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From a 'Documentary Film Producer', slightly paraphrased:
While traveling through northern Arizona with a full camera crew we stopped for petrol and refreshments at a town deemed a "Mormon Town". While getting back into our van my wallet containing $1200 [need cash for trips] fell from my pocket; the loss going unnoticed until much further down the road. Upon discovering the loss, we turned back to the logical location where I could have lost my wallet. We searched and searched, but found nothing anywhere. So went inside and inquired if anybody had turned in a wallet. Someone had! Upon confirming my name, the gentleman [who had actually also found the wallet] returned it to me. Upon checking the contents, I found the whole of the funds completely intact. I offered a reward to the man who replied, "No, but thank you. I could not possibly accept any reward for it would lessen my reward from Jesus Christ." [words to that effect.] Just thought you'd like to hear something GOOD for a change. |
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On 11/4/2013 11:33 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
From a 'Documentary Film Producer', slightly paraphrased: While traveling through northern Arizona with a full camera crew we stopped for petrol and refreshments at a town deemed a "Mormon Town". While getting back into our van my wallet containing $1200 [need cash for trips] fell from my pocket; the loss going unnoticed until much further down the road. Upon discovering the loss, we turned back to the logical location where I could have lost my wallet. We searched and searched, but found nothing anywhere. So went inside and inquired if anybody had turned in a wallet. Someone had! Upon confirming my name, the gentleman [who had actually also found the wallet] returned it to me. Upon checking the contents, I found the whole of the funds completely intact. I offered a reward to the man who replied, "No, but thank you. I could not possibly accept any reward for it would lessen my reward from Jesus Christ." [words to that effect.] Just thought you'd like to hear something GOOD for a change. Thank you. Best I've heard in a long time. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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"RobertMacy" wrote in message
news:op.w509mrag2cx0wh@ajm From a 'Documentary Film Producer', slightly paraphrased: While traveling through northern Arizona with a full camera crew we stopped for petrol and refreshments at a town deemed a "Mormon Town". While getting back into our van my wallet containing $1200 [need cash for trips] fell from my pocket; the loss going unnoticed until much further down the road. Upon discovering the loss, we turned back to the logical location where I could have lost my wallet. We searched and searched, but found nothing anywhere. So went inside and inquired if anybody had turned in a wallet. Someone had! Upon confirming my name, the gentleman [who had actually also found the wallet] returned it to me. Upon checking the contents, I found the whole of the funds completely intact. I offered a reward to the man who replied, "No, but thank you. I could not possibly accept any reward for it would lessen my reward from Jesus Christ." [words to that effect.] Just thought you'd like to hear something GOOD for a change. Nice of you to post it but I still prefer these words from "The Rubiyat of Omar Khayyam": "Ah, take the cash and let the credit go..." . I'm not big on distant drums either :) -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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On 11/04/2013 08:33 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
[snip] And what does this have to do with home repair? Nothing. Jon |
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On Monday, November 4, 2013 8:33:53 AM UTC-8, Robert Macy wrote:
From a 'Documentary Film Producer', slightly paraphrased: While traveling through northern Arizona with a full camera crew we stopped for petrol and refreshments at a town deemed a "Mormon Town". While getting back into our van my wallet containing $1200 [need cash for trips] fell from my pocket; the loss going unnoticed until much further down the road. Upon discovering the loss, we turned back to the logical location where I could have lost my wallet. We searched and searched, but found nothing anywhere. So went inside and inquired if anybody had turned in a wallet. Someone had! Upon confirming my name, the gentleman [who had actually also found the wallet] returned it to me. Upon checking the contents, I found the whole of the funds completely intact. I offered a reward to the man who replied, "No, but thank you. I could not possibly accept any reward for it would lessen my reward from Jesus Christ." [words to that effect.] Just thought you'd like to hear something GOOD for a change. Similar happened to me years ago when traveling through rural Mexico with small son. Left my &*^^%$))^^%$ WALLET somewhere - can't remember where. Went back in fear & trembling -- was told me a young man had found it and taken it home, leaving his address. We went there; he had it; I had to practically twist his arm to accept a small thank you. Whew! Restored my faith in people's decency. HB |
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"Jon Danniken" wrote in
message On 11/04/2013 08:33 AM, RobertMacy wrote: [snip] And what does this have to do with home repair? Nothing. Just a wild guess but I suspect that is why it has "OT" in the subject line. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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On 11/4/2013 3:52 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:
On 11/04/2013 08:33 AM, RobertMacy wrote: [snip] And what does this have to do with home repair? Nothing. Jon Yes, it sure is off topic. It really needs to be labelled OT. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:54:19 -0700, Higgs Boson
wrote: ...snip... Similar happened to me years ago when traveling through rural Mexico with small son. Left my &*^^%$))^^%$ WALLET somewhere - can't remember where. Went back in fear & trembling -- was told me a young man had found it and taken it home, leaving his address. We went there; he had it; I had to practically twist his arm to accept a small thank you. Whew! Restored my faith in people's decency. HB Glad to hear of excellent experience Historically, I've had my share of 'learned' bad experiences from Hispanic community. Examples: freshly poured concrete sidewalk in front of home being defaced by young children ACCOMPANIED by their mothers on a walk! Mothers saying nothing in spite of me charging out and yelling at them to stop it. Out about in public, being subjected to attitude towards me, attitude uncalled for, more like getting a 'pre-emptive' attitude. Or, enjoying an extremely private area along the beach, when suddenly being imposed upon by huge group, plopping down within 20 feet, on an empty beach that goes for over 1000 feet - why next to us? etc etc. Then, late one night while driving through the bad sections of the dreaded 'east side' I ran out of gas! had to walk to a service station, yes, even late at night the station was occupied by a roudy crowd that immediately took umbrage at my presence as I walked in. Almost like What are YOU doing here? When I told them I ran out of gas at so-and-so intersection, they became very concerned. The lady station attendant handed me a plastic gallon can to go fill with gasoline, and told me to bring it back when I'm done. She never even asked for a deposit on the can, nor payment at that moment for the contents. She just said come back and when you get more pay then. One of youths said he was on his way home and had to go by where I had abandoned my car so he could drop me off, which he did. I 'primed' the car with the one gallon can the lady had given me [could have completely left that neighborhood], drove back to the station, gave her back the can and paid for the gasoline. Where upon I profusely thanked her and went on home not too much later than expected due to all the help I had received. That experience completely erased the bad impression of the Hispanic community I had formed, ...up until that event. Now I realize, if you NEED help, you'll probably get a shirt off someone's back. |
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On 11/4/2013 2:54 PM, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Monday, November 4, 2013 8:33:53 AM UTC-8, Robert Macy wrote: From a 'Documentary Film Producer', slightly paraphrased: While traveling through northern Arizona with a full camera crew we stopped for petrol and refreshments at a town deemed a "Mormon Town". While getting back into our van my wallet containing $1200 [need cash for trips] fell from my pocket; the loss going unnoticed until much further down the road. Upon discovering the loss, we turned back to the logical location where I could have lost my wallet. We searched and searched, but found nothing anywhere. So went inside and inquired if anybody had turned in a wallet. Someone had! Upon confirming my name, the gentleman [who had actually also found the wallet] returned it to me. Upon checking the contents, I found the whole of the funds completely intact. I offered a reward to the man who replied, "No, but thank you. I could not possibly accept any reward for it would lessen my reward from Jesus Christ." [words to that effect.] Just thought you'd like to hear something GOOD for a change. Similar happened to me years ago when traveling through rural Mexico with small son. Left my &*^^%$))^^%$ WALLET somewhere - can't remember where. Went back in fear & trembling -- was told me a young man had found it and taken it home, leaving his address. We went there; he had it; I had to practically twist his arm to accept a small thank you. Whew! Restored my faith in people's decency. HB The attitude of folks living in rural America is quite different from that of people living in urban areas. If you had lost your wallet in Washington D.C. or New York City, the money and credit cards would have been removed then the wallet tossed into the nearest trash can. If the wallet had been found by a congressman, you would have gotten the wallet back with taxes taken out of the money. ^_^ TDD |
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On 11/4/2013 7:59 PM, RobertMacy wrote:
Glad to hear of excellent experience Historically, I've had my share of 'learned' bad experiences from Hispanic community. Examples: freshly poured concrete sidewalk in front of home being defaced by young children ACCOMPANIED by their mothers on a walk! Mothers saying nothing in spite of me charging out and yelling at them to stop it. Out about in public, being subjected to attitude towards me, attitude uncalled for, more like getting a 'pre-emptive' attitude. Or, enjoying an extremely private area along the beach, when suddenly being imposed upon by huge group, plopping down within 20 feet, on an empty beach that goes for over 1000 feet - why next to us? etc etc. Then, late one night while driving through the bad sections of the dreaded 'east side' I ran out of gas! had to walk to a service station, yes, even late at night the station was occupied by a roudy crowd that immediately took umbrage at my presence as I walked in. Almost like What are YOU doing here? When I told them I ran out of gas at so-and-so intersection, they became very concerned. The lady station attendant handed me a plastic gallon can to go fill with gasoline, and told me to bring it back when I'm done. She never even asked for a deposit on the can, nor payment at that moment for the contents. She just said come back and when you get more pay then. One of youths said he was on his way home and had to go by where I had abandoned my car so he could drop me off, which he did. I 'primed' the car with the one gallon can the lady had given me [could have completely left that neighborhood], drove back to the station, gave her back the can and paid for the gasoline. Where upon I profusely thanked her and went on home not too much later than expected due to all the help I had received. That experience completely erased the bad impression of the Hispanic community I had formed, ...up until that event. Now I realize, if you NEED help, you'll probably get a shirt off someone's back. Nice to hear of good experiences. I think that some public figures do try to whip up the racial discontent. Glad to hear that some people are still kind to each other. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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On 11/4/2013 11:36 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
The attitude of folks living in rural America is quite different from that of people living in urban areas. If you had lost your wallet in Washington D.C. or New York City, the money and credit cards would have been removed then the wallet tossed into the nearest trash can. If the wallet had been found by a congressman, you would have gotten the wallet back with taxes taken out of the money. ^_^ TDD In DC, they would probably mail the wallet back (no charge, franking) minus the cash and CC, and a tax levy bill included. Wallet returned in NYC? Fugeddabouddit. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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"RobertMacy" wrote in message
news:op.w51w1ya82cx0wh@ajm On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:54:19 -0700, Higgs Boson wrote: ...snip... Similar happened to me years ago when traveling through rural Mexico with small son. Left my &*^^%$))^^%$ WALLET somewhere - can't remember where. Went back in fear & trembling -- was told me a young man had found it and taken it home, leaving his address. We went there; he had it; I had to practically twist his arm to accept a small thank you. Whew! Restored my faith in people's decency. HB Glad to hear of excellent experience Historically, I've had my share of 'learned' bad experiences from Hispanic community. Examples: freshly poured concrete sidewalk in front of home being defaced by young children ACCOMPANIED by their mothers on a walk! Mothers saying nothing in spite of me charging out and yelling at them to stop it. Out about in public, being subjected to attitude towards me, attitude uncalled for, more like getting a 'pre-emptive' attitude. Or, enjoying an extremely private area along the beach, when suddenly being imposed upon by huge group, plopping down within 20 feet, on an empty beach that goes for over 1000 feet - why next to us? etc etc. Then, late one night while driving through the bad sections of the dreaded 'east side' I ran out of gas! had to walk to a service station, yes, even late at night the station was occupied by a roudy crowd that immediately took umbrage at my presence as I walked in. Almost like What are YOU doing here? When I told them I ran out of gas at so-and-so intersection, they became very concerned. The lady station attendant handed me a plastic gallon can to go fill with gasoline, and told me to bring it back when I'm done. She never even asked for a deposit on the can, nor payment at that moment for the contents. She just said come back and when you get more pay then. One of youths said he was on his way home and had to go by where I had abandoned my car so he could drop me off, which he did. I 'primed' the car with the one gallon can the lady had given me [could have completely left that neighborhood], drove back to the station, gave her back the can and paid for the gasoline. Where upon I profusely thanked her and went on home not too much later than expected due to all the help I had received. That experience completely erased the bad impression of the Hispanic community I had formed, ...up until that event. Now I realize, if you NEED help, you'll probably get a shirt off someone's back. Maybe yes, maybe no, depending...Mexico, yes; USA, maybe. I was driving from Veracruz, Mexico to Florida and stopped in Victoria, Texas for gas late in the afternoon. After fueling, the car was dead in the water; fortunately, it was across the street from a repair place and they determined that the starter was dead. They were just closing and couldn't fix me til the next AM so I decided to get a jump start and go on to Houston, figuring I had a shot at finding a repair place open in the evening there. The plan was to drive around until I spotted a place then leave the engine running while I checked to see if they could take care of me. So I get to Houston, drive around, spot a place, stop to check and immediately turn off the engine (force of habit is very strong). DAMN! Oh, well, no big deal, there was a very busy self serve gas station next door so I'd have no problem getting a push. Remember, I was coming from Mexico where I had been living; got a problem there and people come flying out of the woodwork to help. It turned out that the AUTO REPAIR PARTS place where I had stopped was just auto repair PARTS, no repair so I started asking people at the gas station for a push. I might as well have been asking to beat them senseless with a 2x4. I asked 6-10 people, all looked at me as if I was some sort of deranged pervert. I spent the night at a motel, got fixed the next day. Just as well, I was getting to the age where 40 hours straight driving was a bit much. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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On 11/5/2013 6:12 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 11/4/2013 11:36 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote: The attitude of folks living in rural America is quite different from that of people living in urban areas. If you had lost your wallet in Washington D.C. or New York City, the money and credit cards would have been removed then the wallet tossed into the nearest trash can. If the wallet had been found by a congressman, you would have gotten the wallet back with taxes taken out of the money. ^_^ TDD In DC, they would probably mail the wallet back (no charge, franking) minus the cash and CC, and a tax levy bill included. Wallet returned in NYC? Fugeddabouddit. Around Birmingham, it really depends on the area and the individual. I found a new Motorola cellphone and belt clip in a trashcan where I was doing some work where me and JH were moving some equipment to a the new location of a women's clothing store. I got home with the phone and had a charger that would fit so I charged it up, found it was working then discovered a phone book entry labeled "Mom". I called the number, got voice mail, left my name and number explaining that I had found the phone. I later got a call from a young woman who had lost the phone in the clothing store. I met her at a service station nearby and returned it to her. Someone asked me why I returned the phone and my answer was, "It wasn't mine." Simple huh? ^_^ TDD |
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On 11/5/2013 9:34 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
Around Birmingham, it really depends on the area and the individual. I found a new Motorola cellphone and belt clip in a trashcan where I was doing some work where me and JH were moving some equipment to a the new location of a women's clothing store. I got home with the phone and had a charger that would fit so I charged it up, found it was working then discovered a phone book entry labeled "Mom". I called the number, got voice mail, left my name and number explaining that I had found the phone. I later got a call from a young woman who had lost the phone in the clothing store. I met her at a service station nearby and returned it to her. Someone asked me why I returned the phone and my answer was, "It wasn't mine." Simple huh? ^_^ TDD "thought you might want it back...." One time when I was working at a factory, a woman lost her eye glasses. She put out the word, and we searched the trash barrels, dumpsters, etc. The factory found four or five pair of Rx eye glasses, none hers. Not sure if she ever got them back. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/5/2013 6:12 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 11/4/2013 11:36 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote: The attitude of folks living in rural America is quite different from that of people living in urban areas. If you had lost your wallet in Washington D.C. or New York City, the money and credit cards would have been removed then the wallet tossed into the nearest trash can. If the wallet had been found by a congressman, you would have gotten the wallet back with taxes taken out of the money. ^_^ TDD In DC, they would probably mail the wallet back (no charge, franking) minus the cash and CC, and a tax levy bill included. Wallet returned in NYC? Fugeddabouddit. Around Birmingham, it really depends on the area and the individual. Actually, everywhere, it depends only on the individual. An honest caring person will make an effort to return it wherever they live. So it depends on who finds it, and whether there is sufficient info within to find the owner. |
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Jon Danniken wrote:
On 11/04/2013 08:33 AM, RobertMacy wrote: [snip] And what does this have to do with home repair? Nothing. Jon You may need that misplaced money to buy home repair stuff? -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeros after @ |
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On 11/5/2013 11:16 AM, Bob F wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote: On 11/5/2013 6:12 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 11/4/2013 11:36 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote: The attitude of folks living in rural America is quite different from that of people living in urban areas. If you had lost your wallet in Washington D.C. or New York City, the money and credit cards would have been removed then the wallet tossed into the nearest trash can. If the wallet had been found by a congressman, you would have gotten the wallet back with taxes taken out of the money. ^_^ TDD In DC, they would probably mail the wallet back (no charge, franking) minus the cash and CC, and a tax levy bill included. Wallet returned in NYC? Fugeddabouddit. Around Birmingham, it really depends on the area and the individual. Actually, everywhere, it depends only on the individual. An honest caring person will make an effort to return it wherever they live. So it depends on who finds it, and whether there is sufficient info within to find the owner. I was lucky to find her mom's number on the phone, otherwise it would have been harder to track her down. It bugs me to find lost property and not know who to contact. I've had folks return my property before so I try to return the favor but there are those times when my property has vanished, never to be seen again. o_O TDD |
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On 11/4/2013 9:33 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
From a 'Documentary Film Producer', slightly paraphrased: While traveling through northern Arizona with a full camera crew we stopped for petrol and refreshments at a town deemed a "Mormon Town". While getting back into our van my wallet containing $1200 [need cash for trips] fell from my pocket; the loss going unnoticed until much further down the road. Upon discovering the loss, we turned back to the logical location where I could have lost my wallet. We searched and searched, but found nothing anywhere. So went inside and inquired if anybody had turned in a wallet. Someone had! Upon confirming my name, the gentleman [who had actually also found the wallet] returned it to me. Upon checking the contents, I found the whole of the funds completely intact. I offered a reward to the man who replied, "No, but thank you. I could not possibly accept any reward for it would lessen my reward from Jesus Christ." [words to that effect.] Just thought you'd like to hear something GOOD for a change. RTFM. One's reward comes from believing that Jesus is the son of God, that he was a real man, that he came to Earth, and that he died on the cross to take away our sins so that we might have eternal life. Those who accept this, and his teachings will reap the rewards. No amount of good deeds can get you into heaven. (This is one of the major different points between Mormonism and Christianity, where Mormons believe that their good deeds and temple rituals get them their own planet in the heavenly universe.) And no modified doctrines or "new" prophecies will create new rules and/or change the Word of God. Galatians 1:6-9, Rev. 22:18-19. It is interesting that almost the last word of the Bible is a warning against adding to the Bible or changing it. Many strong warnings are given against people who want to be false teachers, or just followers who are easily lead. James 3:1. The Bible is full of warnings of the coming churches, many passages aimed directly at the LDS faith. In Titus 1:5-9, the requirements for a deacon are spelled out. It describes a fully grown married man with children. In the LDS faith, boys are made deacons automatically at age 12. But the Mormons say, " The bible is true as far as it is correctly interpreted." That statement converts to strike out anything that contradicts Mormonism. Well, if you strike chapter and verse that are directly copied from the Bible to Book of Mormon, you'd have a skeleton left. And if the Bible is not true, and the Book of Mormon is based on the bible, then it, too is not true. You can't have it both ways. So far, no trace of the ancient Mormon civilization they created in the New World has been found. Not one inscription. Not one potshard. The Smithsonian has stated that on paper. And their numbers were described "as many as the grains of sand on the beach." This is a direct plagiarism from a Bible verse. Recent DNA studies of 3500 North and South American Indian tribes shows that only .05% of all the current Indian tribes in North and South America came from the Middle east, the area where the founders Laman and Lemuel came from. Most came from the areas of Siberia and Mongolia. The Mormons had been claiming all Indians as descendents of the Mormons, until the Indians took exception, and took them to task legally. They were also baptizing victims of the Holocaust, and the Jewish faith took that to task. Essentially, it amounted to changing the faith of a Jew to a Mormon by the baptism of a young proxy temple worker at a LDS temple behind locked doors. But, hey, until you're caught, it's okay, right? Put it this way: A decent honest person would have returned the wallet just because it was the right thing to do. No rewards expected. Christian, Hindu, Mormon, Taoist, or Shintu. Right is right, and we don't get any points for doing what is right. Especially if someone finds out about it. Anonymous good deeds are the only pure ones. Deborah Laake - Secret Ceremonies ........ a book of a Mormon woman. An interesting read, but sometimes it takes three months to get one at a local library, as Mormons check out the book for a year at a time, and pay the fine to keep it out of public circulation. Steve ex-Mormon www.exmormon.org Hear it from people who BTDT And whatever you believe, investigate it thoroughly. |
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:36:42 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote: The attitude of folks living in rural America is quite different from that of people living in urban areas. If you had lost your wallet in Washington D.C. or New York City, the money and credit cards would have been removed then the wallet tossed into the nearest trash can. If the wallet had been found by a congressman, you would have gotten the wallet back with taxes taken out of the money. ^_^ TDD You reminded me about the FBI's ABSCAM Sting. Congress Critter took $25,000 (marked money). Drove around and started spending it. He said to the FBI: 'I was doing my own investigation and needed gas' or something like that :) When he was cleaning prison toilets at Club Fed he learned some stuff. |
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On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 17:59:48 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote: That experience completely erased the bad impression of the Hispanic community I had formed, ...up until that event. Now I realize, if you NEED help, you'll probably get a shirt off someone's back. +1 .... I grew up in the segregated South. A descendant of slave owners. I became completely different from that culture. I only see green. |
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"SteveB" wrote in message
And whatever you believe, investigate it thoroughly. That's an excellent admonition. No offense intended but one of the things that people might want to check is how the bible came to be (if it pertains to you). The origin of the book of Mormon could stand some scrutiny too. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 08:34:45 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote: discovered a phone book entry labeled "Mom". I called the number, got voice mail, left my name and number explaining that I had found the phone. I can't exactly recall now, but things I have read is to use ECN (emergency contact number) ? It had something to do with paramedics, etc. You can put several numbers under 'ECN'. They can reach your family on your cell phone. |
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On 11/5/2013 1:10 PM, SteveB wrote:
RTFM. One's reward comes from believing that Jesus is the son of God, that he was a real man, that he came to Earth, and that he died on the cross to take away our sins so that we might have eternal life. Those who accept this, and his teachings will reap the rewards. CY: Sing it, bro! No amount of good deeds can get you into heaven. CY: Nope, but good deeds sure can improve things once you get there. Unlike binary (are you a 100 or a 0?) Christians, Mormons believe that hard work and keeping the commandments has its reward. (This is one of the major different points between Mormonism and Christianity, where Mormons believe that their good deeds and temple rituals get them their own planet in the heavenly universe.) And no modified doctrines or "new" prophecies will create new rules and/or change the Word of God. Galatians 1:6-9, Rev. 22:18-19. It is interesting that almost the last word of the Bible is a warning against adding to the Bible or changing it. CY: Which was put there in about 1,000 AD by King James men. But, it didn't say that God has finished speaking. Many strong warnings are given against people who want to be false teachers, or just followers who are easily lead. James 3:1. The Bible is full of warnings of the coming churches, many passages aimed directly at the LDS faith. CY: Says you.... In Titus 1:5-9, the requirements for a deacon are spelled out. It describes a fully grown married man with children. In the LDS faith, boys are made deacons automatically at age 12. CY: You don't know much about the Mormon faith, I see? But the Mormons say, " The bible is true as far as it is correctly interpreted." That statement converts to strike out anything that contradicts Mormonism. Well, if you strike chapter and verse that are directly copied from the Bible to Book of Mormon, you'd have a skeleton left. And if the Bible is not true, and the Book of Mormon is based on the bible, then it, too is not true. You can't have it both ways. So far, no trace of the ancient Mormon civilization they created in the New World has been found. Not one inscription. Not one potshard. The Smithsonian has stated that on paper. And their numbers were described "as many as the grains of sand on the beach." This is a direct plagiarism from a Bible verse. CY: I've heard that old bit about "no trace". It's a crock, plenty of trace. http://www.fairlds.org/authors/ash-m...book-of-mormon Recent DNA studies of 3500 North and South American Indian tribes shows that only .05% of all the current Indian tribes in North and South America came from the Middle east, the area where the founders Laman and Lemuel came from. Most came from the areas of Siberia and Mongolia. The Mormons had been claiming all Indians as descendents of the Mormons, until the Indians took exception, and took them to task legally. CY: Be curious to see some evidence of this. They were also baptizing victims of the Holocaust, and the Jewish faith took that to task. Essentially, it amounted to changing the faith of a Jew to a Mormon by the baptism of a young proxy temple worker at a LDS temple behind locked doors. But, hey, until you're caught, it's okay, right? CY: You display your ignorance, again. The ordinances are optional to the deceased. They don't have to convert. Yes, the Jews did object, and the practice has been discontinued. Put it this way: A decent honest person would have returned the wallet just because it was the right thing to do. No rewards expected. Christian, Hindu, Mormon, Taoist, or Shintu. Right is right, and we don't get any points for doing what is right. Especially if someone finds out about it. Anonymous good deeds are the only pure ones. Deborah Laake - Secret Ceremonies ........ a book of a Mormon woman. An interesting read, but sometimes it takes three months to get one at a local library, as Mormons check out the book for a year at a time, and pay the fine to keep it out of public circulation. Steve ex-Mormon www.exmormon.org Hear it from people who BTDT CY: hear it from people who lost their faith, and have become antagonists. Not any chance of objective truth, here. And whatever you believe, investigate it thoroughly. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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OF FAITH. In the spring of 1842, the Prophet Joseph Smith sent a letter to John Wentworth, who was editor of a newspaper called the Chicago Democrat. This letter contained an account of many of the events of early Church history. The document also contained thirteen statements outlining Latter-day Saint beliefs. These have come to be known as the Articles of Faith, which are given below. The Articles of Faith are official doctrine of the Church and have been canonized as a part of latter-day scripture. They are clear statements of belief that help members understand the basic beliefs of the Church and explain these beliefs to others. They are not, however, a complete summary of Church doctrine. Through living prophets, the Church is guided by continuous revelation and inspiration. 1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. 2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression. 3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. 4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel a first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. 5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof. 6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth. 7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth. 8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. 9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God. 10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory. 11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may. 12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. 13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul--We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things. Joseph Smith. |
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"Oren" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 08:34:45 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote: discovered a phone book entry labeled "Mom". I called the number, got voice mail, left my name and number explaining that I had found the phone. I can't exactly recall now, but things I have read is to use ECN (emergency contact number) ? It had something to do with paramedics, etc. You can put several numbers under 'ECN'. They can reach your family on your cell phone. ============================= I've always heard to use ICE (In Case of Emergency) |
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Oren wrote:
On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 17:59:48 -0700, RobertMacy wrote: That experience completely erased the bad impression of the Hispanic community I had formed, ...up until that event. Now I realize, if you NEED help, you'll probably get a shirt off someone's back. +1 ... I grew up in the segregated South. A descendant of slave owners. I became completely different from that culture. I only see green. In 1956 I was living in NY and serving in the Navy. The first time I saw segregation was when taking the ferry across Hampton Roads to Norfolk. There was a bathroom labeled Colored. Never saw that in NY. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeros after @ |
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On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:34:03 -0600, "leonard hofstadter"
wrote: "Oren" wrote in message ... On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 08:34:45 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote: discovered a phone book entry labeled "Mom". I called the number, got voice mail, left my name and number explaining that I had found the phone. I can't exactly recall now, but things I have read is to use ECN (emergency contact number) ? It had something to do with paramedics, etc. You can put several numbers under 'ECN'. They can reach your family on your cell phone. .... I've always heard to use ICE (In Case of Emergency) What you said; sounds like what I could not recall. Use the phone entry as ICE. Thanks. |
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On 11/5/2013 1:24 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 17:59:48 -0700, RobertMacy wrote: That experience completely erased the bad impression of the Hispanic community I had formed, ...up until that event. Now I realize, if you NEED help, you'll probably get a shirt off someone's back. +1 ... I grew up in the segregated South. A descendant of slave owners. I became completely different from that culture. I only see green. I also grew up in the segregated South but my Southern ancestors were abolitionists. Most people don't know that only 5% of White people in the South owned slaves, heck, there were free Blacks who owned slaves some of whom were White but no kid will ever hear that in a history class inside a government school. Half my relatives are Yankees and the South freaks them out. Like many non-Southerners, they think there's a Black man hanging from every other tree and Confederate battle flags flying from every flagpole and as bumper stickers on the only vehicle Southerners drive which is a pickup truck with the bed of the truck full of drunken Rednecks shouting "Yee Haw!" often dressed in white robes on their way to a cross burning. Of course every White family has Black servants with a cook named Aunt Jemima. You can't forget the cotton plantations everywhere with Black folks doing the back breaking work of picking cotton by hand. We Southerners try to keep Yankees believing the Hollywood stereotype to keep them away because when they come down South and see how beautiful the country is and how wonderful the people actually are, the Yankees won't go home! ^_^ TDD |
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On 11-05-2013, 10:06, Stormin Mormon wrote:
One time when I was working at a factory, a woman lost her eye glasses. She put out the word, and we searched the trash barrels, dumpsters, etc. The factory found four or five pair of Rx eye glasses, none hers. Not sure if she ever got them back. Suppose it could have been a "troll" ? At my high school's "homecoming bonfire" someone suddenly said "Nobody move! I just dropped my contact!" So all the people in the little group got down and started hunting. After a little bit, I heard him say it again--somewhere else. The people near me either weren't paying attention or couldn't hear as well as I could and they kept on hunting. I didn't say anything for a while, and he did it several times more, till there were several small groups in all parts of the field looking for a contact lens in the dark. -- Wes Groleau You always have time for what you do first. |
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On 11-05-2013, 12:44, The Daring Dufas wrote:
I was lucky to find her mom's number on the phone, otherwise it would have been harder to track her down. It bugs me to find lost property and not know who to contact. I've had folks return my property before so I try to return the favor but there are those times when my property has vanished, never to be seen again. o_O My son called me from work on a borrowed phone saying he had lost his. I walked along the route to there, dialing the number frequently and listening. After I had gone about a mile, my phone rang and someone said, "Did you lose a phone?" Person who found it would have kept it but he couldn't figure out how to operate it, so he gave it to some much nicer people that lived near him. :-) -- Wes Groleau Change is inevitable. We need to learn that €śinevitable" is neither a synonym for €śgood" nor for €śbad.€ť |
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On 11-05-2013, 13:10, SteveB wrote:
contradicts Mormonism. Well, if you strike chapter and verse that are directly copied from the Bible to Book of Mormon, you'd have a skeleton left. And if the Bible is not true, and the Book of Mormon is based on the bible, then it, too is not true. You can't have it both ways. The Book of Mormon does include some quotes from the real Bible, but they are only a small percentage of the whole thing. I find it interesting that the book of Mormon contradicts some of Joseph Smith's later writings: 3 Nephi 24:6 €” "For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Jacob 2:24 €” "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord." Compare that to http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132.39?lang=eng#38 Now, did God really give David something that was abominable before Him? -- Wes Groleau €śThere ain't nothin' in this world that's worth being a snot over.€ť €” Larry Wall |
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On 11-05-2013, 13:10, SteveB wrote:
They were also baptizing victims of the Holocaust, and the Jewish faith took that to task. Essentially, it amounted to changing the faith of a Jew to a Mormon by the baptism of a young proxy temple worker at a LDS temple behind locked doors. No. Mormon doctrine (as explained to me, perhaps incorrectly) says that in the afterlife, those who weren't Mormons will have "the truth" explained to them. It will still be THEIR choice to accept it or not. But if they accept, they still can't get in unless baptized by proxy. Right or wrong, those proxies are attempting to help those people. And to the descendanst of those people protesting, I ask, WHY? If the Mormons are wrong, their well-intentioned actions are at least keeping them busy doing something other than proselytizing--while having absolutely no effect on your or your ancestors. And if they are right, then your protest makes YOU the one deciding to keep you ancestors from the blessings. Either way, they are also keeping records that will help any of your descendants interested in genealogy. -- Wes Groleau Don't get even €” get odd! |
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On 11/5/13 7:46 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
I also grew up in the segregated South but my Southern ancestors were abolitionists. Most people don't know that only 5% of White people in the South owned slaves, heck, there were free Blacks who owned slaves some of whom were White but no kid will ever hear that in a history class inside a government school. Half my relatives are Yankees and the South freaks them out. Like many non-Southerners, they think there's a Black man hanging from every other tree and Confederate battle flags flying from every flagpole and as bumper stickers on the only vehicle Southerners drive which is a pickup truck with the bed of the truck full of drunken Rednecks shouting "Yee Haw!" often dressed in white robes on their way to a cross burning. Of course every White family has Black servants with a cook named Aunt Jemima. You can't forget the cotton plantations everywhere with Black folks doing the back breaking work of picking cotton by hand. We Southerners try to keep Yankees believing the Hollywood stereotype to keep them away because when they come down South and see how beautiful the country is and how wonderful the people actually are, the Yankees won't go home! ^_^ TDD It's a wonder ya'll don't die from boredom due to lack of seasons. I understand it when southerners play bumper cars when it snows. What doesn't make sense is when it people here in Nebraska do it. We have winter here almost every year. |
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On 11/4/2013 3:35 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 11/4/2013 3:52 PM, Jon Danniken wrote: On 11/04/2013 08:33 AM, RobertMacy wrote: [snip] And what does this have to do with home repair? Nothing. Jon Yes, it sure is off topic. It really needs to be labelled OT. You are talking about someone who can't grasp the concept of bottom posting. Someone who follows a religion that promises each good participant their own personal planet after death. Well, not the women, they are one step above a cow. It is doubtful they won't get the concept of OT. Steve |
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On 11/5/2013 12:35 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"SteveB" wrote in message And whatever you believe, investigate it thoroughly. That's an excellent admonition. No offense intended but one of the things that people might want to check is how the bible came to be (if it pertains to you). The origin of the book of Mormon could stand some scrutiny too. With the expansion of new ET evidence, and the across-the-board similarities of the founding of most religions by "Sky People", even my beliefs are shaking. But, basically, I think in all it comes back to a light/dark, good/evil mentality. I just know that living among people who believe in something greater than man or even just greater than the sum total of mankind, is better than living in a world of people who don't. I know, having tried both. Steve |
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On 11/5/2013 2:06 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
No amount of good deeds can get you into heaven. CY: Nope, but good deeds sure can improve things once you get there. Unlike binary (are you a 100 or a 0?) Christians, Mormons believe that hard work and keeping the commandments has its reward. Nope. It's grace based, a free gift, and deeds amount for naught. It's in that pesky Bible thing. Is there grades of Heaven? Regular heaven? New Improved heaven? Hilton Heaven? Not in my faith, but in yours. (This is one of the major different points between Mormonism and Christianity, where Mormons believe that their good deeds and temple rituals get them their own planet in the heavenly universe.) And no modified doctrines or "new" prophecies will create new rules and/or change the Word of God. Galatians 1:6-9, Rev. 22:18-19. It is interesting that almost the last word of the Bible is a warning against adding to the Bible or changing it. CY: Which was put there in about 1,000 AD by King James men. But, it didn't say that God has finished speaking. He has until the Second Coming Many strong warnings are given against people who want to be false teachers, or just followers who are easily lead. James 3:1. The Bible is full of warnings of the coming churches, many passages aimed directly at the LDS faith. CY: Says you.... If the shoe fits .............. In Titus 1:5-9, the requirements for a deacon are spelled out. It describes a fully grown married man with children. In the LDS faith, boys are made deacons automatically at age 12. CY: You don't know much about the Mormon faith, I see? Well, actually in 14 years I did learn a few things. Why ARE unmarried childless boys allowed to be deacons in LDS? But the Mormons say, " The bible is true as far as it is correctly interpreted." That statement converts to strike out anything that contradicts Mormonism. Well, if you strike chapter and verse that are directly copied from the Bible to Book of Mormon, you'd have a skeleton left. And if the Bible is not true, and the Book of Mormon is based on the bible, then it, too is not true. You can't have it both ways. So far, no trace of the ancient Mormon civilization they created in the New World has been found. Not one inscription. Not one potshard. The Smithsonian has stated that on paper. And their numbers were described "as many as the grains of sand on the beach." This is a direct plagiarism from a Bible verse. CY: I've heard that old bit about "no trace". It's a crock, plenty of trace. http://www.fairlds.org/authors/ash-m...book-of-mormon Can you give us something written by say the Smithsonian, or some museum, and not the LDS church or one of its lackeys? If there were archaeological evidence, the LDS church would put up a museum the next day. Recent DNA studies of 3500 North and South American Indian tribes shows that only .05% of all the current Indian tribes in North and South America came from the Middle east, the area where the founders Laman and Lemuel came from. Most came from the areas of Siberia and Mongolia. The Mormons had been claiming all Indians as descendents of the Mormons, until the Indians took exception, and took them to task legally. CY: Be curious to see some evidence of this. Google Mormon DNA study. Or Mormon DNA controversy. Or go to http://www.equip.org/articles/dna-sc...s-lds-history/ One of the professors at BYU participated in the DNA studies, and just said it posed an uncomfortable position for him. And realize that a lot of the results are validated by this well known DNA expert. They were also baptizing victims of the Holocaust, and the Jewish faith took that to task. Essentially, it amounted to changing the faith of a Jew to a Mormon by the baptism of a young proxy temple worker at a LDS temple behind locked doors. But, hey, until you're caught, it's okay, right? CY: You display your ignorance, again. The ordinances are optional to the deceased. They don't have to convert. Yes, the Jews did object, and the practice has been discontinued. If they are deceased, how can their wishes be known, and their choice be optional? In all the secret temples in the world, are young men being baptized every couple of minutes in the name of deceased people by the tens of thousands. Even getting to the point of some of the young men developing medical conditions related to extended immersion of human skin in water? The roles of these people are so long that it would take years to even find relatives to give their permission for a small number of deceased people. Steve ex-Mormon www.exmormon.org Hear it from people who BTDT CY: hear it from people who lost their faith, and have become antagonists. Not any chance of objective truth, here. Many didn't lose their faith. Many went on to other faiths. Many are still following God. Some are rightfully distrustful of any religions after going through what they did. Read their stories. Some scary stuff. I have many memories from my own LDS experiences and my youth and my observations of life within Mormon households ruled by a human "God." Horrible beatings. Child molestation of both sexes. Bad stuff. And whatever you believe, investigate it thoroughly. Face it. I'm ignorant, and you are brainwashed. But the difference is that I can change. You, on the other hand, will remain on the lower level of the Ponzi pyramid scheme called the LDS church, not being given information that is classified "NEED TO KNOW ONLY" until you climb up the levels. Most Mormons are like that. Comfortable to enjoy the lifestyle and culture, yet uninformed of the history or true beliefs of their own faith, and unable to answer basic questions about it. And don't ask anything past your pay grade, or you'll be asked to leave. DAMHIKT. Roll over. You're done. |
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On 11-06-2013, 00:18, SteveB wrote:
On 11/5/2013 2:06 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: CY: Nope, but good deeds sure can improve things once you get there. Unlike binary (are you a 100 or a 0?) Christians, Mormons believe that hard work and keeping the commandments has its reward. Nope. It's grace based, a free gift, and deeds amount for naught. It's Deeds can't save you. But that's not the same as "amount for naught." I Cor. 3:13-15 James 2:14-26 -- Wes Groleau Change is inevitable. We need to learn that €śinevitable" is neither a synonym for €śgood" nor for €śbad.€ť |
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On 11/5/2013 8:46 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
I also grew up in the segregated South but my Southern ancestors were abolitionists. Most people don't know that only 5% of White people in the South owned slaves, heck, there were free Blacks who owned slaves some of whom were White but no kid will ever hear that in a history class inside a government school. Half my relatives are Yankees and the South freaks them out. Like many non-Southerners, they think there's a Black man hanging from every other tree and Confederate battle flags flying from every flagpole and as bumper stickers on the only vehicle Southerners drive which is a pickup truck with the bed of the truck full of drunken Rednecks shouting "Yee Haw!" often dressed in white robes on their way to a cross burning. Of course every White family has Black servants with a cook named Aunt Jemima. You can't forget the cotton plantations everywhere with Black folks doing the back breaking work of picking cotton by hand. We Southerners try to keep Yankees believing the Hollywood stereotype to keep them away because when they come down South and see how beautiful the country is and how wonderful the people actually are, the Yankees won't go home! ^_^ TDD What scares us more, is all the drunk, gun toting rednecks. Us northern people are scared silly of guns. They could go off at any instant, and kill us all. Even if we're standing on the far side of some where, we're all going to die. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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On 11/5/2013 8:57 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 11-05-2013, 10:06, Stormin Mormon wrote: One time when I was working at a factory, a woman lost her eye glasses. She put out the word, and we searched the trash barrels, dumpsters, etc. The factory found four or five pair of Rx eye glasses, none hers. Not sure if she ever got them back. Suppose it could have been a "troll" ? At my high school's "homecoming bonfire" someone suddenly said "Nobody move! I just dropped my contact!" So all the people in the little group got down and started hunting. After a little bit, I heard him say it again--somewhere else. The people near me either weren't paying attention or couldn't hear as well as I could and they kept on hunting. I didn't say anything for a while, and he did it several times more, till there were several small groups in all parts of the field looking for a contact lens in the dark. I guess it's possible. But, that's not the sense I got at that moment. It's been a lot of years, but I remember her being very believable. I've also known of people to lose a contact lens outdoors, got asked to borrow my flash light one time for just that. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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On 11/5/2013 9:34 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 11-05-2013, 13:10, SteveB wrote: They were also baptizing victims of the Holocaust, and the Jewish faith took that to task. Essentially, it amounted to changing the faith of a Jew to a Mormon by the baptism of a young proxy temple worker at a LDS temple behind locked doors. No. Mormon doctrine (as explained to me, perhaps incorrectly) says that in the afterlife, those who weren't Mormons will have "the truth" explained to them. It will still be THEIR choice to accept it or not. But if they accept, they still can't get in unless baptized by proxy. Right or wrong, those proxies are attempting to help those people. And to the descendanst of those people protesting, I ask, WHY? If the Mormons are wrong, their well-intentioned actions are at least keeping them busy doing something other than proselytizing--while having absolutely no effect on your or your ancestors. And if they are right, then your protest makes YOU the one deciding to keep you ancestors from the blessings. Either way, they are also keeping records that will help any of your descendants interested in genealogy. Wes, that's well written. Pretty much what I'd have written, if I could write as well. The departed ancestors still have free choice. If we're right, we're doing them a favor. If we're wrong, they can just ignore it. I've been doing temple work for several years. Can't say as anyone deceased has made his (her) presence known and said thank you. But, who can tell? Maybe I'll find out when I go to the Great Beyond, and they can thank me there. Unless I've managed to baptize 72 Virginians. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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