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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to be fixed
A recent thread in a.h.r blamed the government for "ruining"
the portable gasoline container: TITLE: The government ruined the gas can... URL: http://tinyurl.com/cszj22e Personally, I feel manufacturers ruined the gasoline can, simply by following only half the requirements for a gasoline can. That half is the government requirement that the gas stay *inside* the can. Yet, the manufacturers wholly punted on the consumer's requirement that the gas flows *out* of the can! All photos below are of the Blitz brand, since it's all I could find local Lowes hardware store, here in California anyway: http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12925619.jpg The real problem is that the engineers at Blitz designed a gas can *only* to government standards (and not to consumer needs). For example, the government stipulated that no gas should diffuse or leak leak out of the can, even after a year in the hot sun; and, they mandated that accidental expression of the contents be prevented; and and they required child-proof caps, all of which Blitz engineered into the gas can. But, the government didn't mandate consumer ease of use. Neither did Blitz design to any reasonable consumer use model. The result is that Blitz engineers designed a gas can that holds gasoline *in*; but Joe Consumer can't easily get that gas *out*. In a followup post, I'll describe what I think may be the engineer foibles that resulted, which I know many of you know full well. I'm also well aware of the common workarounds to the problem, which I will mention later; but if you know of better solutions, now would be a good time to suggest them. The best solution of all, would be a replacement cap - so if you know of one, please let us know where to get it. |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to befixed
On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:20:01 +0000, Danny D wrote:
The real problem is that the engineers at Blitz designed a gas can *only* to government standards (and not to consumer needs). The few Blitz portable gasoline containers I own hold gasoline *in* without losing an ounce by weight even after a full year in the blazing sun, it's almost ridiculous how difficult it is to get that gasoline *out* of the poorly designed Blitz gas can! A quick way to show how well the can holds the gasoline *in*, is simply to take two cans from the cool windowless shed, as I did just now, and put one in the sun and leave the other next to it, in the shade, for a few minutes (this was after about ten min): http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12926771.jpg Bear in mind, both those portable gasoline containers are holding a full 5 gallons, and they still balloon outward in the sun. When they're a quarter full or less, they basically blow over in the wind like a beach ball rolling about. It should be clear that the Blitz cans are designed only to keep the gasoline *in*, but that no attention whatsoever was made to making it easy for the consumer to get the gas *out*. For example, pour spout manipulation requires two hands alone: http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12925803.jpg The problem with that is we're talking five gallons of gasoline, which you can't hold high in the air with your pinky while you're refueling a standard-sized automobile. So, in effect, you need three hands (two to defeat the buttons, the other to fight gravity). http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12925919.jpg Worse yet, your third hand will be holding those five gallons for a long time, because there is no external vent. The internal vent only allows the gasoline to trickle out. http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12925923.jpg You'd think these handles conspicuously molded into the can would be helpful under these circumstances, but only the top handle is of any use whatsoever when there is any appreciable gas in the can: (If you don't believe me, try to use that handle & report back): http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12925908.jpg Of course, the only logical solution is to remove the button (which the manufacturer designed expecting you to do just that): http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12925925.jpg And Youtube videos exist showing where to drill the 1/2-inch hole to vent the gasoline can (again, where the manufacturer left conspicuously thick knowing full well that's what you'd do): http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12925914.jpg Since nobody on this planet can stand the pour spout, most of the time you just remove the spout in its entirety and just pour or siphon out of the open mouth of the can. http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12926515.jpg That means you'll be removing the cap a lot - so - again, the manufacturer made it painfully obvious what you have to do in order to make cap removal even close to palatable: http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12925909.jpg True to the design goal of keeping gasoline *in* the can, even if you tilt the can fully upside down, and do the Harlem Shake, you'll still *never* get all the gas *out* of the can! http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12926632.jpg Would one of the engineers on this group explain *how* it can be that the spout isn't at a point where *all* the gasoline comes out when you fully invert the gasoline can??? http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12926701.jpg The result of this inexplicable design flaw is that the trapped gasoline vaporizes such that it all leaks out into the atmosphere the moment you remove the spout to refill the can. While we're discussing engineering fixes, a little known yet very serious flaw in the Blitz spout design is that this spot tends to develop a circular crack, within only about a year of use, which again, allows all the gasoline to leak into the atmosphe http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12925906.jpg While common workarounds exist (e.g., remove the button, cut off the ratchet lock, add a tire valve vent, etc.) the one workaround I haven't seen, since the spout is so useless, is to replace it with a plain old gasoline cap? http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12941482.jpg |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to befixed
On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:21:29 +0000, Danny D wrote:
the one workaround I haven't seen, since the spout is so useless, is to replace it with a plain old gasoline cap? I'm not sure if the company will ever get out of chapter 11; but, if anyone knows of a second source for a plain old gasoline cap, we'd all benefit. http://www.blitzusa.com/chapter11filings.html Any ideas for a plain Jane gasoline cap for the Blitz gas can? |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to be fixed
Danny D wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:21:29 +0000, Danny D wrote: the one workaround I haven't seen, since the spout is so useless, is to replace it with a plain old gasoline cap? I'm not sure if the company will ever get out of chapter 11; but, if anyone knows of a second source for a plain old gasoline cap, we'd all benefit. http://www.blitzusa.com/chapter11filings.html Any ideas for a plain Jane gasoline cap for the Blitz gas can? http://ezpourspout.bluesarthouse.ws/wp/ Works great and has fit every can I have. |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to befixed
On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:54:13 -0400, Steve W. wrote:
Any ideas for a plain Jane gasoline cap for the Blitz gas can? http://ezpourspout.bluesarthouse.ws/wp/ This is interesting because it provides for a second vent opening. That would be plan B, if I can't find a plain Jane gas cap to fit. Since I siphon, I don't really need to pop a vent hole; I just need a plain gas cap. So, plan A is a gas cap source for the Blitz USA gas cans. Plan B, if no cap can be found, is that nice spout you just found! Thanks for the helpful information! |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to be fixed
Danny D wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 19:54:13 -0400, Steve W. wrote: Any ideas for a plain Jane gasoline cap for the Blitz gas can? http://ezpourspout.bluesarthouse.ws/wp/ This is interesting because it provides for a second vent opening. That would be plan B, if I can't find a plain Jane gas cap to fit. Since I siphon, I don't really need to pop a vent hole; I just need a plain gas cap. So, plan A is a gas cap source for the Blitz USA gas cans. Plan B, if no cap can be found, is that nice spout you just found! Thanks for the helpful information! They also sell plain caps. Look under the parts heading. -- Steve W. |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to be fixed
On 2013-05-13, Steve W. wrote:
Danny D wrote: On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:21:29 +0000, Danny D wrote: the one workaround I haven't seen, since the spout is so useless, is to replace it with a plain old gasoline cap? I'm not sure if the company will ever get out of chapter 11; but, if anyone knows of a second source for a plain old gasoline cap, we'd all benefit. http://www.blitzusa.com/chapter11filings.html Any ideas for a plain Jane gasoline cap for the Blitz gas can? http://ezpourspout.bluesarthouse.ws/wp/ Works great and has fit every can I have. Because they sell it for containers made -before- 2009. In other words it works because it doesn't meet the regs. See it's up to you not use it on containers made after 2009.... |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to be fixed
On 5/14/2013 1:17 AM, Brent wrote:
On 2013-05-13, Steve W. wrote: Danny D wrote: On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:21:29 +0000, Danny D wrote: the one workaround I haven't seen, since the spout is so useless, is to replace it with a plain old gasoline cap? I'm not sure if the company will ever get out of chapter 11; but, if anyone knows of a second source for a plain old gasoline cap, we'd all benefit. http://www.blitzusa.com/chapter11filings.html Any ideas for a plain Jane gasoline cap for the Blitz gas can? http://ezpourspout.bluesarthouse.ws/wp/ Works great and has fit every can I have. Because they sell it for containers made -before- 2009. In other words it works because it doesn't meet the regs. See it's up to you not use it on containers made after 2009.... I have only dealt with a few but the thread size on the pre 2009 cans is different than the post 2009 "new style" cans. Likely intentional to prevent the use of older accessories. |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to be fixed
On May 13, 10:17*pm, Brent wrote:
On 2013-05-13, Steve W. wrote: Danny D wrote: On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:21:29 +0000, Danny D wrote: the one workaround I haven't seen, since the spout is so useless, is to replace it with a plain old gasoline cap? I'm not sure if the company will ever get out of chapter 11; but, if anyone knows of a second source for a plain old gasoline cap, we'd all benefit. *http://www.blitzusa.com/chapter11filings.html Any ideas for a plain Jane gasoline cap for the Blitz gas can? http://ezpourspout.bluesarthouse.ws/wp/ Works great and has fit every can I have. Because they sell it for containers made -before- 2009. In other words it works because it doesn't meet the regs. See it's up to you not use it on containers made after 2009.... From the few I have tried, the compliant cans take a different size cap. They changed the size. Harry K |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to be fixed
On 5/13/2013 7:54 PM, Steve W. wrote:
Danny D wrote: On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:21:29 +0000, Danny D wrote: the one workaround I haven't seen, since the spout is so useless, is to replace it with a plain old gasoline cap? I'm not sure if the company will ever get out of chapter 11; but, if anyone knows of a second source for a plain old gasoline cap, we'd all benefit. http://www.blitzusa.com/chapter11filings.html Any ideas for a plain Jane gasoline cap for the Blitz gas can? http://ezpourspout.bluesarthouse.ws/wp/ Works great and has fit every can I have. I have purchased those but they are useless on the new and improved cans which have a different thread size. Their web site prominently notes that: "EZ-POUR REPLACEMENT SPOUT KIT IS DESIGNED AND SOLD AS REPLACEMENT PARTS SPECIFICALLY FOR PORTABLE FUEL CONTAINERS MANUFACTURED BEFORE JANUARY 2009" |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to befixed
On Tue, 14 May 2013 06:45:18 -0400, George wrote:
"EZ-POUR REPLACEMENT SPOUT KIT IS DESIGNED AND SOLD AS REPLACEMENT PARTS SPECIFICALLY FOR PORTABLE FUEL CONTAINERS MANUFACTURED BEFORE JANUARY 2009" This could be due to one of two possible reasons: 1. It could be legalese (as previously stated), or, 2. It might actually be the wrong threads. I'll try calling Blitz again to see if they changed their threads: Blitz U.S.A., Inc., 404 26th Ave. NW, Miami, OK 74354 Unfortunately, the Blitz USA hotline is out of commission: 24-hour Consumer Service Hotline at 877-922-5489 So is the Blitz local telephone number: 918-540-1515 I'm going to have to order a few caps just to see if they fit. I may also buy the water jug caps, to see if they fit. If anyone has *already* tested the cap, it would be nice to see if they fit. Maybe someone can test them side-by-side in the store? (I'll check out my local stores to see if they have both the water jugs and the gasoline jugs to test.) |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to befixed
On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:21:29 +0000, Danny D wrote:
Would one of the engineers on this group explain *how* it can be that the spout isn't at a point where *all* the gasoline comes out when you fully invert the gasoline can??? http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12926701.jpg I have the same problem! There must be a puddling spot inside somewhere. This guy had a similar problem at point 6:45 of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcnwdIYEfI |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to befixed
On Tue, 14 May 2013 01:35:34 +0000, Eddie Powalski wrote:
This guy had a similar problem at point 6:45 of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcnwdIYEfI Another fix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaP-nT3Zog And another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3o5tHLWZKc |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to be fixed
Eddie Powalski wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 01:35:34 +0000, Eddie Powalski wrote: This guy had a similar problem at point 6:45 of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcnwdIYEfI Another fix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaP-nT3Zog And another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3o5tHLWZKc those videos are great. Later I am going to see if YouTube can teach me to tie my shoes again.....damn velcro.... GW |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to befixed
On Tue, 14 May 2013 11:44:52 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcnwdIYEfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaP-nT3Zog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3o5tHLWZKc I am going to see if YouTube can teach me to tie my shoes again.....damn velcro.... Everything in those videos was intuitive to me except what to use for a vent. I thought it was ingenious that they drilled a half-inch hole (paddle wood bit would be better than the spiral flute bit they used though) and inserted an automotive tire valve sans the stem. Pulling out the locking "trigger" was obvious, I agree. Personally, I defeat the child-proof lock simply by knocking off the nub on the red plastic, whereas in the videos, they redundantly cut both the nub and the ratchet (either one would have worked alone). That child-proof feature is odd though, because even with it removed, it's still darn difficult to get the cap off. It's my opinion that any 'kid' strong enough to remove that cap is certainly already old enough to defeat the ratchet lock on his own anyway. Overall, after experiencing these cans since their inception in California (which happened before you guys had the honor of following CARB regulations)... I've concluded the best thing to do with the spout is to simply remove it. That's why I'm looking for caps to fit! |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to befixed
On Tue, 14 May 2013 11:44:52 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcnwdIYEfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaP-nT3Zog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3o5tHLWZKc I am going to see if YouTube can teach me to tie my shoes again.....damn velcro.... Everything in those videos was intuitive to me except what to use for a vent. I thought it was ingenious that they drilled a half-inch hole (paddle wood bit would be better than the spiral flute bit they used though) and inserted an automotive tire valve sans the stem. Pulling out the locking "trigger" was obvious, I agree. Personally, I defeat the child-proof lock simply by knocking off the nub on the red plastic, whereas in the videos, they redundantly cut both the nub and the ratchet (either one would have worked alone). That child-proof feature is odd though, because even with it removed, it's still darn difficult to get the cap off. It's my opinion that any 'kid' strong enough to remove that cap is certainly already old enough to defeat the ratchet lock on his own anyway. Overall, after experiencing these cans since their inception in California (which happened before you guys had the honor of following CARB regulations)... I've concluded the best thing to do with the spout is to simply remove it. That's why I'm looking for caps to fit! |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to befixed
On Tue, 14 May 2013 11:44:52 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcnwdIYEfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaP-nT3Zog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3o5tHLWZKc I am going to see if YouTube can teach me to tie my shoes again.....damn velcro.... Everything in those videos was intuitive to me except what to use for a vent. I thought it was ingenious that they drilled a half-inch hole (paddle wood bit would be better than the spiral flute bit they used though) and inserted an automotive tire valve sans the stem. Pulling out the locking "trigger" was obvious, I agree. Personally, I defeat the child-proof lock simply by knocking off the nub on the red plastic, whereas in the videos, they redundantly cut both the nub and the ratchet (either one would have worked alone). That child-proof feature is odd though, because even with it removed, it's still darn difficult to get the cap off. It's my opinion that any 'kid' strong enough to remove that cap is certainly already old enough to defeat the ratchet lock on his own anyway. Overall, after experiencing these cans since their inception in California (which happened before you guys had the honor of following CARB regulations)... I've concluded the best thing to do with the spout is to simply remove it. That's why I'm looking for caps to fit! |
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Eddie Powalski wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 23:21:29 +0000, Danny D wrote: Would one of the engineers on this group explain *how* it can be that the spout isn't at a point where *all* the gasoline comes out when you fully invert the gasoline can??? http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12926701.jpg I have the same problem! There must be a puddling spot inside somewhere. This guy had a similar problem at point 6:45 of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcnwdIYEfI Really, really liked the hint of obtaining gas can vent caps via Ebay ! Cheap (1 for $3.00, 5 for $7.75, 10 for $11.20, 15 for $11.98, etc. ), trivial to install (1/2" bit is all you need), and quite functional. |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to befixed
On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:48:30 -0500, HeyBub wrote:
Really, really liked the hint of obtaining gas can vent caps via Ebay ! I wonder how 'much' gas (percentage wise) actually escapes as vapor from a modified gas can with a vent? That is, how much of a problem is the EPA trying to solve? I'll call CARB tomorrow to see if I can nail down what we're saving in gas venting versus the huge frustration and cost of those useless spouts. BTW: Sorry for the duplicate posts (AIOE does that every once in a while). (Using a different newsserver for this post). |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to be fixed
On 05/14/2013 07:28 PM, Danny D. wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 17:48:30 -0500, HeyBub wrote: Really, really liked the hint of obtaining gas can vent caps via Ebay ! I wonder how 'much' gas (percentage wise) actually escapes as vapor from a modified gas can with a vent? That is, how much of a problem is the EPA trying to solve? I'll call CARB tomorrow to see if I can nail down what we're saving in gas venting versus the huge frustration and cost of those useless spouts. not to mention the increased spillage trying to get them to work... BTW: Sorry for the duplicate posts (AIOE does that every once in a while). (Using a different newsserver for this post). -- fact check required |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to be fixed
On 05/13/2013 07:20 PM, Danny D wrote:
A recent thread in a.h.r blamed the government for "ruining" the portable gasoline container: TITLE: The government ruined the gas can... URL: http://tinyurl.com/cszj22e Personally, I feel manufacturers ruined the gasoline can, simply by following only half the requirements for a gasoline can. That half is the government requirement that the gas stay *inside* the can. Yet, the manufacturers wholly punted on the consumer's requirement that the gas flows *out* of the can! All photos below are of the Blitz brand, since it's all I could find local Lowes hardware store, here in California anyway: http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12925619.jpg The real problem is that the engineers at Blitz designed a gas can *only* to government standards (and not to consumer needs). For example, the government stipulated that no gas should diffuse or leak leak out of the can, even after a year in the hot sun; and, they mandated that accidental expression of the contents be prevented; and and they required child-proof caps, all of which Blitz engineered into the gas can. But, the government didn't mandate consumer ease of use. Neither did Blitz design to any reasonable consumer use model. The result is that Blitz engineers designed a gas can that holds gasoline *in*; but Joe Consumer can't easily get that gas *out*. In a followup post, I'll describe what I think may be the engineer foibles that resulted, which I know many of you know full well. I'm also well aware of the common workarounds to the problem, which I will mention later; but if you know of better solutions, now would be a good time to suggest them. The best solution of all, would be a replacement cap - so if you know of one, please let us know where to get it. Just take the damned thing off and use a funnel... seriously. The nozzle is damn near worthless, a simple screw-off cap would be more practical, less likely to break, and would make it more clear to the end user how to actually get the gasoline out of the stupid thing. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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UPDATE:
Called CARB at 800-242-4450 and was transferred to Angus at 916-445-4686 who discussed with me the legality of gas caps: http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/contact.htm Angus says that the cans aren't tested in the sun, but the "system" is certified for permeability after 140 days in an enclosure or after an accelerated 30-day test at 100 degrees F. It seemed to him that gas cap 'should' easily meet those permeability requirements, as long as it's made of similar material. Angus said the cap must hold the ~13 psi above atmospheric Reid Vapor Pressure of California winter formulation gasoline (which has a higher vapor pressure than summer formulations); but that RVP & permeability requirement seems easy enough for a gas cap of the same material as the current spout. In addition, the spout must be spill proof and child proof; but again, those requirements would be met by use of a cap. The only requirement of the spout that the cap can't meet is the auto-shutoff requirement; but if the cap is used just for storage, then that requirement wouldn't be applicable. Interestingly, Angus said there is a provision in the specs for a "secondary opening" (e.g., a vent!); but he said none of the cans certified for California have opted for that secondary opening. Angus said these 5 manufacturers are certified in California: 1. The Plastics Group 2. Scepter 3. Midwest 4. Great Outdoor Products 5. NoSpill Of those manufacturers, the first three have the lions share of sales in California, according to Angus, and the first is the one he thinks who bought the Blitz operation in July of 2012. That explains why I can't get a hold of anyone at Blitz to affirm the threads on the gas can caps. I'll work on The Plastics Group next, to see if they sell just the gas caps. Q: Anyone have a 411 on "The Plastics Group"? |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to befixed
On Tue, 14 May 2013 18:20:55 +0000, Danny D wrote:
That explains why I can't get a hold of anyone at Blitz to affirm the threads on the gas can caps. Apparently Angus was right in that Blitz ceased operations: http://tinyurl.com/d6ebfem http://www.plasticsnews.com/article/...EWS/306139977/ beleaguered-gas-can-manufacturer-blitz-usa-closing-down And, Hopkins Manufacturing technical support was right when they told me they bought everything *but* the gas can manufacturing. Blitz was spending about 3 million dollars a year in lawsuits, mostly for the gas cans not having flame arrestors built in. ---- cut here for verbatim press release --- MIAMI, OKLA. (June 13, 10:15 a.m. ET) €” Plastic fuel-can molder Blitz USA Inc. will shut operations after unsuccessfully trying to reorganize under Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection since Nov. 9, according to a company statement issued June 12. The July 31 shutdown will affect 117 employees at Blitzs manufacturing plant in Miami, Okla. The firm plans to liquidate all assets either en masse or piecemeal, external affairs manager Amanda Emerson said in a telephone interview. €œWe appreciate the support of our employees and their families in their efforts to reorganize and develop a viable business plan,€ said Blitz President Rocky Flick, according to an article in the Joplin (Missouri) Globe. €œUnfortunately, we were not able to address the costs of the increased litigation associated with our fuel-containment products.€ In April, Blitz sold its F3Brands LLC business, a major in oil drains and other associated auto products, in a bankruptcy auction sale to Hopkins Manufacturing Corp. of Emporia, Kan. Court documents stated Blitz netted $14.6 million from the sale, which it applied to secured debt. Blitz has been facing a storm of lawsuits blaming its products for consumer injuries caused by fires. The firm spent some $30 million defending itself in product liability suits and owes $3.5 million in legal fees, Blitz reported in court documents. Blitzs decision to sell its assets is subject to approval by bankruptcy court. It sought Chapter 11 protection in Delaware. Wal-Mart Stores Inc., a major retailer of Blitz gas cans, also faces lawsuits. Blitz has been the dominant producer of plastic gas cans in the United States and claimed 75 percent of the market. €œOther manufacturers face similar uncertainty €” putting the industrys ability to meet the typical spike in demand driven by storms in serious jeopardy,€ Blitz stated in a news release. In the week of June 4 the Portable Fuel Container Manufacturers Association began alerting consumers in hurricane-prone states of a potential product shortage, which increases public safety risk. In times of disaster, consumers rely on portable fuel supplies to operate electricity generators, vehicles, chain saws and other relief equipment. PFCMAs legal office is in Sacramento, Calif. PFCMA has said congressional intervention is needed to stabilize the business environment so PFCMA group members can continue supplying the products necessary for safely transporting and storing gasoline and diesel fuel. €œWhile it is now too late to save Blitz, adoption of mandatory safety standards could convince others to invest in expanded operations,€ the Blitz news release stated. PFCMA has criticized the U.S. Consumer Products Safety Commission for twice refusing to mandate fuel-can safety standards because it claims that harmful incidences were the result of misuse of the fuel cans rather than a product issue. Fuel-can producers have adopted voluntarily standards developed by the American Society for Testing and Materials since the 1980s. The standards include container stability and heat resistance, openings and closings, filling and pouring, drop strength, permeability and cautionary labeling. Labeling, for example, states that gasoline should never be used to start or accelerate a fire. Much litigation resulted from such misuse of the fuel in the containers. U.S. consumers buy more than 15 million portable fuel cans each year, but that number rises by 30 percent when hurricanes make landfall. €œIf gas cans arent available, disaster victims will still be transporting and storing fuel, but at much greater risk to themselves and everyone around them,€ Blitz stated. Blitz President and CEO Rocky Flick said the sale process for the Miami assets could take three months. Other PFCMA members include Midwest Can Co. of Melrose Park, Ill.; No- Spill Inc. of Lenexa, Kan.; Scepter Corp. of Scarborough, Ontario; and the Plastics Group Inc. of Willowbrook, Ill. €œBlitz was very good at what they did,€ said Tom Cray, president of No- Spill. €œThe legal system is what brought them down. Blitz exported around the world and only here [in the United States] were there lawsuits.€ |
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Blitz gasoline cans may be dangerous and explode
I have one of these idiotic gas cans. I hate the damn thing with a
passion, but until I find a replacement older style can at a garage sale or auction, I'm stuck with it. The other night I went to town after dark. I needed some gas for my tractor, and I put about 4 gallons in the 5 gal can, and placed it in the bed of my pickup truck, being sure to tie it to the truck rail so it dont tip over and possibly spill. Gas it too damn expensive to spill these days. I got home late and was damn tired, so I went to sleep without putting the gas can in the shed. The next day was hot and sunny with temps well over 90 deg. Around noon I walked past my truck and noticed the gas can had ballooned out. The can was so bloated it was actually round, and was rocking back and forth from myself leaning against the truck. Only the twine I used to tie it kept it from falling over. I released the lever and a huge amount of gas smelling air came out. Even after allowing all the air to escape, the can was still rounded. I then put the can in the shed. Today the weather was cooler and when I went to get the gas can, it had gone the other way, now it was all sucked inward. Those valves apparently do seal well, maybe too well. I wonder how much longer that can would have held the huge amount of pressure inside of it, sitting in the hot sun, before rupturing. And if I had not tied it, it would have tipped over, because it was only the twine that held it upright. Somehow this does not seem safe. If the temperature had been higher, I'm afraid it would have blown up. There needs to be some sort of pressure relief on them, or KABOOM! So much for government safety! |
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 01:08:11 -0500, repairs wrote:
Somehow this does not seem safe. If the temperature had been higher, I'm afraid it would have blown up. There needs to be some sort of pressure relief on them, or KABOOM! While I agree with you that they blow up like a balloon, which makes them tip over easily, I don't think they'll ever actually explode from the 13 psi above atmospheric vapor pressure inside. If you didn't see it, here's a picture I had posted of my 5-gallon Blitz gasoline can where I took two cans from the shaded shed, and put one in the sun, and the other next to it, in the shade, for ten minutes ... look what happened: http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/13045875.jpg |
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 01:08:11 -0500, wrote in
Re Blitz gasoline cans may be dangerous and explode: I have one of these idiotic gas cans. I hate the damn thing with a passion, but until I find a replacement older style can at a garage sale or auction, I'm stuck with it. The other night I went to town after dark. I needed some gas for my tractor, and I put about 4 gallons in the 5 gal can, and placed it in the bed of my pickup truck, being sure to tie it to the truck rail so it dont tip over and possibly spill. Gas it too damn expensive to spill these days. I got home late and was damn tired, so I went to sleep without putting the gas can in the shed. The next day was hot and sunny with temps well over 90 deg. Around noon I walked past my truck and noticed the gas can had ballooned out. The can was so bloated it was actually round, and was rocking back and forth from myself leaning against the truck. Only the twine I used to tie it kept it from falling over. I released the lever and a huge amount of gas smelling air came out. Even after allowing all the air to escape, the can was still rounded. I then put the can in the shed. Today the weather was cooler and when I went to get the gas can, it had gone the other way, now it was all sucked inward. Those valves apparently do seal well, maybe too well. I wonder how much longer that can would have held the huge amount of pressure inside of it, sitting in the hot sun, before rupturing. And if I had not tied it, it would have tipped over, because it was only the twine that held it upright. Somehow this does not seem safe. If the temperature had been higher, I'm afraid it would have blown up. There needs to be some sort of pressure relief on them, or KABOOM! So much for government safety! The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's publication "AP-42: Compilation of Air Pollution Emission Factors", Chapter 7, Table 7.1-2, publishes the True vapor pressures (in psia) for gasolines having Reid Vapor Pressures of 7. That Table 7.1-2 is at: http://www.epa.gov/ttnchie1/ap42/ch07/final/c07s01.pdf Extracted from the table deg F: 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90 and 100 psi: 7.8, 8.3, 10, 11.5, 13, 13.5 and 15. In your case the temp of the can was probably well over 100F so the internal pressure was well over 15psi. |
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On Thu, 16 May 2013 05:48:11 -0500, CRNG wrote:
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's publication "AP-42: Compilation of Air Pollution Emission Factors", Chapter 7, Table 7.1-2, publishes the True vapor pressures (in psia) for gasolines having Reid Vapor Pressures of 7. Angus, at CARB, told me that the California Winter forumulation had a RVP of 13. Does that mean that California gasoline is more volatile than those having an RVP of 7? |
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On May 16, 10:07*am, "Danny D." wrote:
On Thu, 16 May 2013 05:48:11 -0500, CRNG wrote: The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's publication "AP-42: Compilation of Air Pollution Emission Factors", Chapter 7, Table 7.1-2, publishes the True vapor pressures (in psia) *for gasolines having Reid Vapor Pressures of 7. Angus, at CARB, told me that the California Winter forumulation had a RVP of 13. Does that mean that California gasoline is more volatile than those having an RVP of 7? I use gasoline to clean bearings before repacking. Just a little in a small pan. Much of the gasoline NEVER evaporates. just a one inch deep sluge remains 3 weeks later. i have tried using bearing cleaner without much success....... its a big job getting to them, and i dont want to have to do the job again because all the crud wasnt removed.... |
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On 05/16/2013 01:08 AM, wrote:
I have one of these idiotic gas cans. I hate the damn thing with a passion, The lack of a vent makes flow erratic. I'll be filling my mower, and it has slowed to a trickle. Then along comes a burst, causing gas to spill on the mower. [snip] -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us "And then, one Thursday nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change..." |
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to be fixed
Amen...worst idea ever. I am disabled and have limited arm use. Being able to use this gas can spout is nearly impossible for me. The spout doesn't really work anyway. Tip it up and gas leaks out. It is so cumbersome that I spill gas all over the place. I don't see having to buy an additional spout to be able to use this gas can. I will be returning this overpriced gas can.. My best suggestion is to send emails to Blitz telling them how bad this idea was for consumers.
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The Blitz gasoline can - what went wrong - what needs to be fixed
On 9/15/2017 9:27 AM, DMorgan wrote:
Amen...worst idea ever. I am disabled and have limited arm use. Being able to use this gas can spout is nearly impossible for me. The spout doesn't really work anyway. Tip it up and gas leaks out. It is so cumbersome that I spill gas all over the place. I don't see having to buy an additional spout to be able to use this gas can. I will be returning this overpriced gas can. My best suggestion is to send emails to Blitz telling them how bad this idea was for consumers. Never knew the name of those damned cans and googling it says company is going broke: https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma...t-of-business/ I've said before that when the people in the EPA who mandated them die and go to hell they should have to spend eternity pouring gas on the hell fires from these cans. |
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On 9/15/2017 12:04 PM, Frank wrote:
On 9/15/2017 9:27 AM, DMorgan wrote: Amen...worst idea ever. I am disabled and have limited arm use. Being able to use this gas can spout is nearly impossible for me. The spout doesn't really work anyway. Tip it up and gas leaks out. It is so cumbersome that I spill gas all over the place. I don't see having to buy an additional spout to be able to use this gas can. I will be returning this overpriced gas can. My best suggestion is to send emails to Blitz telling them how bad this idea was for consumers. Never knew the name of those damned cans and googling it says company is going broke: https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma...t-of-business/ I've said before that when the people in the EPA who mandated them die and go to hell they should have to spend eternity pouring gas on the hell fires from these cans. The article claims Blitz is going out of business because they can no longer afford liability insurance. I guess we can blame America's stupid jury panels for awarding enormous settlements. |
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On 2017-09-15, Judge Wapler wrote:
I guess we can blame America's stupid jury panels for awarding enormous settlements. .....or greedy health insurance companies who continue to increase premiums cuz the profits are jes not enough!! nb |
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On 09/15/2017 12:49 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2017-09-15, Judge Wapler wrote: I guess we can blame America's stupid jury panels for awarding enormous settlements. ....or greedy health insurance companies who continue to increase premiums cuz the profits are jes not enough!! nb Look around. See all the obese "eggs with legs" people.Â* See all the "eggs" riding the obesemobiles around Walmart?Â* These ticking fatbombs are just one french fry away from a coronary event. I'm not an insurance company but if I was, I would not want to be forced to insure these fatasses. |
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On 9/15/17 9:39 AM, Judge Wapler wrote:
On 9/15/2017 12:04 PM, Frank wrote: On 9/15/2017 9:27 AM, DMorgan wrote: Amen...worst idea ever. I am disabled and have limited arm use. Being able to use this gas can spout is nearly impossible for me. The spout doesn't really work anyway. Tip it up and gas leaks out. It is so cumbersome that I spill gas all over the place. I don't see having to buy an additional spout to be able to use this gas can. I will be returning this overpriced gas can. My best suggestion is to send emails to Blitz telling them how bad this idea was for consumers. Never knew the name of those damned cans and googling it says company is going broke: https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma...gest-maker-of- portable-gas-cans-is-going-out-of-business/ I've said before that when the people in the EPA who mandated them die and go to hell they should have to spend eternity pouring gas on the hell fires from these cans. The article claims Blitz is going out of business because they can no longer afford liability insurance. I guess we can blame America's stupid jury panels for awarding enormous settlements. yeh, it's a shame that corporations make defective products and have to pay the piper. |
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On 9/16/2017 9:44 PM, ZZyXX wrote:
On 9/15/17 9:39 AM, Judge Wapler wrote: On 9/15/2017 12:04 PM, Frank wrote: On 9/15/2017 9:27 AM, DMorgan wrote: Amen...worst idea ever. I am disabled and have limited arm use. Being able to use this gas can spout is nearly impossible for me. The spout doesn't really work anyway. Tip it up and gas leaks out. It is so cumbersome that I spill gas all over the place. I don't see having to buy an additional spout to be able to use this gas can. I will be returning this overpriced gas can. My best suggestion is to send emails to Blitz telling them how bad this idea was for consumers. Never knew the name of those damned cans and googling it says company is going broke: https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma...gest-maker-of- portable-gas-cans-is-going-out-of-business/ I've said before that when the people in the EPA who mandated them die and go to hell they should have to spend eternity pouring gas on the hell fires from these cans. The article claims Blitz is going out of business because they can no longer afford liability insurance. I guess we can blame America's stupid jury panels for awarding enormous settlements. yeh, it's a shame that corporations make defective products and have to pay the piper. Unfortunately, it is not always a defective products so much as failure to read and follow instructions or using the product for a use not intended. Much too easy to get a big payday for being stupid. |
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On 9/16/2017 9:44 PM, ZZyXX wrote:
On 9/15/17 9:39 AM, Judge Wapler wrote: The article claims Blitz is going out of business because they can no longer afford liability insurance. I guess we can blame America's stupid jury panels for awarding enormous settlements. yeh, it's a shame that corporations make defective products and have to pay the piper. What exactly was defective about the previous versions of gas cans? Why is it the gas can manufacturer's fault when some numbnutz fills the tank on a hot lawnmower engine? Or pours gasoline on a smoldering brush pile? |
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On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 11:05:06 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 9/15/2017 9:27 AM, DMorgan wrote: Amen...worst idea ever. I am disabled and have limited arm use. Being able to use this gas can spout is nearly impossible for me. The spout doesn't really work anyway. Tip it up and gas leaks out. It is so cumbersome that I spill gas all over the place. I don't see having to buy an additional spout to be able to use this gas can. I will be returning this overpriced gas can. My best suggestion is to send emails to Blitz telling them how bad this idea was for consumers. Never knew the name of those damned cans and googling it says company is going broke: https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma...t-of-business/ I've said before that when the people in the EPA who mandated them die and go to hell they should have to spend eternity pouring gas on the hell fires from these cans. A fellow's quest for a gas can that didn't SUCK! ”Œ( à²*_à²*)”˜ http://www.gad.net/Blog/2012/11/22/o...hat-dont-suck/ [8~{} Uncle Gassy Monster |
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