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Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
A funny thing happened when the "carefully chosen" o-rings arrived.
They are all the wrong size! My wife smiled, gently chiding me, a bit incredulously ... "After all that work, you ordered the wrong ones?" Yup. Mea culpa. They're *all* the wrong size! Apparently, I didn't double check the numbers! It (apparently) turns out that the "O-number" system I've been cross referencing is a proprietary standard, used *only* by the Alladin company. http://www.aladdin1950.com So, for example, a Sta-Rite pump basket lid O-ring U9-375 cross references to an Alladin O-12, which is not even close to the AS568 O-Ring size O-12. An O-12 actually is this (much smaller) AS568 o-ring: O-12 nominal CS=1/16" ID=3/8" OD=1/2" actual ID=.364±.005" CS=.070±.003" While, measurements of "my" pump basket lid O-ring show it's closer to: O-439 nominal CS=1/4" ID=6-1/2" OD=7" actual ID=6.475±.040" CS=.275±.006" Even I had to laugh at myself, thinking: Here's a classic case of what happens when you accept the numbers at face value (and don't double check all sizes with actual measurements!). New mantra: Check thrice; order once! In summary, it seems that one company, Alladin, dominates replacement o-rings for pools, and that company uses a proprietary (unpublished?) o-dash numbering system that mimics the standard o-dash numbering system in both look and feel - yet the two numbering systems are (apparently) wholly unrelated! (AFAICT) Given that, I'll need to measure all my old (worn) o-rings, in order to cross reference to the "real" AS568 o-ring O-dash size. Serves me right for taking things at face value! :) QUESTION: What's the best tool to *measure* o-rings (enough to match to charts)? http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13295487.jpg |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:27:10 +0000 (UTC), Danny D
wrote: A funny thing happened when the "carefully chosen" o-rings arrived. They are all the wrong size! LMAO My wife smiled, gently chiding me, a bit incredulously ... "After all that work, you ordered the wrong ones?" Wise man: "Study long, you study wrong" Yup. Mea culpa. They're *all* the wrong size! Apparently, I didn't double check the numbers! A kit would have be ~$25 at a pool store chuckle This is the post of the year, Danny. Do huckleberries come to mind? |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:36:10 -0700, Oren wrote:
A kit would have be ~$25 at a pool store chuckle Well, to be fair, the pump kit doesn't include all the o-rings (e.g., the GO-KIT38 doesn't have the two drain plug o-rings). And, the filter kit includes too many o-rings! :) Besides, a kit wouldn't be any fun! |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:16:45 -0400, gfretwell wrote:
I could have charged $10+ a copy for the cross reference list I had from Harley parts to the industry part. Indeed! I see now how valuable it would be to have a cross reference of all of a car or bike's o-rings to trade sizes! All we'd need to do is *measure* the pristine o-rings and then cross reference them to the standard sizes. But, what's the "trick" to measuring them accurately? The cross section is "squishy"; and the inner diameter variable (unless you can measure the mating groove). Is the only trick to measure "gently"? http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13295487.jpg |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
Danny D posted for all of us...
And I know how to SNIP A funny thing happened when the "carefully chosen" o-rings arrived. They are all the wrong size! My wife smiled, gently chiding me, a bit incredulously ... "After all that work, you ordered the wrong ones?" Yup. Mea culpa. They're *all* the wrong size! Apparently, I didn't double check the numbers! It (apparently) turns out that the "O-number" system I've been cross referencing is a proprietary standard, used *only* by the Alladin company.. http://www.aladdin1950.com So, for example, a Sta-Rite pump basket lid O-ring U9-375 cross references to an Alladin O-12, which is not even close to the AS568 O-Ring size O-12.. An O-12 actually is this (much smaller) AS568 o-ring: O-12 nominal CS=1/16" ID=3/8" OD=1/2" actual ID=.364±.005" CS=.070±.003" While, measurements of "my" pump basket lid O-ring show it's closer to: O-439 nominal CS=1/4" ID=6-1/2" OD=7" actual ID=6.475±.040" CS=.275±.006" Even I had to laugh at myself, thinking: Here's a classic case of what happens when you accept the numbers at face value (and don't double check all sizes with actual measurements!). New mantra: Check thrice; order once! In summary, it seems that one company, Alladin, dominates replacement o-rings for pools, and that company uses a proprietary (unpublished?) o-dash numbering system that mimics the standard o-dash numbering system in both look and feel - yet the two numbering systems are (apparently) wholly unrelated! (AFAICT) Given that, I'll need to measure all my old (worn) o-rings, in order to cross reference to the "real" AS568 o-ring O-dash size. Serves me right for taking things at face value! :) QUESTION: What's the best tool to *measure* o-rings (enough to match to charts)? http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13295487.jpg Hmm, I resemble this post... I carefully study what to buy; then buy the wrong thing! You could go to a hardware store they probably have a cross-reference as would an auto parts store. -- Tekkie |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
Oren wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:27:10 +0000 (UTC), Danny D wrote: A funny thing happened when the "carefully chosen" o-rings arrived. They are all the wrong size! LMAO My wife smiled, gently chiding me, a bit incredulously ... "After all that work, you ordered the wrong ones?" Wise man: "Study long, you study wrong" Yup. Mea culpa. They're *all* the wrong size! Apparently, I didn't double check the numbers! A kit would have be ~$25 at a pool store chuckle This is the post of the year, Danny. Do huckleberries come to mind? Careful there Mr O, bobby g is going to take you to task for not being user friendly. Btw: huckleberries don't come to mind,but dingleberries do,g |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:34:25 -0400, Tekkie® wrote:
You could go to a hardware store they probably have a cross-reference as would an auto parts store. After making mistakes, I realize that the typical process to source the o-dash sizes would be the following 3 steps: 1. Determine the manufacturer's part number: e.g., Sta-Rite Seal plate housing o-ring, U9-228 (aka U9-228A) 2. Cross reference to the Aladdin o-dash size: http://www.aladdin1950.com/search.cfm $9.22 Aladdin 1-O-240 Seal Plate Housing O-Ring 3. Measure & cross reference to AS568 o-dash trade size: $1.17 AS568 O-449 ACS=275±.000 AID=10±.000 NCS=1/4 NID=10 NOD=10-1/2 Note: To make matters confusing, some web sites cross reference to the Aladdin o-dash number while others cross reference to the AS568 o-dash number. For example, this site cross references U9-228A to an Aladdin O-240: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001F0O6RW Yet, this site cross references U9-228A to the AS568 O-449: http://www.inyopools.com/Products/07501352023149.htm It's easy, once you know not to make any "assumptions"! :) |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Jun 12, 2:00*am, Danny D wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:34:25 -0400, Tekkie® wrote: You could go to a hardware store they probably have a cross-reference as would an auto parts store. After making mistakes, I realize that the typical process to source the o-dash sizes would be the following 3 steps: 1. Determine the manufacturer's part number: * *e.g., Sta-Rite Seal plate housing o-ring, U9-228 * *(aka U9-228A) 2. Cross reference to the Aladdin o-dash size: * *http://www.aladdin1950.com/search.cfm * *$9.22 Aladdin 1-O-240 Seal Plate Housing O-Ring 3. Measure & cross reference to AS568 o-dash trade size: * *$1.17 AS568 O-449 ACS=275±.000 AID=10±.000 NCS=1/4 NID=10 NOD=10-1/2 Note: To make matters confusing, some web sites cross reference * * * to the Aladdin o-dash number while others cross reference * * * to the AS568 o-dash number. For example, this site cross references U9-228A to an Aladdin O-240: *http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001F0O6RW Yet, this site cross references U9-228A to the AS568 O-449: *http://www.inyopools.com/Products/07501352023149.htm It's easy, once you know not to make any "assumptions"! :) That process is about as clear as mud. If step 2 is to measure, then why do you have to cross reference it to anything at all? My way of looking at this is if you called a pool company to fix a leaking pump, you might wind up with a new pump: Cost $275 + $150 labor = $425 or if you're luckier, you might wind up with them replacing the O-ring Cost $10 + $150 labor = $160 but since I'm doing it myself, the cost will be just $10 -$15 for the O-ring from a pool store. So, even though I'm paying a premium for the O-ring, the cost of the repar is still so small that it's not worth all the hassle with trying to find some cheaper O-rings. |
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Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:22:04 +0000 (UTC), Danny D
wrote: On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:54:40 -0700, wrote: So, even though I'm paying a premium for the O-ring, the cost of the repair is still so small that it's not worth all the hassle with trying to find some cheaper O-rings. That's a very boring repair though. What is boring is waiting for your final leak test. Whatever you pay local is going to last for years. When you count beans, are they Mexican Jumping beans? |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:38:25 -0500, "ChairMan"
wrote: Careful there Mr O, bobby g is going to take you to task for not being user friendly. I'll get over it. I'm prepared to have Windows Narrator read his books to me. |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:12:00 +0000 (UTC), Danny D
wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:36:10 -0700, Oren wrote: A kit would have be ~$25 at a pool store chuckle Well, to be fair, the pump kit doesn't include all the o-rings (e.g., the GO-KIT38 doesn't have the two drain plug o-rings). And, the filter kit includes too many o-rings! :) Besides, a kit wouldn't be any fun! Why replace them if they do not leak? Your leaks are the seal, so replace the O-rings needed. |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:12:00 +0000 (UTC), Danny D
wrote: Well, to be fair, the pump kit doesn't include all the o-rings (e.g., the GO-KIT38 doesn't have the two drain plug o-rings). Jump off the porch and try something for the drain plug O-rings. Replace the old O-ring with faucet stem packing. Couple or less wraps around the thumb screw, then tighten snug. http://s19.photobucket.com/user/deansofidaho/media/Machine/Steam/Graphitestring.jpg.html My solar panels inline pump pipe T-stat had and O-ring go bad and leak. I used the stem packing to replace the O-ring. The pool guy was impressed.. never a leak. |
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Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:40:35 -0700, Oren wrote:
Why replace them if they do not leak? Hi Oren, I'm simply past due for basic maintenance (mainly due to my prior complete ignorance of what o-rings even existed, and of how to source them). By way of worst example ... Here's a picture of the fourth (currently unused) pump seal plate with the diffuser o-ring pulled off the diffuser: http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13303173.jpg Here's what I know about that particular o-ring: Sta-Rite Max-e-glas II pump Diffuser O-ring: * Sta-Rite PN U9-374, AS568 O-333, Alladin O-83 * Material: Buna-N, 70 Duro, black * Cross references: 351021164, STA1018557, U9-374, U9374 * Nominal CS=3/16" ID=2-1/2" OD=2-7/8" * Actual CS=0.210±.005" 2.475±.020" - 18¢ each @ http://oringwarehouse.com - 18¢ each @ http://theoringstore.com - 29¢ each @ http://mfpseals.com/catalog/category...s-backup-rings - $1.30 each @ http://www.oringsusa.com/catalog/ind...ath=26_123_104 - $4 each @ http://www.inyopools.com/Products/07501352023030.htm |
Danny:
Learning is hard because it's frustrating. It's frustrating because you're not aware of all the things you don't yet know that will cause you to make mistakes, LIKE THE FACT that Alladin doesn't use standard AS568B "dash number" sizes. They have part numbers that don't jive with AS568B dash numbers. That's the kind of thing you can trip over the first time you do anything. There are different ways of measuring O-rings, but for small O-rings most places will use a paper or plastic cone gauge or a digital or dial caliper (as shown in your photo). If you take your O-rings to any place, they'll normally measure them on a cone gauge free of charge. Since the cord diameter of the O-ring affects how far down the O-ring drops down on the cone gauge, it's important to read the correct scale marked on the outside of the cone.  O-rings larger than 8 inches will typically be measured with a "pi gauge" which is a strip of plastic or thin cardboard that's rolled to form a coil. You put the pi gauge inside the O-ring and uncoil it until it's snug inside the ID of the O-ring, and in that way you read off it's ID. I've never used a pi gauge. There are also tools to measure really large O-rings that work very much like the tools used to measure fan belt sizes:  PS: On that Parker image of the cone and pi gauges, they refer to a standard called ARP568A, whereas the standard used in North America is AS568B. These are the same as ARP568A is simply an older version of AS568B. As manufacturers come out with larger O-rings in different cord diameters, it becomes necessary to update the standard periodically, but the existing sizes always remain the same. So, an ARP568A-449 O-ring will be exactly the same size as an AS568B-449 O-ring, and in all cases, regardless of the character string preceeding the dash, the 449 is referred to as the "dash" number. You also said that some of your O-rings felt "squishy". In that case, they may be made of foam and not 70 durometer rubber, and in that case, they can only be purchased from the manufacturer as a part. Your best bet would be to simply take your pump (or your old O-rings) down to any place listed under "Seals" in your Yellow Pages phone directory and let them both measure your old O-rings or the grooves the seat in, and tell you the dash number of each O-ring they can provide. DIY is always more difficult than just opening your wallet because it involves learning so many different things, and the only way you do learn is when you discover that a mistake has been made. If things work out smoothly, it's only because you've completely mastered the technology, or you got lucky. You don't end up learning anything from the times you get lucky. |
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On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 06:00:46 +0000, Danny D wrote:
2. Cross reference to the Aladdin o-dash size: http://www.aladdin1950.com/search.cfm $9.22 Aladdin 1-O-240 Seal Plate Housing O-Ring This also has an "Aladdin" cross reference table: http://www.aqua-man.com/techdisplay.asp?Ic=T102 |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:21:00 -0700, Roy wrote:
18 hours of NO SWIMMING in the pool using your method. Summer could be over before the pool got fixed. The pumps are working. The o-ring replacement is merely an overdue maintenance item. |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:32:00 -0700, Oren wrote:
What is boring is waiting for your final leak test. I guess I should take a picture of it not leaking... :) The final leak test has long been done. The o-ring search is merely long-overdue maintenance. BTW, if you ever need o-rings, I know now, from my price survey, that these two outfits are exactly the same price (at usually pennies each): BEST: 1. http://oringwarehouse.com 2. http://theoringstore.com And these outfits are ten times more expensive, but, still at about a dollar or two, the prices are fine: GOOD: 3. http://mfpseals.com 4. http://www.oringsusa.com 5. http://www.onlineorings.com These (pool-oriented) guys are 100x more expensive: WORST: 6. http://www.inyopools.com 7. http://www.hottubworks.com This simple summary above, I had not known, until someone (Oren?, krw?) I don't remember who ... suggested we source o-rings (and bearings) by trade size. |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:32:00 -0700, Oren wrote:
Whatever you pay local is going to last for years. Hi Oren, That *is* a good point. In fact, I strive to buy from Barnes & Noble and not Amazon when I buy books (I buy about one a week on average as I read voraciously) - simply for that reason. The local B&N provides a *service* which I don't want to go away; and, their prices are decent. However, at $75 a pump seal at Sears, I don't feel it's my job to keep them in business, when I can buy that very same seal on the net for $10. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13305239.jpg There's a limit to local patronage. Would *you* buy a $75 shaft seal if you could get it for $10 online? (Same brand. US Seal.) |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:14:55 PM UTC-6, Danny D wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:21:00 -0700, Roy wrote: 18 hours of NO SWIMMING in the pool using your method. Summer could be over before the pool got fixed. The pumps are working. The o-ring replacement is merely an overdue maintenance item. Just kidding Danny...glad things worked out for you. Enjoy the summer. === |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Jun 11, 9:27*am, Danny D wrote:
A funny thing happened when the "carefully chosen" o-rings arrived. * They are all the wrong size! My wife smiled, gently chiding me, a bit incredulously ... * "After all that work, you ordered the wrong ones?" Yup. Mea culpa. They're *all* the wrong size! Apparently, I didn't double check the numbers! It (apparently) turns out that the "O-number" system I've been cross referencing is a proprietary standard, used *only* by the Alladin company.. *http://www.aladdin1950.com So, for example, a Sta-Rite pump basket lid O-ring U9-375 cross references to an Alladin O-12, which is not even close to the AS568 O-Ring size O-12.. An O-12 actually is this (much smaller) AS568 o-ring: O-12 nominal CS=1/16" ID=3/8" OD=1/2" actual ID=.364±.005" CS=.070±.003" While, measurements of "my" pump basket lid O-ring show it's closer to: O-439 nominal CS=1/4" ID=6-1/2" OD=7" actual ID=6.475±.040" CS=.275±.006" Even I had to laugh at myself, thinking: Here's a classic case of what happens when you accept the numbers at face value (and don't double check all sizes with actual measurements!). New mantra: Check thrice; order once! In summary, it seems that one company, Alladin, dominates replacement o-rings for pools, and that company uses a proprietary (unpublished?) o-dash numbering system that mimics the standard o-dash numbering system in both look and feel - yet the two numbering systems are (apparently) wholly unrelated! (AFAICT) Given that, I'll need to measure all my old (worn) o-rings, in order to cross reference to the "real" AS568 o-ring O-dash size. Serves me right for taking things at face value! :) QUESTION: What's the best tool to *measure* o-rings (enough to match to charts)? *http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13295487.jpg Did you "study" any of the o-ring references I posted? Consider going back to work.... in your current "retired" state you might be able to negatively effect GDP all by yourself. Have you considered the amount of extra work all your inquires impose on mfrs, distributors & supply houses? |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Jun 12, 7:54*am, "
wrote: On Jun 12, 2:00*am, Danny D wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:34:25 -0400, Tekkie® wrote: You could go to a hardware store they probably have a cross-reference as would an auto parts store. After making mistakes, I realize that the typical process to source the o-dash sizes would be the following 3 steps: 1. Determine the manufacturer's part number: * *e.g., Sta-Rite Seal plate housing o-ring, U9-228 * *(aka U9-228A) 2. Cross reference to the Aladdin o-dash size: * *http://www.aladdin1950.com/search.cfm * *$9.22 Aladdin 1-O-240 Seal Plate Housing O-Ring 3. Measure & cross reference to AS568 o-dash trade size: * *$1.17 AS568 O-449 ACS=275±.000 AID=10±.000 NCS=1/4 NID=10 NOD=10-1/2 Note: To make matters confusing, some web sites cross reference * * * to the Aladdin o-dash number while others cross reference * * * to the AS568 o-dash number. For example, this site cross references U9-228A to an Aladdin O-240: *http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001F0O6RW Yet, this site cross references U9-228A to the AS568 O-449: *http://www.inyopools.com/Products/07501352023149.htm It's easy, once you know not to make any "assumptions"! :) That process is about as clear as mud. *If step 2 is to measure, then why do you have to cross reference it to anything at all? My way of looking at this is if you called a pool company to fix a leaking pump, you might wind up with a new pump: Cost $275 + $150 labor = $425 or if you're luckier, you might wind up with them replacing the O-ring Cost $10 + $150 labor = $160 but since I'm doing it myself, the cost will be just $10 -$15 for the O-ring from a pool store. So, even though I'm paying a premium for the O-ring, the cost of the repar is still so small that it's not worth all the hassle with trying to find some cheaper O-rings. +1 |
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On Jun 12, 10:57*am, Danny D wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:54:40 -0700, wrote: My way of looking at this is if you called a pool company ... you might wind up with a new pump but since I'm doing it myself, the cost will be just $10 -$15 for the O-ring from a pool store. If the goal were to simply *fix* the pool pump, your method is perfect and it's what most people do (99.99% anyway). I'm not most people. For one thing, I like to *learn* and for another, I like to *teach*. I am famous (in my profession) for writing tutorials for how to do things so that everyone else might benefit from the effort. It's how I'm wired. Most people are decidedly *not* wired that way! They do it; they get it done; they learn almost nothing; and they teach absolutely nothing. But it's done; and it's done fast (and overall, the cost is the lowest, but so is the benefit). I have a friend who knows nothing about cars; yet he fixes them simply by throwing parts at them. If he gets an OBD code indicating a misfire, he replaces the plugs. If that doesn't work, he replaces the wires. If that doesn't work, he replaces the coils. If that doesn't work, he replaces the intake pcv valve. If that doesn't work, he replaces the visible vacuum hoses. If that doesn't work he replaces the intake boots. etc. Assuming there are, say, 5 likely culprits, if he guesses right on the first one, he considers himself an absolute genius. Even if he guesses wrong until the fifth one, he not only solves the problem, but he gets all new parts in the process. A *lot* of people work that way. They learn almost nothing; but they get the job done. Fast. It's efficient, I agree. It's not how *I* do things! I try to understand what I'm dealing with; I ask questions; I clarify; I summarize; and, I attempt (yes, attempt) to teach. In summary, if I use your suggested method for my four pool pumps, at, say, $5 per o-ring at the pool store, I'd walk out the door with an outlay of $30 per pump, or, only $120 for o-rings to refurbish the entire set. In two hours I'd be done. I wouldn't learn anything. I wouldn't teach anyone. But I'd be done. No doubt about this. $120 solves my problem (at DIY prices). On the other hand ... My method takes WEEKS! (yes, weeks elapsed time). Yet, I *learned* a lot! *Education never stops. Anyone willing to learn from my experience will learn also. That's one reason why I go to the effort to include screen shots and annotated photos in many of my posts. So others learn. My actual cost outlay is trivial. Assume I pay, on average, about 50¢ per o-ring (includes shipping), my outlay in cash is $12 for those four pumps. In summary: - ~2 hours, $120, near zero learning, zero teaching - ~20 hours, $12, lifelong learning, others benefit Pick the method for how *your* brain is wired. D- In the AHR / DIY arena .....you should concentrate on the "learning part", you're a LONG way from the point of being able to teach. Well, unless, of course, you're thinking "a good bad example can be useful for teaching other what not to do"? |
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On Jun 12, 7:22*pm, Danny D wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:32:00 -0700, Oren wrote: What is boring is waiting for your final leak test. I guess I should take a picture of it not leaking... :) The final leak test has long been done. The o-ring search is merely long-overdue maintenance. BTW, if you ever need o-rings, I know now, from my price survey, that these two outfits are exactly the same price (at usually pennies each): BEST: 1.http://oringwarehouse.com 2.http://theoringstore.com And these outfits are ten times more expensive, but, still at about a dollar or two, the prices are fine: GOOD: 3.http://mfpseals.com 4.http://www.oringsusa.com 5.http://www.onlineorings.com These (pool-oriented) guys are 100x more expensive: WORST: 6.http://www.inyopools.com 7.http://www.hottubworks.com This simple summary above, I had not known, until someone (Oren?, krw?) I don't remember who ... suggested we source o-rings (and bearings) by trade size. Did oyu take look at McMaster & Parker? http://www.manuf-rubber.com/sizing_gauges.html |
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On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:06:48 -0700, DD_BobK wrote:
"a good bad example can be useful for teaching other what not to do"? I learn more from my mistakes than from my successes. Others can learn from them as well. |
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Oren wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:38:25 -0500, "ChairMan" wrote: Careful there Mr O, bobby g is going to take you to task for not being user friendly. I'll get over it. I'm prepared to have Windows Narrator read his books to me. i'll just watch the movie |
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On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:09:18 -0700, DD_BobK wrote:
http://www.manuf-rubber.com/sizing_gauges.html Wow. That's a beautiful tool! I was unaware of o-ring sizing cones and sliders. I see Grainger sells them for $80 & $92 respectively. http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/ecatalog/N-1z0dpyt You can get the cone for half that he http://www.theoringstore.com/index.p...ct s_id=11510 Likewise he http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oring-Measur...-/200274143485 A bit cheaper in the Fastenal brand: https://www.fastenal.com/web/product...o/_/Navigation |
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On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:09:18 -0700, DD_BobK wrote:
http://www.manuf-rubber.com/sizing_gauges.html Thanks for the manuf-rubber reference. You have a wealth of knowledge & experience. I checked their prices against that of the rest for all my o-ring needs, and they do, indeed, consistently come out in the top category, equal to or slightly above prices of the first two. BEST PRICES: 1. http://oringwarehouse.com 2. http://theoringstore.com 3. http://www.manuf-rubber.com GOOD PRICES: 4. http://mfpseals.com 5. http://www.oringsusa.com 6. http://www.onlineorings.com WORST PRICES: 7. http://www.inyopools.com 8. http://www.hottubworks.com |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Jun 12, 11:27*pm, Danny D wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:06:48 -0700, DD_BobK wrote: "a good bad example can be useful for teaching other what not to do"? I learn more from my mistakes than from my successes. Others can learn from them as well. Excellent point but I'm worried that some of your post might be taken as "best practice" by the unknowing..... btw your must be brilliant by now think about it. |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Jun 12, 11:50*pm, Danny D wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:09:18 -0700, DD_BobK wrote: http://www.manuf-rubber.com/sizing_gauges.html Wow. That's a beautiful tool! I was unaware of o-ring sizing cones and sliders. I see Grainger sells them for $80 & $92 respectively. *http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/ecatalog/N-1z0dpyt You can get the cone for half that he *http://www.theoringstore.com/index.p...t_info&cPath=3... Likewise he *http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oring-Measur...-/200274143485 A bit cheaper in the Fastenal brand: *https://www.fastenal.com/web/product...merican-packin.... I know where to get them...... if you recall, I was the one who suggested a gauge? I was unaware of ____________ fill in the blank with nearly any noun or subject. btw I have an acceptable o-ring source, o-rings are generally cheap / reasonable where I buy them. FInding rock bottom o-ring prices is a waste of my time..... I don't use them that often & they are NEVER a cost driver. I think you tend to forget about that whole forest / tree thing & cost benefit analysis. Everything (even minutiae) seems to have the same import / priority. : ( Concentrate on the important stuff not the fly s.... Not the goo in the grout lines. :( Go volunteer somewhere...... |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 02:22:34 +0000 (UTC), Danny D
wrote: On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:32:00 -0700, Oren wrote: What is boring is waiting for your final leak test. I guess I should take a picture of it not leaking... :) The final leak test has long been done. Oh. I must have missed it being posted that the pump leak was fixed, by replacing the seal, etc... The o-ring search is merely long-overdue maintenance. BTW, if you ever need o-rings, I know now, from my price survey, that these two outfits are exactly the same price (at usually pennies each): BEST: 1. http://oringwarehouse.com 2. http://theoringstore.com And these outfits are ten times more expensive, but, still at about a dollar or two, the prices are fine: GOOD: 3. http://mfpseals.com 4. http://www.oringsusa.com 5. http://www.onlineorings.com These (pool-oriented) guys are 100x more expensive: WORST: 6. http://www.inyopools.com 7. http://www.hottubworks.com This simple summary above, I had not known, until someone (Oren?, krw?) I don't remember who ... suggested we source o-rings (and bearings) by trade size. |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 03:08:31 +0000 (UTC), Danny D
wrote: http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13305239.jpg There's a limit to local patronage. Would *you* buy a $75 shaft seal if you could get it for $10 online? (Same brand. US Seal.) No. I would also ask the local store if they did price matching. I paid the same price for a pool pump at the local store as it would have cost online. |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 06:50:08 +0000 (UTC), Danny D
wrote: http://www.manuf-rubber.com/sizing_gauges.html Wow. That's a beautiful tool! I was unaware of o-ring sizing cones and sliders. I worked in a real gas station as a teen. We had a slider tool that measured ID of V-belts (fans belts). Then select the belt from the shelf based on size. The link reminded me of it. |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade size! :)
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:27:54 -0700 (PDT), DD_BobK
wrote: On Jun 12, 11:27*pm, Danny D wrote: On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:06:48 -0700, DD_BobK wrote: "a good bad example can be useful for teaching other what not to do"? I learn more from my mistakes than from my successes. Others can learn from them as well. Excellent point but I'm worried that some of your post might be taken as "best practice" by the unknowing..... “We, the unwilling,led by the unknowing,are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much,for so long,with so little,we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.” btw your must be brilliant by now think about it. |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:27:54 -0700, DD_BobK wrote:
btw your must be brilliant by now think about it. If you only knew! :) For example, THIS is why my cleaner pump died yesterday! http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13310958.jpg Even I had to consider myself an idiot for listening to the pumprepair.com instructions, which called for removing the stationary V-plate and loosening the capacitor, when neither of which were actually needed to remove the diffuser. The problem was that I didn't realize that now-broken yellow wire would flop about, where it eventually chafed clean through, apparently with a puff of black smoke coming from somewhere, perhaps that mongo capacitor? So, in hindsight, I followed dumb instructions; and, I made an additional dumb mistake in putting the stuff back that I didn't actually have to remove in the first place. Sigh. In addition, the pumprepair.com instructions called for a silicone lube on the shaft seals, but the "real" answer is *NEVER* to use that! The real answer is dish detergent (but the pool stores don't make any money telling you that!): http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13310959.jpg So many mistakes - some of which were because I followed (what turns out to be dumb) instructions; yet, the wire was still my fault for not securing it! Plus, it turns out you and Oren were right all along about the unnecessary complications of the junction box on the ground, with the four fittings. It turns out that all I *really* needed was a straight-through 1/2" coupling on the motor itself (which is trivial to remove now). http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13310967.jpg My bad experience with the 1/2" elbow tainted my decisions; and, now I rue that I put that silly junction box there every time I see it. It cost more. It was more work. It's less water proof. It's in the way. And, it was unnecessary. Sigh. As you said, I'm (almost) brilliant by now! :) |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:19:16 -0700, Oren wrote:
We, the unwilling,led by the unknowing,are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much,for so long,with so little,we are now qualified to do anything with nothing. So says Winston Oren! (Or is it Oren Churchill?) PS: How do you like my custom test apparatus? http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13310990.jpg Notice that this got the motor whirring again, albeit only temporarily until I made a proper splice. http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13310995.jpg With all the learning from these mistakes, I'm well on my way to becoming a home-repair genius! |
Faux pas ordering pool pump & pool filter o-rings by trade
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:04:38 -0700, Oren wrote:
Oh. I must have missed it being posted that the pump leak was fixed, by replacing the seal ... Here is a picture of the pump seal being removed from the seal plate itself, with a handy dandy "Mark V Pump Seal Removal Tool": http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13311024.jpg Yes. For only $19.99 (regularly $28.99) you too can own your very own "Mark V". Accept no substitutes! Money order or cash only please! http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13311025.jpg |
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