In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

In article , wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana and
cocaine.

On May 31, 1:55*pm, (Jason) wrote:
In article , wrote:
On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
* Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. *You lefties really are
dumb****s.

* *When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on numerous
occassions?
* * *Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.

Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana and
cocaine.

And you've reported her, right, Jason?

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

In article
,
SkyEyes wrote:

On May 31, 1:55=A0pm, (Jason) wrote:
In article , =
wrote:
On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
=A0 Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman =
m
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article , k...@attt.=
bizz
wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. =A0You lefties really a=
re
dumb****s.

=A0 =A0When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and hi=
s alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed b=
y the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on nume=
rous
occassions?
=A0 =A0 =A0Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if the=
y
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he was=
far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who look=
s
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President. H=
e
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.

Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by someon=
e
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a majo=
r
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana and
cocaine.

And you've reported her, right, Jason?

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

Mary reported her but it's difficult for the understaffed welfare workers
to conduct investigations since proof is needed. In California, the
budgets of many state programs have been cut due to serious budget
problems.

As of yet, nothing has been done.

Several years ago, an investigation revealed that welfare cards (that work
like credit cards) were being used in Indian casinos. An investigation in
Florida revealed that welfare cards are being used in casinos and strip
joints.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/24/local/la-me-welfare-casinos-20100624

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:31:10 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article
,
SkyEyes wrote:

On May 31, 1:55=A0pm, (Jason) wrote:
In article , =
wrote:
On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
=A0 Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman =
m
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article , k...@attt.=
bizz
wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. =A0You lefties really a=
re
dumb****s.

=A0 =A0When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and hi=
s alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed b=
y the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on nume=
rous
occassions?
=A0 =A0 =A0Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if the=
y
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he was=
far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who look=
s
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President. H=
e
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.

Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by someon=
e
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a majo=
r
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana and
cocaine.

And you've reported her, right, Jason?

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

Mary reported her but it's difficult for the understaffed welfare workers
to conduct investigations since proof is needed. In California, the
budgets of many state programs have been cut due to serious budget
problems.

As of yet, nothing has been done.

Several years ago, an investigation revealed that welfare cards (that work
like credit cards) were being used in Indian casinos. An investigation in
Florida revealed that welfare cards are being used in casinos and strip
joints.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/24/local/la-me-welfare-casinos-20100624

And those are all crimes and the DA will be responsible for prosecuting
those who accept the money from those cards as well as those who use
those cards illegally. What we don't need is the Jesus-hating
reactionary racists saying that is a valid reason to abolish food
stamps, yet we have such people saying exactly that.

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However, it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the food
stamp rules.

In article
,
(Jason) wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed by
the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana and
cocaine.

So what?

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However, it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However, it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However, it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could
do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties really
are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta
ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was
just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if
they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who
looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've
seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana
and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to
take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However,
it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Not to mention the children and elderly people who'll go without food.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone
could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties
really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he
was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor
(particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie
who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way.
I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for
marijuana and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However, it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

I meant to investigate cases of possible fraud and abuse.

In article , Jeanne
Douglas wrote:

In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer
capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could
do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties
really
are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR
and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta
ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was
just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor
(particularly if
they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and
bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who
looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government
giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've
seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead
of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the
story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana
and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to
take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However,
it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Not to mention the children and elderly people who'll go without food.

The alternative is to do nothing about the fraud and abuse. Is that what
you want to happen?

In article
,
(Jason) wrote:

In article , Jeanne
Douglas wrote:

In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote
in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer
capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone
could
do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties
really
are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR
and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta
ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them
on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he
was
just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor
(particularly if
they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and
bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie
who
looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children,
the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government
giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the
underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way.
I've
seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is
a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead
of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of
the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of
sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the
story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for
marijuana
and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps
away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to
take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus
taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program.
However,
it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the
food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Not to mention the children and elderly people who'll go without food.

The alternative is to do nothing about the fraud and abuse. Is that what
you want to happen?

Better there be a little bit of fraud than have ANYone go hungry,
especially children and the elderly. It's not ike there's that much
fraud anyway; the SNAP program has a 98% efficiency rate (& fraud is
factored into that).

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

In article
,
(Jason) wrote:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable
of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone
could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties
really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and
his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta
ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he
was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor
(particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry
still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie
who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government
giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way.
I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of
food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of
a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for
marijuana and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to
take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However,
it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the
food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

I meant to investigate cases of possible fraud and abuse.

That's what he said--you want to waste billions in enforcement to avoid
a thousand in waste.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

On Fri, 31 May 2013 21:35:01 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Jeanne
Douglas wrote:

In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:
....
How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Not to mention the children and elderly people who'll go without food.

The alternative is to do nothing about the fraud and abuse. Is that what
you want to happen?

You make a reasonable effort to make it uninviting and difficult to
engage in SNAP fraud and punish those who are caught doing so, but as
with every other type of crime, we know that some people will get away
with it.

It is much more wasteful to spend 10% on enforcement than allow a far
smaller amount to be diverted to fraud. Like most law enforcement, the
first few dollars are the most effective.

Would you shut down roads because some people speed?

On Fri, 31 May 2013 21:34:08 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:
....
How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

I meant to investigate cases of possible fraud and abuse.

But fraud and abuse are far less than 5% of the cost now.

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 07:19:58 -0500, Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 21:34:08 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:
...
How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

I meant to investigate cases of possible fraud and abuse.

But fraud and abuse are far less than 5% of the cost now.

Which may be true but is immaterial to the debate since this
is a political issue, and politics is largely the art of
wrestling with and managing public perception. Similar
examples are a perceived crime wave when actual figures show
a downturn in crime, or the view that illegal immgirants are
welfare spongers when the evidence shows they are by and
large extremely hard workers, or the widespread belief that
America spends huge sums on third-world fireign aid when the
actual sums involved are only a tiny part of the budget.
Even if politicians wanted to deal with these issues
rationally and on the basis of facts, their voters demand
action on the basis of their perception and enforce this at
the ballot box.

On Jun 1, 8:19*am, Free Lunch wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2013 21:35:01 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:





In article , Jeanne
Douglas wrote:

In article ,
*Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:
...
How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Not to mention the children and elderly people who'll go without food.

The alternative is to do nothing about the fraud and abuse. Is that what
you want to happen?

You make a reasonable effort to make it uninviting and difficult to
engage in SNAP fraud and punish those who are caught doing so, but as
with every other type of crime, we know that some people will get away
with it.

It is much more wasteful to spend 10% on enforcement than allow a far
smaller amount to be diverted to fraud. Like most law enforcement, the
first few dollars are the most effective.

Of course the concept that the first few dollars are the most
effective doesn't apply to the welfare programs themselves,
right? Why no. In that case, the sky is the limit:

"Better there be a little bit of fraud than have ANYone go hungry"

We passed the point of people going hungry anywhere even
close to what really going hungry means around the world
a very long time ago. Today, look at people on welfare and
they have TV, cable, AC, Fritos.,....






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On Jun 1, 8:29*am, "Alex W." wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 07:19:58 -0500, Free Lunch wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2013 21:34:08 -0700, (Jason) wrote
in alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason)
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article , Free
Lunch wrote:
...
How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid
$1,000 i
n
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp
program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand
in waste. How foolish of you.

I meant to investigate cases of possible fraud and abuse.

But fraud and abuse are far less than 5% of the cost now.

Which may be true but is immaterial to the debate since this
is a political issue, and politics is largely the art of
wrestling with and managing public perception. *Similar
examples are a perceived crime wave when actual figures show
a downturn in crime,


Nice analogy. There are 48 mil on food stamps today, up
70% in the last 4 years. If crime were up like that, it would
be one hell of a mess. Actually, crime is one hell of a mess
in places like Detroit and Chicago that are run by you libs.




or the view that illegal immgirants are
welfare spongers when the evidence shows they are by and
large extremely hard workers,

hard worker or not, they are still illegal aliens. And there
are plenty of them taking advantage of the USA.





Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
Fox Busniess News

Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.

The most thorough study on the fiscal and economic impact of
immigration was done by the non-partisan Texas Comptrollers’
Office in 2006, which showed Texas earned more in taxes and
economic output from illegal immigrants than governments spent
to provide services. According to the Comptrollers’ office,
state and local governments spent $1.16 billion to provide
services like education, health care and safety, but raised
an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues. Based on the data,
the Texas taxpayer made a $424.7 million profit on its illegal
immigrant population in 2006.

Fiscally, illegal immigrants contribute mostly to state and
local coffers primarily through sales and property taxes,
which are mostly unavoidable. A majority of illegal immigrants
pay federal, state and local income tax as well - 50% to 75%,
according the Congressional Budget office.

Figures found in studies such as Texas’ 2006 study, or another
2007 study by the CBO, which did a survey of all data for the
past 30 years and concluded that fiscal impact of services
provided to illegal immigrants “is mostly modest,” stands in
contrast to political rhetoric that fueled the passage of
Arizona SB1070.
http://tinyurl.com/3429xdh




or the widespread belief that
America spends huge sums on third-world fireign aid when the
actual sums involved are only a tiny part of the budget.

And where is the evidence that it's doing us much good?
You cool with the idea of giving the muslim brotherhood
govt in Egypt money from struggling Americans?


Well, that IS the elected government there.
Do you have a problem with supporting democracy?

On 5/31/2013 11:35 PM, Jason wrote:
In article , Jeanne
Douglas wrote:

In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer
capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could
do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties
really
are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR
and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta
ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was
just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor
(particularly if
they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and
bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who
looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government
giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've
seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead
of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the
story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana
and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to
take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However,
it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Not to mention the children and elderly people who'll go without food.

The alternative is to do nothing about the fraud and abuse. Is that what
you want to happen?


Do you have the same zeal for ferreting out fraud and abuse when it
comes to big corporations that get billions from the taxpayers? Or is it
only the poor and powerless that get your scorn and ire?

On Jun 1, 9:54*am, Tom McDonald wrote:
On 5/31/2013 11:35 PM, Jason wrote:



In article , Jeanne
Douglas wrote:

In article ,
* Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
* *Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer
capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could
do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. *You lefties
really
are
dumb****s.

* * When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR
and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta
ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
* * * Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was
just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor
(particularly if
they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and
bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who
looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.

Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government
giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've
seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead
of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the
story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana
and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to
take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However,
it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Not to mention the children and elderly people who'll go without food.

The alternative is to do nothing about the fraud and abuse. Is that what
you want to happen?

Do you have the same zeal for ferreting out fraud and abuse when it
comes to big corporations that get billions from the taxpayers? Or is it
only the poor and powerless that get your scorn and ire?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Again, for the most part, corporations are not getting billions from
the taxpayers. It's that you libs like a tax system where you have
a high theoretical rate, so you can make it look like you're socking
it to those evil companies. Then you also pass all kinds of
exemptions
and loopholes that reduce their rate, so instead of paying 35%, they
actually wind up paying 20%. Kind of like when you do your own
taxes. You do know how to fill out an IRS form, don't you? We
conservatives would cut that 35% rate, one of the highest in the
world,
to something like 20% and get rid of all the loopholes, nonsense, etc.
But you libs will have none of it because you like to keep waging
classwarfare and pretending that corporations are evil.

Now there is some direct handout to corporations, but the best
example of that would be the recent experience of the govt and
Solyndra and all the other failed miracle energy companies. And
yes, with regard to any govt handouts or tax breaks, I'm all
for rooting out the fraud. Of course, the less of these we have
to begin with, the less fraud to worry about. If there was no
govt handouts to the likes of Solyndra, there would be no fraud.

"Free Lunch" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed by
the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he was
far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.



Once again the idiot presents a strawman argument to justify his bigotry
NO ONE has argued "to take away food stamps from everyone"
YOU LIE !

"Free Lunch" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 May 2013 14:31:10 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article
,
SkyEyes wrote:

On May 31, 1:55=A0pm, (Jason) wrote:
In article ,
=
wrote:
On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
=A0 Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman
=
m
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,
k...@attt.=
bizz
wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could
do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. =A0You lefties
really a=
re
dumb****s.

=A0 =A0When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and
hi=
s alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta
ashamed b=
y the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
nume=
rous
occassions?
=A0 =A0 =A0Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was
just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if
the=
y
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he
was=
far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who
look=
s
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. H=
e
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.

Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've
seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someon=
e
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
majo=
r
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana
and
cocaine.

And you've reported her, right, Jason?

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

Mary reported her but it's difficult for the understaffed welfare workers
to conduct investigations since proof is needed. In California, the
budgets of many state programs have been cut due to serious budget
problems.

As of yet, nothing has been done.

Several years ago, an investigation revealed that welfare cards (that work
like credit cards) were being used in Indian casinos. An investigation in
Florida revealed that welfare cards are being used in casinos and strip
joints.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/24/local/la-me-welfare-casinos-20100624

And those are all crimes and the DA will be responsible for prosecuting
those who accept the money from those cards as well as those who use
those cards illegally. What we don't need is the Jesus-hating
reactionary racists saying that is a valid reason to abolish food
stamps, yet we have such people saying exactly that.



Once again the idiot presents a strawman argument to justify his bigotry
NO ONE has argued "to take away food stamps from everyone"
YOU LIE !

"Free Lunch" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could
do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties really
are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was
just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if
they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he
was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who
looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President.
He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've
seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana
and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However, it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?



How much fraud and waste are you willing to tolerate ?
Think about it
That fraud and waste is cheating not only those paying for it, but those who
really need it.

"Free Lunch" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable
of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could
do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties
really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and
his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta
ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was
just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly
if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry
still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who
looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government
giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've
seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of
food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of
a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana
and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to
take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However,
it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the
food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.


Another false argument
You have waste in the MILLIONS, if not billions

"Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote
in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer
capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone
could
do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties
really
are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and
his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta
ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them
on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he
was
just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly
if
they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry
still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie
who
looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children,
the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government
giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the
underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way.
I've
seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is
a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of
food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of
the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of
sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story
of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for
marijuana
and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps
away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to
take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus
taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program.
However,
it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the
food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Not to mention the children and elderly people who'll go without food.


Here comes the idiot with an appeal to emotion COMPLETELY UNSUPPORTED BY
FACT

"Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message
...
In article
,
(Jason) wrote:

In article , Jeanne
Douglas wrote:

In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote
in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free
Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason)
wrote
in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer
capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason
because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone
could
do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties
really
are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR
and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they
sorta
ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to
them
on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers,
he
was
just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor
(particularly if
they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and
bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan
because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St.
Ronnie
who
looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have
50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the
children,
the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single
day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government
giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the
underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same
way.
I've
seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the
dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT
card is
a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead
of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior
of
the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of
sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the
story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for
marijuana
and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food
stamps
away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who
want to
take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus
taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program.
However,
it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing
the
food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000
in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Not to mention the children and elderly people who'll go without food.

The alternative is to do nothing about the fraud and abuse. Is that what
you want to happen?

Better there be a little bit of fraud than have ANYone go hungry,
especially children and the elderly. It's not ike there's that much
fraud anyway; the SNAP program has a 98% efficiency rate (& fraud is
factored into that).


Let's see the data

"Tom McDonald" wrote in message
...
On 5/31/2013 11:35 PM, Jason wrote:

The alternative is to do nothing about the fraud and abuse. Is that what
you want to happen?


Do you have the same zeal for ferreting out fraud and abuse when it comes
to big corporations that get billions from the taxpayers? Or is it only
the poor and powerless that get your scorn and ire?



The argument that since you don't do A) you have no right to discuss B) is a
false one,
As the other stupid parrot likes to post
Redirection noted, redirection rejected

"Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message
...
In article
,
(Jason) wrote:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote
in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason)
wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer
capable
of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason
because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone
could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties
really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR
and
his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta
ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to
them on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he
was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor
(particularly if they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry
still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan
because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie
who looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children,
the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single
day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government
giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the
underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way.
I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar
by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card
is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead
of
food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of
the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of
sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the
story of
a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for
marijuana and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps
away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want
to
take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus
taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program.
However,
it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the
food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

I meant to investigate cases of possible fraud and abuse.

That's what he said--you want to waste billions in enforcement to avoid
a thousand in waste.


Feel free to support your claim about billions and millions
We know (as usual) that you were just lying and can't support your claim

"Free Lunch" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 May 2013 21:34:08 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:
...
How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

I meant to investigate cases of possible fraud and abuse.

But fraud and abuse are far less than 5% of the cost now.

Based on what data ?

"Free Lunch" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 May 2013 21:34:08 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:
...
How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

I meant to investigate cases of possible fraud and abuse.

But fraud and abuse are far less than 5% of the cost now.



Yet you morons have no problems going after those imaginary "assault
weapons" even though the only represent less than 2% of the crime..

"Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message
...
In article
,
(Jason) wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties really are
dumb****s.


When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta ashamed
by
the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor (particularly if
they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because he was
far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who
looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became President.
He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50 million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.


Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense. ^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana and
cocaine.

So what?

--

Oh so now you don't care about her little children who are going hungry
because of the fraud committed by the mother ??
You hypocrite.

On 6/1/2013 9:06 AM, wrote:
On Jun 1, 9:54 am, Tom McDonald wrote:
On 5/31/2013 11:35 PM, Jason wrote:



In article , Jeanne
Douglas wrote:

In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer
capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could
do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. You lefties
really
are
dumb****s.

When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR
and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta
ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was
just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor
(particularly if
they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and
bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who
looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.

Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government
giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've
seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead
of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the
story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana
and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to
take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However,
it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Not to mention the children and elderly people who'll go without food.

The alternative is to do nothing about the fraud and abuse. Is that what
you want to happen?

Do you have the same zeal for ferreting out fraud and abuse when it
comes to big corporations that get billions from the taxpayers? Or is it
only the poor and powerless that get your scorn and ire?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Again, for the most part, corporations are not getting billions from
the taxpayers. It's that you libs like a tax system where you have
a high theoretical rate, so you can make it look like you're socking
it to those evil companies. Then you also pass all kinds of
exemptions
and loopholes that reduce their rate, so instead of paying 35%, they
actually wind up paying 20%. Kind of like when you do your own
taxes. You do know how to fill out an IRS form, don't you? We
conservatives would cut that 35% rate, one of the highest in the
world,
to something like 20% and get rid of all the loopholes, nonsense, etc.
But you libs will have none of it because you like to keep waging
classwarfare and pretending that corporations are evil.

Now there is some direct handout to corporations, but the best
example of that would be the recent experience of the govt and
Solyndra and all the other failed miracle energy companies. And
yes, with regard to any govt handouts or tax breaks, I'm all
for rooting out the fraud. Of course, the less of these we have
to begin with, the less fraud to worry about. If there was no
govt handouts to the likes of Solyndra, there would be no fraud.

KBR. Haliburton. Exxon and other oil companies. Etc.

On Jun 1, 10:38*am, Tom McDonald wrote:
On 6/1/2013 9:06 AM, wrote:



On Jun 1, 9:54 am, Tom McDonald wrote:
On 5/31/2013 11:35 PM, Jason wrote:

In article , Jeanne
Douglas wrote:

In article ,
* *Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 16:57:42 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 13:55:49 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article ,
wrote:

On 5/27/2013 8:49 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
In article ,
* * Free Lunch wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:33:19 -0400, Kurt Ullman

wrote in alt.atheism:

In article ,

wrote:

Remaining President when you know you are no longer
capable of
performing the duties is the worst kind of treason because
it's
endangers the country more than almost anything anyone could
do.

Show me where that is grounds for treason. *You lefties
really
are
dumb****s.

* * *When there is a lefty getting all up in arms about RR
and his
alleged
Alzheimers, I ask them if that is true, aren't they sorta
ashamed
by the
fact that this demented old man handed their assess to them on
numerous
occassions?
* * * *Tends to shut them up at least temporarily.

We're being nice to him. If he did not have Alzheimers, he was
just
being a very bad man. The fact that he could get enough
hate-filled
Americans to support him in his war on the poor
(particularly if
they
were of color) shows us how much racism, sexism and
bigotry still
remains in this country.

Of course, today, the GOP would never consider Reagan because
he was far
too liberal for their taste. They worship a fake St. Ronnie who
looks
little like the man who was actually president.

The War on Hunger had been won by the time Reagan became
President. He
dismantled the apparatus that had worked and now we have 50
million
Americans who are food insecure, almost all of the children, the
elderly, and hard-working adults.

For that alone, Reagan deserves to be cursed every single day.

Perhaps the program suffered the malaise of many government
giveaway
programs which is becoming a huge corrupted and wasteful
organization.
Food Stamps became the secondary legal tender for the underground
and
criminal economy. The EBT card is being used in the same way. I've
seen
the credit on the cards being sold for 50 cents on the dollar by
someone
who wanted to buy booze or dope. Food Stamps now the EBT card is a
major
part of the illegal drug trade. I've seen people trade their
EBT credit for cash to buy cigarets, pot and alcohol instead
of food
for "their children". So the P.L.L.C.F. blame the behavior of the
parents on Republican presidents. Gee, that makes a lot of sense.
^_^

TDD

Thanks for the best post that I have seen today. I know the
story of a
local mother of three kids. She trades her food stamps for marijuana
and
cocaine.

And that is a crime, but it is not an excuse to take food stamps away
from those who are not violating the law. Clearly those who want to
take
food stamps away from everyone are people who hate what Jesus taught,
who mock what Jesus taught.

I agree that it's not an escuse to end the food stamp program. However,
it
is evidence that officials need to do a better job of enforcing the food
stamp rules.

How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program..

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Not to mention the children and elderly people who'll go without food.

The alternative is to do nothing about the fraud and abuse. Is that what
you want to happen?

Do you have the same zeal for ferreting out fraud and abuse when it
comes to big corporations that get billions from the taxpayers? Or is it
only the poor and powerless that get your scorn and ire?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Again, for the most part, corporations are not getting billions from
the taxpayers. *It's that you libs like a tax system where you have
a high theoretical rate, so you can make it look like you're socking
it to those evil companies. * Then you also pass all kinds of
exemptions
and loopholes that reduce their rate, so instead of paying 35%, they
actually wind up paying 20%. * Kind of like when you do your own
taxes. * You do know how to fill out an IRS form, don't you? *We
conservatives would cut that 35% rate, one of the highest in the
world,
to something like 20% and get rid of all the loopholes, nonsense, etc.
But you libs will have none of it because you like to keep waging
classwarfare and pretending that corporations are evil.

Now there is some direct handout to corporations, but the best
example of that would be the recent experience of the govt and
Solyndra and all the other failed miracle energy companies. *And
yes, with regard to any govt handouts or tax breaks, I'm all
for rooting out the fraud. *Of course, the less of these we have
to begin with, the less fraud to worry about. *If there was no
govt handouts to the likes of Solyndra, there would be no fraud.

KBR. Haliburton. Exxon and other oil companies. Etc.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

All of which are doing exactly what I said. They are paying a hell of
a lot in total taxes. It's just that the effective rate gets reduced
from 35% to 15% or 20% through various tax exemptions.
So what? It has nothing to do with people getting all kinds of
free handouts from the govt who are PAYING NO INCOME
TAX at all. Capiche?

On Jun 1, 9:30*am, Mitchell Holman nomailverizon.net wrote:
" wrote :





On Jun 1, 8:29*am, "Alex W." wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 07:19:58 -0500, Free Lunch wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2013 21:34:08 -0700, (Jason) wrote
in alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason)
wrote in alt.atheism:

In article , Free
Lunch wrote:
...
How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid
$1,000 i
n
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp
program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand
in waste. How foolish of you.

I meant to investigate cases of possible fraud and abuse.

But fraud and abuse are far less than 5% of the cost now.

Which may be true but is immaterial to the debate since this
is a political issue, and politics is largely the art of
wrestling with and managing public perception. *Similar
examples are a perceived crime wave when actual figures show
a downturn in crime,

Nice analogy. *There are 48 mil on food stamps today, up
70% in the last 4 years. *If crime were up like that, it would
be one hell of a mess. *Actually, crime is one hell of a mess
in places like Detroit and Chicago that are run by you libs.

or the view that illegal immgirants are
welfare spongers when the evidence shows they are by and
large extremely hard workers,

hard worker or not, they are still illegal aliens. *And there
are plenty of them taking advantage of the USA.

Illegal Immigration Provides Benefits to States
Fox Busniess News

Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several
studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more
of an economic contributor to state and local economies than
politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can
be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal
immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of
the population.

The most thorough study on the fiscal and economic impact of
immigration was done by the non-partisan Texas Comptrollers’
Office in 2006, which showed Texas earned more in taxes and
economic output from illegal immigrants than governments spent
to provide services. According to the Comptrollers’ office,
state and local governments spent $1.16 billion to provide
services like education, health care and safety, but raised
an estimated $1.58 billion in tax revenues. Based on the data,
the Texas taxpayer made a $424.7 million profit on its illegal
immigrant population in 2006.


Liar, liar, pants on fire! You carefull edited out this part which
totally
changes the math:

"Undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues,
which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received.
However, local governments bore the burden of $1.44 billion in
uncompensated health care costs and local law enforcement costs not
paid for by the state.”

So:

$1.58bil - $1.16bil - $1.44 bil = - $1bil

In other words illegal alliens actually cost the citizens of TX,
$1bil.
And that is assuming that the guestimates of how much revenue the
state
received from them is accurate. We know for damn sure the costs
of public aid are accurate.



or the widespread belief that
America spends huge sums on third-world fireign aid when the
actual sums involved are only a tiny part of the budget.

And where is the evidence that it's doing us much good?
You cool with the idea of giving the muslim brotherhood
govt in Egypt money from struggling Americans?

* *Well, that IS the elected government there.
Do you have a problem with supporting democracy?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, when the elected govt is anti-American, denies basic human
rights to women, persecutes Christians and supports our enemies.

On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 06:08:43 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote in alt.atheism:

On Jun 1, 8:19*am, Free Lunch wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2013 21:35:01 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:





In article , Jeanne
Douglas wrote:

In article ,
*Free Lunch wrote:

On Fri, 31 May 2013 19:22:25 -0700, (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:

In article , Free Lunch
wrote:
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How much are you willing to spend in enforcement to avoid $1,000 in
fraud?

About 5 to 10 percent of the money spent on the food stamp program.

So you want to spend billions in enforcement to avoid a thousand in
waste. How foolish of you.

Not to mention the children and elderly people who'll go without food.

The alternative is to do nothing about the fraud and abuse. Is that what
you want to happen?

You make a reasonable effort to make it uninviting and difficult to
engage in SNAP fraud and punish those who are caught doing so, but as
with every other type of crime, we know that some people will get away
with it.

It is much more wasteful to spend 10% on enforcement than allow a far
smaller amount to be diverted to fraud. Like most law enforcement, the
first few dollars are the most effective.

Of course the concept that the first few dollars are the most
effective doesn't apply to the welfare programs themselves,
right? Why no. In that case, the sky is the limit:

"Better there be a little bit of fraud than have ANYone go hungry"

We passed the point of people going hungry anywhere even
close to what really going hungry means around the world
a very long time ago. Today, look at people on welfare and
they have TV, cable, AC, Fritos.,....

What welfare program are you speaking of? Which country?

On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 07:06:48 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote in alt.atheism:

On Jun 1, 9:54*am, Tom McDonald wrote:
On 5/31/2013 11:35 PM, Jason wrote:
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The alternative is to do nothing about the fraud and abuse. Is that what
you want to happen?

Do you have the same zeal for ferreting out fraud and abuse when it
comes to big corporations that get billions from the taxpayers? Or is it
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Again, for the most part, corporations are not getting billions from
the taxpayers.

Of course they are. How ignorant are you of government spending?

It's that you libs like a tax system where you have
a high theoretical rate, so you can make it look like you're socking
it to those evil companies. Then you also pass all kinds of exemptions
and loopholes that reduce their rate, so instead of paying 35%, they
actually wind up paying 20%. Kind of like when you do your own
taxes. You do know how to fill out an IRS form, don't you? We
conservatives would cut that 35% rate, one of the highest in the world,
to something like 20% and get rid of all the loopholes, nonsense, etc.
But you libs will have none of it because you like to keep waging
classwarfare and pretending that corporations are evil.

This has nothing to do with the absurdly low taxes that corporations pay
because the 35% rate is a joke that is paid by few companies if any.
This is about the huge amount of money spent by the government.

Now there is some direct handout to corporations, but the best
example of that would be the recent experience of the govt and
Solyndra and all the other failed miracle energy companies.

Don't you wish that George W Bush hadn't set up that program? Goodness,
look how much of a failure Tesla is, oh, nevermind.

Now, let's talk about overpriced goodies that the Defense Department
buys, or the billions in subsidies that huge corporate farms get, or the
billions spent making the "Beltway Bandits" rich in their consulting
gigs.

And yes, with regard to any govt handouts or tax breaks, I'm all
for rooting out the fraud. Of course, the less of these we have
to begin with, the less fraud to worry about. If there was no
govt handouts to the likes of Solyndra, there would be no fraud.

Let's start by making it a crime for professional sports teams to demand
handouts.