probably a code violation to have them in an unfinished space, not in a bathroom enclosure, I guess. If that's a code violation, then there are millions of them around the country. I've seen many basement toilets in private homes that have no walls around them. Back in the mid 1900's that was a popular thing to do. The key word is "PRIVATE HOME". In a commercial building, there would be rules, but for obvious reasons. Can't say that I've ever seen a toilet in a basement without it being in a bathroom, ie with walls and a door. Seems mighty strange to me. Not as strange as the one in the kitchen, but still very strange. Whether it's a code violation would likely depend on when it was done. If it was done in the mid 1900s, then it might be OK. The pic though was of a modern one. I just pulled up NJ code, which like most states follows IRC, and it says: "Such water closet, lavatory, bathtub shall be contained in a room or rooms which are separated from all other rooms by walls, doors or partitions that afford privacy....." nuff said Beyond that, there are reqts for ventilation or window, electrical outlet location, etc. I didn't even see an electrical outlet in sight in the pic of the urinal. So my vote is it's a big fail. A Pittsburgh toilet in the basement was common for dirty mill and mining workers to come in and clean up before going upstairs. No walls around toilet. Greg http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_toilet Greg I remember my grandfather coming home from the mine, all black. Grandmother would heat up water on the coal stove, heat up the galvanized tub placed in kitchen. That's how they did it early 50s. No interior bathroom. Greg |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:26:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
It is enclosed. It is a very large 20 x 28" lavatory. Hey, stop putting all that stuff in my bathroom! I'm sure it does not comply with code, but that should only come into play if the house is sold. As a homeowner, I should be able to pee any way I like in my own home. I agree, but just think of the horror if your wife came down into into basement at the exact same time you were peeing. She would see your dick, and scream, and go into a state of shock. Then she would have to be transported to a hospital and given large amounts of drugs for several weeks, to recover from the shock........ As you can see, your building code is there to protect your wife from seeing your dick! That proves that the government knows best, and without them, our whole existance on this planet would soon cease! :) Be sure to thank them! |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
On 1/14/2015 12:21 AM, gregz wrote:
gregz wrote: trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 3:23:11 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 06:03:38 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: The urinal and sink in an unfinished basement, they look properly installed. Probably a code violation to have them in an unfinished space, not in a bathroom enclosure, I guess. If that's a code violation, then there are millions of them around the country. I've seen many basement toilets in private homes that have no walls around them. Back in the mid 1900's that was a popular thing to do. The key word is "PRIVATE HOME". In a commercial building, there would be rules, but for obvious reasons. Can't say that I've ever seen a toilet in a basement without it being in a bathroom, ie with walls and a door. Seems mighty strange to me. Not as strange as the one in the kitchen, but still very strange. Whether it's a code violation would likely depend on when it was done. If it was done in the mid 1900s, then it might be OK. The pic though was of a modern one. I just pulled up NJ code, which like most states follows IRC, and it says: "Such water closet, lavatory, bathtub shall be contained in a room or rooms which are separated from all other rooms by walls, doors or partitions that afford privacy....." nuff said Beyond that, there are reqts for ventilation or window, electrical outlet location, etc. I didn't even see an electrical outlet in sight in the pic of the urinal. So my vote is it's a big fail. A Pittsburgh toilet in the basement was common for dirty mill and mining workers to come in and clean up before going upstairs. No walls around toilet. Greg http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_toilet Beat me to it. I live in the Midwest, but this setup was common in my neighborhood in the 1960s (homes built in the 1940s-50s). I remember how taken aback I was as a kid the first time I went into a neighbor's basement and saw a toilet just sitting right out there. My uncle hung a shower curtain on a U-shaped frame around his basement toilet. This was back in the days when a 2 or 3 bedroom, 1 bath home was standard. Second baths and wall-to-wall carpeting were both unheard of luxuries. |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 9:26:41 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/13/2015 3:50 PM, trader_4 wrote: Whether it's a code violation would likely depend on when it was done. If it was done in the mid 1900s, then it might be OK. The pic though was of a modern one. I just pulled up NJ code, which like most states follows IRC, and it says: "Such water closet, lavatory, bathtub shall be contained in a room or rooms which are separated from all other rooms by walls, doors or partitions that afford privacy....." nuff said Beyond that, there are reqts for ventilation or window, electrical outlet location, etc. I didn't even see an electrical outlet in sight in the pic of the urinal. So my vote is it's a big fail. It is enclosed. It is a very large 20 x 28" lavatory. Hey, stop putting all that stuff in my bathroom! I'm sure it does not comply with code, but that should only come into play if the house is sold. As a homeowner, I should be able to pee any way I like in my own home. Maybe you should be able to, but a code violation is a code violation whether you sell the house or not. I agree, you're almost certainly not going to get caught on it or have to do anything about it until it's sold though. But imagine some other code violation, that ultimately caused a fire or something that burned down the house, killed someone, etc. That could have legal repercussions. |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
On 1/14/2015 8:15 AM, trader_4 wrote:
I'm sure it does not comply with code, but that should only come into play if the house is sold. As a homeowner, I should be able to pee any way I like in my own home. Maybe you should be able to, but a code violation is a code violation whether you sell the house or not. I agree, you're almost certainly not going to get caught on it or have to do anything about it until it's sold though. But imagine some other code violation, that ultimately caused a fire or something that burned down the house, killed someone, etc. That could have legal repercussions. Reading the code as was posted, you could argue it complies as I said. It is just a really big enclosure. Safety code violations such as wiring or gas piping can take lives and damage property. No arguing there. The addition of a urinal does not threaten lives. It is not a requirement to have in the house, just a convenience. Assuming properly connected, of course. Using it in a relatively open area is a personal decision. If you want privacy, there is another bathroom. |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 4:36:45 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/14/2015 8:15 AM, trader_4 wrote: I'm sure it does not comply with code, but that should only come into play if the house is sold. As a homeowner, I should be able to pee any way I like in my own home. Maybe you should be able to, but a code violation is a code violation whether you sell the house or not. I agree, you're almost certainly not going to get caught on it or have to do anything about it until it's sold though. But imagine some other code violation, that ultimately caused a fire or something that burned down the house, killed someone, etc. That could have legal repercussions. Reading the code as was posted, you could argue it complies as I said. It is just a really big enclosure. You could argue that with the inspector if you like. I think you would lose. The home inspector weighed in with his opinion. If it was common, accepted, OK, IDT he would put it on his list of blatant code violation examples. Safety code violations such as wiring or gas piping can take lives and damage property. No arguing there. There are volumes of codes that are enforced every day that have nothing to do with lives and propery damage. The addition of a urinal does not threaten lives. It is not a requirement to have in the house, just a convenience. Assuming properly connected, of course. Using it in a relatively open area is a personal decision. If you want privacy, there is another bathroom. Cool, so put a urinal or toilet in the living room. See what the inspector says about that. |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:26:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
It is enclosed. It is a very large 20 x 28" lavatory. Hey, stop putting all that stuff in my bathroom! You might need a bathroom that LARGE for storing all the toilet paper needed! :) After all, you never know when there will be a shortage of toilet paper, because some asshole gets greedy, and hoardes it all! :) Tell THIS to the building inspector. I bet he would be lost for words! |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
On 1/14/2015 7:01 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:26:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote: It is enclosed. It is a very large 20 x 28" lavatory. Hey, stop putting all that stuff in my bathroom! You might need a bathroom that LARGE for storing all the toilet paper needed! :) After all, you never know when there will be a shortage of toilet paper, because some asshole gets greedy, and hoardes it all! :) Tell THIS to the building inspector. I bet he would be lost for words! Fire at the Clappington plant, in Southern California. That was in the news years ago, Jerry Simonreid reported on it. http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...m#.VLcTDMnWcXs BTW, believe it or not, I'm the author of that. One bored evening. I know; no one believes me. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
Toilet in the kitchen and other home inspection follies
Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 1/14/2015 12:21 AM, gregz wrote: gregz wrote: trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, January 13, 2015 at 3:23:11 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 06:03:38 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: The urinal and sink in an unfinished basement, they look properly installed. Probably a code violation to have them in an unfinished space, not in a bathroom enclosure, I guess. If that's a code violation, then there are millions of them around the country. I've seen many basement toilets in private homes that have no walls around them. Back in the mid 1900's that was a popular thing to do. The key word is "PRIVATE HOME". In a commercial building, there would be rules, but for obvious reasons. Can't say that I've ever seen a toilet in a basement without it being in a bathroom, ie with walls and a door. Seems mighty strange to me. Not as strange as the one in the kitchen, but still very strange. Whether it's a code violation would likely depend on when it was done. If it was done in the mid 1900s, then it might be OK. The pic though was of a modern one. I just pulled up NJ code, which like most states follows IRC, and it says: "Such water closet, lavatory, bathtub shall be contained in a room or rooms which are separated from all other rooms by walls, doors or partitions that afford privacy....." nuff said Beyond that, there are reqts for ventilation or window, electrical outlet location, etc. I didn't even see an electrical outlet in sight in the pic of the urinal. So my vote is it's a big fail. A Pittsburgh toilet in the basement was common for dirty mill and mining workers to come in and clean up before going upstairs. No walls around toilet. Greg http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_toilet Beat me to it. I live in the Midwest, but this setup was common in my neighborhood in the 1960s (homes built in the 1940s-50s). I remember how taken aback I was as a kid the first time I went into a neighbor's basement and saw a toilet just sitting right out there. My uncle hung a shower curtain on a U-shaped frame around his basement toilet. This was back in the days when a 2 or 3 bedroom, 1 bath home was standard. Second baths and wall-to-wall carpeting were both unheard of luxuries. Also reminds me if the first barracks I stayed the night entering army at ft. Dix. Bathroom had an open line of toilets, no walls. Glad it was only one night. Greg |
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