"Soap doesn’t work. Toilets don’t flush. Clothes washers don’t clean. Light
bulbs don’t illuminate. Refrigerators break too soon. Paint discolors.
Lawnmowers have to be hacked. It’s all caused by idiotic government
regulations that are wrecking our lives one consumer product at a time, all
in ways we hardly notice...

"The whole trend began in (wait for it) California. Regulations began in
2000, with the idea of preventing spillage. The notion spread and was picked
up by the EPA, which is always looking for new and innovative ways to spread
as much human misery as possible."

And check the part about "exploding" gas cans!

http://lfb.org/today/how-government-wrecked-the-gas-can/

On 5/10/2013 2:41 PM, HeyBub wrote:
"Soap doesn’t work. Toilets don’t flush. Clothes washers don’t clean. Light
bulbs don’t illuminate. Refrigerators break too soon. Paint discolors.
Lawnmowers have to be hacked. It’s all caused by idiotic government
regulations that are wrecking our lives one consumer product at a time, all
in ways we hardly notice...

"The whole trend began in (wait for it) California. Regulations began in
2000, with the idea of preventing spillage. The notion spread and was picked
up by the EPA, which is always looking for new and innovative ways to spread
as much human misery as possible."

And check the part about "exploding" gas cans!

http://lfb.org/today/how-government-wrecked-the-gas-can/



I just had to buy one of these new POS cans for the lawn mower.
The old one got the seal pinched and torn and leaked. I've never
spilled more gas since these new cans were mandated. Hardware store
owner was roundly cursing the EPA.

I noticed the bulging 5 gallon cans and now I never buy gas for them in
the winter. That is when the proportion of butane in the gas is highest
and winter gas in the summer has more pressure in the can than gas
bought in the summer.

Per Frank:
I just had to buy one of these new POS cans for the lawn mower.
The old one got the seal pinched and torn and leaked. I've never
spilled more gas since these new cans were mandated.

Don't feel like The Lone Ranger.

Mine worked, barely, when new. After a few months, the mechanism
started jamming and I was spilling at least 20 times more gas than I was
before this mess was foisted on me.

Now I'm shopping for a workaround that works.

In the meanwhile, I've resorted to poly milk bottles with an aftermarket
twist-to-close spigot that works pretty well.

If I could find 5-gallon containers that took that spigot, I'd be home
free.
--
Pete Cresswell

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the problem, but it seems to me that a hole drilled into the plastic gas can near where the former vent was located and plugged with a 1/4 inch long #8 sheet metal screw would solve the problem.



I think the real problem is that the people on the EPA committees don't seem to be thinking. With gas costing over $5 per gallon, people make an effort NOT to spill it all over the ground even without the government's efforts to prevent that from happening.

Similarily, I make a consious effort not to drink battery acid. I know it will harm me. The government passing a law making it illegal to sell battery acid as a beverage is a waste of paper.

I don't shoot myself on purpose either, but gun control is already controversial enough, so let's not go there.

"nestork" wrote in message
...

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the problem, but it seems to me that a hole
drilled into the plastic gas can near where the former vent was located
and plugged with a 1/4 inch long #8 sheet metal screw would solve the
problem.


There was a vid on utube about drilling a hole where the old vent plug used
to be and using a tire valve that has the plunger removed. You use the cap
on the tire valve to seal off the gas and remove it when you want to vent
the can to pour the gas out.

I have 3 old style plastic gas cans with out the vent. I can live with
that. The problem for me is a new two gallon can I have for the 2 cycle
stuff. That has some kind of nospill spout that I spill out about as much
as I use. It may work beter if I had a big gas tank on the weedeater, but
that small fil hole on the weedeater tank just does not mate with the gas
can.

I think the ones comming up with the ideas do not have to deal with the
problem. Just how many congressmen mow their yard ?

On 5/10/2013 4:51 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
"nestork" wrote in message
...

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the problem, but it seems to me that a hole
drilled into the plastic gas can near where the former vent was located
and plugged with a 1/4 inch long #8 sheet metal screw would solve the
problem.


There was a vid on utube about drilling a hole where the old vent plug used
to be and using a tire valve that has the plunger removed. You use the cap
on the tire valve to seal off the gas and remove it when you want to vent
the can to pour the gas out.

I have 3 old style plastic gas cans with out the vent. I can live with
that. The problem for me is a new two gallon can I have for the 2 cycle
stuff. That has some kind of nospill spout that I spill out about as much
as I use. It may work beter if I had a big gas tank on the weedeater, but
that small fil hole on the weedeater tank just does not mate with the gas
can.

I think the ones comming up with the ideas do not have to deal with the
problem. Just how many congressmen mow their yard ?





This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcnwdIYEfI

John

In article ,
"Ralph Mowery" wrote:

"nestork" wrote in message
...

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the problem, but it seems to me that a hole
drilled into the plastic gas can near where the former vent was located
and plugged with a 1/4 inch long #8 sheet metal screw would solve the
problem.


I have one of the cans with the vent (it's about 24 years old), but the
cap on the vent has split and I am unable to find a replacement for the
cap. Anyone have a good idea for a substitute?

--
Larry Weil
Lake Wobegone, NH

On Fri, 10 May 2013 16:51:02 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote:

There was a vid on utube about drilling a hole where the old vent plug used
to be and using a tire valve that has the plunger removed. You use the cap
on the tire valve to seal off the gas and remove it when you want to vent
the can to pour the gas out.

Interestingly, you can buy that vent (for water jugs only, wink wink) online,
at the site that Steve W. recommended:
http://ezpourspout.bluesarthouse.ws/...roducts/parts/

They even recommend a 1/2 inch blade-type (wood) drill bit over a spiral
flute drill bit (they say the hole won't be round with a spiral bit).

Once you've added back the missing vent, then you can follow the YouTube
video which shows how to modify the spout to allow the gas to flow again.

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
m...

"nestork" wrote in message
...

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the problem, but it seems to me that a hole
drilled into the plastic gas can near where the former vent was located
and plugged with a 1/4 inch long #8 sheet metal screw would solve the
problem.


There was a vid on utube about drilling a hole where the old vent plug
used to be and using a tire valve that has the plunger removed. You use
the cap on the tire valve to seal off the gas and remove it when you want
to vent the can to pour the gas out.

I have 3 old style plastic gas cans with out the vent. I can live with
that. The problem for me is a new two gallon can I have for the 2 cycle
stuff. That has some kind of nospill spout that I spill out about as much
as I use. It may work beter if I had a big gas tank on the weedeater, but
that small fil hole on the weedeater tank just does not mate with the gas
can.

I think the ones comming up with the ideas do not have to deal with the
problem. Just how many congressmen mow their yard ?




Does anyone sell replacement old style vent caps ?

On May 10, 1:10*pm, nestork wrote:
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the problem, but it seems to me that a hole
drilled into the plastic gas can near where the former vent was located
and plugged with a 1/4 inch long #8 sheet metal screw would solve the
problem.

[image:http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/Photos/Chai...uardScrew.jpg]

I think the real problem is that the people on the EPA committees don't
live in the real world. *With gas costing over $5 per gallon, people
make an effort NOT to spill it all over the ground even without the
government's efforts to prevent that from happening. *Not providing a
vent on a gas can only serves to annoy people. *The high price of gas
serves to prevent spillage more than the lack of a vent on the gas can.

--
nestork

MOst of the problem lies with the spouts. The first ones needed 3
hands to operate. I havn't tried one of the new ones yet. I have
head of a brand "No Spill" that supposedly works reasonably well.

Harry K

On Fri, 10 May 2013 21:12:45 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On May 10, 1:10*pm, nestork wrote:
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the problem, but it seems to me that a hole
drilled into the plastic gas can near where the former vent was located
and plugged with a 1/4 inch long #8 sheet metal screw would solve the
problem.

[image:http://faq.f650.com/FAQs/Photos/Chai...uardScrew.jpg]

I think the real problem is that the people on the EPA committees don't
live in the real world. *With gas costing over $5 per gallon, people
make an effort NOT to spill it all over the ground even without the
government's efforts to prevent that from happening. *Not providing a
vent on a gas can only serves to annoy people. *The high price of gas
serves to prevent spillage more than the lack of a vent on the gas can.

--
nestork

MOst of the problem lies with the spouts. The first ones needed 3
hands to operate. I havn't tried one of the new ones yet. I have
head of a brand "No Spill" that supposedly works reasonably well.

I had a 1gal can that isn't too bad but I lost the plastic "hose" in
the move last year. I just bought a replacement can from HD. It
looks like I'll be spilling half the gas filling my weed whacker.
There is no way to completely plug the thing, either. The "valve" is
a butterfly in the neck that doesn't close completely and the end
cover doesn't double as a tank seal. Like everything Congress does,
it screwed this one up *badly*. Dumb, really dumb.

On Fri, 10 May 2013 21:12:45 -0700, Harry K wrote:

Most of the problem lies with the spouts.

I agree. I don't use the spout except as a "cap", so,
I'm on a quest for a dozen caps to fit.

Ideas welcome ...

On 5/10/2013 3:14 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Frank:
I just had to buy one of these new POS cans for the lawn mower.
The old one got the seal pinched and torn and leaked. I've never
spilled more gas since these new cans were mandated.

Don't feel like The Lone Ranger.

Mine worked, barely, when new. After a few months, the mechanism
started jamming and I was spilling at least 20 times more gas than I was
before this mess was foisted on me.

Now I'm shopping for a workaround that works.

In the meanwhile, I've resorted to poly milk bottles with an aftermarket
twist-to-close spigot that works pretty well.

If I could find 5-gallon containers that took that spigot, I'd be home
free.


Don't use the polyethylene milk bottles. The plastic falls apart after
long exposure to light and even if it didn't it is too thin to be safe.

I regretted throwing away an empty deck stain can. I could have used it
for the limited amount of two cycle gas I use.

Frank wrote:
On 5/10/2013 3:14 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Frank:
I just had to buy one of these new POS cans for the lawn mower.
The old one got the seal pinched and torn and leaked. I've never
spilled more gas since these new cans were mandated.

Don't feel like The Lone Ranger.

Mine worked, barely, when new. After a few months, the mechanism
started jamming and I was spilling at least 20 times more gas than I
was before this mess was foisted on me.

Now I'm shopping for a workaround that works.

In the meanwhile, I've resorted to poly milk bottles with an
aftermarket twist-to-close spigot that works pretty well.

If I could find 5-gallon containers that took that spigot, I'd be
home free.


Don't use the polyethylene milk bottles. The plastic falls apart
after long exposure to light and even if it didn't it is too thin to
be safe.
I regretted throwing away an empty deck stain can. I could have used
it for the limited amount of two cycle gas I use.


Bleach bottle are a different plastic. I'd trust them a lot better than milk
bottles.

I use bleach bottles for settling out the solids in paint thinner so it can be
used again. (For cleaning, not for thinning)

On 5/10/2013 7:52 PM, Bob F wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 5/10/2013 3:14 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Frank:
I just had to buy one of these new POS cans for the lawn mower.
The old one got the seal pinched and torn and leaked. I've never
spilled more gas since these new cans were mandated.

Don't feel like The Lone Ranger.

Mine worked, barely, when new. After a few months, the mechanism
started jamming and I was spilling at least 20 times more gas than I
was before this mess was foisted on me.

Now I'm shopping for a workaround that works.

In the meanwhile, I've resorted to poly milk bottles with an
aftermarket twist-to-close spigot that works pretty well.

If I could find 5-gallon containers that took that spigot, I'd be
home free.


Don't use the polyethylene milk bottles. The plastic falls apart
after long exposure to light and even if it didn't it is too thin to
be safe.
I regretted throwing away an empty deck stain can. I could have used
it for the limited amount of two cycle gas I use.


Bleach bottle are a different plastic. I'd trust them a lot better than milk
bottles.

I use bleach bottles for settling out the solids in paint thinner so it can be
used again. (For cleaning, not for thinning)




Both are polyethylene and subject to the same kind of degradation. A
thicker bottle will hold up longer.

Little gross story, when I was bow hunting I had a thick polyethylene
bottle for urine collection. I'd pack it out rather than smell up the
area. One day up in a tree I looked at it and saw a crack. No way was
I going to put that back in my pack. I tossed it out of the tree and it
shattered like an egg. Would not want this to happen with gasoline.

I prefer to use a container designed for the liquid. This includes not
just the plastic but the stabilizer and other ingredients.

"Frank" wrote in message
...
On 5/10/2013 3:14 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Frank:
I just had to buy one of these new POS cans for the lawn mower.
The old one got the seal pinched and torn and leaked. I've never
spilled more gas since these new cans were mandated.

Don't feel like The Lone Ranger.

Mine worked, barely, when new. After a few months, the mechanism
started jamming and I was spilling at least 20 times more gas than I was
before this mess was foisted on me.

Now I'm shopping for a workaround that works.

In the meanwhile, I've resorted to poly milk bottles with an aftermarket
twist-to-close spigot that works pretty well.

If I could find 5-gallon containers that took that spigot, I'd be home
free.


Don't use the polyethylene milk bottles. The plastic falls apart after
long exposure to light and even if it didn't it is too thin to be safe.

I regretted throwing away an empty deck stain can. I could have used it
for the limited amount of two cycle gas I use.



Keep your eyes peeled for the metal 1-2 quart premix bottles
They are sturdy, close well and are easily refilled

I also bought a 12-pack of one shot premix oil
I refill them from a gallon of premix oil
Automatic measurement of oil

One fire department near me bought a couple
5 gal metal cans of "ethanol free" gasoline. For
the small engines they use in the trade. I told
them of the couple gas stations nearby that
had ethanol free gas, but they didn't seem to
be interested. I'm guessing the gas from the
lawn mower shop in 5 gal tins was more pricey.
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"Attila Iskander" wrote in message ...

Keep your eyes peeled for the metal 1-2 quart premix bottles
They are sturdy, close well and are easily refilled

I also bought a 12-pack of one shot premix oil
I refill them from a gallon of premix oil
Automatic measurement of oil

Per Attila Iskander:
Keep your eyes peeled for the metal 1-2 quart premix bottles
They are sturdy, close well and are easily refilled

This may be an indication that I have more money than common sense, but
I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on one of these:
http://tinyurl.com/c4qffmy and two more if it works out.
--
Pete Cresswell

On 05/10/13 03:14 pm, (PeteCresswell) wrote:

I just had to buy one of these new POS cans for the lawn mower.
The old one got the seal pinched and torn and leaked. I've never
spilled more gas since these new cans were mandated.

Don't feel like The Lone Ranger.

Mine worked, barely, when new. After a few months, the mechanism
started jamming and I was spilling at least 20 times more gas than I was
before this mess was foisted on me.

Now I'm shopping for a workaround that works.

In the meanwhile, I've resorted to poly milk bottles with an aftermarket
twist-to-close spigot that works pretty well.

It was a loong time ago, but I am sure I read that those bottles are
likely to generate static electricity discharge when used with gasoline
-- different kind of plastic from that used for gas cans.

Perce

I use some 5 gallon cans for gas. I tossed away the nozzels, and just
use the lids, with gaskets. and a funnel

On Fri, 10 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

I just had to buy one of these new POS cans for the lawn mower.
The old one got the seal pinched and torn and leaked. I've never
spilled more gas since these new cans were mandated.


It's easy to vent them.
Put a gallon or so of gas in them.
Place the can in a place where there are no flammable materials
Stand about 200 yards away.
Load a 50 caliber rifle
Aim at the can.
Pull the trigger and watch the can explode.
Feel the gratification of revenge against the cocksucker who mandated
them.
Your can is now vented, in fact the whole can is a vent.

Have a friend make a can in his welding shop out of steel.

(For those of you who dont know what steel is, it's a durable natural
material that will last 20 to 50 times longer than plastic, and is much
safer for storing flammable materials, because it dont burn. They once
used it for making gas cans and lots of other things, including cars,
many of which will last for decades, unlike plastic which will be in a
garbage dump in a few years).

On May 11, 11:11*am, wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

I just had to buy one of these new POS cans for the lawn mower.
The old one got the seal pinched and torn and leaked. *I've never
spilled more gas since these new cans were mandated.

It's easy to vent them.
Put a gallon or so of gas in them.
Place the can in a place where there are no flammable materials
Stand about 200 yards away.
Load a 50 caliber rifle
Aim at the can.
Pull the trigger and watch the can explode.
Feel the gratification of revenge against the cocksucker who mandated
them.
Your can is now vented, in fact the whole can is a vent.

Have a friend make a can in his welding shop out of steel.

(For those of you who dont know what steel is, it's a durable natural
material that will last 20 to 50 times longer than plastic, and is much
safer for storing flammable materials, because it dont burn. *They once
used it for making gas cans and lots of other things, including cars,
many of which will last for decades, unlike plastic which will be in a
garbage dump in a few years).

What you want are these perfect, Jerry cans.
(Invented by the Jerrys/Germans during WW2.)
Available on Amazon too.

http://www.screwfix.com/search.do?fh_search=jerry%20can&cm_mmc=Google-_-Car%20and%20Van%20|%20Generic-_-Jerry%20Cans%20-%20BMM-_-%20jerry%20%20can&gclid=CJmKrtHZjrcCFVMbtAodlz4AJA

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Frank:
I just had to buy one of these new POS cans for the lawn mower.
The old one got the seal pinched and torn and leaked. I've never
spilled more gas since these new cans were mandated.

Don't feel like The Lone Ranger.

Mine worked, barely, when new. After a few months, the mechanism
started jamming and I was spilling at least 20 times more gas than I
was before this mess was foisted on me.

Now I'm shopping for a workaround that works.


There's a YouTube video with a clever solution. I'll try to describe it with
only words. You'll need:
1. A tire air intake valve stem (old or used is OK)
2. A 1/2" drill bit
3. A length of fairly strong wire, smaller than a coat-hanger, but not much.
4. Pliers

Steps:
1. Toward the opposite end from the gas tank spout, drill a 1/2" hole.
2. Remove the valve from the valve stem
3. Thread the wire from the spout thru the new hole
4. Thread the other end of the wire thru the valve stem, and then thru the
newly-drilled hole
5. By tugging (hard) on the wire you should, eventually, manage to thread
the valve stem through the 1/2" hole previously drilled.
6. Clip off the wire and remove it via the spout hole.

You can now use the valve-stem cap to open and close your new vent hole.

On May 11, 5:26*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Frank:
I just had to buy one of these new POS cans for the lawn mower.
The old one got the seal pinched and torn and leaked. *I've never
spilled more gas since these new cans were mandated.

Don't feel like The Lone Ranger.

Mine worked, barely, when new. * After a few months, the mechanism
started jamming and I was spilling at least 20 times more gas than I
was before this mess was foisted on me.

Now I'm shopping for a workaround that works.

There's a YouTube video with a clever solution. I'll try to describe it with
only words. You'll need:
1. A tire air intake valve stem (old or used is OK)
2. A 1/2" drill bit
3. A length of fairly strong wire, smaller than a coat-hanger, but not much.
4. Pliers

Steps:
1. Toward the opposite end from the gas tank spout, drill a 1/2" hole.
2. Remove the valve from the valve stem
3. Thread the wire from the spout thru the new hole
4. Thread the other end of the wire thru the valve stem, and then thru the
newly-drilled hole
5. By tugging (hard) on the wire you should, eventually, manage to thread
the valve stem through the 1/2" hole previously drilled.
6. Clip off the wire and remove it via the spout hole.

You can now use the valve-stem cap to open and close your new vent hole.

That just _has_ to be a joke. Small hole, screw, remove screw =
vented, replace screw = non-vented.

Jazuzz the things people dream up!!!

Harry K

On 5/11/2013 8:26 AM, HeyBub wrote:
Steps:
1. Toward the opposite end from the gas tank spout, drill a 1/2" hole.

First, before doing step 1, you might want to pray that the drill motor
sparks don't ignite the fumes from the gas can.

Outdoors, windy day. The fumes won't reach the distance to the drill sparkler.

Watch for Youtubes "honey, hold my beer and watch" about exploding gas can drills.
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"diy savant" wrote in message ...
On 5/11/2013 8:26 AM, HeyBub wrote:
Steps:
1. Toward the opposite end from the gas tank spout, drill a 1/2" hole.

First, before doing step 1, you might want to pray that the drill motor
sparks don't ignite the fumes from the gas can.

Per HeyBub:
"Soap doesn’t work. Toilets don’t flush. Clothes washers don’t clean. Light
bulbs don’t illuminate. Refrigerators break too soon. Paint discolors.
Lawnmowers have to be hacked. It’s all caused by idiotic government
regulations that are wrecking our lives one consumer product at a time, all
in ways we hardly notice...

Personally, I think Rand Paul represents the lunatic fringe... but when
I heard him going on about the toilet valves he gained a little
credibility.

If somebody is getting their water from the Ogalalla (or however you
spell it...) aquifer, that's one thing. Every drop that comes out of
the spigot is *gone*.

But in our area, water comes from rivers. Big, dirty rivers. The
more water I "waste" the more I dilute the sewage stream and the easier
it is to process that stuff before it goes back into the same river.
Wasted energy... maybe. Wasted water, no way.
--
Pete Cresswell

(PeteCresswell) wrote:

But in our area, water comes from rivers. Big, dirty rivers. The
more water I "waste" the more I dilute the sewage stream and the
easier it is to process that stuff before it goes back into the same
river. Wasted energy... maybe. Wasted water, no way.

You can MAKE water by burning hydrogen.

Every other drop of water is USED water, meaning it has already passed thru
something that made use of it for biological purposes.

Just think, every time you take a sip of designer water, you may be imbibing
a molecule that once passed through the body of Julius Caesar.

On 5/11/2013 8:33 AM, HeyBub wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote:

But in our area, water comes from rivers. Big, dirty rivers. The
more water I "waste" the more I dilute the sewage stream and the
easier it is to process that stuff before it goes back into the same
river. Wasted energy... maybe. Wasted water, no way.

You can MAKE water by burning hydrogen.

Every other drop of water is USED water, meaning it has already passed thru
something that made use of it for biological purposes.

Just think, every time you take a sip of designer water, you may be imbibing
a molecule that once passed through the body of Julius Caesar.



Lot of us know about Avogadro's number.

I did speak to a Canadian official once at lunch that told me he would
not to like to have a single atom of chlorine in his glass of water.

On Sat, 11 May 2013 13:47:14 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 5/11/2013 8:33 AM, HeyBub wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote:

But in our area, water comes from rivers. Big, dirty rivers. The
more water I "waste" the more I dilute the sewage stream and the
easier it is to process that stuff before it goes back into the same
river. Wasted energy... maybe. Wasted water, no way.

You can MAKE water by burning hydrogen.

Every other drop of water is USED water, meaning it has already passed thru
something that made use of it for biological purposes.

Just think, every time you take a sip of designer water, you may be imbibing
a molecule that once passed through the body of Julius Caesar.



Lot of us know about Avogadro's number.

I did speak to a Canadian official once at lunch that told me he would
not to like to have a single atom of chlorine in his glass of water.

Could you keep a straight face?

I hope you told him you were a mole, to the twenty third power?

Did you hand him the salt shaker, and encouraged him to use salt, instead of chlorine?
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wrote in message ...

Lot of us know about Avogadro's number.

I did speak to a Canadian official once at lunch that told me he would
not to like to have a single atom of chlorine in his glass of water.

Could you keep a straight face?

On 5/11/2013 2:54 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 May 2013 13:47:14 -0400, Frank
wrote:

On 5/11/2013 8:33 AM, HeyBub wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote:

But in our area, water comes from rivers. Big, dirty rivers. The
more water I "waste" the more I dilute the sewage stream and the
easier it is to process that stuff before it goes back into the same
river. Wasted energy... maybe. Wasted water, no way.

You can MAKE water by burning hydrogen.

Every other drop of water is USED water, meaning it has already passed thru
something that made use of it for biological purposes.

Just think, every time you take a sip of designer water, you may be imbibing
a molecule that once passed through the body of Julius Caesar.



Lot of us know about Avogadro's number.

I did speak to a Canadian official once at lunch that told me he would
not to like to have a single atom of chlorine in his glass of water.

Could you keep a straight face?


Not quite but I did not say anything either. When I hear something so
stupid, I don't try to teach them chemistry as obviously they have zero
back ground knowledge. It was at a big table at a three day conference
in Toronto on Canadian chemical regulations and the only day government
officials came in for lunch with us.

All in all, at the time, a long time ago, I found Canadian regulations
easier to work with than those in the US.

On Fri, 10 May 2013 13:41:21 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

"Soap doesn’t work. Toilets don’t flush. Clothes washers don’t clean. Light
bulbs don’t illuminate. Refrigerators break too soon. Paint discolors.
Lawnmowers have to be hacked. It’s all caused by idiotic government
regulations that are wrecking our lives one consumer product at a time, all
in ways we hardly notice...

"The whole trend began in (wait for it) California. Regulations began in
2000, with the idea of preventing spillage. The notion spread and was picked
up by the EPA, which is always looking for new and innovative ways to spread
as much human misery as possible."

And check the part about "exploding" gas cans!

http://lfb.org/today/how-government-wrecked-the-gas-can/

A fix- pick up old faded gas cans from roadside and yard sales. Find a
WATER SPOUT to fit the can if the cap and/or spout is bad. Problem
solved.
--
Mr.E

On Fri, 10 May 2013 15:21:43 -0400, Mr.E wrote
in Re The government
ruined the gas can...:

A fix- pick up old faded gas cans from roadside and yard sales. Find a
WATER SPOUT to fit the can if the cap and/or spout is bad. Problem
solved.

How about cleaning out plastic 5-qt oil cans and storing gas in them?
Use a funnel to fill.

CRNG wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2013 15:21:43 -0400, Mr.E wrote
in Re The government
ruined the gas can...:

A fix- pick up old faded gas cans from roadside and yard sales. Find a
WATER SPOUT to fit the can if the cap and/or spout is bad. Problem
solved.

How about cleaning out plastic 5-qt oil cans and storing gas in them?
Use a funnel to fill.

That's what I'm doing, no funnel though, just a steady hand.

CRNG wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2013 15:21:43 -0400, Mr.E wrote
in Re The government
ruined the gas can...:

A fix- pick up old faded gas cans from roadside and yard sales. Find a
WATER SPOUT to fit the can if the cap and/or spout is bad. Problem
solved.

How about cleaning out plastic 5-qt oil cans and storing gas in them?
Use a funnel to fill.

I bought one 6 gallon water container last year to store kerosene. Sold
where they sell other containers !!!

Greg

On Fri, 10 May 2013 13:41:21 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote in Re The
government ruined the gas can...:

"Soap doesn’t work. Toilets don’t flush. Clothes washers don’t clean. Light
bulbs don’t illuminate. Refrigerators break too soon. Paint discolors.
Lawnmowers have to be hacked. It’s all caused by idiotic government
regulations that are wrecking our lives one consumer product at a time, all
in ways we hardly notice...

Vote or write-in Libertarian and turn the tide. Vote Repub/Democ and
get more of the same.

CRNG wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2013 13:41:21 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote in Re The
government ruined the gas can...:

"Soap doesn't work. Toilets don't flush. Clothes washers don't
clean. Light bulbs don't illuminate. Refrigerators break too soon.
Paint discolors. Lawnmowers have to be hacked. It's all caused by
idiotic government regulations that are wrecking our lives one
consumer product at a time, all in ways we hardly notice...

Vote or write-in Libertarian and turn the tide. Vote Repub/Democ and
get more of the same.

Before you do, consider:

1. Both the Dems and GOP encourage the idea. It gets the lunatic fringe out
of their respective parties so the normal politicians can get on with their
work unimpeded.

2. The last 3rd party candidate that made a difference was Teddy Roosevelt
running on the "Bull Moose" party in 1912, a century ago. The votes he got
came almost entirely from the Republicans and their nominee, Robert Howard
Taft, thereby guaranteeing the election of Woodrow Wilson. And we know how
that turned out.

Want to change the government? Pick the major party that's CLOSEST to your
inclinations and work from within.

On 5/11/2013 8:39 AM, HeyBub wrote:
CRNG wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2013 13:41:21 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote in Re The
government ruined the gas can...:

"Soap doesn't work. Toilets don't flush. Clothes washers don't
clean. Light bulbs don't illuminate. Refrigerators break too soon.
Paint discolors. Lawnmowers have to be hacked. It's all caused by
idiotic government regulations that are wrecking our lives one
consumer product at a time, all in ways we hardly notice...

Vote or write-in Libertarian and turn the tide. Vote Repub/Democ and
get more of the same.

Before you do, consider:

1. Both the Dems and GOP encourage the idea. It gets the lunatic fringe out
of their respective parties so the normal politicians can get on with their
work unimpeded.

2. The last 3rd party candidate that made a difference was Teddy Roosevelt
running on the "Bull Moose" party in 1912, a century ago. The votes he got
came almost entirely from the Republicans and their nominee, Robert Howard
Taft, thereby guaranteeing the election of Woodrow Wilson. And we know how
that turned out.

Want to change the government? Pick the major party that's CLOSEST to your
inclinations and work from within.



Right. If not for Ross Perot, we would not have had Clinton.

On 5/11/2013 1:50 PM, Frank wrote:
On 5/11/2013 8:39 AM, HeyBub wrote:
[snip]
Want to change the government? Pick the major party that's CLOSEST to
your
inclinations and work from within.


Right. If not for Ross Perot, we would not have had Clinton.


Slick Willy no doubt had his flaws but he did legalize blowjobs.