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Video Shows Kids Shocked In Hialeah Pool
Miami, FL
"...The video shows a little girl touch the hand railing and immediately she is shocked. Her father quickly reacts, getting shocked himself as he pulls her out. Her body appears lifeless. As the pool empties out, one child is still attached to the railing unable to move. Electricity makes your muscles contract which means you can’t move. That becomes quite clear when Freddie Cabrera enters the video. He reaches in for his granddaughter Daniella. As he touches her, he feels a charge which causes him to fall back as he’s pulling her out. His quick reaction may have saved her life." [...] "Thus far a preliminary investigation has pointed to unconnected ground wires in the pool pump house. The wires are supposed to take electrical charges to the ground, away from the pool. Crime scene photos show the wires hanging in the air rather than heading toward the ground." https://tinyurl.com/p6yhpny http://preview.tinyurl.com/p6yhpny Three children were briefly hospitalized after the incident, which occurred at an apartment complex. |
Video Shows Kids Shocked In Hialeah Pool
On 05/23/2014 04:05 PM, Oren wrote:
Crime scene photos show the wires hanging in the air rather than heading toward the ground." http://preview.tinyurl.com/p6yhpny I'm guessing the last guy in that electrical panel was not a licensed electrician. |
Video Shows Kids Shocked In Hialeah Pool
On Fri, 23 May 2014 16:36:01 -0400, Jab Yarbrough
wrote: On 05/23/2014 04:05 PM, Oren wrote: Crime scene photos show the wires hanging in the air rather than heading toward the ground." http://preview.tinyurl.com/p6yhpny I'm guessing the last guy in that electrical panel was not a licensed electrician. My take was the motor in the "pump house" was not bonded to the grounding rod. I'd guess they changed a motor and did not bond it to ground? |
Video Shows Kids Shocked In Hialeah Pool
On 5/23/2014 4:36 PM, Jab Yarbrough wrote:
On 05/23/2014 04:05 PM, Oren wrote: Crime scene photos show the wires hanging in the air rather than heading toward the ground." http://preview.tinyurl.com/p6yhpny I'm guessing the last guy in that electrical panel was not a licensed electrician. If he is, he may not be for much longer. |
Video Shows Kids Shocked In Hialeah Pool
On Friday, May 23, 2014 4:50:44 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2014 16:36:01 -0400, Jab Yarbrough wrote: On 05/23/2014 04:05 PM, Oren wrote: Crime scene photos show the wires hanging in the air rather than heading toward the ground." http://preview.tinyurl.com/p6yhpny I'm guessing the last guy in that electrical panel was not a licensed electrician. My take was the motor in the "pump house" was not bonded to the grounding rod. I'd guess they changed a motor and did not bond it to ground? All the metal that's around the pool, like that metal handrail, the pool deck, and all the metal of the pool equipment, eg pumps, heaters, etc are supposed to be bonded together. But there would have to be more than just not bonding the motor to cause this. Code now requires new pumps to be on GFCI too, which could help prevent things like this. That outdoor box with all the wires hanging out looks like a good place to start looking..... If it was like that before the accident, whoever was responsible for just operating the pool, the property manager, etc should have known enough to call an electrician. Clearly that itself was an obvious danger, even if it didn't shock someone in the pool itself. They are very lucky they didn't get killed. |
Video Shows Kids Shocked In Hialeah Pool
On 5/23/2014 4:36 PM, Jab Yarbrough wrote:
I'm guessing the last guy in that electrical panel was not a licensed electrician. After considerable thought, I think there is some merit in that view. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
Video Shows Kids Shocked In Hialeah Pool
On Fri, 23 May 2014 13:05:35 -0700, Oren wrote:
Miami, FL "...The video shows a little girl touch the hand railing and immediately she is shocked. Her father quickly reacts, getting shocked himself as he pulls her out. Her body appears lifeless. As the pool empties out, one child is still attached to the railing unable to move. Electricity makes your muscles contract which means you can’t move. That becomes quite clear when Freddie Cabrera enters the video. He reaches in for his granddaughter Daniella. As he touches her, he feels a charge which causes him to fall back as he’s pulling her out. His quick reaction may have saved her life." [...] Yeah, I saw this on TV. One man's arm flew up when he first tried to grab a kid. They weren't all one incident, I don't think, and you have to give these guys credit, one of them a stranger or at least not family, for not being so frightened of something one should be at least somewhat frightened of. It reminded me of trying to remove a spark plug wire while a car is running. It's really hard to do at first, but get's easier the more times you try, both in those 3 minutes, and I think cumulatively over the years. I don't know if my nevves just don't respond as much, or if I reach for the wire with greater expectation of the shock and greater determination to ignore it. "Thus far a preliminary investigation has pointed to unconnected ground wires in the pool pump house. The wires are supposed to take electrical charges to the ground, away from the pool. Crime scene photos show the wires hanging in the air rather than heading toward the ground." https://tinyurl.com/p6yhpny http://preview.tinyurl.com/p6yhpny Three children were briefly hospitalized after the incident, which occurred at an apartment complex. |
Video Shows Kids Shocked In Hialeah Pool
On 05/23/2014 07:55 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 5/23/2014 4:36 PM, Jab Yarbrough wrote: I'm guessing the last guy in that electrical panel was not a licensed electrician. After considerable thought, I think there is some merit in that view. I know what I'm doing. I been doing electric work since I was 3 years old. I don't need no stinkin' electrical permit or inspection. It's just a money grab. |
Video Shows Kids Shocked In Hialeah Pool
"Jab Yarbrough" wrote in message eb.com... I'm guessing the last guy in that electrical panel was not a licensed electrician. I know a licensed electrician and I would not let him change the battery in a one cell flashlight. |
Video Shows Kids Shocked In Hialeah Pool
Per Ralph Mowery:
I know a licensed electrician and I would not let him change the battery in a one cell flashlight. I'd say almost the same thing about the guy who installed 120v AC to our garden shed last year. I actually felt sorry for the guy. -- Pete Cresswell |
Video Shows Kids Shocked In Hialeah Pool
On 5/24/2014 10:34 AM, Jack Legg wrote:
I know what I'm doing. I been doing electric work since I was 3 years old. I don't need no stinkin' electrical permit or inspection. It's just a money grab. I'm shocked at you. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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Oren posted for all of us...
And I know how to SNIP Miami, FL "...The video shows a little girl touch the hand railing and immediately she is shocked. Her father quickly reacts, getting shocked himself as he pulls her out. Her body appears lifeless. As the pool empties out, one child is still attached to the railing unable to move. Electricity makes your muscles contract which means you can?t move. That becomes quite clear when Freddie Cabrera enters the video. He reaches in for his granddaughter Daniella. As he touches her, he feels a charge which causes him to fall back as he?s pulling her out. His quick reaction may have saved her life." [...] "Thus far a preliminary investigation has pointed to unconnected ground wires in the pool pump house. The wires are supposed to take electrical charges to the ground, away from the pool. Crime scene photos show the wires hanging in the air rather than heading toward the ground." https://tinyurl.com/p6yhpny http://preview.tinyurl.com/p6yhpny Three children were briefly hospitalized after the incident, which occurred at an apartment complex. Ping Greg Fretwell his line of expertise. I got the impression they threw the inspectors under the bus. If they inspected and passed it who can say the jackleg asshole that did this 5 minutes after they left? i hope something good comes out of this. The caretakers are to be commended for actually paying attention to the kids. Stories around here don't usually end this way; the caretakers are absent or on drugs, etc. -- Tekkie |
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On Sunday, May 25, 2014 5:15:41 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014 00:20:35 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 24 May 2014 20:51:29 -0400, Tekkie� wrote: Oren posted for all of us... And I know how to SNIP Miami, FL "...The video shows a little girl touch the hand railing and immediately she is shocked. Her father quickly reacts, getting shocked himself as he pulls her out. Her body appears lifeless. As the pool empties out, one child is still attached to the railing unable to move. Electricity makes your muscles contract which means you can?t move. That becomes quite clear when Freddie Cabrera enters the video. He reaches in for his granddaughter Daniella. As he touches her, he feels a charge which causes him to fall back as he?s pulling her out. His quick reaction may have saved her life." [...] "Thus far a preliminary investigation has pointed to unconnected ground wires in the pool pump house. The wires are supposed to take electrical charges to the ground, away from the pool. Crime scene photos show the wires hanging in the air rather than heading toward the ground." https://tinyurl.com/p6yhpny http://preview.tinyurl.com/p6yhpny Three children were briefly hospitalized after the incident, which occurred at an apartment complex. Ping Greg Fretwell his line of expertise. I got the impression they threw the inspectors under the bus. If they inspected and passed it who can say the jackleg asshole that did this 5 minutes after they left? i hope something good comes out of this. The caretakers are to be commended for actually paying attention to the kids. Stories around here don't usually end this way; the caretakers are absent or on drugs, etc. How could you tell if these were the assigned lifeguards? I thought they were fathers, or in one case just a guy. When I was 19 and we were at a motel, I jumped in the pool and again dislocated my shoulder. I was okay paddling to the edge of the pool with one arm, but my step-father noticed and was trying to help me. The lifeguard in the little pool was in his chair and gave no evidence of goofing off, but he didn't notice anything. (I didnt' ask for help, though. If I'd been below the surface or asking for help, he likely would have noticed.) At a condo I lived at back in the 80's, a girl about 6 drowned in the pool. She was there with her grandmother and siblings. There was a lifeguard on duty and lots of other people at the pool. No one saw anything, until it was too late. I suspect the siblings were probably screwing around and did something to contribute to it, but no one knows for sure. You would think in situtation like that, even if something bad happened, there would be an excellent chance of reviving the person, because they were still on it very quickly, but sadly not in that case. |
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 06:06:19 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: At a condo I lived at back in the 80's, a girl about 6 drowned in the pool. She was there with her grandmother and siblings. There was a lifeguard on duty and lots of other people at the pool. No one saw anything, until it was too late. I suspect the siblings were probably screwing around and did something to contribute to it, but no one knows for sure. You would think in situtation like that, even if something bad happened, there would be an excellent chance of reviving the person, because they were still on it very quickly, but sadly not in that case. After this incident, a doctor in the news was suggesting having a Defibrillator in the pool area. I don't know what legal ramifications could come about because of a person not being trained. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defibrillation A Good Samaritan has been sued for exposing a breast, saving a woman's life. Don't recall how that worked out. |
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 13:40:42 -0700, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014 06:06:19 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: At a condo I lived at back in the 80's, a girl about 6 drowned in the pool. She was there with her grandmother and siblings. There was a lifeguard on duty and lots of other people at the pool. No one saw anything, until it was too late. I suspect the siblings were probably screwing around and did something to contribute to it, but no one knows for sure. You would think in situtation like that, even if something bad happened, there would be an excellent chance of reviving the person, because they were still on it very quickly, but sadly not in that case. I hear competing stories about CPR being rarely helpful (I've only heard this one once) and of it often being a true lifesaver. After this incident, a doctor in the news was suggesting having a Defibrillator in the pool area. I don't know what legal ramifications could come about because of a person not being trained. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defibrillation A Good Samaritan has been sued for exposing a breast, saving a woman's life. Don't recall how that worked out. That's a lot of nerve. But these outragious stories spread fast and might have more merit than they sound, and probably are much rarer than they seem. I think all states have good samaritan laws which require a high level of negligence before a volunteer is liable. But the opposing problem, legal or not, is that when one person starts to help, often others who know more won't. If the guy's wearing a tie, onlookers may think he's a doctor and a much better skilled person might wait quietly, waiting to see what happens, by which time it's too late. Perhaps a loud expression of how little training one has before he starts to help would alleviate some of that. I also wonder about times when there is no fire but they pull people out of wrecks, people who might need back boards or neck braces, or not moved at all . Someone once posted "According to my First Aid trainer.. the last time somebody got sued in Alberta(or even Canada was many years ago, a lady at the WEM parking lot was having a heart attack or something, 2 guys with first aid training stopped to help her, did CPR and in the process had to remove her blouse and bra (she was an older lady, and in first aid we're taugh go down to skin as shirt buttons/bras can start to cut skin, theirs and yours... plus if paramedics show up and use an AED they'll have to remove the clothing anyhow) anyhow she lived and sued because they exposed her breasts to the public the judge told her to take a hike and be thank full she's alive(or something to that effect) He said the last guy to get sued and actually get crap for doing first aid was a guy with no training and he saw somebody choking so he did a trake.. when the judge asked why did he think he could do it, his answer was "I saw it on MASH" his missed and hit the corotted(sp.. you know the main artery in your neck) and the person died... But that's based on what my first aid teacher guy said.. " And in the movies, they always lift someone's head up. If he's losing blood, for example, isn't he better off with his head as low as the rest of his body, so it gets as much blood as possible? |
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Video Shows Kids Shocked In Hialeah Pool Ping Greg Fretwell
On Mon, 26 May 2014 10:02:55 -0400, micky
wrote: I think all states have good samaritan laws which require a high level of negligence before a volunteer is liable. But the opposing problem, legal or not, is that when one person starts to help, often others who know more won't. If the guy's wearing a tie, onlookers may think he's a doctor and a much better skilled person might wait quietly, waiting to see what happens, by which time it's too late. Perhaps a loud expression of how little training one has before he starts to help would alleviate some of that. _California Supreme Court Rules Good Samaritans Can Be Sued_ http://www.torklaw.com/2008/12/california-supreme-court-rules-good-samaritans-can-be-sued/ |
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On Monday, May 26, 2014 10:44:52 AM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2014 10:02:55 -0400, micky wrote: I think all states have good samaritan laws which require a high level of negligence before a volunteer is liable. But the opposing problem, legal or not, is that when one person starts to help, often others who know more won't. If the guy's wearing a tie, onlookers may think he's a doctor and a much better skilled person might wait quietly, waiting to see what happens, by which time it's too late. Perhaps a loud expression of how little training one has before he starts to help would alleviate some of that. _California Supreme Court Rules Good Samaritans Can Be Sued_ http://www.torklaw.com/2008/12/california-supreme-court-rules-good-samaritans-can-be-sued/ So, the message is just call 911 and don't get involved. Another classic case of what happens when loons take over the courts. Here in NJ, the state SC has been running the school system for 40 years now. Back in the 70's they managed to decide that it was unconstitutional for school districts in poorer communities to not have the same funding as schools in more affluent districts. Ever since then, the funding for those schools has been in the control of not the governor, not the legislature, not the voters, but the SC. They've perverted it so that the districts in the failing inner city neighborhoods have way *more* funding per student than students in affluent suburbs. We're paying for it with the some of the highest taxes in the country. And 40 years later the SC still actively controls it, having unconstitutionally usurped the power of the elected officials. Oh, and the kids are still just as dumb as ever, because money really isn't the problem. |
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On Mon, 26 May 2014 08:08:07 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: _California Supreme Court Rules Good Samaritans Can Be Sued_ http://www.torklaw.com/2008/12/california-supreme-court-rules-good-samaritans-can-be-sued/ So, the message is just call 911 and don't get involved. Another classic case of what happens when loons take over the courts. Here in NJ, the state SC has been running the school system for 40 years now. Back in the 70's they managed to decide that it was unconstitutional for school districts in poorer communities to not have the same funding as schools in more affluent districts. Ever since then, the funding for those schools has been in the control of not the governor, not the legislature, not the voters, but the SC. They've perverted it so that the districts in the failing inner city neighborhoods have way *more* funding per student than students in affluent suburbs. We're paying for it with the some of the highest taxes in the country. And 40 years later the SC still actively controls it, having unconstitutionally usurped the power of the elected officials. Oh, and the kids are still just as dumb as ever, because money really isn't the problem. Sad but true is that liberals think of themselves as superior thinkers, people are to stupid to manage their own lives, so they have to save you from yourself and your inferior knowledge. Its be going on in the USA for more than 100 years. A bunch of do-gooders. -- "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last" -- Winston Churchill |
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On Mon, 26 May 2014 07:44:52 -0700, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 26 May 2014 10:02:55 -0400, micky wrote: I think all states have good samaritan laws which require a high level of negligence before a volunteer is liable. But the opposing problem, legal or not, is that when one person starts to help, often others who know more won't. If the guy's wearing a tie, onlookers may think he's a doctor and a much better skilled person might wait quietly, waiting to see what happens, by which time it's too late. Perhaps a loud expression of how little training one has before he starts to help would alleviate some of that. _California Supreme Court Rules Good Samaritans Can Be Sued_ http://www.torklaw.com/2008/12/california-supreme-court-rules-good-samaritans-can-be-sued/ An article that brief is hardly worth posting, not by you but torklaw. I would expect a law firm to have someone reed the decision and give some details. Like I see in most onlline law reports from law firms. And they didn't give the name of the case or any way to find it. That's inexcusable. This makes me think they are ambulance chasers or worse. This was probably a particularly egregious case and didn't invalidate the law in most situations. Or maybe the whole thing is a lie. My HOA has a new law firm, and they publish summaries of law cases, or at least they did 3 times in 2005 and 2006, but not since then. They don't seem to look at their own webpage, because as a client, it looks worse than if they had none. (But at least the 3 summaries they did publish were better than the one from torklaw.) The rest of ther page is bad too. (I know that there is no causal relationship between a bad webpage and a bad company, but still.) Fortunately after 25 years, we finally have a new president of the HOA and they're talking about changing management companies and lawyers. I hope so. |
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On Tue, 27 May 2014 03:15:41 -0400, micky
wrote: _California Supreme Court Rules Good Samaritans Can Be Sued_ http://www.torklaw.com/2008/12/california-supreme-court-rules-good-samaritans-can-be-sued/ An article that brief is hardly worth posting, not by you but torklaw. I would expect a law firm to have someone reed the decision and give some details. Like I see in most onlline law reports from law firms. And they didn't give the name of the case or any way to find it. That's inexcusable. You make a good point. If they write a synopsis of a case, at least they should give the docket number for a reference. |
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micky posted for all of us...
And I know how to SNIP How could you tell if these were the assigned lifeguards? I thought they were fathers, or in one case just a guy. I wrote caretakers, not lifeguards. -- Tekkie |
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micky posted for all of us...
And I know how to SNIP On Sun, 25 May 2014 11:15:09 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 May 2014 05:15:41 -0400, micky wrote: How could you tell if these were the assigned lifeguards? Most of these places do not have lifeguards. In fact I am not sure I have even seen a lifeguard at a pool in Florida. They may have them at a big municipal pool but not in apartments, condos and hotels. So by caretakers you just mean whoever was there, family or by chance, and took care. The word confused me. yes, did you see the video? -- Tekkie |
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