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3-way LEDs... at last?
Anyone seen these?
http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 There's been some discussion of these over on CPF, but only two reported spottings both in CA. A web search for these yields only the link above and two threads on CPF. Lowe's web site does not have them listed, my local Lowe's doesn't have them, although a CPF poster helpfully posted the following For the 30/70/100 [A21 size]: Item# 424732, Model# LA30/100R/LE 0017801998832 600/1100/1600 lumens, 8/16/22 watts For the 50/100/150 [A23 size]: Item# 424733, Model# LA50/150R/LE 0017801998849 800/1600/2200 lumens, 10/22/32 watts just wondering if anyone had actually managed to find these little guys in the wild and your thoughts on them. Are they really "150W equivalent?" I suspect not, shouldn't that be closer to 2800 lm for a true replacement? Tint? Color rendering? I've gone as far as making a custom 3-lamp holder for a torchiere that holds 3 Philips L-prize bulbs and screws into a 3-way socket (lights one, two, three, none of the bulbs as you turn the key) but that is not an optimal solution for table lamps etc. and of course L-prizes are expensive and discontinued. I miss being able to use incans without guilt nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Now we need an affordable LED |
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?philo=A0?= writes:
On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Feit A-19's are about $13 at costco. R-30's are about the same. |
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On 12/17/2013 10:29 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?philo=A0?= writes: On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Feit A-19's are about $13 at costco. R-30's are about the same. In my wife's studio she uses six, full spectrum fluorescent tubes and three spotlights with 100 watt incandescent "Reveal" bulbs. The full spectrum LEDs are quite expensive so I bought enough "Reveal" incandescents to last several years...and hopefully the price will come down. For the rest of the house any standard bulb will do ...so will eventually get switched over to LEDs I have a seldom used antique chandelier in the living room of our 19th century home...and that one uses antique reproduction incandescents which I will be keeping. |
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?philo=A0?= writes:
On 12/17/2013 10:29 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?philo=A0?= writes: On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Feit A-19's are about $13 at costco. R-30's are about the same. In my wife's studio she uses six, full spectrum fluorescent tubes In my shop, I have eight F96T12C50's. However, the Feit A-19's work just fine as a general 60W incandescent replacement. While 60W incandescents are in the past, there are plenty of 58W incandescents still being made and sold. |
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On 12/17/2013 11:00 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
In my wife's studio she uses six, full spectrum fluorescent tubes In my shop, I have eight F96T12C50's. However, the Feit A-19's work just fine as a general 60W incandescent replacement. While 60W incandescents are in the past, there are plenty of 58W incandescents still being made and sold. In my collection of bulbs are a number of 57 and 58 watt incandescents. I was wondering why they made such an odd value...I assume it's because 60watt and up are being banned. |
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"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message ... =?ISO-8859-1?Q?philo=A0?= writes: On 12/17/2013 10:29 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?philo=A0?= writes: On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Feit A-19's are about $13 at costco. R-30's are about the same. In my wife's studio she uses six, full spectrum fluorescent tubes In my shop, I have eight F96T12C50's. However, the Feit A-19's work just fine as a general 60W incandescent replacement. While 60W incandescents are in the past, there are plenty of 58W incandescents still being made and sold. --- And 72 watt, 52 watt, 43 watt and 29 watt halogen. There's no shortage of halogen bulbs in any store that I've seen. Tomsic |
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"philo " wrote in message ... On 12/17/2013 10:29 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?philo=A0?= writes: On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Feit A-19's are about $13 at costco. R-30's are about the same. In my wife's studio she uses six, full spectrum fluorescent tubes and three spotlights with 100 watt incandescent "Reveal" bulbs. The full spectrum LEDs are quite expensive so I bought enough "Reveal" incandescents to last several years...and hopefully the price will come down. For the rest of the house any standard bulb will do ...so will eventually get switched over to LEDs I have a seldom used antique chandelier in the living room of our 19th century home...and that one uses antique reproduction incandescents which I will be keeping. There are "Reveal" CFL and LED bulbs now -- also more expensive. Those bulbs reduce the amount of yellow light so other colors appear brighter, especially reds. Complexion tones improve too, so they make people look healthy even if they aren't. I call it theatrical lighting for the home. Tomsic |
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On 12/18/2013 12:36 PM, = wrote:
"philo " wrote in message ... On The full spectrum LEDs are quite expensive so I bought enough "Reveal" incandescents to last several years...and hopefully the price will come down. For the rest of the house any standard bulb will do ...so will eventually get switched over to LEDs I have a seldom used antique chandelier in the living room of our 19th century home...and that one uses antique reproduction incandescents which I will be keeping. There are "Reveal" CFL and LED bulbs now -- also more expensive. Those bulbs reduce the amount of yellow light so other colors appear brighter, especially reds. Complexion tones improve too, so they make people look healthy even if they aren't. I call it theatrical lighting for the home. Tomsic My wife is an artist and the Reveal work well for her...though most of the light in her studio is full spectrum fluorescents and the skylights. As to those 72 watt halogen with the 100 watt equivalence... I have no idea how they can pull that crap. They are equivalent to a 75 watt bulb! -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqXl3...ature=youtu.be |
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On 12/18/2013 12:36 PM, = wrote:
"philo wrote in message ... On 12/17/2013 10:29 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: writes: On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Feit A-19's are about $13 at costco. R-30's are about the same. In my wife's studio she uses six, full spectrum fluorescent tubes and three spotlights with 100 watt incandescent "Reveal" bulbs. The full spectrum LEDs are quite expensive so I bought enough "Reveal" incandescents to last several years...and hopefully the price will come down. For the rest of the house any standard bulb will do ...so will eventually get switched over to LEDs I have a seldom used antique chandelier in the living room of our 19th century home...and that one uses antique reproduction incandescents which I will be keeping. There are "Reveal" CFL and LED bulbs now -- also more expensive. Those bulbs reduce the amount of yellow light so other colors appear brighter, especially reds. Complexion tones improve too, so they make people look healthy even if they aren't. I call it theatrical lighting for the home. Tomsic I tended to think of "Reveal" as one of the lighting scams, so I looked for some information: From GE Reveal - "100W replacement" 1120 initial lumens [1600 is a reasonable lumen figure for a 100W bulb] using 28% less energy than regular incandescent [giving you 30% less light] CRI 100 ["filters out dull, yellow rays" and they have a high CRI? according to http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/22418166 (digital photography review) the CRI is about 70 "Unscrupulous bulb mongers push these horrible bulbs at many different groups."] delivers outstanding energy efficiency [Reveal 1120L/72W = 15.6L/W real incandescent 1600L/100W = 16L/W filtering the yellow lowers the efficiency] 1000h rated life [750h for a normal incandescent - they actually didn't lie about this one] IMHO Reveal is a scam. Did I miss something? ========================== I was just looking for 100W light bulbs for a garage. CFLs aren't good because of the cold. LEDs probably aren't available in 100W, and are not a particularly good choice for bulbs that aren't used much. That leaves halogen. For 3 brands the "100W equivalent" was in reality a 75W equivalent. I agree with philo that this is consumer fraud. Why aren't they prosecuted? |
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philo wrote: On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Now we need an affordable LED You didn't look hard enough. I've been using very good LG "A" type LED lamps that were ~$10ea, and recently installed a large number of $25 LED recessed can retrofits that are also performing beautifully. About 3 years ago LED lamps sucked, but not any more. |
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On 12/17/2013 10:32 AM, Pete C. wrote:
philo wrote: On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Now we need an affordable LED You didn't look hard enough. I've been using very good LG "A" type LED lamps that were ~$10ea, and recently installed a large number of $25 LED recessed can retrofits that are also performing beautifully. About 3 years ago LED lamps sucked, but not any more. I looked very hard but only at one store. Next time I go to a big box store I'll look again or maybe even order on line. Shipping is probably what I'd pay for gas anyway. Glad to hear they are making good ones now. On my job, we switched from incandescent pilot lamps to LED back in 1979. |
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On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 09:52:31 -0600, philo* wrote:
On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE8CJwXSPRs Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Now we need an affordable LED |
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On 2013-12-17, philo* wrote:
Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Like CFLs before them, they will be insanely expensive until large scale production ramps up. I recall the cheapest early CFLs at HD were $15, but Ikea had 'em for $4-7. Now they're a buck. Look around. I finally found my first cheapo 100W CFL at a Dollar Tree store, a couple yrs later. nb |
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On 2013-12-17, philo wrote: Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Like CFLs before them, they will be insanely expensive until large scale production ramps up. I recall the cheapest early CFLs at HD were $15, but Ikea had 'em for $4-7. Now they're a buck. Look around. I finally found my first cheapo 100W CFL at a Dollar Tree store, a couple yrs later. nb Early CFL's more like $30 . 20 year user. Bought two light fixtures at THD. What luck. They came with bayonet CFL's. Had to switch the dam sockets. Greg |
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"gregz" wrote in message ... notbob wrote: On 2013-12-17, philo wrote: Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Like CFLs before them, they will be insanely expensive until large scale production ramps up. I recall the cheapest early CFLs at HD were $15, but Ikea had 'em for $4-7. Now they're a buck. Look around. I finally found my first cheapo 100W CFL at a Dollar Tree store, a couple yrs later. nb Early CFL's more like $30 . 20 year user. Bought two light fixtures at THD. What luck. They came with bayonet CFL's. Had to switch the dam sockets. Greg Yes, that bayonet base is called a GU-24. They're required in California if the fixture manufacturer wants the fixture to be classified "high efficacy" or if the fixture is to be Energy Star qualified. Tomsic |
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On 12/17/2013 03:28 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2013-12-17, philo wrote: Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Like CFLs before them, they will be insanely expensive until large scale production ramps up. I recall the cheapest early CFLs at HD were $15, but Ikea had 'em for $4-7. Now they're a buck. Look around. I finally found my first cheapo 100W CFL at a Dollar Tree store, a couple yrs later. nb Actually IKEA is a good source for LEDs and I expect they will improve over time, as they've supposedly committed to LED technology and phasing out incans. The IKEA Ledare LED "bulb" is about $11 and has a nice high CRI (given on package as "87") and is supposedly dimmable. In my opinion it is a special purpose bulb however as they advertise it as a "60W equivalent" which I consider to be flat out dishonest and fraudulent; it's only rated at 600 lumens making it a good replacement for a 40W incandescent bulb but not a 60W one. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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On 12/17/2013 9:52 AM, philo wrote:
On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Now we need an affordable LED I have a 12watt in the goose-neck lamp over my computer and it's color temperature is very close to an incandescent. It's supposed to be a 60watt equivalent and it does put out a lot of light. I've had it for a while and purchased it at Home Depot. I think it was around $20 but the price has come down since then. ^_^ TDD |
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philo wrote:
On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Now we need an affordable LED Just wait a while, CFLs were expensive when they first came out. The more (chinese) manufacturers, the cheaper they will be. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeros after @ |
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"willshak" wrote in message ... philo wrote: On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Now we need an affordable LED Just wait a while, CFLs were expensive when they first came out. The more (chinese) manufacturers, the cheaper they will be. Oh, I don't know that it will take Chinese manufacturers to get the price down. Cree is doing a fine job and they build bulbs in the U.S. Tomsic -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeros after @ |
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If you live in CA the Cree True White are supposedly good. I scored some Philips L-Prizes at the $15 subsidized price while they were still available so I'm good for a while though.
I got a response from Lowe's CS about the three ways... disavowing all knowledge of them, despite the press release and a few CPF members reporting seeing them on the shelves (all in CA however, I'm on the east coast.) |
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The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a
decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Now we need an affordable LED The CREE LED 60W replacement bulbs are only $10 at Home Depot: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-60W-...ite-2700K-A19- Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-BA19-08027OMF-12DE26-2U100/204592770#.UrG1Oyez6R4 Anthony Watson www.mountainsoftware.com www.watsondiy.com |
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"philo " wrote in message ... On 12/17/2013 07:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 The other day, I complained here about the lack of availability of a decent LED to replace an incandescent and was informed they do exist. Went to the h/w store today and yep, they do exist but at $50 each I think I'll skip it. Now we need an affordable LED Coming up. Lots of new LED bulb products are being rolled out in 2014 according to the LED newsletters. Tomsic |
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Now we need an affordable LED I bought some reasonable priced and quality LED GU 10 bulbs form Amazon before, just around$9, and I think you can find more cheap and quality lights here http://www.lightingever.com/ |
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On 12/17/13 7:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 There's been some discussion of these over on CPF, but only two reported spottings both in CA. A web search for these yields only the link above and two threads on CPF. Lowe's web site does not have them listed, my local Lowe's doesn't have them, although a CPF poster helpfully posted the following For the 30/70/100 [A21 size]: Item# 424732, Model# LA30/100R/LE 0017801998832 600/1100/1600 lumens, 8/16/22 watts For the 50/100/150 [A23 size]: Item# 424733, Model# LA50/150R/LE 0017801998849 800/1600/2200 lumens, 10/22/32 watts just wondering if anyone had actually managed to find these little guys in the wild and your thoughts on them. Are they really "150W equivalent?" I suspect not, shouldn't that be closer to 2800 lm for a true replacement? Tint? Color rendering? I've gone as far as making a custom 3-lamp holder for a torchiere that holds 3 Philips L-prize bulbs and screws into a 3-way socket (lights one, two, three, none of the bulbs as you turn the key) but that is not an optimal solution for table lamps etc. and of course L-prizes are expensive and discontinued. I miss being able to use incans without guilt nate Amazon lists some but they are out of stock. http://tinyurl.com/p538nb9 30/60/75 equivalent |
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On 12/17/13 7:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 There's been some discussion of these over on CPF, but only two reported spottings both in CA. A web search for these yields only the link above and two threads on CPF. Lowe's web site does not have them listed, my local Lowe's doesn't have them, although a CPF poster helpfully posted the following For the 30/70/100 [A21 size]: Item# 424732, Model# LA30/100R/LE 0017801998832 600/1100/1600 lumens, 8/16/22 watts For the 50/100/150 [A23 size]: Item# 424733, Model# LA50/150R/LE 0017801998849 800/1600/2200 lumens, 10/22/32 watts just wondering if anyone had actually managed to find these little guys in the wild and your thoughts on them. Are they really "150W equivalent?" I suspect not, shouldn't that be closer to 2800 lm for a true replacement? Tint? Color rendering? I've gone as far as making a custom 3-lamp holder for a torchiere that holds 3 Philips L-prize bulbs and screws into a 3-way socket (lights one, two, three, none of the bulbs as you turn the key) but that is not an optimal solution for table lamps etc. and of course L-prizes are expensive and discontinued. I miss being able to use incans without guilt nate Don't feel guilty. Incand are safe and clean. CFL contain mercury. If you read the warmings on the boxes, you're supposed to dispose of them at a hazmat disposal sites. I'm sure 99% of those using them just toss them in the trash. CLF's also are easier to break with installing and removing them. |
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On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 18:01:47 -0600, Dean Hoffman
" wrote: On 12/17/13 7:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 There's been some discussion of these over on CPF, but only two reported spottings both in CA. A web search for these yields only the link above and two threads on CPF. Lowe's web site does not have them listed, my local Lowe's doesn't have them, although a CPF poster helpfully posted the following For the 30/70/100 [A21 size]: Item# 424732, Model# LA30/100R/LE 0017801998832 600/1100/1600 lumens, 8/16/22 watts For the 50/100/150 [A23 size]: Item# 424733, Model# LA50/150R/LE 0017801998849 800/1600/2200 lumens, 10/22/32 watts just wondering if anyone had actually managed to find these little guys in the wild and your thoughts on them. Are they really "150W equivalent?" I suspect not, shouldn't that be closer to 2800 lm for a true replacement? Tint? Color rendering? I've gone as far as making a custom 3-lamp holder for a torchiere that holds 3 Philips L-prize bulbs and screws into a 3-way socket (lights one, two, three, none of the bulbs as you turn the key) but that is not an optimal solution for table lamps etc. and of course L-prizes are expensive and discontinued. I miss being able to use incans without guilt I don't miss that. I still have a couple of hundred stored in the basement. At the rate I go through them, they should last my lifetime. |
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On 12/17/2013 07:01 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 12/17/13 7:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote: Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 There's been some discussion of these over on CPF, but only two reported spottings both in CA. A web search for these yields only the link above and two threads on CPF. Lowe's web site does not have them listed, my local Lowe's doesn't have them, although a CPF poster helpfully posted the following For the 30/70/100 [A21 size]: Item# 424732, Model# LA30/100R/LE 0017801998832 600/1100/1600 lumens, 8/16/22 watts For the 50/100/150 [A23 size]: Item# 424733, Model# LA50/150R/LE 0017801998849 800/1600/2200 lumens, 10/22/32 watts just wondering if anyone had actually managed to find these little guys in the wild and your thoughts on them. Are they really "150W equivalent?" I suspect not, shouldn't that be closer to 2800 lm for a true replacement? Tint? Color rendering? I've gone as far as making a custom 3-lamp holder for a torchiere that holds 3 Philips L-prize bulbs and screws into a 3-way socket (lights one, two, three, none of the bulbs as you turn the key) but that is not an optimal solution for table lamps etc. and of course L-prizes are expensive and discontinued. I miss being able to use incans without guilt nate Amazon lists some but they are out of stock. http://tinyurl.com/p538nb9 30/60/75 equivalent yeah... 75W equivalent won't be bright enough for reading lamp use, and while Switch really has some attractive and innovative products, they need to work on getting their pricing to a non-luxury-good level. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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3-way LEDs... at last?
On 12/17/2013 8:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
Anyone seen these? http://ledsmagazine.com/news/10/11/13 There's been some discussion of these over on CPF, but only two reported spottings both in CA. A web search for these yields only the link above and two threads on CPF. Lowe's web site does not have them listed, my local Lowe's doesn't have them, although a CPF poster helpfully posted the following For the 30/70/100 [A21 size]: Item# 424732, Model# LA30/100R/LE 0017801998832 600/1100/1600 lumens, 8/16/22 watts For the 50/100/150 [A23 size]: Item# 424733, Model# LA50/150R/LE 0017801998849 800/1600/2200 lumens, 10/22/32 watts My local NW Ohio Lowes has the 30/70/100 in-stock for $34.99 Haven't tried one yet. Also Cree has a 75w replacement coming out soon to the HD |
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