This is my county, just north of my home. Land and grazing rights
since 1870. A land war has started... Bunkerville, NV.

Cops taze pregnant women.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/blm-takes-down-first-amendment-areas-set-cattle-roundup

Video:

Nev. rancher threatens 'range war' against federal gov't

Authorities seized Cliven Bundy's 134 cattle

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html#/v/3451342607001

....what ever it takes for freedom and liberty

Spit!

There are always folks on both the right and the left fringes!!!!

On 4/10/2014 10:09 PM, Oren wrote:
This is my county, just north of my home. Land and grazing rights
since 1870. A land war has started... Bunkerville, NV.

Cops taze pregnant women.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/blm-takes-down-first-amendment-areas-set-cattle-roundup

Video:

Nev. rancher threatens 'range war' against federal gov't

Authorities seized Cliven Bundy's 134 cattle

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html#/v/3451342607001

...what ever it takes for freedom and liberty

Spit!


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...5460514&type=1

First amendment isn't an area. It's a limit on
the power of government.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 08:33:55 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...5460514&type=1

First amendment isn't an area. It's a limit on
the power of government.

Correct. The 1st is also not limited to speech. BLM had two 25 X 25
foot areas and tried to limit only 25 protestors at a time. The
Governor told them to take them down.

This whole thing is not about grazing fees or a tortoise. This area
was not even in the original boundary when Nevada became a state and
President Lincoln grabbed 85% of the original land. The county was
still part of the New Mexico Territory. North of Clark county (East)
was still part of the Utah Territory. Settled by Mormons.

The EPA designated part of this land used by farmers as a tortoise
preserve - calling them endangered. Cows don't step on or harm the
land tortoise; nor do the step on snakes. The EPA did not site the
tortoise as a reason to remove wild Mustangs from public lands. In
fact, a tortoise refuge in Las Vegas has so many, the Feds are
euthanizing them. These were collected when developers built housing,
etc. So much for "endangered". This is about government take over and
control. Hundreds of federals, armed to the hilt, with snipers
surrounding the people.

Those yammering on about this rancher owing grazing fees, then he owes
it to Clark county or the state. Not the federals. He said he will
pay, but not pay the feds. If the feds had something on him, then
arrest him for violating the court order to remove the cows from a
tortoise preserve designated by the EPA for a non-endangered reptile.

Remember the kid in Miami, Elián González?

http://scholarsandrogues.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/elian.jpg

This mess is ticking....for a blow up if the feds don't back away
soon.

Molon labe!

On 4/12/2014 12:23 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 08:33:55 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...5460514&type=1

First amendment isn't an area. It's a limit on
the power of government.

Correct. The 1st is also not limited to speech. BLM had two 25 X 25
foot areas and tried to limit only 25 protestors at a time. The
Governor told them to take them down.

This whole thing is not about grazing fees or a tortoise. This area
was not even in the original boundary when Nevada became a state and
President Lincoln grabbed 85% of the original land. The county was
still part of the New Mexico Territory. North of Clark county (East)
was still part of the Utah Territory. Settled by Mormons.

The EPA designated part of this land used by farmers as a tortoise
preserve - calling them endangered. Cows don't step on or harm the
land tortoise; nor do the step on snakes. The EPA did not site the
tortoise as a reason to remove wild Mustangs from public lands. In
fact, a tortoise refuge in Las Vegas has so many, the Feds are
euthanizing them. These were collected when developers built housing,
etc. So much for "endangered". This is about government take over and
control. Hundreds of federals, armed to the hilt, with snipers
surrounding the people.

Those yammering on about this rancher owing grazing fees, then he owes
it to Clark county or the state. Not the federals. He said he will
pay, but not pay the feds. If the feds had something on him, then
arrest him for violating the court order to remove the cows from a
tortoise preserve designated by the EPA for a non-endangered reptile.

Remember the kid in Miami, Elián González?

http://scholarsandrogues.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/elian.jpg

This mess is ticking....for a blow up if the feds don't back away
soon.

Molon labe!

Oren, you have experience dealing with criminals. Who's displaying
criminal behavior in this instance? ^_^

TDD

On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 22:21:22 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

This mess is ticking....for a blow up if the feds don't back away
soon.

Molon labe!

Oren, you have experience dealing with criminals. Who's displaying
criminal behavior in this instance? ^_^

TDD

You get three guesses and the first two don't count.

On 4/12/2014 7:33 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/10/2014 10:09 PM, Oren wrote:
This is my county, just north of my home. Land and grazing rights
since 1870. A land war has started... Bunkerville, NV.

Cops taze pregnant women.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/blm-takes-down-first-amendment-areas-set-cattle-roundup


Video:

Nev. rancher threatens 'range war' against federal gov't

Authorities seized Cliven Bundy's 134 cattle

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html#/v/3451342607001

...what ever it takes for freedom and liberty

Spit!


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...5460514&type=1


First amendment isn't an area. It's a limit on
the power of government.

I wonder where in the hell they got those metal signs and if they got
the damn things fabricated just for the attack on civil rights? o_O

TDD

On 4/16/2014 11:19 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 4/12/2014 7:33 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...5460514&type=1



First amendment isn't an area. It's a limit on
the power of government.

I wonder where in the hell they got those metal signs and if they got
the damn things fabricated just for the attack on civil rights? o_O

TDD

You implying that the attack on our rights
had some planning, and forethought? That's
spooky thought.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I wonder where in the hell they got those metal signs and if they got
the damn things fabricated just for the attack on civil rights? o_O

Probably FCI Lompoc; you see their stamp on many FS signs.

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:54:47 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I wonder where in the hell they got those metal signs and if they got
the damn things fabricated just for the attack on civil rights? o_O

Probably FCI Lompoc; you see their stamp on many FS signs.

USP Lompoc was called a "gladiator school". I never understood why
federal penitentiaries had metal fabrication shops. It made sense
later, when it was explained the crooks were doing long term sentences
so training, retention in those jobs was easier to manage and create
better production in UNICOR/FPI.

Now Lompoc Federal Correctional Complex is expanded, Camp: FCI and the
USP.

Oren posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP


On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:54:47 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I wonder where in the hell they got those metal signs and if they got
the damn things fabricated just for the attack on civil rights? o_O

Probably FCI Lompoc; you see their stamp on many FS signs.

USP Lompoc was called a "gladiator school". I never understood why
federal penitentiaries had metal fabrication shops. It made sense
later, when it was explained the crooks were doing long term sentences
so training, retention in those jobs was easier to manage and create
better production in UNICOR/FPI.

Now Lompoc Federal Correctional Complex is expanded, Camp: FCI and the
USP.

At SCIG they have "Grey Bar Industries" make lockers and stuff, IIRC

--
Tekkie

On 4/17/2014 10:52 AM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:54:47 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

I wonder where in the hell they got those metal signs and if they
got the damn things fabricated just for the attack on civil
rights? o_O

Probably FCI Lompoc; you see their stamp on many FS signs.

USP Lompoc was called a "gladiator school". I never understood why
federal penitentiaries had metal fabrication shops. It made sense
later, when it was explained the crooks were doing long term
sentences so training, retention in those jobs was easier to manage
and create better production in UNICOR/FPI.

Now Lompoc Federal Correctional Complex is expanded, Camp: FCI and
the USP.

Kinda of reminds me of slave labor for some reason. The government deems
every crime to be a felony then imposes long prison sentences in order
to build a slave labor work force. I can't help thinking that two wars
were fought on this continent with slavery being one of the
reasons/excuses. It's interesting that many young people are given long
prison sentences for possessing plant life that grows everywhere and the
kid has never harmed another human being or done anything of a violent
nature. I suppose there is an advantage to having a slave labor force
composed of those who are not violent crazy people? ^_^

TDD

On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 22:19:06 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...5460514&type=1


First amendment isn't an area. It's a limit on
the power of government.

I wonder where in the hell they got those metal signs and if they got
the damn things fabricated just for the attack on civil rights? o_O

TDD

The signs are most likely made in federal prison UNICOR factories.
Need a wiring harness for military aircraft or tanks?

http://www.unicor.gov/

Years ago, convicts just loved a Jimmy Hoffa mattress (extra thick).
Not the thin 4" ones

Oren posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP


On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 22:19:06 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...5460514&type=1


First amendment isn't an area. It's a limit on
the power of government.

I wonder where in the hell they got those metal signs and if they got
the damn things fabricated just for the attack on civil rights? o_O

TDD

The signs are most likely made in federal prison UNICOR factories.
Need a wiring harness for military aircraft or tanks?

http://www.unicor.gov/

Years ago, convicts just loved a Jimmy Hoffa mattress (extra thick).
Not the thin 4" ones

Oren I think you need a a https:unicor.gov

--
Tekkie

On 4/17/2014 10:06 AM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 22:19:06 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...5460514&type=1




First amendment isn't an area. It's a limit on
the power of government.

I wonder where in the hell they got those metal signs and if they
got the damn things fabricated just for the attack on civil rights?
o_O

TDD

The signs are most likely made in federal prison UNICOR factories.
Need a wiring harness for military aircraft or tanks?

http://www.unicor.gov/

Years ago, convicts just loved a Jimmy Hoffa mattress (extra thick).
Not the thin 4" ones

I'm torn between having a prison system that can produce what is
required to take care of the prisoner's needs and one that is run as a
for profit organization. It's too much like slavery. As you know, a
government is going to do whatever it can get away with. ^_^

TDD

On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 19:52:14 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 4/17/2014 10:06 AM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 22:19:06 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...5460514&type=1




First amendment isn't an area. It's a limit on
the power of government.

I wonder where in the hell they got those metal signs and if they
got the damn things fabricated just for the attack on civil rights?
o_O

TDD

The signs are most likely made in federal prison UNICOR factories.
Need a wiring harness for military aircraft or tanks?

http://www.unicor.gov/

Years ago, convicts just loved a Jimmy Hoffa mattress (extra thick).
Not the thin 4" ones

I'm torn between having a prison system that can produce what is
required to take care of the prisoner's needs and one that is run as a
for profit organization. It's too much like slavery. As you know, a
government is going to do whatever it can get away with. ^_^

TDD

The private sector agreed with you years ago, IIRC they lost in court,
because the prison made products are inter-agency sales, not to the
public in competition with the private sector.

The factories do have an advantage. It keeps inmates occupied, easier
to mange and less trouble. They do get paid and get vacations.

On Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:09:31 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
This is my county, just north of my home. Land and grazing rights

since 1870. A land war has started... Bunkerville, NV.



Cops taze pregnant women.



http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/blm-takes-down-first-amendment-areas-set-cattle-roundup



Video:



Nev. rancher threatens 'range war' against federal gov't



Authorities seized Cliven Bundy's 134 cattle



http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html#/v/3451342607001



...what ever it takes for freedom and liberty



Spit!

The free loader asshole needs hog tied by US marshals and dragged off to prison.


In 1948 the Bureau of Land Management was created by executive order of President Truman to replace the Grazing Service. The Service had been defunded in a dispute between the House and the U.S. Senate. The BLM has since been affirmed by law rather than a mere executive order. It is supposed to manage the public lands for multiple uses and for sustained production (yield) of renewable resources such as grass. As before, you need a grazing permit for cattle, sheep, goats, or horses to legally graze. It is a privilege, not a right, and this has been firmly stated by the U.S. courts.

Hopefully, this explains why Bundys assertions are wrong. It is too bad that few citizens are taught public land law or history in high school or college. We think it is vital for everyone to know these things because these are in a real sense your lands, held in trust by the government. Yes we know the government often does a poor job. They did in Bundys case by letting this go for 20 years. He should have been gone before the year 2000...

On 04/17/2014 06:10 PM, Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare wrote:


The free loader asshole needs hog tied by US marshals and dragged off to prison.


In 1948 the Bureau of Land Management was created by executive order of President Truman to replace the Grazing Service. The Service had been defunded in a dispute between the House and the U.S. Senate. The BLM has since been affirmed by law rather than a mere executive order. It is supposed to manage the public lands for multiple uses and for sustained production (yield) of renewable resources such as grass. As before, you need a grazing permit for cattle, sheep, goats, or horses to legally graze. It is a privilege, not a right, and this has been firmly stated by the U.S. courts.

Hopefully, this explains why Bundys assertions are wrong. It is too bad that few citizens are taught public land law or history in high school or college. We think it is vital for everyone to know these things because these are in a real sense your lands, held in trust by the government. Yes we know the government often does a poor job. They did in Bundys case by letting this go for 20 years. He should have been gone before the year 2000...


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