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I watched a TV documenary made by the Canadian Broadcasting Company about the movie "Argo", which supposedly documents what happened during the 1979 Hostage crisis in Iran.

Those of you who are old enough to remember know that in 1979, religious radicals overthrew the government of Iran. They stormed the US embassy in Tehran and took twenty-something American diplomats hostage. Six American diplomats and agents were spirited off to the Canadian embassy in Tehran where they remained hidden until Canadian officials put a plan together to get them out of the country. Canada made up fake passports and ID for each of the hostages, and made up a story that they were a film crew out to scout a location in Iran to film a science fiction movie to be called "Argo".

The film has caused a bit of sarcastic humour here in Canada because it plays down the Canadian role in the crisis, and plays up the American role to the point where it depicts the whole "Canadian Caper" as it came to be called as being planned and executed by Americans, with Canada merely providing the embassy where it all took place.

Former President Jimmy Carter, while at Queens University in Toronto receiving an honorary doctorate degree for his charity work commented on the film. He said he was disappointed to see that all of the heroic and imaginative things done by Canadians to get the American diplomats out of Iran were left out, and they were largely replaced by even more heroic and imaginative, albeit fictitious, things being done by actors who played Americans in the film. He said that as President in 1979, he received updates every day on what was happening in Iran with the hostages, and the spiriting of 6 Americans out of the country by the Canadian embassy staff went down exactly as the news reports of the time said it did.

Ben Affleck, who plays the hero in the story who hatches the plan to get the US diplomats out, and supposedly organizes and executes the whole caper responded to reporters asking him about the storyline by saying: "Don't learn your history from the movies."

C'mon guys. We really helped you guys out back in '79. Don't gloss over our role and claim all the credit for yourselves.

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On 8/20/2013 10:41 AM, nestork wrote:
I watched a TV documenary made by the Canadian Broadcasting Company
about the movie "Argo", which supposedly documents what happened during
the 1979 Hostage crisis in Iran.

Those of you who are old enough to remember know that in 1979, religious
radicals overthrew the government of Iran. They stormed the US embassy
in Tehran and took twenty-something American diplomats hostage. Six
American diplomats and agents were spirited off to the Canadian embassy
in Tehran where they remained hidden until Canadian officials put a plan
together to get them out of the country. Canada made up fake passports
and ID for each of the hostages, and made up a story that they were a
film crew out to scout a location in Iran to film a science fiction
movie to be called "Argo".

The film has caused a bit of sarcastic humour here in Canada because it
plays down the Canadian role in the crisis, and plays up the American
role to the point where it depicts the whole "Canadian Caper" as it came
to be called as being planned and executed by Americans, with Canada
merely providing the embassy where it all took place.

Former President Jimmy Carter, while at Queens University in Toronto
receiving an honorary doctorate degree for his charity work commented on
the film. He said he was disappointed to see that all of the heroic and
imaginative things done by Canadians to get the American diplomats out
of Iran were left out, and they were largely replaced by even more
heroic and imaginative, albeit fictitious, things being done by the
supposedly "American" actors. He said he received updates every day on
what was happening in Iran with the hostages, and it went down exactly
as the news reports of the time said it did.

Ben Affleck, who plays the hero in the story who hatches the plan to get
the US diplomats out, and supposedly organizes and executes the whole
caper responded to reporters asking him about the storyline by saying:
"Don't learn your history from the movies."

C'mon guys. We really helped you guys out back in '79. Don't gloss
over our role and claim all the credit for yourselves.

since when, ever, have you known hollywood to get history right?

affleck is correct. what makes you think that we (the us) is doing so
when you're referring to a movie (ie: fiction)?

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"nestork" wrote in message

I watched a TV documenary made by the Canadian
Broadcasting Company about the movie "Argo", which
supposedly documents what happened during the 1979
Hostage crisis in Iran.

Those of you who are old enough to remember know that in
1979, religious radicals overthrew the government of
Iran. They stormed the US embassy in Tehran and took
twenty-something American diplomats hostage. Six
American diplomats and agents were spirited off to the
Canadian embassy in Tehran where they remained hidden
until Canadian officials put a plan together to get them
out of the country. Canada made up fake passports and ID
for each of the hostages, and made up a story that they
were a film crew out to scout a location in Iran to film
a science fiction movie to be called "Argo".

The film has caused a bit of sarcastic humour here in
Canada because it plays down the Canadian role in the
crisis, and plays up the American role to the point where
it depicts the whole "Canadian Caper" as it came to be
called as being planned and executed by Americans, with
Canada merely providing the embassy where it all took
place.

Former President Jimmy Carter, while at Queens University
in Toronto receiving an honorary doctorate degree for his
charity work commented on the film. He said he was
disappointed to see that all of the heroic and
imaginative things done by Canadians to get the American
diplomats out of Iran were left out, and they were
largely replaced by even more heroic and imaginative,
albeit fictitious, things being done by the supposedly
"American" actors. He said he received updates every day
on what was happening in Iran with the hostages, and it
went down exactly as the news reports of the time said it
did.

Ben Affleck, who plays the hero in the story who hatches
the plan to get the US diplomats out, and supposedly
organizes and executes the whole caper responded to
reporters asking him about the storyline by saying:
"Don't learn your history from the movies."

C'mon guys. We really helped you guys out back in '79.
Don't gloss over our role and claim all the credit for
yourselves.

Many of us remember what Canada did. We also remember what Carter did not
fo.

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On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:41:11 PM UTC-4, nestork wrote:
I watched a TV documenary made by the Canadian Broadcasting Company

about the movie "Argo", which supposedly documents what happened during

the 1979 Hostage crisis in Iran.



Did you watch Argo?




Those of you who are old enough to remember know that in 1979, religious

radicals overthrew the government of Iran. They stormed the US embassy

in Tehran and took twenty-something American diplomats hostage. Six

American diplomats and agents were spirited off to the Canadian embassy

in Tehran where they remained hidden until Canadian officials put a plan

together to get them out of the country.

So, you're saying it was Canadian officials, not the CIA who came up with
the idea of creating a fake Hollywood movie being filmed in
Iran as the cover to get the Americans out? That CIA operative Antonio
Mendez, who Afleck portrays, is lying when he says he conceived the idea
and put it together?


"Of all the groups heading into Iran, it wasn’t implausible to imagine a group of self-absorbed Hollywood eccentrics traveling there in the middle of a revolution to find the perfect locations for their movie.

Beyond that, it had the one quality that I felt the other potential cover stories lacked. It was fun, which I knew would help the six “houseguests.” We were going to walk them out through Tehran airport and right onto a commercial plane. They might be stopped; they might be questioned about what they did. And they needed to be comfortable with their new identities. We figured anyone knows enough about Hollywood to fake a little movie-making patter.

Now I needed to convince everyone else at the CIA—and the Canadians—that this crazy idea was our best shot. And we had to work on the back story. We needed a Hollywood office, so if the Iranians’ people called our people, they’d hear something on the phone that confirmed we were legit. We would need to set up our own production company, which I had decided to call “Studio Six Productions,” after the six houseguests trapped in Iran. And we needed to plant ads and articles in the trade press about our new project.

Our first priority was to get office space [in L.A.]. Film companies often are created and disbanded overnight, so the film business caters to short-term leases. It only took us about an hour of calling around to find what we needed. Apparently, Michael Douglas had just finished producing The China Syndrome and we could have his offices on the Columbia Pictures lot.


I had brought a list of the houseguests in Tehran and their various ages and names. Any credible person in the film business would need a long string of previous credits. The trick was finding those kinds of jobs that give a person clout— art director, cinematographer, transportation coordinator—without the kind of marquis billing that a director or producer might get, which would be easier for the Iranians to check.
"


He goes on, but you get the point. If you have a Canadian who
claims they conceived the idea and put together most of it, got
Holywood involved to create the cover story, etc, I'd be happy to
read their version.




Canada made up fake passports

and ID for each of the hostages, and made up a story that they were a

film crew out to scout a location in Iran to film a science fiction

movie to be called "Argo".



The film has caused a bit of sarcastic humour here in Canada because it

plays down the Canadian role in the crisis, and plays up the American

role to the point where it depicts the whole "Canadian Caper" as it came

to be called as being planned and executed by Americans, with Canada

merely providing the embassy where it all took place.



I believe the idea for the escape was planned by and mostly executed by the CIA. Did Canada play
a major role, yes? Those Canadians at the embassy put their lives
on the line right from the beginning, allowing the Americans to hide in the embassy. I think that part is clear from the movie.
I don't doubt that they helped create ID's,
cover stories, helped lie, etc. But I don't think that changes the fact that
it was a CIA plan to get them out and that the movie has a lot of
it right.




Former President Jimmy Carter, while at Queens University in Toronto

receiving an honorary doctorate degree for his charity work commented on

the film. He said he was disappointed to see that all of the heroic and

imaginative things done by Canadians to get the American diplomats out

of Iran were left out, and they were largely replaced by even more

heroic and imaginative, albeit fictitious, things being done by the

supposedly "American" actors. He said he received updates every day on

what was happening in Iran with the hostages, and it went down exactly

as the news reports of the time said it did.



The whole thing was a secret operation. There were no news
reports at the time.







Ben Affleck, who plays the hero in the story who hatches the plan to get

the US diplomats out, and supposedly organizes and executes the whole

caper responded to reporters asking him about the storyline by saying:

"Don't learn your history from the movies."



Ben Afleck is an actor. And like all movies, the writers and directors
take liberty with the facts. Antonio Mendez was the real CIA agent
who is played by Afleck and what Mendez said, is in part above and
his version is consistent with the movie.




C'mon guys. We really helped you guys out back in '79. Don't gloss

over our role and claim all the credit for yourselves.



Did you see Argo?

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Per nestork:
Ben Affleck, who plays the hero in the story who hatches the plan to get
the US diplomats out, and supposedly organizes and executes the whole
caper responded to reporters asking him about the storyline by saying:
"Don't learn your history from the movies."

C'mon guys. We really helped you guys out back in '79. Don't gloss
over our role and claim all the credit for yourselves.

Keep in mind that it is just a movie.

Argo comes on like a documentary, but it's not and, AFIK, does not claim
to be.

I probably watch more movies than most, and I have to keep reminding
myself that I am seeing somebody's fantasy or private version of
reality. "Inspired By..." and all that.

Documentaries are a separate case and some of them I take at face value.
"The Devil Came On Horseback", for instance.

My recalibration came when I watched the director's interview for
"Fargo".

Fargo begins with a realistic-looking "Names were changed to protect the
innocent..." scene and it really looked to me like somebody's attempt at
a documentary.

When that was put to the directors, they replied in the vein "It's a
*movie*... if you believe any of it, you got what you deserve."



--
Pete Cresswell

No, you are probably correct that it was the CIA that came up with the idea that the Americans were a CANADIAN film crew scouting out a location to film a science fiction movie. They needed to be Canadians to make the fact that they had been staying at the Canadian embassy credible.

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" wrote in
:


So, you're saying it was Canadian officials, not the CIA who came up
with the idea of creating a fake Hollywood movie being filmed in
Iran as the cover to get the Americans out? That CIA operative
Antonio Mendez, who Afleck portrays, is lying when he says he
conceived the idea and put it together?



Here's what diplomat Ken Taylor himself says about that affair:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/awards-and-festivals/film-awards/ken-taylor-sets-the-record-straight-about-argos-take-on-the-canadian-caper/article9044112/



--
Tegger

Thanks, Tegger.

"On Monday, Taylor said he was mollified by former U.S. president Jimmy Carter telling CNN’s Piers Morgan last week that the film greatly exaggerated the CIA’s role and underplayed the Canadians’ contributions. “When a U.S. citizen makes that case, it really has an authenticity to it, and a disinterest,” said Taylor. “He’s just clarifying those first three months.”

"Mollified" means pacified or appeased.

Jimmy Carter was President while that Canadian Caper happened. He says he was briefed every day on what was happening with the twenty something Americans that were being held hostage by the Iranian revolutionaries and the remaining six that were living in property owned by the Canadian government. If anyone knows what actually happened, it'd be President Carter, and he's saying the film makers both greatly exagerated the CIA's role and underplayed the Canadian role in the rescue.

I think this is just the film makers wanting to make this film more appealing to the larger American audience.

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nestork wrote in news:nestork.c59ca64
@diybanter.com:



I think this is just the film makers wanting to make this film more
appealing to the larger American audience.




Of course.

Canada is an insecure, stifled, dull nothing of a country. And all the
money is in the US anyway.


--
Tegger

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(PeteCresswell) wrote:

My recalibration came when I watched the director's interview for
"Fargo".

Yah, Marge Gunderson woulda sorted out those Iranians, you betcha.

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On 08-20-2013 13:41, nestork wrote:
C'mon guys. We really helped you guys out back in '79. Don't gloss
over our role and claim all the credit for yourselves.

Don't blame "us" for what some dingbat in Hollywood does.

--
Wes Groleau

You're all individuals!
Yes, we're all individuals!
You're all different!
Yes, we are all different!
I'm not!
("Life of Brian")

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On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:41:11 +0200, nestork
wrote in
Re The movie "Argo":

C'mon guys. We really helped you guys out back in '79. Don't gloss
over our role and claim all the credit for yourselves.

Taking "all the credit"? It's America's way of saying "thanks".
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and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
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Tegger wrote:

Canada is an insecure, stifled, dull nothing of a country.

Insecure?

Which country is turing half of it's citizens into police - to lord over
the other half?

Stifled?

The only thing we have stifled here is crime and the role of gov't in
our lives.

Dull?

I'll take "dull" if it means we're not killing ourselves by the dozens
at schools, movie theaters and military bases.

And all the money is in the US anyway.

You mean all the debt.

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dadiOH wrote:

Many of us remember what Canada did. We also remember what
Carter did not do.

Yea-

Carter did not start and get you into an endless "pre-emptive" war in
Iraq that cost you your economy and your domestic privacy and liberty.

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On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:07:07 PM UTC-4, Tegger wrote:
" wrote in

:





So, you're saying it was Canadian officials, not the CIA who came up

with the idea of creating a fake Hollywood movie being filmed in

Iran as the cover to get the Americans out? That CIA operative

Antonio Mendez, who Afleck portrays, is lying when he says he

conceived the idea and put it together?







Here's what diplomat Ken Taylor himself says about that affair:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/awards-and-festivals/film-awards/ken-taylor-sets-the-record-straight-about-argos-take-on-the-canadian-caper/article9044112/







--

Tegger


So, even Ambassador Taylor is not saying that the idea to create and use a Hollywood movie as the cover to get the Americans out was an idea created by
Canadian officals, as Nestork claims. As I said, I agree Canadians played
a major role, right from the start. But I think Nestork is probably more
inaccurate in what he's claiming than the movie. The movie Argo showed:

The incident started by the 6 Americans managing to flee to the Canadian
embassy where they were given sanctuary and kept hidden for months, either
there or at the ambassador's house.

The fake Hollywood movie idea was conceived by CIA agent Antonio Mendez,
and put together with the help of a real Hollywood producer, including
fake press releases about the movie, opening a fake movie office
in Hollywood, etc.

Mendez and others posing as those producing a scifi movie and scouting
for a location to shoot it, went to Iran, got together with the 6 Americans
at the Canadian embassy and then escorted them out,
with the 6 posing as having just come there recently as part of the movie scouting visit.

The movie I think did show that the Canadians at the embassy in Iran
were at considerable risk for their lives the whole time. It showed
what happened at the US Embassy in Iran, the violent protests in the
streets, people be killed, etc. It was clear that if the Iranians
discovered what the Canadians were doing, the same thing that just
happened at the US Embassy could have happened to them too.

I don't recall it showing who exactly produced all the fake documents required.
It did show that the fake cover story included that while the movie
involved Hollywood, the producers and company behind it were supposed to be Canadian.
It showed the 6 leaving posing as part of that Canadian crew, so of
course they had fake Canadian passports and I think Argo did show
that Canada provided the passports. If Argo specifically showed
the CIA making up those documents, then I would agree that was very unfair
to Canada.


Like so many movies that are drama based on historical events, stuff
was added for dramatic effect. The scenes showing the Iranians
having figured out that something was up, still chasing them by car
as the plane was taking off, etc were made up. That's pretty typical.
When I saw it, I figured a lot of that had been put in for dramatic
effect.

It appears per what you just posted, that they showed the Canadians telling the Americans that the embassy was going to close soon and they needed to get out
soon and that was untrue. I can see that being something that was made up
and being perceived as unfair to Canada. I'd like to see that part again to
see exactly how that was portrayed.

But overall, for a dramatic recreation of a historical event, I don't
think the movie was out of the norm or particularly unfair to Canada.
If Nestork doesn't like this, I wonder what he would have thought if
say Oliver Stone had done the movie like he did JFK. If Stone had made
Argo, it would probably have shown some sinister US and Canadian
businessmen in a dark room in Ottawa planning to screw all the Iranians
and take their oil. The heroes would have been the Russians or some
other commie creeps, who saved the day and helped the Americans escape.
In other words, it would have had no resemblance at all to reality.

And I'm still very curious to know whether Nestork even saw Argo.

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On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:41:11 PM UTC-4, nestork wrote:
I watched a TV documenary made by the Canadian Broadcasting Company about the movie "Argo",

Best line of the movie: "Argo****yourself"

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On 8/21/2013 7:26 AM, Home Guy wrote:
Tegger wrote:

Canada is an insecure, stifled, dull nothing of a country.

Insecure?

Which country is turing half of it's citizens into police - to lord over
the other half?

Stifled?

The only thing we have stifled here is crime and the role of gov't in
our lives.

Dull?

I'll take "dull" if it means we're not killing ourselves by the dozens
at schools, movie theaters and military bases.


What percentage of your population is African Canadian and radical
Muslim? ^_^

And all the money is in the US anyway.

You mean all the debt.


I'm sure Canada owes no money to anyone. ^_^

TDD

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On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 6:13:05 AM UTC-7, Thomas wrote:
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:41:11 PM UTC-4, nestork wrote:

I watched a TV documenary made by the Canadian Broadcasting Company about the movie "Argo",



Best line of the movie: "Argo****yourself"

Do you have a link? I couldn't find. YouTube doesn't have.


TIA

HB

No, I'm not much of one for going to movie theatres to see movies. I just wait until they finish their rounds in South America and Africa and they start being shown on TV.

The last movie I saw in a movie theatre was the first Star Wars movie cuz of all the hype surrounding it at the time, and friends were going, so I went too.

What I saw was a CBC documentary on TV about the film Argo pointing out where the movie had minimized the role played by Canadians and exagerated the role played by the CIA, and I thought I had all the information, but when I tried to remember specific details (like who came up with the plan to call them employees of a Canadian movie company scouting a location for a science fiction film), I found I couldn't remember. But, Tegger posted that link to what former Ambassador Taylor and former President Carter said, and that's good enough for me because those guys were involved in the situation when it happened back in 1979.

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"dadiOH" wrote in message
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stuff snipped

Many of us remember what Canada did. We also remember what Carter did not
fo.

Movies about history should merely be considered "teasers" for finding out
what really happened. There must be a site for movies that diverge from
historical reality.

There are an awful lot of one-off's about various movies but only this site
seems to have tackled more than one:

http://www.cracked.com/article_17326...full-****.html

and they take on "Mississipi Burning, A Beautiful Mind, Remember the Titans,
The Last King of Scotland, Hoosiers, Frost/Nixon."

Other sites have complaints about "Gladiator, Zero Dark Thirty, The Hurt
Locker, etc."

There is a book, however:

http://www.amazon.com/Based-True-Sto.../dp/B005M4IE8E

The comments mention dozens of movies that have had minor to major "fixes"
made to them.

Carter was a pretty awful President because of a number of shortcomings,
particularly his poor understanding of how "sausage (law) is made."
Ironically the failed hostage rescue attempt may have resulted in something
that really needed doing - the passage of the Goldwater-Nichols Act:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwat...%93Nichols_Act

that literally forced inter-service cooperation and interoperability between
the Army, Navy and the Air Force:

The Goldwater-Nichols Act was an attempt to fix problems caused by
inter-service rivalry, which had emerged during the Vietnam War, contributed
to the catastrophic failure of the Iranian hostage rescue mission in 1980,
and which were still evident in the invasion of Grenada in 1983.[1][2]

So, even a dopey President like Carter could end up doing some good by
setting the stage for ending (ha, ha - maybe "lessening" is the right word)
inter-service rivalry and improving cooperation during joint missions. If
nothing else, it made sure that Army, Navy and Air Force radios could "talk"
to each other. Mostly.

--
Bobby G.

I expect EVERY movie director trying to make a movie based on actual history takes liberties with that history to make his movie a bit more exciting and dramatic.

In the movie Apollo 13, there is a scene where the actors playing Jack Swagert and Fred Haise get into an arguement about "whose fault it was" that the explosion happened in the liquid oxygen tank. All three astronauts objected to that scene being in the movie because it never happened.

In an interview after the movie was released, the Commander of Apollo 13, Jim Lovell, said there was never any finger pointing amongst the crew over what happened. He said that astronauts most often tend to be former test pilots, and test pilots have to be able to keep their focus when things go topsy turvey. By that time NASA moon missions had become fairly common place in the public's mind, but all of the astronauts knew how complex the Saturn V rocket, the Command Module and the LEM were and that anything going seriously wrong with any system on any of those pieces of equipment could lead to disaster. So, when they realized that the mission was going to be scrubbed in favour of getting the astronauts back alive, they simply resolved to keep their focus on getting back to the Earth so as to make the best of the situation they had been dealt.

Ron Howard left the argument scene in the movie despite the astronauts objections simply because he felt it would add excitement and drama to the movie.

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On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:52:31 PM UTC-7, nestork wrote:
Robert Green;3110394 Wrote:



Movies about history should merely be considered "teasers" for finding

out

what really happened.





I expect EVERY movie director trying to make a movie based on actual

history takes liberties with that history to make his movie a bit more

exciting and dramatic.

You're overlooking that a terrifyingly large segment of the film-going public actually thinks that "exciting and dramatic" movie is true!!! They will never read, in book or on-line the real history behind the corrupted film version.
I don't see that as being in the public interest, or helpful in children's education.

HB




In the movie Apollo 13, there is a scene where the actors playing Jack

Swagert and Fred Haise get into an arguement about "whose fault it was"

that the explosion happened in the liquid oxygen tank. All three

astronauts objected to that scene being in the movie because it never

happened.



In an interview after the movie was released, the Commander of Apollo

13, Jim Lovell, said there was never any finger pointing amongst the

crew over what happened. He said that astronauts most often tend to be

former test pilots, and test pilots have to be able to keep their focus

when things go topsy turvey. By that time NASA moon missions had become

fairly common place in the public's mind, but all of the astronauts knew

how complex the Saturn V rocket, the Command Module and the LEM were and

that anything going seriously wrong with any system on any of those

pieces of equipment could lead to disaster. So, when they realized that

the mission was going to be scrubbed in favour of getting the astronauts

back alive, they simply resolved to keep their focus on getting back to

the Earth so as to make the best of the situation they had been dealt.



Ron Howard left the argument scene in the movie despite the astronauts

objections simply because he felt it would add excitement and drama to

the movie.









--

nestork

Yeah, I was hoping I could get some of the Americans in here to feel so awfully bad about that movie they might offer to send me some money or something.

For $500, I'd be OK with the movie showing the Canadian ambassador ratting out the Americans to the Iranian security guards at the airport.

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Cute. A fake movie about a fake movie.

What will they think of next?


--
Wes Groleau

What kind of smiley is C:\ ?

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"nestork" wrote in message
...

I watched a TV documenary made by the Canadian Broadcasting Company
about the movie "Argo", which supposedly documents what happened during
the 1979 Hostage crisis in Iran.

Those of you who are old enough to remember know that in 1979, religious
radicals overthrew the government of Iran. They stormed the US embassy
in Tehran and took twenty-something American diplomats hostage. Six
American diplomats and agents were spirited off to the Canadian embassy
in Tehran where they remained hidden until Canadian officials put a plan
together to get them out of the country. Canada made up fake passports
and ID for each of the hostages, and made up a story that they were a
film crew out to scout a location in Iran to film a science fiction
movie to be called "Argo".

The film has caused a bit of sarcastic humour here in Canada because it
plays down the Canadian role in the crisis, and plays up the American
role to the point where it depicts the whole "Canadian Caper" as it came
to be called as being planned and executed by Americans, with Canada
merely providing the embassy where it all took place.

Former President Jimmy Carter, while at Queens University in Toronto
receiving an honorary doctorate degree for his charity work commented on
the film. He said he was disappointed to see that all of the heroic and
imaginative things done by Canadians to get the American diplomats out
of Iran were left out, and they were largely replaced by even more
heroic and imaginative, albeit fictitious, things being done by the
supposedly "American" actors. He said he received updates every day on
what was happening in Iran with the hostages, and it went down exactly
as the news reports of the time said it did.

Ben Affleck, who plays the hero in the story who hatches the plan to get
the US diplomats out, and supposedly organizes and executes the whole
caper responded to reporters asking him about the storyline by saying:
"Don't learn your history from the movies."

C'mon guys. We really helped you guys out back in '79. Don't gloss
over our role and claim all the credit for yourselves.

nestork

Pretty typical. TheYanks love to rewrite history. They won WW1 and 2
unaided.
They think they defeated Russia.

Soon they will have won in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
When Hollywood comes up with a script.
Only in the USA are people credulous enough/short memory to take this crap
in.

Watched "Lincoln" the other day. Mawkish crap.
He was as bad as Saddam Hussein in reality.

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"chaniarts" wrote in message
...
On 8/20/2013 10:41 AM, nestork wrote:
I watched a TV documenary made by the Canadian Broadcasting Company
about the movie "Argo", which supposedly documents what happened during
the 1979 Hostage crisis in Iran.

Those of you who are old enough to remember know that in 1979, religious
radicals overthrew the government of Iran. They stormed the US embassy
in Tehran and took twenty-something American diplomats hostage. Six
American diplomats and agents were spirited off to the Canadian embassy
in Tehran where they remained hidden until Canadian officials put a plan
together to get them out of the country. Canada made up fake passports
and ID for each of the hostages, and made up a story that they were a
film crew out to scout a location in Iran to film a science fiction
movie to be called "Argo".

The film has caused a bit of sarcastic humour here in Canada because it
plays down the Canadian role in the crisis, and plays up the American
role to the point where it depicts the whole "Canadian Caper" as it came
to be called as being planned and executed by Americans, with Canada
merely providing the embassy where it all took place.

Former President Jimmy Carter, while at Queens University in Toronto
receiving an honorary doctorate degree for his charity work commented on
the film. He said he was disappointed to see that all of the heroic and
imaginative things done by Canadians to get the American diplomats out
of Iran were left out, and they were largely replaced by even more
heroic and imaginative, albeit fictitious, things being done by the
supposedly "American" actors. He said he received updates every day on
what was happening in Iran with the hostages, and it went down exactly
as the news reports of the time said it did.

Ben Affleck, who plays the hero in the story who hatches the plan to get
the US diplomats out, and supposedly organizes and executes the whole
caper responded to reporters asking him about the storyline by saying:
"Don't learn your history from the movies."

C'mon guys. We really helped you guys out back in '79. Don't gloss
over our role and claim all the credit for yourselves.

since when, ever, have you known hollywood to get history right?

affleck is correct. what makes you think that we (the us) is doing so when
you're referring to a movie (ie: fiction)?

The trouble is most Yanks don't know fact from fiction.
There's at least one here thinks Jesus was from America. (Or similar mad
theory)

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"Home Guy" wrote in message ...
dadiOH wrote:

Many of us remember what Canada did. We also remember what
Carter did not do.

Yea-

Carter did not start and get you into an endless "pre-emptive" war in
Iraq that cost you your economy and your domestic privacy and liberty.

Looks like the new war might be in Syria.
I wonder if the US public rmember the WMDs lies last time.
Will they wait until it's verified?

Heigh ho. A new war. More poor American boys will die while the rich in
America get richer.

Hey, I heard that the US government is reneging on all the bribes it offered
to the young recruits for Iraq war.
ie, they won't get to go to college after all.
Next, they'll be closing the vets hospitals.

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"Robert Green" wrote in message
...
"dadiOH" wrote in message
...

stuff snipped

Many of us remember what Canada did. We also remember what Carter did
not
fo.

Movies about history should merely be considered "teasers" for finding out
what really happened. There must be a site for movies that diverge from
historical reality.

There are an awful lot of one-off's about various movies but only this
site
seems to have tackled more than one:

http://www.cracked.com/article_17326...full-****.html

and they take on "Mississipi Burning, A Beautiful Mind, Remember the
Titans,
The Last King of Scotland, Hoosiers, Frost/Nixon."

Other sites have complaints about "Gladiator, Zero Dark Thirty, The Hurt
Locker, etc."

There is a book, however:

http://www.amazon.com/Based-True-Sto.../dp/B005M4IE8E

The comments mention dozens of movies that have had minor to major "fixes"
made to them.



Don't forget "Brave heart" Another bunch of Yank lies.

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"Higgs Boson" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:52:31 PM UTC-7, nestork wrote:
Robert Green;3110394 Wrote:



Movies about history should merely be considered "teasers" for finding

out

what really happened.





I expect EVERY movie director trying to make a movie based on actual

history takes liberties with that history to make his movie a bit more

exciting and dramatic.

You're overlooking that a terrifyingly large segment of the film-going
public actually thinks that "exciting and dramatic" movie is true!!! They
will never read, in book or on-line the real history behind the corrupted
film version.
I don't see that as being in the public interest, or helpful in children's
education.

HB

Americans can't handle the truth.

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On 8/22/2013 3:11 AM, harryagain wrote:
"chaniarts" wrote in message
...
On 8/20/2013 10:41 AM, nestork wrote:
I watched a TV documenary made by the Canadian Broadcasting Company
about the movie "Argo", which supposedly documents what happened during
the 1979 Hostage crisis in Iran.

Those of you who are old enough to remember know that in 1979, religious
radicals overthrew the government of Iran. They stormed the US embassy
in Tehran and took twenty-something American diplomats hostage. Six
American diplomats and agents were spirited off to the Canadian embassy
in Tehran where they remained hidden until Canadian officials put a plan
together to get them out of the country. Canada made up fake passports
and ID for each of the hostages, and made up a story that they were a
film crew out to scout a location in Iran to film a science fiction
movie to be called "Argo".

The film has caused a bit of sarcastic humour here in Canada because it
plays down the Canadian role in the crisis, and plays up the American
role to the point where it depicts the whole "Canadian Caper" as it came
to be called as being planned and executed by Americans, with Canada
merely providing the embassy where it all took place.

Former President Jimmy Carter, while at Queens University in Toronto
receiving an honorary doctorate degree for his charity work commented on
the film. He said he was disappointed to see that all of the heroic and
imaginative things done by Canadians to get the American diplomats out
of Iran were left out, and they were largely replaced by even more
heroic and imaginative, albeit fictitious, things being done by the
supposedly "American" actors. He said he received updates every day on
what was happening in Iran with the hostages, and it went down exactly
as the news reports of the time said it did.

Ben Affleck, who plays the hero in the story who hatches the plan to get
the US diplomats out, and supposedly organizes and executes the whole
caper responded to reporters asking him about the storyline by saying:
"Don't learn your history from the movies."

C'mon guys. We really helped you guys out back in '79. Don't gloss
over our role and claim all the credit for yourselves.

since when, ever, have you known hollywood to get history right?

affleck is correct. what makes you think that we (the us) is doing so when
you're referring to a movie (ie: fiction)?

The trouble is most Yanks don't know fact from fiction.
There's at least one here thinks Jesus was from America. (Or similar mad
theory)



Pfttt, everyone knows Jesus is from Mexico, he upholstered the interior
of my friend's car. ^_^

TDD

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On 8/22/2013 3:20 AM, harryagain wrote:
"Robert Green" wrote in message
...
"dadiOH" wrote in message
...

stuff snipped

Many of us remember what Canada did. We also remember what Carter did
not
fo.

Movies about history should merely be considered "teasers" for finding out
what really happened. There must be a site for movies that diverge from
historical reality.

There are an awful lot of one-off's about various movies but only this
site
seems to have tackled more than one:

http://www.cracked.com/article_17326...full-****.html

and they take on "Mississipi Burning, A Beautiful Mind, Remember the
Titans,
The Last King of Scotland, Hoosiers, Frost/Nixon."

Other sites have complaints about "Gladiator, Zero Dark Thirty, The Hurt
Locker, etc."

There is a book, however:

http://www.amazon.com/Based-True-Sto.../dp/B005M4IE8E

The comments mention dozens of movies that have had minor to major "fixes"
made to them.



Don't forget "Brave heart" Another bunch of Yank lies.



Is that anything like King Arthur and Merlin The Magician? ^_^

TDD

The movie "Argo"
 

On 8/22/2013 3:08 AM, harryagain wrote:
"nestork" wrote in message
...

I watched a TV documenary made by the Canadian Broadcasting Company
about the movie "Argo", which supposedly documents what happened during
the 1979 Hostage crisis in Iran.

Those of you who are old enough to remember know that in 1979, religious
radicals overthrew the government of Iran. They stormed the US embassy
in Tehran and took twenty-something American diplomats hostage. Six
American diplomats and agents were spirited off to the Canadian embassy
in Tehran where they remained hidden until Canadian officials put a plan
together to get them out of the country. Canada made up fake passports
and ID for each of the hostages, and made up a story that they were a
film crew out to scout a location in Iran to film a science fiction
movie to be called "Argo".

The film has caused a bit of sarcastic humour here in Canada because it
plays down the Canadian role in the crisis, and plays up the American
role to the point where it depicts the whole "Canadian Caper" as it came
to be called as being planned and executed by Americans, with Canada
merely providing the embassy where it all took place.

Former President Jimmy Carter, while at Queens University in Toronto
receiving an honorary doctorate degree for his charity work commented on
the film. He said he was disappointed to see that all of the heroic and
imaginative things done by Canadians to get the American diplomats out
of Iran were left out, and they were largely replaced by even more
heroic and imaginative, albeit fictitious, things being done by the
supposedly "American" actors. He said he received updates every day on
what was happening in Iran with the hostages, and it went down exactly
as the news reports of the time said it did.

Ben Affleck, who plays the hero in the story who hatches the plan to get
the US diplomats out, and supposedly organizes and executes the whole
caper responded to reporters asking him about the storyline by saying:
"Don't learn your history from the movies."

C'mon guys. We really helped you guys out back in '79. Don't gloss
over our role and claim all the credit for yourselves.

nestork

Pretty typical. TheYanks love to rewrite history. They won WW1 and 2
unaided.
They think they defeated Russia.

Soon they will have won in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.
When Hollywood comes up with a script.
Only in the USA are people credulous enough/short memory to take this crap
in.

Watched "Lincoln" the other day. Mawkish crap.
He was as bad as Saddam Hussein in reality.



Heck Hairy, perhaps you don't know the difference in an entertainment
movie and a documentary? Both can be based on truth or can be works of
fiction but most folks assume a movie is a work of fiction and a
documentary is based on true facts. It really depends on the producer of
the work. ^_^

TDD

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On Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:11:22 AM UTC-4, harry wrote:
"chaniarts" wrote in message

...

On 8/20/2013 10:41 AM, nestork wrote:

I watched a TV documenary made by the Canadian Broadcasting Company

about the movie "Argo", which supposedly documents what happened during

the 1979 Hostage crisis in Iran.



Those of you who are old enough to remember know that in 1979, religious

radicals overthrew the government of Iran. They stormed the US embassy

in Tehran and took twenty-something American diplomats hostage. Six

American diplomats and agents were spirited off to the Canadian embassy

in Tehran where they remained hidden until Canadian officials put a plan

together to get them out of the country. Canada made up fake passports

and ID for each of the hostages, and made up a story that they were a

film crew out to scout a location in Iran to film a science fiction

movie to be called "Argo".



The film has caused a bit of sarcastic humour here in Canada because it

plays down the Canadian role in the crisis, and plays up the American

role to the point where it depicts the whole "Canadian Caper" as it came

to be called as being planned and executed by Americans, with Canada

merely providing the embassy where it all took place.



Former President Jimmy Carter, while at Queens University in Toronto

receiving an honorary doctorate degree for his charity work commented on

the film. He said he was disappointed to see that all of the heroic and

imaginative things done by Canadians to get the American diplomats out

of Iran were left out, and they were largely replaced by even more

heroic and imaginative, albeit fictitious, things being done by the

supposedly "American" actors. He said he received updates every day on

what was happening in Iran with the hostages, and it went down exactly

as the news reports of the time said it did.



Ben Affleck, who plays the hero in the story who hatches the plan to get

the US diplomats out, and supposedly organizes and executes the whole

caper responded to reporters asking him about the storyline by saying:

"Don't learn your history from the movies."



C'mon guys. We really helped you guys out back in '79. Don't gloss

over our role and claim all the credit for yourselves.



since when, ever, have you known hollywood to get history right?



affleck is correct. what makes you think that we (the us) is doing so when

you're referring to a movie (ie: fiction)?



The trouble is most Yanks don't know fact from fiction.

There's at least one here thinks Jesus was from America. (Or similar mad

theory)

Compared to most of the horse **** you believe and post,
that's far more plausible.

The movie "Argo"
 

"nestork" wrote in message
...

Robert Green;3110394 Wrote:

Movies about history should merely be considered "teasers" for finding
out
what really happened.


I expect EVERY movie director trying to make a movie based on actual
history takes liberties with that history to make his movie a bit more
exciting and dramatic.

Not sure it's *every* director but it sure does seem to be popular to
rewrite history for dramatic effect. I remember a stink erupting over the
movie "Lincoln" depicted a Connecticut vote on slavery incorrectly:

http://articles.courant.com/2013-02-...ay-open-letter

The movie's error - first reported by Courtney on Tuesday in an open
letter to director Steven Spielberg - was how two of Connecticut's three
House members were depicted voting against the 13th Amendment. After
consulting the Congressional Record, Courtney found that all four - not
three - of the state's House members voted for the amendment.
In his letter, Kushner said that the methods of changing the nitty-gritty
details to serve a dramatic purpose are well within the standards for a
historical drama. "I hope nobody is shocked to learn that I also made up
dialogue and imagined encounters and invented characters," he said.

In the movie Apollo 13, there is a scene where the actors playing Jack
Swagert and Fred Haise get into an arguement about "whose fault it was"
that the explosion happened in the liquid oxygen tank. All three
astronauts objected to that scene being in the movie because it never
happened.

I have to laugh at this because anyone who's read a newspaper article about
a subject they are well-acquainted with (or are even a part of!) knows how
much the "alleged" reporters of fact get wrong. Names are constantly
spelled incorrectly, quotes wrongly attributed, technical facts obliterated,
etc. Those are part of perils of working under time pressure. Movie
directors tend to get stuff wrong on purpose for "dramatic effect" but the
end results are often the same.

My wife (USAR COL RET) and I had a knock-down, drag out battle with a
non-military shrink friend about "The Hurt Locker" - the film about bomb
disposal experts in Iraq. Either their military advisor was drunk or the
director was determined to damage her own film with some pretty obvious
mistakes that almost every serviceman/woman we are friends with caught and
complained about. My feeling is that if you don't bother to check your
facts and get the little details correct you're sabotaging your film.
Getting little details wrong makes people wonder if you haven't got the big
details wrong as well.

While our shrink friend insisted the changes were for dramatic effect,
anyone familiar with military protocol was irked by things active-duty
soldiers would never do. The taxicab that runs the roadblock? It would
have become a burning cinder long before it penetrated as far as it did in
the movie.

There were numerous other errors, including the kid selling CD's being
allowed to set up so close to living quarters. Not allowed for obvious
reasons. Or the ease with which the lead actor was able to leave and return
to the Green Zone surreptitiously. Obviously if he could leave and re-enter
bypassing security checkpoints, a suicide bomber could enter the same way.

FWIW, this time I DID find the site that covers movie history "errors"

http://www.moviemistakes.com/

Jeez, you are not alone with your complaints against "Argo." (-:

In an interview after the movie was released, the Commander of Apollo
13, Jim Lovell, said there was never any finger pointing amongst the
crew over what happened. He said that astronauts most often tend to be
former test pilots, and test pilots have to be able to keep their focus
when things go topsy turvey.

My favorite lunar astronaut story supports that view. A reporter was trying
to get one of the Apollo astronauts to describe how he would feel if the
return capsule's engines had failed and he knew he had one only one hour
left to live. "How would you spend the last hour of your life?" His reply?
"I'd get to work trying to repair the engines!"

--
Bobby G.

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"Higgs Boson" wrote in message
news:722f2e81-2f34-4f93-826a-
On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:52:31 PM UTC-7, nestork wrote:
Robert Green;3110394 Wrote:
Movies about history should merely be considered "teasers" for finding
out what really happened.

I expect EVERY movie director trying to make a movie based on actual
history takes liberties with that history to make his movie a bit more
exciting and dramatic.

You're overlooking that a terrifyingly large segment of the film-going
public actually thinks
that "exciting and dramatic" movie is true!!!

No, but I am more concerned with what the *voting* public thinks is true
that is not. Death panels, economic myths like "tax cuts pay for
themselves" and so much more nonsense that is passed among "true believers"
like that Nazi screed SM recently posted. sigh

They will never read, in book or on-line the real history behind the
corrupted film version.
I don't see that as being in the public interest, or helpful in children's
education.

Shakespeare was a practitioner of rewriting history. Richard III's
reputation is only lately being restored after Will savaged it to curry
favor with the then current Tudor monarchy.


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histor...190400171.html

Of course, Shakespeare's depiction of Richard III is about as historically
accurate as any period film Hollywood ever produced-dramatized to a point
just past recognition. But on the other side, there are the Ricardians, who
see the much-maligned king as a victim of Tudor propaganda.

So even before movies, it was popular to rewrite history both for the
history books and for historical fiction.

Not sure how that's ever going to get corrected or if it should be. You can
tell pretty quickly if someone's studied actual history or whether they've
absorbed pseudo-history from the movies. Separates the wheat from the
chaff.

--
Bobby G.

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Per :
He undermined the shah, who had the Islamic nuts
in jail or exiled, so the Iranians could have human rights and a
better govt. They sure got that, didn't they.

Yeah, but didn't they get SAVAK too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK
--
Pete Cresswell

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On Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:47:37 PM UTC-4, Robert Green wrote:
"Higgs Boson" wrote in message

news:722f2e81-2f34-4f93-826a-

On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:52:31 PM UTC-7, nestork wrote:

Robert Green;3110394 Wrote:

Movies about history should merely be considered "teasers" for finding

out what really happened.



I expect EVERY movie director trying to make a movie based on actual

history takes liberties with that history to make his movie a bit more

exciting and dramatic.



You're overlooking that a terrifyingly large segment of the film-going

public actually thinks

that "exciting and dramatic" movie is true!!!



No, but I am more concerned with what the *voting* public thinks is true

that is not. Death panels, economic myths like "tax cuts pay for

themselves" and so much more nonsense that is passed among "true believers"

like that Nazi screed SM recently posted. sigh



Unbelievable. To equate "tax cuts pay for themselves", with Nazis
is a new low. In fact, there is some internet rule that says when
you've invoked Nazis in a debate about something else, you automatically
lose. BTW, which movie did you see that contained that?

For the record, Reagan cut income tax rates from 70% to 28%
and revenue INCREASED substantially.

So I'm guessing there's no takers?

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Per :
For the record, Reagan cut income tax rates from 70% to 28%
and revenue INCREASED substantially.

Dunno about revenue, but the debt appears to have increased 20% under
Reagan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...es_public_debt
(scroll down to "Historical debt levels")
--
Pete Cresswell

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In article ,
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote:

Per :
For the record, Reagan cut income tax rates from 70% to 28%
and revenue INCREASED substantially.

Dunno about revenue, but the debt appears to have increased 20% under
Reagan.

Debt can only be run up by acts of Congress (and this is the same
no matter who is president). And the RR cuts were all passed by
Dem-controlled Congresses, by big bipartisan majorities.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe