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Fl murderer convicted in loud music
He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over.
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Fl murderer convicted in loud music
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On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". Should have been charged with voluntary manslaughter. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On 2/16/2014 12:45 AM, Guv Bob wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". Should have been charged with voluntary manslaughter. There is always an appeal which may not be affected by the political hysteria the race baiters have stirred up. A Negro man was acquitted of murdering a Caucasian teenager who he shot because he felt threatened.\ It happened in New Your and no one gave a frak. So I think the hapless fellow has grounds for an appeal. It was a trial by jury and there is always someone who doesn't like a jury's decision. o_O TDD |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years
with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". If the sentence is set to run concurrently then he would be given 20 years... out in 13. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On 2/15/2014 10:18 PM, Daring Dufas: Hypocrite Sock Of Killer Loon wrote:
He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. Killer Loon, how did the court case affect you personally? Are you an obnoxious DAN who plays loud salaciousness music in public and fear you may be shot by someone who asks you to turn it down? I know you're a useful idiot for the elite P.L.L.C.F. who wish to disarm the American people and you have no clue as to what will happen if those you support seize power and turn the United States into a dictatorship. I do feel sorry for you and those of your ilk who have no comprehension of what will become of America if your puppet handlers get their way. It would be funny to see you sitting in your sparsely furnished government owned apartment that's identical to what all citizens are housed in because everyone is equal and there are no more evil rich people with big lavish homes. That is, except for the elite you so vociferously support and you will be an old man sitting there in your drab government issue apartment munching on government issue Soylent that is supplied to all of the "Equal" citizens and the one thing going through your addled little brain over and over again will be "WTF!" Be careful what you wish for Killer Loon, your wish may come true. ^_^ TDD |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare wrote:
He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. What is the story about the guy he shot having a shotgun in the car? TV said that the shooter maintains that was the case, but I did not hear if that was ever introduced as evidence. Not making excuses for the guy, just looking for the facts. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Saturday, February 15, 2014 10:31:48 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". Justice is a hard subject for many to comprehend. Maybe he will roll over a flea bargain. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:17:56 AM UTC-6, Ken wrote:
Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. What is the story about the guy he shot having a shotgun in the car? TV said that the shooter maintains that was the case, but I did not hear if that was ever introduced as evidence. Not making excuses for the guy, just looking for the facts. No weapon was ever found. It was a typical red neck gun hugger lie they use to shoot first, drive away, and ask later. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 3:22:02 AM UTC-6, 83LowRider wrote:
He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". If the sentence is set to run concurrently then he would be given 20 years... out in 13. The judge will throw the book at him because of the lies told. He never manned up an accepted any responsibilty. He drove home and ordered pizza. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:31:48 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". I would agree that they should at least wait to see the actual sentence handed down. But he's most likely not going to get 60 years. The minimum is 20 years on each count and the judge could probably have them served concurrently. So, he might just be facing 20 years. Then you typically have time off for good behavior, parole, etc. He might be out in 15 if he's lucky. I didn't follow this much, but from what I see, the defendant appeared quick to open fire and to continue to fire, when there appeared to have been other options. That's why it was easy for the jury to convict him on the attempted murder charge for continuing to fire as they drove away. One part in his story that makes no sense to me is that he claims that while they were all still in their cars, as the confrontation escalated, he thought he saw a guy in the back point a shotgun out the car. So, he says he reached over to the glove compartment, got his gun and when the passenger started to get out he started firing. But he started shooting at the guy in the passenger seat, and that's the guy he killed. THAT makes no sense, does it? If you think the guy in the back seat has a shotgun, why in the world would you open fire on the guy in the passenger seat? If his buddy has a shotgun, he's in a perfect spot to blow you away. Also his behavior afterward, ie fleeing rather than sticking around suggests it wasn't a case of justified self defense. But in cases like this, unless you hear all the testimony that the jury did, see all the evidence, it's hard to sort the whole thing out. It is another sad case of how bad behavior on both sides can turn into something really bad happening. There appears to be no dispute that the black kids in the car were playing obnoxiously loud music and they started the verbal assault when he politely asked them to turn it down. That's one of the risks you run when you want to behave like that, you may run into someone equally willing to escalate and then really bad things can happen. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:13:12 AM UTC-5, Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 6:17:56 AM UTC-6, Ken wrote: Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. What is the story about the guy he shot having a shotgun in the car? TV said that the shooter maintains that was the case, but I did not hear if that was ever introduced as evidence. Not making excuses for the guy, just looking for the facts. No weapon was ever found. It was a typical red neck gun hugger lie they use to shoot first, drive away, and ask later. And if the shooter had been black and gotten into a similar confrontation over music, someone wearing the wrong color jacket, looking at someone the wrong way, etc, that happens about 1000 times more frequently, and that resulted in a shooting death, what would it be then? |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:31:35 AM UTC-6, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 2/16/2014 12:45 AM, Guv Bob wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". Should have been charged with voluntary manslaughter. There is always an appeal which may not be affected by the political hysteria the race baiters have stirred up. A Negro man was acquitted of murdering a Caucasian teenager who he shot because he felt threatened.\ It happened in New Your and no one gave a frak. So I think the hapless fellow has grounds for an appeal. It was a trial by jury and there is always someone who doesn't like a jury's decision. o_O TDD Appeals cost money .. how does one do they while serving 40 year sentence. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:42:26 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 04:22:02 -0500, "83LowRider" wrote: Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". If the sentence is set to run concurrently then he would be given 20 years... out in 13. Not in Florida. The gun charge itself is 25 to life and our law says you have to serve 85%. minimum This is the most detailed analysis I've seen of the actual convictions and possible sentences: http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/02...-most-charges/ "Detailed Charges on Which Dunn Found Guilty Among the charges of which he has been found guilty a Three counts of attempted murder in the second degree (FL §782.051) for shooting at Kevin Thompson, Leland Brunson, and Tommy Storns, the three friends with Jordan Davis in Storns' SUV Throwing a missile into an occupied vehicle (FL §790.19) for firing into the SUV in which the boys were riding. Finally, because these felonies were committed with the use of a firearm, Dunn is also subject to Florida's "10-20-Life" mandatory minimum sentencing law (FL §775.087), made infamous by the case of Marissa Alexander. Under the mandatory minimum sentencing scheme, Dunn faces mandatory minimum sentences of 20 years on each of the three counts of attempted murder and 15 years on the charge of throwing of missiles (because a gun was used Florida's "10-20-Life" statute bumps what would normally be a 2nd degree felony to a 1st degree felony) Because all the charges stem from a single set of acts, the sentences would likely be served concurrently, rather than consecutively, meaning in effect that Dunn would be sentenced to 20 years, the Florida norm. The sentencing judge has the discretion, however, to make the sentences consecutive, in which case Dunn would be looking at 75 years-effectively a life sentence for a ~40 year old. His sentencing may take place immediately, or at a separate sentencing hearing." Applying your 85% rule, still seems from the above that it's possible he could be out in 17 years, if he gets lucky. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:43:11 AM UTC-5, Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:31:35 AM UTC-6, The Daring Dufas wrote: On 2/16/2014 12:45 AM, Guv Bob wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". Should have been charged with voluntary manslaughter. There is always an appeal which may not be affected by the political hysteria the race baiters have stirred up. A Negro man was acquitted of murdering a Caucasian teenager who he shot because he felt threatened.\ It happened in New Your and no one gave a frak. So I think the hapless fellow has grounds for an appeal. It was a trial by jury and there is always someone who doesn't like a jury's decision. o_O TDD Appeals cost money .. how does one do they while serving 40 year sentence. It's called using a public defender |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 08:05:49 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:42:26 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 04:22:02 -0500, "83LowRider" wrote: Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". If the sentence is set to run concurrently then he would be given 20 years... out in 13. Not in Florida. The gun charge itself is 25 to life and our law says you have to serve 85%. minimum This is the most detailed analysis I've seen of the actual convictions and possible sentences: http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/02...-most-charges/ "Detailed Charges on Which Dunn Found Guilty Among the charges of which he has been found guilty a Three counts of attempted murder in the second degree (FL §782.051) for shooting at Kevin Thompson, Leland Brunson, and Tommy Storns, the three friends with Jordan Davis in Storns' SUV Throwing a missile into an occupied vehicle (FL §790.19) for firing into the SUV in which the boys were riding. Finally, because these felonies were committed with the use of a firearm, Dunn is also subject to Florida's "10-20-Life" mandatory minimum sentencing law (FL §775.087), made infamous by the case of Marissa Alexander. Under the mandatory minimum sentencing scheme, Dunn faces mandatory minimum sentences of 20 years on each of the three counts of attempted murder and 15 years on the charge of throwing of missiles (because a gun was used Florida's "10-20-Life" statute bumps what would normally be a 2nd degree felony to a 1st degree felony) Because all the charges stem from a single set of acts, the sentences would likely be served concurrently, rather than consecutively, meaning in effect that Dunn would be sentenced to 20 years, the Florida norm. The sentencing judge has the discretion, however, to make the sentences consecutive, in which case Dunn would be looking at 75 years-effectively a life sentence for a ~40 year old. His sentencing may take place immediately, or at a separate sentencing hearing." Applying your 85% rule, still seems from the above that it's possible he could be out in 17 years, if he gets lucky. I doubt he will be out in 17 years. The gun charges would be served consecutively to the murder charges. 10-20-Life Provisions "The law specifies exactly what categories of crimes fall under it, it mandates that offenders be sentenced to the law's maximum allowable extent for the committed felony, and that the mandatory sentences must be completed consecutively to any additional sentence an offender must serve. The law's name comes from three main mandatory sentences: 1) producing a firearm during the commission of certain felonies mandates at least a 10-year prison sentence; 2) firing one mandates at least a 20-year prison sentence; and 3) shooting someone mandates a minimum sentence of 25 years to life regardless of whether a victim is killed or simply injured. The maximum penalty is a life sentence unless the defendant is charged with felony murder or first degree murder in which case the maximum is the death penalty References [2][6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10-20-Life#Provisions See the conditions of waiver. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On 2/16/2014 9:43 AM, Daring Dufas: Hypocrite Sock Of Killer Loon wrote:
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:31:35 AM UTC-6, The Daring Dufas wrote: On 2/16/2014 12:45 AM, Guv Bob wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite Sock of Killer Loon" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". Should have been charged with voluntary manslaughter. There is always an appeal which may not be affected by the political hysteria the race baiters have stirred up. A Negro man was acquitted of murdering a Caucasian teenager who he shot because he felt threatened.\ It happened in New Your and no one gave a frak. So I think the hapless fellow has grounds for an appeal. It was a trial by jury and there is always someone who doesn't like a jury's decision. o_O TDD Appeals cost money .. how does one do they while serving 40 year sentence. Oh Killer Loon, first of all, you should really get a proper news client and I'm sure you and those of your ilk want to do whatever you can to impoverish the fellow so he can't afford competent legal council. To bad for you P.L.L.C.F. that a large group of patriots may get behind the fellow to help him. ^_^ TDD |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
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Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 22:45:03 -0800, "Guv Bob"
wrote: wrote in message ... On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". Should have been charged with voluntary manslaughter. First degree murder, premeditated murder does not require that one sit in his room making plans weeks or days or hours in advance. it doesn't require that someone make a special purchase of a weapon or that he plan to meet someone somewhere. The intention and the premeditation necessary for first degree murder can be formed one second before the act is committed. That's the law in every state, afaik, and certainly in most. And I'm pretty sure there are cases where most people would agree with this rule. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 08:05:49 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: =20 If the sentence is set to run concurrently then he =20 would be given 20 years... out in 13.=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Not in Florida. The gun charge itself is 25 to life and our law says =20 you have to serve 85%. minimum This is the most detailed analysis I've seen of the actual convictions and = possible sentences: http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/02...-dunn-guilty-= of-most-charges/ "Detailed Charges on Which Dunn Found Guilty =20 Among the charges of which he has been found guilty a =20 Three counts of attempted murder in the second degree (FL =A7782.051) for s= hooting at Kevin Thompson, Leland Brunson, and Tommy Storns, the three frie= nds with Jordan Davis in Storns' SUV The other boy in the front seat did turn down the radio when the guy complained, according to him, but the driver turned it up again. Was it the driver who was killed? I thought so. But then, assuming the picture wasnt reversed, it looks like the shooter was standing on the right side of the car shooting through the right door. He shot 10 times!!! Hit the car 9 times!!. Woudn't one normally attribute the car radio to the driver? OTOH, the shooter said someone insulted him. If so, do you know who that was supposed to be? |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
Per micky:
The other boy in the front seat did turn down the radio when the guy complained, according to him, but the driver turned it up again. Was it the driver who was killed? I thought so. But then, assuming the picture wasnt reversed, it looks like the shooter was standing on the right side of the car shooting through the right door. He shot 10 times!!! Hit the car 9 times!!. Woudn't one normally attribute the car radio to the driver? OTOH, the shooter said someone insulted him. If so, do you know who that was supposed to be? If it was one of those mobile boom boxes where peoples walls and windows shake when the car drives by, I wonder that the perpetrator didn't plead temporary insanity. -- Pete Cresswell |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:32:16 -0500, micky
wrote: On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 08:05:49 -0800 (PST), " wrote: =20 If the sentence is set to run concurrently then he =20 would be given 20 years... out in 13.=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Not in Florida. The gun charge itself is 25 to life and our law says =20 you have to serve 85%. minimum This is the most detailed analysis I've seen of the actual convictions and = possible sentences: http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/02...-dunn-guilty-= of-most-charges/ "Detailed Charges on Which Dunn Found Guilty =20 Among the charges of which he has been found guilty a =20 Three counts of attempted murder in the second degree (FL =A7782.051) for s= hooting at Kevin Thompson, Leland Brunson, and Tommy Storns, the three frie= nds with Jordan Davis in Storns' SUV The other boy in the front seat did turn down the radio when the guy complained, according to him, Now that I read here that the boy in the passenger seat was the one who was killed, I guess it was someone else who said he turned the radio down. Maybe it was the driver. The video of him saying that was taken over his left shoulder, and it looked like he was sitting in the passenger seat, but I suppose they all would be out of the car before someone showed up to inteveriew them. but the driver turned it up again. Maybe it was the one on the right he was referring to, who turned it up again. What do this case, Trayvon Martin, the shooting of the movie texter have in common. All by someone carrying a gun. At least two of them for no special reason. During this same period there was another teenager accosted and he was hit over the head with a cell phone. If there was a bruise, it was gone in a couple days. Partly because his accoster was carrying only a cell phone, not a gun. |
OT Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite
TeaBillie on welfare" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. I don't object to the thread but you should have prreceded it with OT. There are two kinds of OT here. This kind that is defitinitely OT and should be marked. And those involving strange mechanical things, houses built upside down, bicycles 8 feet high. Those are off topic too in that no one is trying to repair anything and the poster usually has nothing to do with the topic, which he just saw online But almost everyone who does home repair is interested in those threads, so maybe -- it's up to you all - they don't need to be marked OT. But this one should have been. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On 2/16/2014 1:37 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per micky: The other boy in the front seat did turn down the radio when the guy complained, according to him, but the driver turned it up again. Was it the driver who was killed? I thought so. But then, assuming the picture wasnt reversed, it looks like the shooter was standing on the right side of the car shooting through the right door. He shot 10 times!!! Hit the car 9 times!!. Woudn't one normally attribute the car radio to the driver? OTOH, the shooter said someone insulted him. If so, do you know who that was supposed to be? If it was one of those mobile boom boxes where peoples walls and windows shake when the car drives by, I wonder that the perpetrator didn't plead temporary insanity. I would have pleaded self defense because hearing damage is permanent. I would claim I was stopping an assault on me. ^_^ TDD |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:25:44 -0500, micky
wrote: First degree murder, premeditated murder does not require that one sit in his room making plans weeks or days or hours in advance. it doesn't require that someone make a special purchase of a weapon or that he plan to meet someone somewhere. The intention and the premeditation necessary for first degree murder can be formed one second before the act is committed. I'm not sure premeditation can be formed in "one second". Consider crimes of passion. Often acts that are instantaneous. The Burning Bed Defense? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Burning_Bed " Hughes went to court in Lansing, Michigan, and found by a jury of her peers to be not guilty by reason of temporary insanity." |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 4:43:35 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:25:44 -0500, micky wrote: First degree murder, premeditated murder does not require that one sit in his room making plans weeks or days or hours in advance. it doesn't require that someone make a special purchase of a weapon or that he plan to meet someone somewhere. The intention and the premeditation necessary for first degree murder can be formed one second before the act is committed. I'm not sure premeditation can be formed in "one second". Consider crimes of passion. Often acts that are instantaneous. The Burning Bed Defense? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Burning_Bed " Hughes went to court in Lansing, Michigan, and found by a jury of her peers to be not guilty by reason of temporary insanity." So why don't you impress us with your extensive law background and prosecution experience and explain why 1st degree is not valid. Cite all the criminal cases you personally prosecuted. |
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On 2/16/2014 1:47 PM, micky wrote:
On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. I don't object to the thread but you should have prreceded it with OT. There are two kinds of OT here. This kind that is defitinitely OT and should be marked. And those involving strange mechanical things, houses built upside down, bicycles 8 feet high. Those are off topic too in that no one is trying to repair anything and the poster usually has nothing to do with the topic, which he just saw online But almost everyone who does home repair is interested in those threads, so maybe -- it's up to you all - they don't need to be marked OT. But this one should have been. Micky, you're a nice guy but you're trying to reason with Killer Loon who's a poster child for the P.L.L.C.F. Trying to reason with those of its ilk is like zipping up your pants with your wiener hanging out. ^_^ TDD |
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On 2/16/2014 8:13 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
Micky, you're a nice guy but you're trying to reason with Killer Loon who's a poster child for the P.L.L.C.F. Trying to reason with those of its ilk is like zipping up your pants with your wiener hanging out. ^_^ TDD Cuts down on your moyel bill. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sunday, February 16, 2014 7:04:50 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:20:58 -0500, micky wrote: On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 23:31:48 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. The news always adds up the maximum sentences and presents it in this way, even though almost no one ever gets the sum of all the sentences. They do this for everyone, but I'm afraid that those who haven't noticed this feel wronged when the criminal who hurt them or killed somone they cared about gets so much less than what the news suggested they would get. They feel wronged by the criminal and betrayed by the courts. Another example where the news should be ashamed of itself, and this time, I'm not sure but I I may need to include radio and newspapers. I don't recall if they participate in this or not. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". No. Especially if someone is a first offender, or even the first time it's a felony, the judge will have some, maybe all sentences served concurrently, and won't give him the maximum for the most serious conviction. This is Florida. The prosecutor can push a 10-20 life on this guy and since he shot someone it is automatic 25 to life. But he wasn't *convicted* of shooting anyone, he was convicted of *trying* to shoot 3 people. I think that's why you're at the 25 years and all the news stories I've seen, the max sentence for any of the crimes is 20 years on each count. Remember the woman doing 20 for a warning shot. Same prosecutor. It's the judge that determines the sentence. And the case of the black woman you're citing was overturned on appeal. She's getting a new trial. That was one of the worst court decisions I've seen handed down, ever. This guy will have his sentence commuted when he is so old and sick the state doesn't want to pay to watch him die. If he got 25 and the sentences run concurrently, and we apply the no parole before 85% of the sentence rule, that's 21 served. He's 46, so assuming he has a normal life expectancy, that wouldn't be a life sentence, he could be out at 67. And I don't know about anyone else, but that seems adequate to me, given the crime. There are all kinds of people committing similar crimes and doing that or less. I think a lot of this will come down to what the sentencing laws require to be considered, allowed to be considered, exclude from being considered, etc. If it's viewed from the standpoint that he was not convicted of the death that occured, and that isn't part of the sentencing consideration, perhaps because it's not allowed, then you're left with attempted murder convictions for shooting into a car and not wounding anyone. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 19:04:50 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:20:58 -0500, micky wrote: On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 23:31:48 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. The news always adds up the maximum sentences and presents it in this way, even though almost no one ever gets the sum of all the sentences. They do this for everyone, but I'm afraid that those who haven't noticed this feel wronged when the criminal who hurt them or killed somone they cared about gets so much less than what the news suggested they would get. They feel wronged by the criminal and betrayed by the courts. Another example where the news should be ashamed of itself, and this time, I'm not sure but I I may need to include radio and newspapers. I don't recall if they participate in this or not. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". No. Especially if someone is a first offender, or even the first time it's a felony, the judge will have some, maybe all sentences served concurrently, and won't give him the maximum for the most serious conviction. This is Florida. The prosecutor can push a 10-20 life on this guy and since he shot someone it is automatic 25 to life. Remember the woman doing 20 for a warning shot. Same prosecutor. This guy will have his sentence commuted when he is so old and sick the state doesn't want to pay to watch him die. I tried to post again last night but my internet was down. Verzion, even thought my verizon land line phone was working. ABC News the worst of the 3, said roughly that "because of Florida law, he will have to serve 60 years." OTOH, NBC news, often much better than ABC, said "up to 60 years". Normally I'd just believe NBC, but ABC was so specific, as if they'd actually asked someone, I was going to post here to retract what I'd said. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 19:04:50 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:20:58 -0500, micky wrote: On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 23:31:48 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. The news always adds up the maximum sentences and presents it in this way, even though almost no one ever gets the sum of all the sentences. They do this for everyone, but I'm afraid that those who haven't noticed this feel wronged when the criminal who hurt them or killed somone they cared about gets so much less than what the news suggested they would get. They feel wronged by the criminal and betrayed by the courts. Another example where the news should be ashamed of itself, and this time, I'm not sure but I I may need to include radio and newspapers. I don't recall if they participate in this or not. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". No. Especially if someone is a first offender, or even the first time it's a felony, the judge will have some, maybe all sentences served concurrently, and won't give him the maximum for the most serious conviction. This is Florida. The prosecutor can push a 10-20 life on this guy and since he shot someone it is automatic 25 to life. Remember the woman doing 20 for a warning shot. Same prosecutor. This guy will have his sentence commuted when he is so old and sick the state doesn't want to pay to watch him die. I forgot to reply to you. Ugh. I'm not too concerned about this guy, but that woman with the warning shot, terrible. My brother lives in Florida and I visit. I'd better be careful. So should he and his family. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Monday, February 17, 2014 10:27:14 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 19:04:50 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:20:58 -0500, micky wrote: On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 23:31:48 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:18:15 -0800 (PST), "Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare" wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. The news always adds up the maximum sentences and presents it in this way, even though almost no one ever gets the sum of all the sentences. They do this for everyone, but I'm afraid that those who haven't noticed this feel wronged when the criminal who hurt them or killed somone they cared about gets so much less than what the news suggested they would get. They feel wronged by the criminal and betrayed by the courts. Another example where the news should be ashamed of itself, and this time, I'm not sure but I I may need to include radio and newspapers. I don't recall if they participate in this or not. Why would they ever retry him on a charge that will always hang a jury? This guy is 46 and the 60 years is easily "life". No. Especially if someone is a first offender, or even the first time it's a felony, the judge will have some, maybe all sentences served concurrently, and won't give him the maximum for the most serious conviction. This is Florida. The prosecutor can push a 10-20 life on this guy and since he shot someone it is automatic 25 to life. Remember the woman doing 20 for a warning shot. Same prosecutor. This guy will have his sentence commuted when he is so old and sick the state doesn't want to pay to watch him die. I tried to post again last night but my internet was down. Verzion, even thought my verizon land line phone was working. ABC News the worst of the 3, said roughly that "because of Florida law, he will have to serve 60 years." OTOH, NBC news, often much better than ABC, said "up to 60 years". Normally I'd just believe NBC, but ABC was so specific, as if they'd actually asked someone, I was going to post here to retract what I'd said. If you google, I don't see any news sources saying he has to serve 60 years or anything near that. That is the max he would coud face if they made him serve consecutive sentences. For a first time offender, that seems unlikely and unwarranted. It's kind of like saying Ray Nagin could go to jail for 100 years, but we all know that isn't going to happen. A lot is going to depend on the sentencing guidelines and what the judge has to consider, may consider and is prohibited from considering. For example, he was not convicted of murder or even shooting the guy who died. If that can't be considered as part of the sentencing, then what you have is a guy who fired into an SUV, and didn't injure anyone. From what I see you have 3 counts of attempted murder. In similar situations, a guy like that with no priors, etc would get 20 years, served concurrently. And likely a lot less in many places. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Monday, February 17, 2014 11:25:24 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:13:30 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Sunday, February 16, 2014 7:04:50 PM UTC-5, wrote: since he shot someone it is automatic 25 to life. But he wasn't *convicted* of shooting anyone, he was convicted of *trying* to shoot 3 people. I think that's why you're at the 25 years and all the news stories I've seen, the max sentence for any of the crimes is 20 years on each count. He shot a gun in commission of a felony and someone was hit. That is the test. But he was *not* convicted of hitting anyone. He was convicted of 3 counts of attempted murder for the other 3 occupants of the car. The jusry deadlocked on the more serious charge. So, if it requires someone to be hit, no one was hit in the crimes he was convicted of. And if it's 25 years, why aren't we seing that number anywhere else. The most I see is 20 X 3, with the possbility that since he is a first time offender, they could be served concurrently. Remember the woman doing 20 for a warning shot. Same prosecutor. It's the judge that determines the sentence. And the case of the black woman you're citing was overturned on appeal. She's getting a new trial. That was one of the worst court decisions I've seen handed down, ever. The basis of the appeal was not 10-20-life It may not have been the technical basis of it, but you can't deny that the screwy sentence she received generated a lot of support for her case to be appealed on whatever basis they could find. This guy will have his sentence commuted when he is so old and sick the state doesn't want to pay to watch him die. If he got 25 and the sentences run concurrently, and we apply the no parole before 85% of the sentence rule, that's 21 served. He's 46, so assuming he has a normal life expectancy, that wouldn't be a life sentence, he could be out at 67. And I don't know about anyone else, but that seems adequate to me, given the crime. There are all kinds of people committing similar crimes and doing that or less. I think a lot of this will come down to what the sentencing laws require to be considered, allowed to be considered, exclude from being considered, etc. If it's viewed from the standpoint that he was not convicted of the death that occured, and that isn't part of the sentencing consideration, perhaps because it's not allowed, then you're left with attempted murder convictions for shooting into a car and not wounding anyone. At a certain point our prisons become the world's most expensive geriatric hospitals with all the costs of incarceration tacked on to the costs of nursing home care and the medical issues of senior citizens. The old idea of throwing someone in a hole and letting them die has given way to questions of whether an inmate can get a heart transplant. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:43:20 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: He shot a gun in commission of a felony and someone was hit. That is the test. But he was *not* convicted of hitting anyone. He was convicted of 3 counts of attempted murder for the other 3 occupants of the car. The jusry deadlocked on the more serious charge. So, if it requires someone to be hit, no one was hit in the crimes he was convicted of. And if it's 25 years, why aren't we seing that number anywhere else. The most I see is 20 X 3, with the possbility that since he is a first time offender, they could be served concurrently. GUILTY - Counts 2, 3, 4,: Attempted Murder, Second Degree GUILTY - Count 5: Shooting or Throwing Deadly Missile Firing the weapon (Count 5), Mandatory, consecutive to the other convictions. Regardless if he missed or injured a person. The guy is toast. The 10-20-Like law - "Use A Gun And You're Done". "...Dunn is now scheduled to have a sentencing hearing the week of March 24. He faces a potential 105 years in prison on the four convictions, and under Florida’s minimum mandatory laws must be sentenced to at least 60 years." http://members.jacksonville.com/news/crime/2014-02-15/story/dunn-guilty-attempted-murder-hung-jury-murder-jordan-davis Oh, this is the same State Attorney Angela Corey - her district. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
stuff snipped If it was one of those mobile boom boxes where peoples walls and windows shake when the car drives by, I wonder that the perpetrator didn't plead temporary insanity. That's actually a pretty brilliant defense strategy. If I were his lawyer, I'd subpoena the ATF agents from the Koresh incident or someone qualified to testify about the use extremely loud music to deliberately disorient people. There have been studies that show that extremely loud music can disrupt cardiac and breathing rhythms. Who hasn't been near a window shaking audio system at one time or another? Just the other day at a stoplight with all the windows closed up rolls this boombox on wheels with the weird all-bass road-shaking thumping that I assume was some kind of music. I don't think I've ever heard someone blasting a song I actually like. (-: Our custodial engineer had a woofer in his car the size of a full-size tire mounted in the hatch area. You could hear him approaching from a block away. I once lived next door to a disco club. I can still hear "Stayin' Alive" and "Hot Stuff" ringing in my ears on a bad night. They played those two songs in their full plaster-loosening glory at least twice a night and the pictures rattled on the walls. Sometimes they would play the super-extended "disco" mixes with the same bass lines thumping away for what seemed liked hours. If I end up in hell, those songs will be waiting for me. But the rent was cheap. (-: You've uncovered what could easily be a successful line of defense in any retrial. Beats the hell out of that contrived "shotgun in the rear window so I shot the front seat passenger" defense. I wonder if the judge would have allowed a demonstration of exactly what song was playing and how loudly. Drums, fightsongs and bugles have been used to whip soldiers into a patriotic fighting frenzy. The more I think about it, the more I think you might have hit on what really happened. Dunn did flip out. Does anyone know what song was playing? If I represented him (which I can't because I'm not a lawyer) I would find an expert witness/shrink who would test Dunn using an fMRI while subjecting him to the same music v. music he liked. If people have favorite songs, and most of us do, then there must exist the exact opposite. Songs we just can't stand. Marvin Gaye's father hated "Sexual Healing" so much that he killed him after listening to it. http://voices.yahoo.com/sexual-heali...003.html?cat=9 There's actual a lot of precedent out there. I am sure you couldn't find a juror hasn't been driven to near madness by someone with a loud stereo at one time in their lives. Zulu warriors drove their adversaries to the edge by the sounds the made clacking their spears on their shields. BTW, for anyone wondering about the sentencing, here's another county heard from: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/5...urder.html.csp Dunn showed no emotion as the verdicts were read. Each attempted second-degree murder charge carries a maximum sentence of 30 years in prison, while the fourth charge he was convicted on carries a maximum of 15. A sentencing date will be set later. Who would be on trial if those kids *did* have guns and fired back? If someone comes at you because he thinks you have a gun and you actually do who's standing whose ground? -- Bobby G. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
Ken wrote: Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. What is the story about the guy he shot having a shotgun in the car? TV said that the shooter maintains that was the case, but I did not hear if that was ever introduced as evidence. Not making excuses for the guy, just looking for the facts. Unclear. What is clear however is that the police botched the investigation by not searching the area immediately, leaving it entirely a "reasonable doubt" as to weather such a shotgun did exist and those in the car disposed of it in the time they were away from the gas station. I have plenty of issues with the shooter's actions - not simply fleeing in his vehicle, firing multiple shots with time between shots and no apparent continued threat, etc. But there should be different charges for such actions. I think everyone's view of the case, including those of the racist baiters would be different had the police located a shotgun in the car, and given the police failure that will remain an unknown barring an admission from one of the surviving parties that were in the car. As for the initial request to turn down the music, far too much has been made about what music it was when that is simply not relevant. It is not racist to ask someone to turn down loud music when they are parked at a gas station or anywhere stationary where others may be trying to have a conversation such as a fast food drive through. Turning music down in such cases is common courtesy, something that all teens should have learned from their parents. Indeed where I live is a short distance in from a 65 mph road, and the local kids here are courteous and turn down their music when they turn of that main road and I appreciate that courtesy. |
Fl murderer convicted in loud music
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:30:53 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote: Ken wrote: Daring Dufas: Hypocrite TeaBillie on welfare wrote: He will be retried for murder due to hung jury and faces 60+ years with current convictions. Not ideal but it's not over. What is the story about the guy he shot having a shotgun in the car? TV said that the shooter maintains that was the case, but I did not hear if that was ever introduced as evidence. Not making excuses for the guy, just looking for the facts. Unclear. What is clear however is that the police botched the investigation by not searching the area immediately, leaving it entirely a "reasonable doubt" as to weather such a shotgun did exist and those in the car disposed of it in the time they were away from the gas station. I have plenty of issues with the shooter's actions - not simply fleeing in his vehicle, firing multiple shots with time between shots and no apparent continued threat, etc. But there should be different charges for such actions. I think everyone's view of the case, including those of the racist baiters would be different had the police located a shotgun in the car, and given the police failure that will remain an unknown barring an admission from one of the surviving parties that were in the car. As for the initial request to turn down the music, far too much has been made about what music it was when that is simply not relevant. It is not racist to ask someone to turn down loud music when they are parked at a gas station or anywhere stationary where others may be trying to have a conversation such as a fast food drive through. Turning music down in such cases is common courtesy, something that all teens should have learned from their parents. Indeed where I live is a short distance in from a 65 mph road, and the local kids here are courteous and turn down their music when they turn of that main road and I appreciate that courtesy. You make a good point Pete. After three, four days, SDA Corey justifies why the police did not investigate or search the distance traveled from the gas station to another parking lot AND then return to the gas station to call 911 by the victims in the vehicle. Only then they knew one guy was shot? Amazing. Of course they are not likely to find a shotgun after that time lapse if one did exist and was tossed from the vehicle. She justifies it, but in normal investigations, the police should do so immediately. "...Attorneys for Dunn argued that the weapon Dunn said he saw could have been disposed of by the friends while in the adjacent parking lot. Police did not search the plaza parking lot that night. Prosecutors said police didn’t know to search it because Dunn fled the scene and didn’t tell his story to police until the next day when he was arrested." "The plaza was searched four days after the crime. Corey said the Sheriff’s Office handled the case well, and she didn’t believe any mistakes were made." http://members.jacksonville.com/news/crime/2014-02-15/story/dunn-guilty-attempted-murder-hung-jury-murder-jordan-davis They had witnesses to the shooting. Yet would not search the distance traveled to another parking lot until the shooter prances back into town and declares he shot the kid when he learned he died? |
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On 2/16/2014 7:57 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/16/2014 8:13 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote: Micky, you're a nice guy but you're trying to reason with Killer Loon who's a poster child for the P.L.L.C.F. Trying to reason with those of its ilk is like zipping up your pants with your wiener hanging out. ^_^ TDD Cuts down on your moyel bill. That sort of activity is very immohel. o_O TDD |
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